| IVOD_ID |
169528 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169528 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-21T10:32:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-21T10:46:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/14c66ee36e76b85c9be3c342dc0243df651838911ad4210bf929c1ba330123fb3eca6ea80bfd1def5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:32:26 - 10:46:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院單位預算案。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院科學研究基金附屬單位預算案。
【進行詢答及處理；預算提案請於5月15日中午12時前提出】【5月18日、20日及21日 三天一次會】） |
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有請廖院長好 有請廖院長羅委員好院長好 我首先想請教您一下您這本施政計畫報告上面印的中央研究院五個字是誰的字體 什麼時候開始使用的 |
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假如我沒記錯應該很早以前就使用那可能是這個我們的蔡元培院長的這個墨寶是這是1928年民國17年中央研究院成立的時候首任院長蔡元培的原始手稿體已經有近百年的歷史 |
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那過去中研院也一直用我們蔡元培院長的字作為標準字那就算是1997年李遠哲院長任內設計出新的院徽院徽上也使用了蔡元培院長的字 |
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那我想請教一下我們現在看到我們的中研院在2022年新增一組電腦制的標準字體拿作為新字體的院徽我想請教一下請問院長你知道你們2022年的這個標準字你們花了多少錢嗎我請業務單位來回答這個詳細的問題 |
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秘書處處長 委員好 這個標案花了一百零四萬來 院長 請你過來一下這兩個差別在哪裡有點遠來 我拿過去給您看 時間暫停 |
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來 院長院長眼力很好就只有字體不一樣原來的右邊的是蔡元培首任院長的墨寶後面改成 |
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電腦製 中央研究院然後當然底下英文字體也不一樣啦那院長 剛剛請問花了多少錢 收了多少錢對 110萬波跟委員報告一下因為這主要是因為現在年輕世代他們所使用的網路平台對於視覺效果的這個期待你是處長是不是對 秘書處處長你不要當大家是笨蛋啦是真的不要當大家是笨蛋啦 |
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基本上中央研究院蔡元培院長的墨寶用了一百年到現在也沒有脫節啦電腦字也不會有任何的問題要在電腦上去秀出來沒有任何問題連你今天施政報告也沒改啦你的名片也沒改啦 對不對沒有 因為我們基本上就是有兩個不一樣的這個因為一個當然就是如你所說這是一個比較維護我們人文傳統好啦 謝謝你啦然後另外一個 |
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就是這兩個事實上我們都放在沒關係讓社會公判啦我們請院長上來啦他也講不出所以然來嘛院長抱歉齁今天我們可以看到我們的親愛的我們的政府啊國家錢一百零四萬是小數字嗎請問院長大小是相對的不過每分錢都是很重要的我告訴院長啦 |
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台電、中郵前面才發生聶永珍96萬去改個字被社會輿論踏法我不希望中研院今天遇到類似的狀況當然你的得標不是聶永珍啦你的得標是什麼 優勢另外一家廠商我還是拿這一張圖給所有人公判一下大家去看啊 |
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國家錢啊 104萬啊非常有歷史意義的蔡元培院長的字蔡元培院長的字那改到旁邊的字 104萬那現在抱歉啊 你們這新的標準字弄了以後你們還是回頭用蔡元培院長的字啊那這些錢到底花了十億在哪裡我要回頭跟院長說一件事啊 |
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為什麼這個事情我覺得要把它拿出來嚴肅的討論今天台電96.8萬把所謂的余祐任的字改成念永禎的電腦字一百萬就沒了可是以台電來說當時余祐任你知道他寫這個字的報酬是多少嗎你知道嗎 院長你知道嗎 |
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這個當然不可能知道你當然不可能知道 因為你不會知道 我不會怪你啦因為不是你的夜館啦他的報酬兩顆大西瓜啦台電送他兩顆大西瓜啦他當場切下來跟大家分享啦這就是余祐任啊 某大書法家他跟台電寫的 台電的字的報酬啊 兩顆大西瓜 |
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然後呢 蔡元培是首任中研院院長你今天台電余佑仁他是請余佑仁來寫字蔡元培是首任的中研院院長那當然我還是要肯定你啦兩套並行嘛 對不對 其實兩套並行可不可以容我們解釋一下來 請說 |
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因為這兩套並行的原因就業務單位跟我解釋是因為很多狀況之下這個書法字體印小會變得很模糊就沒有辦法呈現所以在很多不同的這個這個應用他必須要用我很尊敬你啦我很尊敬我真的很尊敬你啦可是這事你不需要被業務單位去那邊拗啦 |
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我今天還是拿那個給你看這個我告訴你你今天真的說什麼出法字體你有些應用上不便你也不要告訴我104萬就改個字體這104萬據我了解不是改字體而已是整個視覺視覺形象的設計院長我要拜託你啦 |
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這委員我也要拜託你讓我們時間來來來沒關係院長你要這樣講讓大家公判嘛整個形象的設計非常好啊你剛剛自己都看到只有字體變了啊沒有這個是整個形象識別體系所以我們現在到譬如說眾院到所有的這個鄉鎮的這個演講我們去推廣我們的科普活動好沒關係你要這樣凹我讓你凹來下來下來過來再來沒有再來啊再來啊再來啊 |
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不是,我請院長上來我請院長上來,來沒關係讓大家公判啦,一百零四萬我還是要回頭說一件事情啦不管從台電到今天中原院,我不客氣的講實際上 |
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必要性在哪裡很簡單嘛現在電腦印刷數位化今天印刷書法體早就不是問題了在電腦上呈現一點問題都沒有我也不會相信有人會看不懂蔡元培的字唯一的原因只有一個跟今天台電 |
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用聶永禎的電腦字去改與幼嫩字一樣啊他就是想辦法切斷歷史嘛完全不是這個就完全不是事實謝謝你啦這個完全不是事實你沒有完全切斷是我肯定你的地方因為你上面還是在啊這個委員當初這個業務單位做這個主要是真的是整個視覺形象讓社會公判啦讓社會公判來下來我再請教你下一個問題 |
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大學全世界的機構都不斷在精進在改良他們的世界是啦 把年歷史切掉就要精進改良我謝謝你啦不是 我們不是把百年歷史切掉我們沒有這個意思 院長沒關係我請到下一題讓社會公判好 謝謝讓社會公判一百零四萬值不值得讓社會公判也不是你說的算也不是我說的算是的今天是院長上任第十年啊對不對你一個月後六月二十號要卸任嘛對不對 任滿嘛是的院長我這十年我是肯定你啊 |
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這真心話我肯定你至少你在學術上我覺得基本上是維持中立的那我想請教我們剛剛提到的蔡元培首任院長還有過去歷任的中研院長都有一個相近的特點你知道是什麼嗎 |
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我想都是實事求是 不畏權勢 勇於發言對事實做勇敢的陳述這是我們共同的信念對 非常好這中研院的傳統 不用四個字來講 不畏當道是的對 非常好是的 |
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首任蔡元培院長為了確保學術獨立他刻意選擇在哪裡召開中研院的第一次院務會議你知道嗎他在上海召開他不在當時國民政府所在地的南京召開當時他的意思很簡單我要遠離政治表達學術機構自主運作的決心 |
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蔣中正總統想把中研院轉立考試院轄下第二任院長朱家華強力反對不惜以辭職以示抗議而蔣總統在出席中研院院士會議時批判了五四新文化運動你知道第三任的院長胡適對他說什麼嗎蔣總統你錯了答對了委員你也不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
636.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
664.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
我們今天講的你來這裡不需要反駁我啦你也是當導你也是對我們來講你是立法院是中研院最大的一個權威院長我到底不對在哪裡我請你來救教一下我不對在哪裡您剛才說我們為了要切斷歷史所以改變院會這件事情是不對的我們沒有做這件事情那我去說讓社會公判啦我們沒有做這件事情我們是要把我們的視覺系統做一個優化我說過讓社會公判了我現在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
665.709 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
690.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
不怕得罪當道這句話我哪裡說錯啦沒錯 謝謝你嘛 謝謝你肯定沒錯嘛我肯定你十年學術獨立我也沒說你害怕當道有嗎沒有沒有嘛 那我到底錯在哪裡我沒有說 我說您對我們怨恢這件事情的你不能回到前一題去啦我現在問你是第二題啦好 第二題沒有錯第一題說我們對怨恢的說過了你的怨恢一百零四萬值不值得不是我羅志強評價的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
692.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
716.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
中研院作為國家的單位 對不對 你拿的是政府的錢人民來公判 合理吧院長 合不合理啊人民公判 但是要基於事實的陳述基於合理的道理你要一直倒帶 我真的也沒辦法啦你要一直倒帶 我也真的沒辦法啦就讓大家來看看這兩個院會到底行不行 114萬嘛沒關係 來 我把話講完 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
724.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
745.947 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
好 謝謝您啦 謝謝您啦你剛剛也有玉石啦 不要裝了啦要算時間啦 吳司堯你在司法委員會玉石20分鐘都有啦 好不好雙標王 吳司堯 夠了沒夠了沒有啊通通前面都有玉石 不要告訴我 不要告訴我 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
747.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
776.256 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
你干好私询干什么 时间暂停啊可不可以停下来啊 你要吵去吵下去啊刚刚关两分钟就跟你在对啊你如果没有玉石你叫我不用玉石没关系你有玉石你就不要在那边跟我说来 没关系啊好 我们再一分钟来 少来主席我看一眼 他干了我发言啊没关系 刚才应该来 我继续我把它讲完 谢谢好 讲完我讲的不是您啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
777.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
806.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
我今天要講的是什麼?我們新任院長他跟不具當道沒有關係他就是當道他就是當道1997年台大調任國科會生物處處長開始就在學術界跟官場上頻繁輪調中研院副院長選上總統副總統卸任回來當中研院特聘研究員然後49萬高薪再借調去當行政院院長現在回來當中研院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
807.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
835.658 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
我是不知道中研院什麼時候變成是今天官學兩棲的廚房沒有關係嘛 一樣讓社會公判想進就進 想出就出啊我回頭還是要說一件事情今天在這裡我並沒有否定院長你這十年來的表現我即便拿院會的事情來說也是善意的提醒國家公帑基本上怎麼運用要看看人民的想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
836.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
851.876 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
