| IVOD_ID |
169541 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169541 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-21T10:53:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-21T11:05:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/14c66ee36e76b85ca7097c588f2cf8016a23d741002eb060f929c1ba330123fb235d1795ffdf2ae75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:53:12 - 11:05:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於總統府主管（不含中央研究院）收支部分。
【預算提案於5月21日上午10時30分截止收件】
【5月18日、20日及21日三天一次會】） |
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謝謝我們民進黨團的哲大官我們的莊樂雄以及各位先進請兩位秘書長上來請潘秘書長吳秘書長 |
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委員 老闆 稍後有更好嗎很好的 現在最好的時候來 這個我們五位秘書長啊這個自從當了國會秘書長幾乎都沒有來喔幾乎都沒有來 |
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這樣子我先請教吳秘書長對於這次川普到大陸去你們有沒有全程掌握他的一些行蹤他的強化全程掌握有沒有我們是盡量在掌握那也掌握很多相關的訊息他你知不知道他會一離開以後就打電話給高樹昭廟打電話給李在民這個都掌握到吧 |
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這個部分我們是了解的而且他在事前也透過事前有跟你們講嗎?到日本去的時候那相關的訊息你們有掌握到說他要跟我們的治理台灣的領導人講話嗎?有這句話嗎?這個部分是我們事後才看到的事情沒有掌握了 |
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我所了解的 他打掉高市 打掉李三明 你們也沒有掌握 也是事後才知道 可不可以這樣啊 要說要打這個 The man running Taiwan 這個那個人賴清德總統 你們也沒有掌握 事後才知道 你跟我們一樣 看報紙才知道 可不可以這樣 |
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有關於委員說的那個可能跟事實不太一致我們在針對川習會這個部分我們事前有做過很多的這些研析也跟美方保持非常密切的聯絡所以對於很多的這些資訊都有相當的掌握我請教潘秘書長川普總統到現在為止有沒有打電話給那個總統 |
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目前還沒有接到這個訊息因為是他要離開北京上這個時候上飛機空軍離開的時候提過一次昨天晚上又提了一次但我們今天早上就來這裡了所以我現在還沒回府內 |
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請問他要先跟吳秘書長講還是跟你講一定是國安單位先處理國安單位先講以後再轉到你這裡因為這裡面涉及到原所的這個部分有些保密啦或是通現在有一個講法喔他說Running Taiwan現在來講可能是賴總統可能是左院長可能是AIT鼓勵員啦 |
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這三個都有可能啊 是不是這樣喔 你也同意喔不是啦你也同意這樣喔你當然不同意啊 你說就是賴清德啊當然啊你這對喔他應該會問過他們主管台灣事務的人然後了解背景之後再來跟這個台灣我提醒兩位啊領導者來談他如果真的打電話給賴清德這個算不算外交突破請問國安委的吳秘書長 |
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的確在台美的溝通過程當中如果說能夠往上這個層級往上走的話對我們台灣來講是重要的因為過去他打給跟蔡英文親總統那時候他還不是總統對吧現在是兩個都信任總統是外交突破可是我們跟蔡英文的時候他講什麼內容今天我們期待的是華家叔趕快給我們啊 |
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他講的是說 我可能會 可能不會我要跟那個人談 他也不講什麼人就那個人 軟領台灣那個人 治理台灣的人這樣一來的話就 我們就有理由擔心嗎他還要簽AOA Letter of Acceptance 罰駕書就簽不好啊 哪怕卡電話卡電話就表示說 他在簽可能打折扣可能說 欸 抱歉喔 |
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Mr.賴可能我們簽一盤Mr.賴可能我們等到我期中選舉完畢以後我再簽這個可能性有沒有 吳祕書長 |
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有沒有 那你去講那個有關於我們台美之間不管是軍購或者是其他的那個邦交關係的這個議題都要去看這個結構那如果說去看結構的話不管是國務院的發言人或者是國安會的這些相關的人員甚至是盧比歐國務卿還有美國駐中國的大使每一個都出來跟我們講就是對台政策不變仍然是依照台灣沒有 你沒有回答問題啦 |
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我現在覺得 委員說的這個議題對我們來講就是在這個架構裡面的一個意義他會不會 或者是說老李但是前提你不搞台獨我才賣你搞台獨我就不賣我可能這樣嗎委員知道的非常的清楚我是第一個被中國制裁的但是他制裁錯了啦就是我是維持現狀的我們台灣政府現在也是維持現狀的 |
