| IVOD_ID |
169521 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169521 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-21T10:04:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-21T10:17:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/14c66ee36e76b85c3f2ae738ff1415aaca1860e2f1c42d1af929c1ba330123fbbf8cd4fcca9df8855ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:04:06 - 10:17:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣糖業股份有限公司董事長、農業部部長、行政院災害防救辦公室首長、行政院公共工程委員會首長、內政部首長率國土管理署首長、交通部首長、原住民族委員會首長、財政部國有財產署首長、國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會首長及衛生福利部首長就「全台各縣市汛期防洪防災工程準備情形及花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖災後復原重建工作」執行進度及預算運用進行報告，並備質詢。
【5月20日及5月21日二天一次會】） |
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接下來我們請這個鄭天才委員質詢主席有請這個行政院公共工廠委員會的副主委農業部部長還有經濟部的次長 |
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好 我們請農業部、經濟部跟公共工程委員會首先各部會以後要回覆委員的質詢就要提到預算法54條你們是最清楚的這個預算法54條延續性的計畫可以繼續用 |
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你們也都知道你們的去年的114年度的結算我看了都是90%以上也就是延續性的計劃你們的經費90%以上都可以繼續用何況這個立法院又主動一一算了54條對於新興計劃也都 |
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這個通過了所以這個經費根本就是非常充裕而且而且是非常非常的 |
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不用那麼早 而且已經發包的話 到時候立法院我跟委員報告 所有的預算要真正的審查通過我們才會安心的去使用所以我還是麻煩委員能夠支持我們的預算我問過很多部會 我也是老公院三十年沒有審 然後可以用 |
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每个部会都私下跟我讲立法院没有审没有通过傻瓜傻瓜用原住民的用词立法院傻瓜傻瓜好继续我们先看这个影片这个跟农业部有关系好这个是5月15号5月15号这个也没有很大的仪了 |
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我問我這個在那邊的鄉親他說也沒有很大的雨結果就造成了這個佛祖街這邊的淹水這個就是造成的上次謝謝召委啊我們安排說要去處理這些結果還是淹了你看好接下來我們看這個這個特別條例第四條 |
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你就是農田的土石要挖掘要清潤要換土就是因為沒有執行當然你們很多的理由說希望能夠維持不要挖走但是到現在那麼久了 |
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也沒有結果所以你們把這個進度你們原來規劃希望就是說那個要要徵收要做什麼你們不想挖嘛佛祖間那邊的你們沒有要一特別條例農田土石沒有要挖掘清運換土 |
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你要這樣做嘛我跟委員報告就是整個農田覆蓋的部分774公斤裡面有一大部分是重災區裡面因為他的土石有的大到一兩米的部分那個花本身是比較所以不是我們不願意去處理我想我們一定是非常認真的去協助我們農民的復耕這個是我們一直在處理的那部長 |
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我之前一再的去了解去問你們你們是說因為你們要希望維持這樣希望能夠造林它已經成為小山了就成為小山造林是這樣你們的規劃是這樣沒有這個因跟果可能要稍微跟委員說明一下就是因為它的它的高度有的到達一米兩米的部分你在挖的時候那個是 |
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我們其實先從50公里下去處理的所以我們希望說用比較好的我知道這個我想我們沒有反對但是要去不要再造成這樣的一個災情也沒有很大的意願何況 |
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接下來的當然我們不希望颱風到花蓮去更不希望到光復去但是這個是台灣的特性這個請農業部加油然後接下來這個是跟經濟部水利署有關係 |
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這個東富部落也是這次因為5月15號發生了這個積水然後就是因為相關的這些縣管河川 |
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是不是這樣是不是因為縣廣合參對這個報告委員當初我們進入花蓮溪在阿多莫這邊有五條野溪是縣政府正在做的一個工作那個農業部部長先回座坐下那這個五條野溪因為本來是要做好等一下好是這個 |
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這邊就是造成這樣的野蜥野蜥正在做鋼板磚的保護加高起來但是因為施工有一個缺口當初那個施工的缺口沒有完全補起來那隔天我們行政院的理工有現場去看我今天再提出來就是說這個大家都知道5月就是防汛期 |
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然後也要謝謝公務工程委員會主任委員還有我們的政委紀將軍在4月底之前最起碼兩三次所以都已經開了什麼協調會報希望防疫訊息要怎麼樣 |
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顯示出還是有落還是有疏落所以要加強更要加強中央跟縣之間各部會之間確實是有需要加強的地方還好沒有造成這個相關的更大的災情但是一定要防範不要再發生然後事實上 |
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你們的經費水利設施編列85億元而且還要包含給地方政府花蓮縣政府的這些縣管排水治理的改善所以要真的是地方跟中央要密切的何況又有這個 |
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這個工程會的整個一個統合要互相的去協助支持要繼續加油是謝謝工程會也請回座好這個上次召委在召開的這個台堂的時候的一個我們的鄉親說挖土機沒有辦法補助現在到底誰來負責補助 |
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工程會 挖土機工程會這邊開會有力氣好 |
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好 那跟委員報告那挖土機其實它並不算是在農業設備類的一個補助範圍內因為一般我們比較少用到所以就不補助所以我們現在上次上週在那個行政院我們開了一次第七次的那個協調匯報的時候有特地那個陳金德主委 政委有特地把這個議題撈出來那請相關部會來研議一下是不是從那些生產器具設備方面來去研議看如何能夠來協助好 這個已經這麼久了 |
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哪個部會負責?我們本來不是農業部那現在就是看是不是經濟部那邊用生財契機我認為是經濟部農業部也都可以都有不論是在農業部的生財契機也有在經濟部的生財契機也有當然今天可能沒有來另外一個經濟部的另外一個單位今天沒有來我們看這個特別條例生財契機寫得清清楚楚 |
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然後呢我們看這個經濟部所訂的那個生財契機復原辦法第三條生財契機復原補助就算沒有列了也要修啊該修法或修辦法都沒有關係啊對不對他當然要啊畢竟這個是一個挖土機是最普遍最常用的是一定要用的 |
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任何工程一定要用的水利署用的更多所以這個部分要趕快處理就是經濟部沒有辦法定很清楚然後呢相關的這些規定要請這個工程會跟今天在場的經濟部次長要跟這個相關的你們的那個所屬單位定了這個 |
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太嚴格的辦法還有登記這是一般啦但是因為災害發生所造成的對不對你只要證明地方政府農業農業單位或者是農會或者是誰證明確實是有這個何況花土雞不會臨時跑出來啊那麼大的東西 |
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所以這個部分很容易證明只要是確實有就算是沒有執照什麼那些因為有時候過期啦有時候買賣之間沒有那些證據都有可能所以這個部分要請這個工程會經濟部這邊趕快去處理小小的錢所以這個最後經濟部那個水利署水利署留著其他就回座 |