所以我还是祝福院长今天你圆满卸任希望你接下来能够继续为国家有更多的奉献谢谢你谢谢委员谢谢罗志强委员的质询也请院长回座 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-05-21T10:32:40.528000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-05-21T10:32:42.069000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
有請廖院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-05-21T10:32:42.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-05-21T10:32:43.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
有請廖院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-05-21T10:32:43.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-05-21T10:32:47.573000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
羅委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-05-21T10:32:48.734000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-05-21T10:32:49.095000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
院長好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-05-21T10:32:49.675000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-05-21T10:32:57.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
首先想請教你一下，您這本施政計畫報告上面印的「中央研究院」5個字是誰的字體？ |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-05-21T10:32:57.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-05-21T10:32:58.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
什麼時候開始使用的？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-05-21T10:33:01.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-05-21T10:33:12.763000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
假如我沒記錯，應該是很早以前就使用，可能是蔡元培院長的墨寶。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-05-21T10:33:12.763000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-05-21T10:33:25.734000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
是，這是1928年（民國17年）中央研究院成立的時候，首任院長蔡元培的原始手稿體，已經有近百年的歷史。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-05-21T10:33:26.916000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-05-21T10:33:41.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
過去中研院也一直用蔡元培院長的字作為標準字，就算是1997年李遠哲院長任內設計新的院徽，院徽上也使用了蔡元培院長的字。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-05-21T10:33:44.577000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-05-21T10:34:03.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
但是我們卻看到中研院在2022年新增一組電腦字標準字體作為新院徽的字體，我想請教一下，院長，你知道你們2022年的標準字花了多少錢嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.873 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-05-21T10:34:03.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-05-21T10:34:05.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
我請業務單位詳細回答這個問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
曾處長國祥 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-05-21T10:34:07.363000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-05-21T10:34:08.304000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
委員好，我是秘書處處長。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
曾處長國祥 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-05-21T10:34:09.886000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-05-21T10:34:12.248000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
這個標案花了104萬。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-05-21T10:34:12.248000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-05-21T10:34:13.270000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
院長，請你過來一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-05-21T10:34:16.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-05-21T10:34:18.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
這兩個院徽差別在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-05-21T10:34:18.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-05-21T10:34:20.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
有點遠！ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-05-21T10:34:20.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-05-21T10:34:21.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
我拿過去給您看，時間暫停。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-05-21T10:34:21.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-05-21T10:34:27.131750+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
院長，這兩個差別在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-05-21T10:34:27.131750+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-05-21T10:34:32.464500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
只有這個字不一樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-05-21T10:34:32.464500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-05-21T10:34:37.797250+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
這個字。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-05-21T10:34:37.797250+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-05-21T10:34:43.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
對，非常好！ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-05-21T10:34:43.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-05-21T10:35:02.330000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
院長眼力很好，就只有字體不一樣，原來右邊的是首任院長蔡元培的墨寶，後面改成電腦字「中央研究院」，當然底下的英文字體也不一樣啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.911 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-05-21T10:35:03.771000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-05-21T10:35:06.172000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
院長，請問花了多少錢？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-05-21T10:35:06.172000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-05-21T10:35:08.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
收了多少錢？104萬。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
曾處長國祥 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-05-21T10:35:08.634000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-05-21T10:35:16.380000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
不過跟委員報告一下，這主要是因為現在年輕世代所使用的網路平台，對於視覺效果的期待跟傳統不一樣…… |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.795 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-05-21T10:35:16.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-05-21T10:35:17.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
你是處長，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
曾處長國祥 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-05-21T10:35:17.701000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-05-21T10:35:17.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
對，秘書處處長。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-05-21T10:35:17.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-05-21T10:35:20.623000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
