| IVOD_ID |
169518 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169518 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-21T09:51:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-21T10:04:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/14c66ee36e76b85cc5c8c1678d542142ca1860e2f1c42d1af929c1ba330123fb326b0209a3ccd1cb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱議瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:51:09 - 10:04:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣糖業股份有限公司董事長、農業部部長、行政院災害防救辦公室首長、行政院公共工程委員會首長、內政部首長率國土管理署首長、交通部首長、原住民族委員會首長、財政部國有財產署首長、國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會首長及衛生福利部首長就「全台各縣市汛期防洪防災工程準備情形及花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖災後復原重建工作」執行進度及預算運用進行報告，並備質詢。
【5月20日及5月21日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席我請一下農業部長請農業部陳部長部長好部長我想還是先請教一下這個關於農業的問題這幾天在高雄有強風有短時的強降雨尤其是在美濃地區讓您看一下這個照片在5月16號的時候在美濃地區的最大陣風大概是9級 |
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短時強降雨大概是30.5mm這個是在美濃的極東氣象站所測到的所以你看這些稻米大概都倒伏那現在的問題是這樣跟部長來進行一個討論這個災損我們規定的災損是要全區到達20%才會有災損補助但是你可以很清楚看到我這張照片 |
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右手邊絕大部分因為這個稻米田區是比較早種所以它已經結碎在這個短時強降雨及強風的狀態之下它倒伏了旁邊那一塊地看起來還比較完整還比較好因為它是比較晚種 |
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所以他種植的時間不一以致他節稅的狀態不一那如果按照我們現有的標準要全區20%的話其實會有很多的農民是沒有辦法 |
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得到這個所謂的災損補助但就他們來講這些已經準備結稅的已經結稅的稻米完全倒伏的狀態底下其實他的整體的耕作面積大概已經都超過50%以上所以部長有沒有可能我們有一些分階段的做法分區段的做法 |
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能夠來協助農民 減少他們的損失好 謝謝委員對水稻的一個關心那因為水稻的這些天然災害救助跟我們的水稻收入保險是並行的那您剛才講的這些特別是在屏東地區也有非常多的有一部分是早種那早種的部分的時候因為它節稅以後很容易遇到風倒伏的部分但是它有可能沒有辦法達到我們天然災害救助的那個標準 |
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那因為現在標準並沒有去修的時候但是我想我已經應該我們同仁大概5月18號有去看過你們同仁有下來看嗎但是因為我們都是用全區的平均在計算所以他當然達不到所謂的全區啊那有沒有可能我們就針對 |
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真實的災情針對現況有的已經是就是他整個田區是倒伏了但是你要比照美濃整個全區的耕作面積的話那他當然打不到啊我想這分兩個部分第一個部分就是天然災相關的這些辦法可能要做調整但是還沒有調整之前我覺得針對 |
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比較早種島芙的部分可以用相關的這種專案的方式來協助啊也許他因為島芙以後他的收穫可能相對的比較困難那困難的話他這些收穫本身的費用可能會比較高一點那我們有沒有可能在這個方面用一些專案的方式來協助那我想我會會後我會請農業部研究一下我們會請農家署這邊去了解一下那後續 |
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要不要去改天然災救助的一個相關的遊戲規則我們再來看怎麼樣的處理這個部長我想也是要請您協助啦這個畢竟對農民來講這樣子的倒扶他很容易他其實他的損失是非常巨大但是他達不到全區百分之二十的話他沒有辦法收到所謂的災損 |
