| IVOD_ID |
169523 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169523 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-21T10:10:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-21T10:26:48+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/14c66ee36e76b85c505566cc786ee2de6a23d741002eb060f929c1ba330123fb9149260f840dde775ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
翁曉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:10:19 - 10:26:48 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於總統府主管（不含中央研究院）收支部分。
【預算提案於5月21日上午10時30分截止收件】
【5月18日、20日及21日三天一次會】） |
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有請潘秘書長請潘秘書長 |
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秘書長早安我想我們這邊 因為這幾天的話題跟川習會有關還有跟賴清德總統昨天就職兩週年有關所以我這邊有幾個問題我想要請教秘書長首先我們先來看一段畫面好了 |
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现在我们和中国做得很好的,我们有很好的关系,我们真的有很好的友谊。他是一个很厉害的领导,他在这里很久了,非常强壮,非常强壮,没有任何疑问。我们的关系很好。 |
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好因為剛剛的聲音比較小我不曉得秘書長有沒有聽到那麼簡單來說呢就是其實川普在川習會之前跟之後其實接受媒體詢問的時候都有講到就是他與習近平的關係很好是好朋友那也認為說中美兩國其實他們這個維持一個 |
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不错的一个友谊的状况那么甚至呢他刚在影片里面还说他还称习近平是一个tremendous leader一个了不起的领导人猛夸习近平啊所以我自己想请教秘书长就是您是否同意川普的话他对于尤其是川普对于习近平的评价 |
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謝謝委員的垂詢我想作為G2兩個世界超級大國大概彼此的外交的公為這個必然的一個禮貌那我想是不是他內心裡面怎麼樣想法我不知道但是他講出這一席話我想是一個外交的公為那因為他既然如果他是那麼偉大但他不給他任何的承諾就是說對台灣的部分他川普也同時後面就講了這一句話 |
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好 剛剛講到承諾的問題其實川普其實在後續的影片的訪問裡面他有講到就是說有關於就是台灣軍購的問題 台灣軍售的問題那他有特別提出說這個未來美國會不會給台灣軍售就是It depends on China就是說這是要看大陸的這個態度 |
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取決於中國大陸所以外界現在很擔心說台灣是不是可能會淪為大國交易的菜單所以請問民進黨政府因為我們知道在過去這段時間我們看到民進黨政府執政十年高度依賴美國的軍售而且不斷擴大對美軍售的規模 |
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那像這種找敵人的麻吉來當保鏢或是我們講的更簡單就是把台灣的安全交給敵人的朋友圈的這種做法到底合不合適啊我們花那麼多錢向美國買了軍購結果美國說我們的目的是為了怕中國大陸可能來威脅來攻擊我們結果現在美國反而說是這個到底要不要軍購的事情我還要跟我的朋友討論討論 |
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這個委員 我認為這個邏輯 難道要跟中國買嗎這個要跟中國軍購 因為中國一直在威脅我們不是把他當成敵人嗎我現在意思是講說就是民進黨的國防政策尤其在對於所謂的軍購軍售政策的方面你們都沒有思考 你們都沒有一個更好 與時俱進的判斷嗎中美的關係在改變 |
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然後你可以看到這次川普去了中國大陸之後跟習近平見面,他在之前之後的這個訪問,基本上就是真的就把台灣當成是他們未來兩國談判的一個籌碼。 |
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這是不真的事實 國內國外的政治評論專家也都是這麼看法但是昨天賴清德總統在他的就職典禮裡面還又在講我們還要再提高國防預算 還要再提新的特別條例現在的問題就是說 我們要把所有的籌碼都堵在美國嗎 |