處長，你不要當大家是笨蛋啦！是。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-05-21T10:35:21.103000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-05-21T10:35:22.204000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
真的不要當大家是笨蛋啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-05-21T10:35:23.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-05-21T10:35:29.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
基本上，中央研究院蔡元培院長的墨寶用了一百年到現在也沒有脫節啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-05-21T10:35:29.612000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-05-21T10:35:35.975000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
電腦字也不會有任何的問題，要在電腦上show出來沒有任何問題，連你今天的施政報告也沒改啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.881 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
曾處長國祥 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-05-21T10:35:35.975000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-05-21T10:35:37.116000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
是，不過…… |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-05-21T10:35:37.116000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-05-21T10:35:39.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
你的名片也沒改，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
曾處長國祥 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-05-21T10:35:39.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-05-21T10:35:47.761000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
沒有，我們基本上就是有兩個不一樣的……因為一個當然就是如你所說，是比較維護我們的人文傳統…… |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-05-21T10:35:47.761000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-05-21T10:35:48.322000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
好，謝謝你、謝謝你！ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
曾處長國祥 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-05-21T10:35:49.342000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-05-21T10:35:52.804000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
然後另外一個……就是這兩個事實上我們都放在網頁…… |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-05-21T10:35:53.064000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-05-21T10:35:55.666000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
沒關係，讓社會公判，我們請院長上來。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-05-21T10:35:56.827000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-05-21T10:35:58.208000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
他也講不出所以然來。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-05-21T10:35:59.169000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-05-21T10:36:08.655000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
院長，抱歉，今天可以看到我們親愛的政府，國家的錢104萬是小數字嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-05-21T10:36:08.655000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-05-21T10:36:11.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
請問院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-05-21T10:36:11.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-05-21T10:36:14.819000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
大小是相對的，不過每一分錢都很重要。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-05-21T10:36:15.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-05-21T10:36:38.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
我告訴院長，台電、中油前面才發生聶永真96萬改個字而被社會輿論撻伐，我不希望中研院今天遇到類似的狀況，當然你的得標廠商不是聶永真，得標的是另外一家廠商「優視覺溝通」。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.795 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-05-21T10:36:39.601000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-05-21T10:36:48.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
我還是拿這一張圖給所有人公判一下，大家去看，國家的錢104萬啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-05-21T10:36:49.613000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-05-21T10:36:57.537000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
非常有歷史意義的蔡元培院長的字，改成旁邊的字，104萬！ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-05-21T10:36:59.318000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-05-21T10:37:06.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
現在抱歉，你們弄了新的標準字以後，還是回頭用蔡元培院長的字啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-05-21T10:37:07.843000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-05-21T10:37:11.406000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
這個錢花的實益到底在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-05-21T10:37:11.406000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-05-21T10:37:12.406000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
我想是…… |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-05-21T10:37:11.406000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-05-21T10:37:18.437000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
我要回頭跟院長說一件事，為什麼我覺得要把這個事情拿出來嚴肅地討論？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.839 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-05-21T10:37:18.437000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-05-21T10:37:33.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
今天台電花了96.8萬，把于右任的字改成聶永真的電腦字，100萬就沒了。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.741 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-05-21T10:37:35.167000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-05-21T10:37:42.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
以台電來說，你知道當時于右任寫這個字的報酬是多少嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-05-21T10:37:42.871000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-05-21T10:37:43.332000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
院長，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-05-21T10:37:45.429000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-05-21T10:37:46.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
當然不可能知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-05-21T10:37:46.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-05-21T10:37:50.973000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
你當然不可能知道，你不會知道，我不會怪你，因為不是你的業管。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-05-21T10:37:52.714000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-05-21T10:37:54.154000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
他的報酬是兩顆大西瓜啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-05-21T10:37:56.376000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-05-21T10:38:03.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
台電送他兩顆大西瓜，他當場切下來跟大家分享，這就是于右任，大書法家！ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-05-21T10:38:05.201000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-05-21T10:38:09.864000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