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這個部分這一次仍然沒有去處理本席針對這個從110年10月1號就開始協調關心也質詢這個是112年9月3號海葵颱風沖刷就造成了這個所以呢 |
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水利署你們也誠心反覆本席說這個沒有不會怎麼樣啊事實上這一次今年 去年9月23號馬太安西醫院社福潰壩就造成鳳林鎮三期段174至179水就是從花蓮溪啊 |
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就這樣流下來啊 流進去啊就造成了這個 就這樣進去然後你看這個農田都被淹沒了農田都被淹沒未來這個地方會更危險 為什麼呢馬灘溪光復鳳林這邊都加固加高了 對不對加固加高了然後阿多摩那邊的地方也加固加高了 |
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然後鳳林鎮的那個公墓下方的那個被上次923的時候被沖毀了你們也重建加固加高了 |
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那未來那個十一整個水直接就這樣流就會流到這裡就會流到這裡是不是跟委員報告一下這個是不是容我們就再馬上檢討也約委員到時候再給我們指導一下因為確實受到去年的颱風影響以後整個河道的狀況不太一樣 |
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那該去做自己計畫的檢討有些是原來不用不提的不斷但是現在隨著現在情境的改變或許要重新來做一些加強保護這個我們再請回給我們知道我們再一起來努力至少有兩次的風災造成災情是謝謝我們再研議一下好謝謝好我們謝謝 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-05-21T10:04:24.012000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:04:34.334000+08:00 |
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主席，有請行政院公共工程委員會副主委、農業部部長，還有經濟部次長。 |
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主席 |
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2026-05-21T10:04:35.346000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:04:40.369000+08:00 |
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好，我們請農業部、經濟部跟公共工程委員會。 |
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| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-05-21T10:04:40.369000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:05:46.115000+08:00 |
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首先，各部會以後要回復委員的質詢，就要提到預算法第五十四條，你們是最清楚的，預算法第五十四條規定延續性的計畫可以繼續用，你們也都知道，你們去年114年度的決算，我都看了，都是90%以上，也就是延續性的計畫，你們的經費90%以上都可以繼續用，何況立法院有主動依預算法第五十四條，對於新興計畫也都通過了，所以這個經費根本就是非常充裕，而且是非常非常的不用那麼早……而且已經發包的話，到時候立法院刪了…… |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-05-21T10:05:46.695000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:05:58.538000+08:00 |
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我跟委員報告，所有的預算，要真正的審查通過，我們才會安心的去使用，所以我還是麻煩委員能夠支持我們的預算…… |
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1 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-05-21T10:05:58.778000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:06:01.118000+08:00 |
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部長，我問過很多部會，我也是老公務員30年了！ |
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| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-05-21T10:06:02.038000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:06:16.364000+08:00 |
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沒有審然後可以用，每個部會都私下跟我講立法院沒有審、沒有通過「傻瓜、傻瓜」，用原住民的用詞，立法院「傻瓜、傻瓜」。 |
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0.826 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-05-21T10:06:20.167000+08:00 |
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我們先看這個影片，這跟農業部有關係，這是5月15日，也沒有很大的雨，我問我在那邊的鄉親，他說也沒有很大的雨，結果就造成了佛祖街這邊淹水。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-05-21T10:06:46.480000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:06:54.105000+08:00 |
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上次也謝謝召委，我們安排說要去處理這些，結果還是淹了，你看！ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-05-21T10:06:55.987000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:07:46.061000+08:00 |
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接下來我們看這個特別條例第四條，農田的土石要挖掘、要清運、要換土，就是因為沒有執行，當然你們很多的理由是希望能夠維持，不要挖走，但是到現在那麼久了，也沒有結果，所以你把這個進度，你們原來規劃希望要徵收、要做什麼……你們不想挖嘛，佛祖街那邊，你們沒有要依特別條例，農田土石沒有要挖掘、清運、換土，沒有要這樣做嘛？ |
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0.956 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-05-21T10:07:46.061000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-21T10:07:47.061000+08:00 |
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對不對？ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
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2026-05-21T10:07:46.762000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:07:58.687000+08:00 |
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我跟委員報告，整個農田覆蓋的部分774公頃裡面，有一大部分是重災區，因為它的土石有的大到一、兩米，這個挖本身是比較…… |
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0.918 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-05-21T10:07:58.687000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-21T10:07:59.687000+08:00 |
