| IVOD_ID |
169528 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169528 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-21T10:32:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-21T10:46:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/14c66ee36e76b85c9be3c342dc0243df651838911ad4210bf929c1ba330123fb3eca6ea80bfd1def5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:32:26 - 10:46:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院單位預算案。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院科學研究基金附屬單位預算案。
【進行詢答及處理；預算提案請於5月15日中午12時前提出】【5月18日、20日及21日 三天一次會】） |
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有請廖院長好 有請廖院長羅委員好院長好 我首先想請教您一下您這本施政計畫報告上面印的中央研究院五個字是誰的字體 什麼時候開始使用的 |
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假如我沒記錯應該很早以前就使用那可能是這個我們的蔡元培院長的這個墨寶是這是1928年民國17年中央研究院成立的時候首任院長蔡元培的原始手稿體已經有近百年的歷史 |
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那過去中研院也一直用我們蔡元培院長的字作為標準字那就算是1997年李遠哲院長任內設計出新的院徽院徽上也使用了蔡元培院長的字 |
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那我想請教一下我們現在看到我們的中研院在2022年新增一組電腦制的標準字體拿作為新字體的院徽我想請教一下請問院長你知道你們2022年的這個標準字你們花了多少錢嗎我請業務單位來回答這個詳細的問題 |
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秘書處處長 委員好 這個標案花了一百零四萬來 院長 請你過來一下這兩個差別在哪裡有點遠來 我拿過去給您看 時間暫停 |
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來 院長院長眼力很好就只有字體不一樣原來的右邊的是蔡元培首任院長的墨寶後面改成 |
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電腦製 中央研究院然後當然底下英文字體也不一樣啦那院長 剛剛請問花了多少錢 收了多少錢對 110萬波跟委員報告一下因為這主要是因為現在年輕世代他們所使用的網路平台對於視覺效果的這個期待你是處長是不是對 秘書處處長你不要當大家是笨蛋啦是真的不要當大家是笨蛋啦 |
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基本上中央研究院蔡元培院長的墨寶用了一百年到現在也沒有脫節啦電腦字也不會有任何的問題要在電腦上去秀出來沒有任何問題連你今天施政報告也沒改啦你的名片也沒改啦 對不對沒有 因為我們基本上就是有兩個不一樣的這個因為一個當然就是如你所說這是一個比較維護我們人文傳統好啦 謝謝你啦然後另外一個 |
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就是這兩個事實上我們都放在沒關係讓社會公判啦我們請院長上來啦他也講不出所以然來嘛院長抱歉齁今天我們可以看到我們的親愛的我們的政府啊國家錢一百零四萬是小數字嗎請問院長大小是相對的不過每分錢都是很重要的我告訴院長啦 |
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台電、中郵前面才發生聶永珍96萬去改個字被社會輿論踏法我不希望中研院今天遇到類似的狀況當然你的得標不是聶永珍啦你的得標是什麼 優勢另外一家廠商我還是拿這一張圖給所有人公判一下大家去看啊 |
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國家錢啊 104萬啊非常有歷史意義的蔡元培院長的字蔡元培院長的字那改到旁邊的字 104萬那現在抱歉啊 你們這新的標準字弄了以後你們還是回頭用蔡元培院長的字啊那這些錢到底花了十億在哪裡我要回頭跟院長說一件事啊 |
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為什麼這個事情我覺得要把它拿出來嚴肅的討論今天台電96.8萬把所謂的余祐任的字改成念永禎的電腦字一百萬就沒了可是以台電來說當時余祐任你知道他寫這個字的報酬是多少嗎你知道嗎 院長你知道嗎 |
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這個當然不可能知道你當然不可能知道 因為你不會知道 我不會怪你啦因為不是你的夜館啦他的報酬兩顆大西瓜啦台電送他兩顆大西瓜啦他當場切下來跟大家分享啦這就是余祐任啊 某大書法家他跟台電寫的 台電的字的報酬啊 兩顆大西瓜 |
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然後呢 蔡元培是首任中研院院長你今天台電余佑仁他是請余佑仁來寫字蔡元培是首任的中研院院長那當然我還是要肯定你啦兩套並行嘛 對不對 其實兩套並行可不可以容我們解釋一下來 請說 |
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因為這兩套並行的原因就業務單位跟我解釋是因為很多狀況之下這個書法字體印小會變得很模糊就沒有辦法呈現所以在很多不同的這個這個應用他必須要用我很尊敬你啦我很尊敬我真的很尊敬你啦可是這事你不需要被業務單位去那邊拗啦 |
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我今天還是拿那個給你看這個我告訴你你今天真的說什麼出法字體你有些應用上不便你也不要告訴我104萬就改個字體這104萬據我了解不是改字體而已是整個視覺視覺形象的設計院長我要拜託你啦 |