他為台電寫字的報酬是兩顆大西瓜。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-05-21T10:38:12.653000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-05-21T10:38:25.446000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
蔡元培是首任中研院院長，台電是請于右任來寫字，蔡元培是首任中研院院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-05-21T10:38:25.666000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-05-21T10:38:30.431000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
當然我還是要肯定您，兩套併行，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-05-21T10:38:30.812000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-05-21T10:38:30.912000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
現在是兩套併行。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-05-21T10:38:30.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-05-21T10:38:33.795000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
可不可以容我們解釋一下？請說。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-05-21T10:38:36.716000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-05-21T10:38:53.307000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
這兩套併行的原因，就業務單位跟我解釋，是因為很多狀況之下，書法字體印小會變得很模糊而沒有辦法呈現，所以在很多不同的應用下，必須要用比較清楚的…… |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.877 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-05-21T10:38:53.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-05-21T10:39:00.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
院長，我很尊敬你，我真的很尊敬你，可是這件事情你不需要為業務單位在那邊拗啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-05-21T10:39:01.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-05-21T10:39:05.802000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
我今天還是拿圖片給你看……這個…… |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-05-21T10:39:05.802000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-05-21T10:39:18.713000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
我告訴你，你今天真的說書法字體有些應用上不便，你也不要告訴我……這104萬，就只改個字體！ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-05-21T10:39:18.713000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-05-21T10:39:23.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
這104萬，據我的了解，不是改字體而已，是整個視覺形象的設計…… |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-05-21T10:39:23.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-05-21T10:39:25.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
院長，我要拜託你啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-05-21T10:39:25.538000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-05-21T10:39:27.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
委員，我也要拜託你讓我們有一點時間解釋…… |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-05-21T10:39:27.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-05-21T10:39:30.260000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
不是，沒關係，院長，你要這樣講，讓大家公判嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-05-21T10:39:30.820000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-05-21T10:39:33.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
整個形象的設計，非常好啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-05-21T10:39:33.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-05-21T10:39:34.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
形象的設計不包括…… |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-05-21T10:39:34.542000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-05-21T10:39:36.923000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
你剛剛自己都看到只有字體變了啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
曾處長國祥 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-05-21T10:39:37.023000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-05-21T10:39:46.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
沒有，這個是整個形象識別體系，譬如中研院現在到所有的鄉鎮演講，去推廣我們的科普活動、我們的網頁…… |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.767 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-05-21T10:39:46.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-05-21T10:39:48.508000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
好，沒關係，你要這樣拗，我讓你拗！ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-05-21T10:39:49.869000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-05-21T10:39:51.170000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
下來、下來！ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-05-21T10:39:51.170000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-05-21T10:39:52.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
過來，再來。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-05-21T10:39:52.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-05-21T10:39:52.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
沒有，再來、再來、再來啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
曾處長國祥 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-05-21T10:39:52.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-05-21T10:39:54.717000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
要我過去你那邊嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-05-21T10:39:54.717000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-05-21T10:40:03.246000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
不是，我請院長上來，我請院長上來，沒關係，讓大家公判，104萬！ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-05-21T10:40:03.246000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-05-21T10:40:14.493000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
我還是要回頭說一件事情，不管從台電到今天中研院，我不客氣地講，實質上的必要性在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-05-21T10:40:14.493000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-05-21T10:40:23.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
很簡單嘛，在電腦印刷數位化的今天，印刷書法體早就不是問題了，要在電腦上呈現，一點問題都沒有！ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-05-21T10:40:24.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-05-21T10:40:35.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
我也不相信有人會看不懂蔡元培的字，唯一的原因只有一個，跟台電用聶永真的電腦字去改于右任的字一樣…… |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-05-21T10:40:35.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-05-21T10:40:36.419000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-05-21T10:40:36.419000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-05-21T10:40:37.881000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
就是想辦法要切斷歷史嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-05-21T10:40:38.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-05-21T10:40:40.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