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這個委員就是因為中國持續的這個騷擾不斷我們才更應該去保自我保衛你總不能說有一個流氓隨時來這邊跟你騷擾我買個監控器我買個反制的東西那我們有錯這一點是不對的第二個中美關係未必有改善台美關係 |
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自我防衛是需要的只是說我現在是認為總統府還有我們的國安會乃至於我們的整個國家國防政策不需要再去進行一個與時俱進的檢討嗎在整個的方向上面有沒有問題 |
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絕對沒問題台灣隨時在檢討也隨時在面對地緣政治國際局勢的改變不管是對歐洲似乎也不了解現在國際局勢的發展你看世界各國的領導人都要去 |
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這個中國大陸參訪去跟習近平見面只有我們台灣動不動就是要跟大陸這個對抗對立然後呢把和平放在兩邊我想這個議題我們就談到這邊因為我希望民進黨政府可以好好的再去思考你們現在新的國防的策略好 那接下來呢我要問的就是說這個賴清德總統呢 |
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昨天他就職兩周年的時候他其實在他談話一開始就說的就說兩年前的今天我在總統府宣誓向全體國人承諾我備定遵守憲法盡忠職務增進人民福利保衛國家不負國民託付兩年來這份誓言沒有一天離開我的心中這份責任也沒有一刻因為挑戰艱難而有所逃避我看到賴總統這段話 |
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我真的覺得挺諷刺的麥金德總統講這些話難道不覺得心虛嗎他說他要遵守憲法 盡忠職務總統的憲法義務是什麼 |
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很清楚他必須要在一縣要公布立法院三讀通過的法律可是我們看看現在有五項立法院三讀通過的法律至今未公布而這些法律基本上都影響到我們民眾的權益 |
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不管是老舊眷村的這個改進條例財政收視劃分法影響還有廣電業者的權益立法院助理的權利等等 那麼為什麼我們的總統竟然可以違憲不公布法律這個全世界也沒有哪個國家裡的總統是不公布國會所通過的法律啊總統 這個委員妳可能弄錯了是 |
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總統經過立法院要送到總統府的三讀決議文總統依法送到行政院去附屬行政院也是一個憲法機關立法院也是一個憲法機關總統府更是憲法機關絕對是尊守憲法我認為賴清德總統我們總統府不要把這個責任推到卓榮泰的身上 |
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卓榮泰就是令總統所任命的行政院院長如果今天賴清德總統他不認同行政院院長卓榮泰的做法麻煩請聽我說完秘書長 麻煩請聽我說完我現在要講的是我都聽你講那麼久了你讓我講一下是我會讓你有講的時間但是請你不要講不要這個搶我的話好不好好 謝謝我現在要說的是 |
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卓榮泰院長是賴清德總統任命的行政院院長如果說賴清德總統今天不認同卓榮泰的做法他可以把卓榮泰換掉那麼在現在的狀況之下看起來就是我們賴清德總統他授意支持卓榮泰的做法這不就是一個違憲的作為嗎不會 |
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好這是你說的不會總統府說的不會賴清德說的不會但是我要講的是說全世界也沒有哪個國家的總統是敢不公布國會的法律就算是有這樣的一個狀況也不會是一個總統在短時間裡面兩年之內他五部法律都不通過 |
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這個是非常非常嚴重違憲亂整的情況委員 你們通過的法律多少案子已經被判為違憲了總不能國會任意的自大到把什麼的法案通過之後而且對一個自愛男性的法案總統要叫公佈總統包括急症院不是橡皮圖章啦 |
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這是由總統去決定 總統不是憲法法庭總統不是大法官 他沒有權利可以去宣告自己做決定說哪一個法律是違憲這是我認為賴清德總統他違反的第一個憲法義務第二個憲法義務就是到現在為止 |
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大法官已經缺額一年半賴清德總統不提名就不提名縱使他之前曾經提過兩次的名單那麼立法院審議不通過但是他還是應該要基於憲法忠誠憲法義務他必須要再提名大法官但是沒有啊他現在就一直這個好像這個很受益就是讓這個 |
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謝明陽大法官持續的代理院長是要持續代理到他們這一任這七個大法官全部卸任嗎委員我認為我們的憲法送了兩次的十四位大法官被貴院否決了你說還要再送嗎 |