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這委員我也要拜託你讓我們時間來來來沒關係院長你要這樣講讓大家公判嘛整個形象的設計非常好啊你剛剛自己都看到只有字體變了啊沒有這個是整個形象識別體系所以我們現在到譬如說眾院到所有的這個鄉鎮的這個演講我們去推廣我們的科普活動好沒關係你要這樣凹我讓你凹來下來下來過來再來沒有再來啊再來啊再來啊 |
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不是,我請院長上來我請院長上來,來沒關係讓大家公判啦,一百零四萬我還是要回頭說一件事情啦不管從台電到今天中原院,我不客氣的講實際上 |
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必要性在哪裡很簡單嘛現在電腦印刷數位化今天印刷書法體早就不是問題了在電腦上呈現一點問題都沒有我也不會相信有人會看不懂蔡元培的字唯一的原因只有一個跟今天台電 |
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用聶永禎的電腦字去改與幼嫩字一樣啊他就是想辦法切斷歷史嘛完全不是這個就完全不是事實謝謝你啦這個完全不是事實你沒有完全切斷是我肯定你的地方因為你上面還是在啊這個委員當初這個業務單位做這個主要是真的是整個視覺形象讓社會公判啦讓社會公判來下來我再請教你下一個問題 |
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大學全世界的機構都不斷在精進在改良他們的世界是啦 把年歷史切掉就要精進改良我謝謝你啦不是 我們不是把百年歷史切掉我們沒有這個意思 院長沒關係我請到下一題讓社會公判好 謝謝讓社會公判一百零四萬值不值得讓社會公判也不是你說的算也不是我說的算是的今天是院長上任第十年啊對不對你一個月後六月二十號要卸任嘛對不對 任滿嘛是的院長我這十年我是肯定你啊 |
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這真心話我肯定你至少你在學術上我覺得基本上是維持中立的那我想請教我們剛剛提到的蔡元培首任院長還有過去歷任的中研院長都有一個相近的特點你知道是什麼嗎 |
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我想都是實事求是 不畏權勢 勇於發言對事實做勇敢的陳述這是我們共同的信念對 非常好這中研院的傳統 不用四個字來講 不畏當道是的對 非常好是的 |
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首任蔡元培院長為了確保學術獨立他刻意選擇在哪裡召開中研院的第一次院務會議你知道嗎他在上海召開他不在當時國民政府所在地的南京召開當時他的意思很簡單我要遠離政治表達學術機構自主運作的決心 |
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蔣中正總統想把中研院轉立考試院轄下第二任院長朱家華強力反對不惜以辭職以示抗議而蔣總統在出席中研院院士會議時批判了五四新文化運動你知道第三任的院長胡適對他說什麼嗎蔣總統你錯了答對了委員你也不對 |
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我們今天講的你來這裡不需要反駁我啦你也是當導你也是對我們來講你是立法院是中研院最大的一個權威院長我到底不對在哪裡我請你來救教一下我不對在哪裡您剛才說我們為了要切斷歷史所以改變院會這件事情是不對的我們沒有做這件事情那我去說讓社會公判啦我們沒有做這件事情我們是要把我們的視覺系統做一個優化我說過讓社會公判了我現在講 |
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不怕得罪當道這句話我哪裡說錯啦沒錯 謝謝你嘛 謝謝你肯定沒錯嘛我肯定你十年學術獨立我也沒說你害怕當道有嗎沒有沒有嘛 那我到底錯在哪裡我沒有說 我說您對我們怨恢這件事情的你不能回到前一題去啦我現在問你是第二題啦好 第二題沒有錯第一題說我們對怨恢的說過了你的怨恢一百零四萬值不值得不是我羅志強評價的嘛 |
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中研院作為國家的單位 對不對 你拿的是政府的錢人民來公判 合理吧院長 合不合理啊人民公判 但是要基於事實的陳述基於合理的道理你要一直倒帶 我真的也沒辦法啦你要一直倒帶 我也真的沒辦法啦就讓大家來看看這兩個院會到底行不行 114萬嘛沒關係 來 我把話講完 |
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好 謝謝您啦 謝謝您啦你剛剛也有玉石啦 不要裝了啦要算時間啦 吳司堯你在司法委員會玉石20分鐘都有啦 好不好雙標王 吳司堯 夠了沒夠了沒有啊通通前面都有玉石 不要告訴我 不要告訴我 |
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你干好私询干什么 时间暂停啊可不可以停下来啊 你要吵去吵下去啊刚刚关两分钟就跟你在对啊你如果没有玉石你叫我不用玉石没关系你有玉石你就不要在那边跟我说来 没关系啊好 我们再一分钟来 少来主席我看一眼 他干了我发言啊没关系 刚才应该来 我继续我把它讲完 谢谢好 讲完我讲的不是您啦 |
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我今天要講的是什麼?我們新任院長他跟不具當道沒有關係他就是當道他就是當道1997年台大調任國科會生物處處長開始就在學術界跟官場上頻繁輪調中研院副院長選上總統副總統卸任回來當中研院特聘研究員然後49萬高薪再借調去當行政院院長現在回來當中研院院長 |
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我是不知道中研院什麼時候變成是今天官學兩棲的廚房沒有關係嘛 一樣讓社會公判想進就進 想出就出啊我回頭還是要說一件事情今天在這裡我並沒有否定院長你這十年來的表現我即便拿院會的事情來說也是善意的提醒國家公帑基本上怎麼運用要看看人民的想法 |
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所以我还是祝福院长今天你圆满卸任希望你接下来能够继续为国家有更多的奉献谢谢你谢谢委员谢谢罗志强委员的质询也请院长回座 |