完全不是這個，這完全不是事實！ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-05-21T10:40:40.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-05-21T10:40:40.544000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
謝謝你啦…… |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-05-21T10:40:41.485000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-05-21T10:40:42.005000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
這個完全不是事實！ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-05-21T10:40:42.005000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-05-21T10:40:44.548000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
我告訴你，你沒有完全切斷是我肯定你的地方，因為這上面還是在。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-05-21T10:40:45.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-05-21T10:40:49.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
委員，當初業務單位做這個主要是整個視覺形象…… |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-05-21T10:40:50.694000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-05-21T10:40:51.235000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
沒關係，讓社會公判！ |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-05-21T10:40:52.816000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-05-21T10:40:53.797000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
接下來，我再請教下一個問題…… |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-05-21T10:40:54.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-05-21T10:40:59.001000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
全世界的大學及全世界的機構都不斷在精進、在改良他們的世界…… |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-05-21T10:40:59.082000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-05-21T10:41:01.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
是，百年歷史切掉叫精進、改良，我謝謝你！ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-05-21T10:41:02.284000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-05-21T10:41:05.186000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
不是，我們不是把百年歷史切斷，我們沒有這個意思。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-05-21T10:41:05.266000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-05-21T10:41:06.848000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
院長，沒關係，我進到下一題，讓社會公判！ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-05-21T10:41:07.268000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-05-21T10:41:07.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-05-21T10:41:07.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-05-21T10:41:11.852000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
讓社會公判，104萬值不值得讓社會公判，不是你說的算，也不是我說的算。是的。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-05-21T10:41:13.713000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-05-21T10:41:17.396000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
今天是院長上任第10年，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-05-21T10:41:17.396000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-05-21T10:41:19.558000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
你1個月後6月20號要卸任，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-05-21T10:41:19.558000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-05-21T10:41:20.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
任滿嘛。是的。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-05-21T10:41:21.739000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-05-21T10:41:30.502000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
院長，這10年我是肯定你，這是真心話，我肯定你，至少在學術上我覺得你是維持中立的。 |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-05-21T10:41:32.383000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-05-21T10:41:41.307000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
我想請教，我們剛剛提到的蔡元培首任院長，還有過去歷任的中研院長都有一個相近的特點，你知道是什麼嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-05-21T10:41:42.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-05-21T10:41:57.043000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
我想都是實事求是、不畏權勢、勇於發言、對事實做勇敢的陳述，這是我們共同的信念。 |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-05-21T10:41:58.043000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-05-21T10:42:05.185000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
對，非常好，這是中研院的傳統，我用4個字來講，不畏當道。是的。 |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-05-21T10:42:05.885000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-05-21T10:42:06.265000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
對，非常好。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-05-21T10:42:07.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-05-21T10:42:19.154000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
首任蔡元培院長為了確保學術獨立，他刻意選擇在哪裡召開中研院的第一次院務會議，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-05-21T10:42:19.154000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-05-21T10:42:31.544000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
他在上海召開，不在當時國民政府所在地的南京召開，當時他的意思很簡單，他要遠離政治，表達學術機構自主運作的決心。 |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-05-21T10:42:35.003000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-05-21T10:42:46.352000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
當蔣中正總統想把中研院轉隸考試院轄下，第二任院長朱家驊強力反對，不惜以辭職以示抗議。 |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-05-21T10:42:46.352000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-05-21T10:42:54.878000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
而蔣總統在出席中研院院士會議的時候批判了五四新文化運動，你知道第三任院長胡適對他說什麼嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-05-21T10:42:54.878000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-05-21T10:42:54.958000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
蔣總統，你錯了。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-05-21T10:42:54.978000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-05-21T10:42:55.078000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
答對了。 |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-05-21T10:42:55.098000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-05-21T10:42:55.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
委員，你也不對。 |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-05-21T10:42:55.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:02.011000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
謝謝你…… |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:02.011000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:02.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
我們今天講的跟…… |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:03.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:04.373000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