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兩次的國內所有法制的菁英14位法制菁英被你們這樣一一的否決了我要講的是依照憲法的規定賴清德總統就應該要持續提名大法官人選我相信我們台灣的法學界絕對不止 |
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台灣的法學精英現在是為什麼賴清德總統在我們的法界找不到適合的人才我認為這是一個很嚴重的問題好那接下來還有第三個問題我們也會適時來提出第三個問題賴清德總統昨天在就職發言裡面也說他要向國軍 |
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弟兄姊妹們表達最高的敬意身為三軍統帥他會繼續做國軍最堅定的後盾讓國軍有更好的裝備更好的訓練更好的照顧也讓軍人受到社會應有的尊敬講這句話我也認為其實真的是非常的諷刺 |
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到現在為止給軍人加幾三萬元的這件事情賴清德總統行政院到目前為止都沒有編列我們立法院三讀通過要給退伍軍人所有退伍軍人的子女子女教育補助費到現在為止也沒有編列 |
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今天我要講的就是說賴清德總統愛護國軍不要口惠而食不至該給的就要給更何況這是我們立法院三讀通過的法律全民都支持為什麼要卡在總統府 |
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昨天還有一個新聞 我覺得也是希望總統還有我們官會要警覺的因為我們目前國防部的支通電的軍官出現大批的退伍潮這代表什麼 代表我們的國軍弟兄們已經開始對我們國家沒有信心了以後找不到軍人了 買了再好的武器也沒有辦法 |
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來做國防的防衛所以這個部分是我要提醒總統府的第四個問題 對不起還有一個第四個問題就是有關於外交困境這次總統出訪史瓦帝尼坦白說我基本上是看到這個賴清德總統沒有辦法搭乘自己的總統專機而必須要搭乘這個史瓦帝尼的國防專機出訪 |
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我內心其實是挺不捨的雖然說賴清德總統一些作為我不能認同可是呢在這件事情上面我認為我們的總統府跟我們的國安會是之前都沒有考慮清楚相關的這個影響嗎我現在要問的一個問題是有關於我們的總統沒有辦法搭乘自己的總統專機去搭了別的國家的這個元首國王的這個專機那在街上的委安呢總統的委安是怎麼維持 |
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我可以回答囉 總共你幾個問題 蔡總統總統都加薪你剛剛講說總統違憲 總統對軍人不加薪這根本不是事實啊我足以你有三四個問題 我足以來跟你回答啊你說軍人不加薪 總統跟蔡總統這四年來幫了加了次次薪在賴清德總統 |
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然後27次的戰鬥加急翁委員這是你的認知因為你不分軍種不分階等然後全面的一次性的 |
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這個就是我們國會的立法政策這個就是我們國會的立法政策甚至當時聯名在委員也都支持所以在釋憲嘛第一個我要講說這個荒唐荒謬的事情連長領的比營長多所以你們這個齊投資的叫假平等 |
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這不是在關心軍人 這已經在加薪 已經送到你聽見這樣的說法 我跟你說會更傷我們國軍弟兄的心我絕對同意賴清德總統在我們立法院 給的軍人加緊三萬元以下你要再加十萬 再加十五萬我都同意你加一百萬我都沒意見是 那為什麼你不執行 為什麼你不是執行重要是說我們現在立法院通過這個立法院 |
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你根本是在糊弄 你根本在模糊焦點我要講的是 趙薇請我解釋一下她問了四五個問題 因為我沒有回答好像是她講的是對的那就請秘書長先回座不用嘛 因為嘉興 |
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總統 國安部再演你一套那至於釋憲結果如何總統府 秦正恩會遵照釋憲結果不是齊頭式的 也不是這種等級式的這完全不是在為今年著想第二個 總統出訪有一定的嚴謹的規劃這一點謝謝委員的關心 追尋 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝潘秘書長也謝謝翁小玲 趙薇因為我們下午還有很多時間可以跟秘書長來做一個對話因為我本來是要問有關於國安會借調的問題可能很快兩分鐘好嗎沒關係 我已經給你一半的時間了 |
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我對我們最美麗大方的趙偉是最尊敬的這個趙偉基本上因為你也知道潘秘書長搶我話 佔了我很多時間啦所以呢我本來還有一個重要的問題要問問趙秘書長 |