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我知道。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
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2026-05-21T10:07:58.687000+08:00 |
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所以不是我們不願意去處理，我們一定是非常認真的去協助我們農民復耕，這個是我們一直在處理的。 |
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1 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-05-21T10:08:08.111000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:08:24.351000+08:00 |
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部長，我之前一再去了解、去問你們，你們是說因為你們希望維持這樣、希望能夠造林，它已經成為小山了，就成為小山、造林，你們的規劃是這樣啦。 |
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0.983 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-05-21T10:08:24.351000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:08:39.440000+08:00 |
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沒有，這個因跟果可能要稍微跟委員說明一下，就是因為它的高度有的到達一米、兩米的部分，在挖的時候，我們是先從50公分以下去處理的，所以我們希望用比較好的…… |
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0.955 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-05-21T10:08:39.440000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-21T10:08:40.440000+08:00 |
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部長，我沒有反對。 |
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0 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-05-21T10:08:39.520000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:08:40.260000+08:00 |
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我知道，我想這個因果…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-05-21T10:08:40.260000+08:00 |
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我沒有反對，但是不要再造成這樣的災情，也沒有很大的雨，何況接下來的颱風，當然我們不希望颱風到花蓮去，更不希望到光復去，但是這是臺灣的特性，這個部分要請農業部加油。 |
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0.918 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-05-21T10:08:59.422000+08:00 |
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接下來，這是跟經濟部水利署有關係，東富村阿陶莫部落也是因為這次5月15日發生了積水，就是因為相關這些縣管河川，是不是這樣？ |
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0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-05-21T10:09:24.687000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:09:25.528000+08:00 |
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是不是因為縣管河川？ |
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0.667 |
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林署長元鵬 |
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2026-05-21T10:09:27.668000+08:00 |
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2026-05-21T10:09:36.171000+08:00 |
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對，報告委員，當初我們進入花蓮溪，在阿陶莫這邊有五條野溪是縣政府正在做的工作。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-05-21T10:09:36.531000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-05-21T10:09:37.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
農業部部長先回座。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-05-21T10:09:39.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-05-21T10:09:41.933000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
這五條野溪，因為本來是要做…… |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-05-21T10:09:42.273000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-05-21T10:09:43.074000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
等一下。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-05-21T10:09:46.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-05-21T10:09:49.961000+08:00 |
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這邊就是造成像這樣的野溪。 |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-05-21T10:09:49.961000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
1 |
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2026-05-21T10:09:52.152000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
是，野溪因為正在做…… |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.125 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-05-21T10:09:52.152000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-05-21T10:09:54.343000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
就是這張圖，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-05-21T10:09:54.343000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-05-21T10:10:06.527000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