你來這裡不需要反駁我…… |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:04.833000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:09.816000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
你也是當道，對我們來講，你是立法院、是中研院最大的一個權威。 |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:09.936000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:14.118000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
院長，我到底不對在哪裡，我就教一下，我不對在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:14.118000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:18.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
您剛才說我們為了要切斷歷史所以改變院徽，這件事情是不對的！ |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:18.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:19.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
謝謝你。 |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:19.622000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:21.143000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
我們沒有做這件事情。 |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:21.643000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:22.864000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
我就說讓社會公判啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:23.284000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:28.527000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
我們沒有做這件事情，我們是要把我們的視覺系統做一個優化。 |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:28.687000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:30.188000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
院長，我說過讓社會公判了。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:30.628000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:33.990000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
我現在講不怕得罪當道這句話，我哪裡說錯了？ |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:33.990000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:34.990000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
你告訴我。 |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:34.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:35.591000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
沒錯、沒有錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:35.591000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:37.412000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
謝謝你，謝謝你的肯定，沒錯嘛。沒錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:38.092000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:42.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
我肯定你10年學術獨立，我也沒說你害怕當道，有嗎？沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:42.454000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:44.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
沒有嘛，那我到底錯在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:44.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:46.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
我說您對我們院徽這件事情的…… |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:47.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:49.818000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
你不要回到前一題去啦，我現在問你的是第二題。 |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:50.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:53.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
第二題沒有錯，第一題說我們對院徽的…… |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:54.020000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:01.082000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
說過了，你的院徽104萬值不值得不是我羅智強評價的嘛，中研院作為國家的單位，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:01.082000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[132].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:04.344000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].text |
你拿的是政府的錢，人民來公判，合理吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:05.764000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[133].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:06.344000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].text |
院長，合不合理？ |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:06.344000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:07.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].text |
人民來判斷嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:07.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:13.248000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].text |
人民公判，但是要基於事實的陳述、基於合理的道德。 |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:13.848000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[136].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:22.372000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].text |
來、來、來，事實，你要一直倒帶我真的也沒辦法，你要一直倒帶我也真的沒辦法，就讓大家來看看這兩個院徽到底行不行，104萬嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:22.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[137].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:22.672000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].text |
沒關係，我把話講完…… |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:22.672000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[138].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:30.611000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].text |
我們剛剛很多話都沒講完。 |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:30.611000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[139].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:33.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].text |
謝謝您，你剛剛也有逾時，不要裝了！ |
| transcript.gazette[139].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:33.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[140].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:35.935000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].text |
逾6分鐘。 |
| transcript.gazette[140].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:35.935000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[141].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:36.496000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].text |
你給我算時間啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[141].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:37.156000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[142].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:42.320000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].text |
吳思瑤，你在司法及法制委員會逾時20分鐘都有，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[142].quality |
0.682 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:42.320000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[143].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:44.502000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].text |
