| IVOD_ID |
169531 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169531 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-21T10:47:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-21T10:57:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:05 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/14c66ee36e76b85c3fadb7adbff8e4e5651838911ad4210bf929c1ba330123fbd60c73881cc9b1c65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:47:02 - 10:57:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院單位預算案。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院科學研究基金附屬單位預算案。
【進行詢答及處理；預算提案請於5月15日中午12時前提出】【5月18日、20日及21日 三天一次會】） |
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主席好 麻煩請那個中原院院長好 有請廖院長 |
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但院長之前我可不可以程序發言一下我覺得以前我們教文委員會在吳士耀委員來之前好像都不會發生這樣的事情羅志強委員質詢官員要講什麼內容是羅志強委員他的自由吧 |
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那下面的人可以在那邊說時間超時不是讓你來侮辱官員他可以在下面講話那以後吳思耀在講話的時候我就可以在下面講話我就說哎呀你在那邊質詢不是在那邊護航啦在那邊歌功頌德啦在那邊講自己好啊那我們的質詢沒有意義嘛每一個人幾分鐘要尊重質詢者啊跟 |
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葉委員回應因為在吳佩奕委員之前我們有宣告等一下主席會嚴格把關時間也請大家自我指控因為我們要接續預算我覺得我尊重主席的裁量我也尊重主席的判準都OK但不是說大家在那邊質詢然後在下面干擾 |
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那我覺得大家質詢就會沒有辦法很專心認真的去跟官員做對談嘛這是尊重我們教文委員會每個委員的職權嘛是不是那我們就開始計時了嗎可以可以 謝謝 |
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院長那個今天 院長好 因為我看到就是大概6月21號就有新的院長上院了雖然說中研院來我們教文的跟別的部會比起來頻率比較不高啦相對比較不高但是在很少就是比較少數跟院長接觸的過程當中覺得院長是一個非常讓人家很崇敬的學者講話很實在然後對然後也在學術上也都很有成就那我今天看 |
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中研院的報告裡面其實看了一句話我自己覺得非常的認同就是中研院做研究其實重點還是要跟社會接軌要把研究這個事情怎麼去解決社會的問題那中研院現在有三件事情看起來是主要的研究的重點要去解決社會問題有三個 量子電腦 淨零碳排跟AI這是在你們報告裡面寫的沒錯吧 |
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我想先來問一下淨零碳排因為我們其實很久以前就已經很擔心說會缺電 |
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最近有一個新聞是說前經濟部長王美花其實在2018年那時候台積電就跟經濟部長說要申請先進製程的廠的時候就已經提到2奈米的計畫甚至連1奈米的計畫都已經提出來在2018年的時候換言之當時其實我們的政府就已經知道未來的用電需求量會非常大你看2018年就已經提出那麼多的擴廠計畫 |
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那我不曉得啦院長您是這個2018年那時候還沒有當院長嗎 |
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應該還沒2026-10應該是20162016已經當院長了已經當院長對那你看喔2018年經濟部長就已經得知就是台積電未來會有很多的擴廠計畫可見用電非常需求是的那我不懂為什麼在過去幾年我們的政府好像對於用電這件事情是不是很重視 |
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包括我們在野黨很緊張啊想說那是不是你看其他各國都已經開始用核電了我們應該要放寬核電廠研議的這個標準讓核電廠可以順利研議所以法規鬆綁讓政府可以思考重啟可以多眼彈性但是在2025年我們在教育委員會修核管法的時候 |
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那個時候只是把核電廠研議的法規鬆綁我們就被執政黨亂罵說我們有的委員執政黨的委員還說我們是要幫中共公台開後門啊然後動不動在那邊扯說那核廢料放誰家核廢料放誰家就是很不理性的討論這件事情現在 |