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我們是要維持中華民國現狀所以我們沒有所謂的這個台獨的問題我也能夠很清楚的知道這個所以你不搞台獨了我們就是要捍衛現狀避免現狀被現狀不是台獨現狀不是台獨我們要維持現狀現狀不是台獨那個在中國的定義之下連中華民國都是台獨啦那你就抗議啊 |
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你們在抗議中華民國不是台獨對不對 你要想為什麼一百一十億我們就是要維持現狀來一百一 可是不是這樣講啊來總統的禮拜天下午就說啊就說因為這個現狀是台獨啊 他說的啊來一百一十億可以不打電話為什麼一百四十億美金要打電話 |
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就表示這打折扣啊你如果說他那個卡他就把你簽了Sign要Donald Trump簽了就好啊對不對啊為什麼要打電話這打電話就代表說這樣我們有理由擔心尤其他前面在鋪陳 |
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除了什麼 除了二次要第二次全席會 替他助選在這個之前 我認為他不會簽他會跟他講說 這樣我比較煩死了 我要選舉比較煩死了 或者說你簽一部分這可能性都很高 所以他如果真的打電話給賴信德總統我們要高興 可是以前不用太高興 因為會救水啊 會救水我這樣講我對吧 |
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委員 我們的老同書有兩個啦 您剛剛這個slogan第一個 我們對當然啦 您的議員的委員的這個擔憂我們可以接受 那外界的疑慮大家都應該來討論當然基本上比較沒問題啦 不用擔心啦第二個 您剛剛講說不台獨台賣 這個隨時都會賣 |
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這個我們在大前提這次川習會有三個重點就是對台軍唆使跟台灣談維持現狀那在加拿大不會所以他就沒有給他拒絕給他任何承諾所以代表了他要跟台灣才能談這也是兩兆雙方長期的40幾年來幾十年來的默契所以那在中國的定義裡面你不支持統一你就是台獨啦 |
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這個東西你可以不統不獨啦 不統不獨維持現狀也可以啦不支持統一就是他的態度沒得獨立啦 沒得獨立啦我們不同意啦 這個叫做求統存義 擱置爭議不是這樣 他說你不支持統一就是獨立 |
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我們現在捍衛現狀也是台灣所有的人在捍衛捍衛真的啦中華民國從1912年的中華民國你不能把它斷頭式的中華民國啦我們捍衛現狀是誰在破壞現狀我想大家都很清楚最後一個小問題 |
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他上網兩次說我們是炒辣的我們是小偷的你們都沒發聲啊然後現在川習會來第二個我提問雖然我時間到了但是謝謝主席喔讓我稍微拖一下第二個問題就是 |
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川習會之後大家看得很清楚是美中兩大強權共管台灣我們當事人都沒話說你們也要看一看 我在這裡你們也要問我一個意見 我要說一下我沒有說話 怎麼他們兩個人就這樣決定我們要怎麼樣 那到底是怎麼樣我們又主權獨立我大聲的說我最氣憤 常務五二零賴總統說我很大聲 |
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對不對 台灣講了幾十次 有人說六十幾次 有人說五十次我都算了啦 總共就五十一次啦啊中華民國講一次 中華民國台灣講一次還兩次啊這個東西都沒關係 因為法語就好 我這麼大聲結果 當 當 世界都定調都看到是 美 中 共 管 台灣 咱都點點 叫做可憐 |
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就是扣人 拜託你們兩位跟你們老闆講一下非常謝謝賴委員有關於第一個問題在前年Halifax Security Conference在台灣第一次召開的時候我受邀去那邊致詞 去那邊講話 |
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那當時也有人問我有關於說我們台灣是不是偷了美國的晶片我說得非常的清楚而且都還有公開的記錄就是說我們台灣是誠實的生意人我們不偷不搶我們做我們這種科技的研發 |
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會偷會搶的會偷會搶的友情人這個第一個問題第二個問題有關於共管的問題其實所有第一島鏈以及美國澳洲等等的大家都知道說 |
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發生問題的 製造問題的 製造困擾的要改變現狀的是中國所以大家要團結起來去共管中國所可能造成的風險好 謝謝委員 |
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沒有啦 我是在跟你提醒啦現在傳習會以後就他們兩大神仙共管我們台灣怎麼都點點 這是這樣要發生來 那個小偷的事情 拜過國安會這個預算局支持你 去砍部座啦New York Times 或是 Washington Post 去看記錄都還在記錄上面對 最近他應該每講一次你就等一次 |
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沒講一次要等你吃 這個錢絕對支持這個預算絕對支持 他沒講一次要等你吃那不能承諾 來來來 承諾一下承諾一下 他沒講一次就說爛慘啦他就等你吃他聽到就說預算都沒給你支持不是不是 你要承諾我啊說他只要講一次我就等你吃 |
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非常謝謝委員支持共同大會的預算那我剛剛已經說了我之前所說的都在記錄上面好 謝謝賴世寶委員的詢答我給你三倍時間有三個原因你知道嗎第一 你老朋友顧不緊張第二 你預算要積極第三個 今天你質詢最大的賣點 |