因為他雙標王…… |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:44.502000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[144].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:47.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].text |
雙標王吳思瑤，夠了沒，夠了沒有？主席…… |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:48.825000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[145].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:51.027000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].text |
前面通通都有逾時，不要告訴我…… |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:51.027000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[146].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:53.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].text |
不要干擾別人質詢啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[146].quality |
0.222 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:53.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:54.299000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].text |
你干擾我質詢幹什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:55.359000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:56.460000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].text |
時間暫停，可不可以停下來？ |
| transcript.gazette[148].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:56.960000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[149].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:57.861000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].text |
你要吵就繼續吵下去。 |
| transcript.gazette[149].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:57.861000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:59.602000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].text |
請大家體諒，請大家體諒…… |
| transcript.gazette[150].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:59.602000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[151].end |
2026-05-21T10:45:00.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].text |
剛剛光2分鐘就跟你在對。 |
| transcript.gazette[151].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2026-05-21T10:45:00.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[152].end |
2026-05-21T10:45:01.483000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].text |
因為剛才有宣告…… |
| transcript.gazette[152].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2026-05-21T10:45:01.483000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[153].end |
2026-05-21T10:45:06.586000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].text |
你如果沒有逾時，你叫我不要逾時，沒關係；你有逾時，你就不要在那邊跟我說。 |
| transcript.gazette[153].quality |
0.581 |
| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2026-05-21T10:45:06.586000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[154].end |
2026-05-21T10:45:08.407000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].text |
來，沒關係呀！ |
| transcript.gazette[154].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2026-05-21T10:45:08.407000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[155].end |
2026-05-21T10:45:10.228000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].text |
超時不是這樣…… |
| transcript.gazette[155].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[156].start |
2026-05-21T10:45:10.228000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[156].end |
2026-05-21T10:45:11.709000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].text |
我們再1分鐘。少來！ |
| transcript.gazette[156].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[157].start |
2026-05-21T10:45:13.810000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[157].end |
2026-05-21T10:45:15.251000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].text |
主席，我抗議，他干擾我發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[157].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[158].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[158].start |
2026-05-21T10:45:15.251000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[158].end |
2026-05-21T10:45:16.672000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].text |
沒關係，剛才應該……再1分鐘，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[158].quality |
0.083 |
| transcript.gazette[159].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[159].start |
2026-05-21T10:45:16.672000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[159].end |
2026-05-21T10:45:18.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].text |
我繼續講完，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[159].quality |
0.143 |
| transcript.gazette[160].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[160].start |
2026-05-21T10:45:18.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[160].end |
2026-05-21T10:45:24.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].text |
我講的不是您，我今天要講的是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[160].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[161].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[161].start |
2026-05-21T10:45:24.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[161].end |
2026-05-21T10:45:32.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].text |
我們新任的院長跟不懼當道沒有關係，他就是當道、他就是當道！ |
| transcript.gazette[161].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[162].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[162].start |
2026-05-21T10:45:33.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[162].end |
2026-05-21T10:45:52.170000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].text |
從1997年自臺大調任國科會生物處處長開始，就在學術界跟官場上頻繁輪調，中研院副院長選上副總統，卸任回來當中研院特聘研究員，然後49萬高薪再借調去當行政院院長，現在回來當中研院院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[162].quality |
0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[163].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[163].start |
2026-05-21T10:45:53.912000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[163].end |
2026-05-21T10:46:03.254000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].text |
我不知道中研院什麼時候變成今天這樣官學兩棲的廚房，沒有關係嘛，一樣讓社會公判，想進就進、想出就出！ |
| transcript.gazette[163].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[164].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[164].start |
2026-05-21T10:46:04.594000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[164].end |
2026-05-21T10:46:21.638000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].text |
我回頭還是要說一件事情，今天在這裡我並沒有否定院長這10年來的表現，我即便拿院徽的事情來說，也是善意的提醒，基本上國家公帑怎麼運用要看看人民的想法。 |
| transcript.gazette[164].quality |
0.94 |
| transcript.gazette[165].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[165].start |