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沒想到賴總統很理性喔賴總統說感謝在野黨支持核管法所以現在核二核三至少核三現在已經送了再運轉計畫就要朝這個研議的方向去前進所以核電看起來是有重啟的機會請問一下這個院長我覺得我們大家務實在講這個事情您的評估是說大概2050年可能會用到5000億度嘛 |
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那如果AI或半導體這些需求更大的話呢它很有可能會到6000億度那我們現在一年大概是2800億度換言之2050年 今年是2026年25年後我們的發電量要倍增啊那我們可以往前推嘛我們往前推 請問一下2000年就是我們往前推25年2001年那時候的發電量跟現在發電量有到倍增嗎沒有吧 |
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如果沒有的話我們有什麼信心是2025年到2050年我們的發電量要倍增 |
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我们需要倍增的原因最主要是要把现在不是用电的能源直接燃烧那个能源要把它变成用电为什么因为用电比较干净也比较好控管排碳假如我们不在意这件事情我们电是不需要成长那么多只需要应付比如说AI跟晶片的成长这样就可以了 |
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所以我們為什麼要急速變成這個電要成長這麼多呢是因為我們要把現在直接燒煤燒這個油的這一部分變成用電那這個就很多對 當然那當然那假如我們不在乎就不會那麼多你說不在乎什麼不在乎這個排碳的話那當然我們是希望說大家要很在乎排碳 |
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不是 院長 你的一個目標叫淨零碳排嘛所以當然是要把那個碳考量進來嘛對嘛 所以把碳考量進來的時候就是六千億度嘛 或五千億度到六千億度嘛對 五千億 對 沒錯對 沒有錯嘛 那我現在的問題我其實問得很精確啦 好不好是說 現在到底 以你的研究 |
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因為也是要跟社會接軌嘛有沒有信心到了2050年我們發電可以到5000億度到6000億度等於是倍增啊沒有信心那怎麼辦那勢必會影響到產業的發展啊 |
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全世界共同面對的問題不只是台灣我跟各位跟委員稍微解釋一下大家都定這個2050定一個很高遠的目標但是都期待說在這過程當中我們會有一些突破性的發展 |
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那這些發展大家引頸期盼但是還沒有發生所以現在問說將來這個店怎麼來這本是乾淨的店怎麼來確實是全世界都不知道說怎麼辦除了有幾個大家說有幾個方向是一定要走的那這個是大家有一些共識但是不是可以走這麼快走這麼遠那這個 |
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大家這個信心是確實是有點缺乏所以現在就兩個可能嘛第一個可能就是2050年我們真的非常努力或者是新科技的研發讓我們的發電量到了五千億到六千億不是一種可能乾淨的電我知道第二種可能就是我們為了要滿足工業的用電或各種的用電但是沒有辦法達到就可能沒有辦法達到淨零碳排所以這兩個 |
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目標如果都要達到目前為止以中研院的研究看起來是比較沒有信心的是很困難那我再問一下因為現在包括像台積電包括很多大的公司他們其實都已經說他們的電都是要用綠電就是不用碳排的 |
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可見就是綠電的需求量會越來越大是的那我們現在以台灣來講我們發展的綠電在幾年內有可能會滿足到所有企業發展嗎也是非常困難也是非常困難所以現在我們希望做的是做低碳電低碳電第二當然是我們要大力發展那除了第二之外我們也推出這個高效太陽能板 |
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這是我們這個關鍵議題研究中心太陽能團隊製作的我們自研自製自發的這個高效太陽能板它的效率達到接近30%這比目前市售的要高所以我們從各方向齊頭並進來努力那這個什麼時候可以商品化 |
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請問關鍵中心我們已經跟一些產業界已經形成研發聯盟您來講一下我是關鍵中心主任那太陽能的研發目前已經跟國內幾家很有名的大廠正在談合作那麼因為院長拿出來這個是已經是模組化但是目前要大量生產這個一定要業界的幫忙我們在實驗室是沒辦法做的可是從業界給我們的反應因為那個主席已經站起來了 |
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講個大概的時程啦時程因為我跟你講大家其實會擔心嘛產業界也會擔心嘛那當然如果中研院有好的研發成果然後可以幫助解決問題很棒嘛那但是總是要講一個時程不能說這東西等到OOE研發出來那量產方可能要十年後不可能對不對所以你要講一個大概的日期嘛我們希望在一兩年內一兩年內就可以有商品出來是好 謝謝好 謝謝葉園居委員的資訊 |