對，因為正在做鋼板樁的保護，加高起來，但是因為施工有一個缺口，當初那個施工的缺口沒有完全補起來，隔天我們行政院有派員到現場去看…… |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.879 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-05-21T10:10:06.927000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-05-21T10:10:41.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
我知道，我今天再提出來，就是大家都知道5月是防汛期，然後也要謝謝公共工程委員會主任委員，還有我們的政委季將軍，在4月底之前，最起碼兩、三次，所以都已經開了協調會報，希望防汛期要怎麼樣，顯示出還是有疏漏，所以要加強。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.904 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-05-21T10:10:41.615000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-05-21T10:10:58.505000+08:00 |
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更要加強，中央跟縣之間、各部會之間，確實還是有需要加強的地方，還好沒有造成相關更大的災情，但是一定要防範，不要再發生。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.981 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-05-21T10:11:00.266000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-05-21T10:11:29.073000+08:00 |
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事實上，你們的經費水利設施編列85億元，而且還要包含給地方政府花蓮縣政府這些縣管排水治理的改善，所以真的是地方跟中央要密切合作，何況又有公共工程會整個統合，大家互相去協助、支持，要繼續加油。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-05-21T10:11:29.593000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-05-21T10:11:30.214000+08:00 |
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是，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-05-21T10:11:30.214000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-05-21T10:11:32.176000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
工程會跟水利署也請回座。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-05-21T10:11:35.779000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-05-21T10:11:42.165000+08:00 |
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上次召委召開台糖的一個會議，我們鄉親說挖土機沒有辦法補助，現在到底誰來負責補助？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.892 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-05-21T10:11:49.579000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-05-21T10:11:50.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
挖土機。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-05-21T10:11:50.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-05-21T10:11:50.862000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
工程會這邊開會有…… |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-05-21T10:11:56.319000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-05-21T10:12:04.481000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，挖土機其實並不算是在農業設備類的補助範圍內，因為一般我們比較少用到挖土機…… |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-05-21T10:12:04.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-05-21T10:12:05.082000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
所以呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-05-21T10:12:05.622000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-05-21T10:12:06.062000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
就不補助了？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-05-21T10:12:06.202000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-05-21T10:12:20.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
所以上週在行政院我們開了第7次的協調會報時，陳金德主委、政委有特地把這個議題拿出來，請相關部會來研議一下，是不是從那些生財器具設備方面研議，看如何能夠來協助。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-05-21T10:12:21.066000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-05-21T10:12:21.746000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
好，這個已經這麼久了。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-05-21T10:12:25.261000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-05-21T10:12:27.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
哪個部會負責？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
李副主任委員怡德 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-05-21T10:12:27.821000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-05-21T10:12:30.822000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
本來不是農業部，現在就看是不是經濟部那邊用生財器具…… |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-05-21T10:12:31.262000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-05-21T10:12:32.082000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
我認為是經濟部啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-05-21T10:12:32.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-05-21T10:12:48.765000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