2026-05-21T10:46:22.843000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[165].end |
2026-05-21T10:46:30.990000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].text |
所以我還是祝福院長，今天你圓滿卸任，希望你接下來能夠繼續為國家有更多的奉獻，謝謝你。 |
| transcript.gazette[165].quality |
0.658 |
| transcript.gazette[166].speaker |
廖院長俊智 |
| transcript.gazette[166].start |
2026-05-21T10:46:30.990000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[166].end |
2026-05-21T10:46:34.833000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].text |
謝謝，謝謝委員！ |
| transcript.gazette[166].quality |
0.167 |
| transcript.gazette[167].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[167].start |
2026-05-21T10:46:34.833000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[167].end |
2026-05-21T10:46:37.856000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].text |
謝謝羅智強委員的質詢，也請院長回座。 |
| transcript.gazette[167].quality |
0.375 |
| transcript.gazette[168].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[168].start |
2026-05-21T10:46:38.356000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[168].end |
2026-05-21T10:46:44.641714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].text |
接下來有請鍾佳濱委員，鍾佳濱委員、鍾佳濱委員不在。 |
| transcript.gazette[168].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[169].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[169].start |
2026-05-21T10:46:44.941714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[169].end |
2026-05-21T10:46:49.798857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].text |
洪孟楷委員，洪孟楷委員、洪孟楷委員不在。 |
| transcript.gazette[169].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[170].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[170].start |
2026-05-21T10:46:50.098857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[170].end |
2026-05-21T10:46:54.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].text |
邱志偉委員，邱志偉委員、邱志偉委員不在。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[171].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[171].start |
2026-05-21T10:46:55.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[171].end |
2026-05-21T10:46:59.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].text |
下一位有請葉元之委員進行詢答。 |
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| transcript.gazette[172].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-05-21T10:46:59.556000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[172].end |
2026-05-21T10:47:02.413143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].text |
主席，麻煩請中研院院長。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[173].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-05-21T10:47:02.713143+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[173].end |
2026-05-21T10:47:04.141714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].text |
有請廖院長。 |
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| transcript.gazette[174].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[174].start |
2026-05-21T10:47:04.441714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[174].end |
2026-05-21T10:47:09.584571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].text |
在質詢院長之前，我可不可以程序發言一下？ |
| transcript.gazette[174].quality |
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| transcript.gazette[175].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-05-21T10:47:09.884571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].guessed |
1 |
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2026-05-21T10:47:18.456000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].text |
我覺得我們教文委員在吳思瑤委員來之前，好像都不會發生這樣的事情。 |
| transcript.gazette[175].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[176].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-05-21T10:47:18.756000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].guessed |
1 |
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2026-05-21T10:47:32.470286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].text |
當羅智強委員質詢官員，要講什麼內容是羅智強委員的自由，下面的人可以在那邊說：時間超時不是讓你來侮辱官員。 |
| transcript.gazette[176].quality |
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| transcript.gazette[177].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-05-21T10:47:32.770286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[177].end |
2026-05-21T10:47:49.627429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].text |
他可以在下面講話，那以後吳思瑤在講話的時候，我就可以在下面講話，我就說：你在那邊質詢，不是在那邊護航、在那邊歌功頌德、在這邊講自己好。 |
| transcript.gazette[177].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[178].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[178].start |
2026-05-21T10:47:49.927429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[178].end |
2026-05-21T10:47:56.784571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].text |
那我們的質詢沒有意義嘛，每一個人幾分鐘要尊重質詢者！ |
| transcript.gazette[178].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[179].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[179].start |
2026-05-21T10:47:57.084571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[179].end |
2026-05-21T10:48:12.513143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].text |
跟葉委員回應，因為在吳沛憶委員之前我們有宣告，等一下主席會嚴格把關時間，也請大家自我管控，因為我們要接續預算審查，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[179].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[180].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[180].start |
2026-05-21T10:48:12.813143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[180].end |
2026-05-21T10:48:38.527429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].text |
對，我知道，我尊重主席的裁量，我也尊重主席的判準，都OK，但不是人家在這邊質詢，然後在下面干擾，那我覺得大家質詢就會沒有辦法很專心、認真地去跟官員對談，這是尊重我們教文委員會每個委員的職權，是不是？可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[180].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[181].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[181].start |
2026-05-21T10:48:38.827429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[181].end |
2026-05-21T10:48:41.398857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].text |
我們就開始計時了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[181].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[182].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[182].start |
2026-05-21T10:48:41.698857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[182].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[182].end |
2026-05-21T10:48:43.413143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[182].text |
可以，謝謝。謝謝。 |
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0 |