農業部也都可以、都有，不論是在農業部的生財機具也有，在經濟部的生財器具也有，當然今天可能沒有來，經濟部的另外一個單位今天沒有來。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.948 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-05-21T10:12:48.765000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-05-21T10:13:16.441000+08:00 |
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我們看這個特別條例，生財器具寫得清清楚楚，然後我們看經濟部所訂的生財器具復原辦法第三條，生財器具復原補助，就算沒有列，也要修啊，該修法或修辦法都沒有關係，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.918 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-05-21T10:13:16.881000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-05-21T10:13:35.973000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
當然要啊，畢竟挖土機是最普遍、最常用的，是一定要用的，任何工程一定要用的，水利署用得更多，所以這個部分要趕快處理，就是經濟部沒有錯，辦法訂得很清楚。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-05-21T10:13:37.094000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-05-21T10:14:38.009000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
然後相關這些規定要請工程會跟今天在場的經濟部次長，要跟你們相關的所屬單位，訂了這個太嚴格的辦法，還有登記，這是一般，但是因為災害發生所造成的，只要有證明，地方政府、農業單位或者是農會，或者是誰證明確實是有這個，何況挖土機不會臨時跑出來，那麼大的東西，所以這個部分很容易證明，只要是確實有，就算是沒有執照或什麼的，因為有時候過期了，有時候買賣之間沒有那些證據，都有可能，所以這個部分要請工程會、經濟部這邊趕快去處理，小小的錢。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-05-21T10:14:39.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-05-21T10:14:42.533000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
經濟部水利署留著，其他就回座。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-05-21T10:14:45.046000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-05-21T10:15:53.468000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
這個部分這一次仍然沒有去處理，本席針對這個部分，從110年10月1號就開始協調關心，也有質詢，這是112年9月3號海葵颱風沖刷造成的情形，水利署也曾經函復本席，表示這個不會怎麼樣，事實上，去年9月23號馬太鞍溪堰塞湖潰壩，就造成鳳林鎮山崎段174-179地號農田受災，水就是從花蓮溪流進去，你看農田都被淹沒了，未來這個地方會更危險，為什麼呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.816 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-05-21T10:15:56.488000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-05-21T10:16:01.149000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
馬太鞍溪光復、鳳林這邊都加固、加高了，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-05-21T10:16:03.169000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-05-21T10:16:26.557000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
然後阿陶莫那邊的堤防也加固、加高，鳳林鎮公墓下方的那個部分在上次九二三時被沖毀了，你們也重建加固、加高，未來那個溪的整個水就會直接流到這裡啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-05-21T10:16:29.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-05-21T10:16:35.085000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
跟委員報告，這個是不是容我們再馬上檢討？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-05-21T10:16:35.085000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-05-21T10:16:42.771000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
也約委員到時候再給我們指導，這邊確實因為受到去年颱風影響，整個河道的狀況不太一樣。對、對。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-05-21T10:16:44.712000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-05-21T10:16:57.939000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
應該去做治理計畫的檢討，有些原來不用布堤的部分，隨著現在情境的改變，或許要重新來做一些加強保護，這個再請委員給我們指導，我們再一起來努力。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.825 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-05-21T10:16:58.719000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-05-21T10:17:00.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
至少有兩次的風災確實是造成災情…… |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-05-21T10:17:00.960000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-05-21T10:17:02.021000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
好，這個我們來努力，謝謝，我們再研議一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.529 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-05-21T10:17:02.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-05-21T10:17:02.861000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
好，謝謝。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-05-21T10:17:03.361000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-05-21T10:17:05.361000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
謝謝鄭天財委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-05-21T10:17:05.661000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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2026-05-21T10:17:08.803857+08:00 |
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接下來請鄭正鈐委員質詢。 |
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