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補助所以這個也請部長這個也請您協助好那我接下來要請教一下這個我們今天要來談所謂的防災防汛的整治包括特別提到馬太安溪我是不是請相關的部會包括災防辦國土署水利署是不是都能夠一併上來我請教一下這個單位 |
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115年度的總預算其實到現在還沒有過 |
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115年度的總預算還沒過那但是呢在上一次有一次院會的時候我們曾經表決了有一部分的排水經費是有先行通過請農業部水利署國土署就你們各主管的這些預算是不是能夠來簡略說明一下這些錢你們現在打算怎麼用能夠用多少 |
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不然農業部的部分我們分兩個部分在馬太安的部分是用任性特別預算那相關的任性特別預算我們是撥到基金裡面去所以用基金的方式處理它相對的是比較有彈性一點所以我們會針對它的進度去處理那第二個部分是整個這個撥地的房債的部分大概是80億啦那80億的部分因為現在總預算沒過但是它其中有一部分赤山防紅的部分是有過那這個部分我想我們會先用 |
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那因為自災防洪的部分的工程款的部分他的付款可能會在年公以後你現在講的東西都是只有跟馬太安溪有關嘛對不對對一部分是馬太安溪那全台的自災防洪我覺得全台不是只有馬太安溪是危險啦全台的自災防洪的準備計畫 |
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我們大概有80億,那這個80億裡面,那大概主要的工程設備的付款的期限大概是在年中以後去處理的部分所以你的執行進度是如何?年中以後去付款,那你們現在執行進度是怎麼樣? |
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我們的工程核定率是90.5%工程核定90.5%現在已經陸陸續續在做了所以我們也真的期待就是說我們的預算能夠在盡量在五月底六月初就能夠完成來 水利署呢 |
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你們通常這個災防撤離或者是包括剛剛您講的抽水機的購置你的預算夠不夠?錢夠不夠?跟委員報告那這些錢其實會列在我們剛剛核定的4年1000億補助縣市政府的計畫裡面有4年的錢那第一年是編147億 |
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那經濟部份是有編100億其他市區是給各部會的那這100億的錢裡面就會包含有些排水的整治跟抽水機等等這些構置的狀況都會含在那裡面都要含在裡頭那你們對於現有的比如說你現有的在汛期快要來了嘛你現有的河川整治你現行急需的清單有沒有包括每一次 |
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這個我們都會有這個黃色警戒紅色警戒總是會列一個清單這個應該是你們跟這個農業部一起共同合作嗎這些清單名冊也沒有都列出來是 |
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這個是各縣市要提供給你們還是怎麼樣因為這個可能是災害部分 等一下可能災防辦那邊可能會比較清楚我們水利署這邊理論上是在做工程的推動那剛剛跟委員報告是這個地方管的排水我們中央管也有155億所以我們一整年的計畫在這兩項是有達到250億左右的錢 |
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這樣有辦法嗎?有辦法你的治災防控有辦法嗎?國土署蔡署長您從地方上來你最清楚這件有辦法嗎?國土署這裡可以做什麼?跟委員報告其實在今年的部分我們那筆預算總共是29億那也依照程序我們跟各縣市政府大概都有做過一些相關的會議那目前已經簽到那個部裡面要去核定這些工程案現在才準備要核定啊? |
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是因為預算還沒下來 所以你們不敢提前做是不是沒有 那一筆是已經可以去動之的我們已經有跟部長報告過那有些前置作業也拜託縣市政府先開始啟動這個部分都有講了那這個排水的預算 我想各縣市政府提出來的需求非常多當然如果依照這個需求是不夠的 以上報告來 那個災防辦呢 |
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我請教一個最基本的問題這一張圖您看一下高雄跟花蓮的比較同樣是颱風的撤離一個是黃色警戒 一個是紅色警戒高雄可以在一個小時之內就完成撤離1797人那花蓮呢 超過30個小時 |
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沒有辦法撤離超過8000人沒有辦法撤離我要問的就是說這一些名單比如說該撤離的名單不只花蓮未來的這一些有可能的這個紅色土石流警戒區的周遭的這些名冊 |
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三房辦有沒有辦法掌握有沒有辦法全程掌握有沒有辦法落實撤離的這樣的一個動作是跟委員報告就是我們這次剛剛在報告中有提到我們其實這樣到高雄的六龜我們就有親身去看其實縣市政府包括第一線的公所這邊對於土石流洪荒警戒或者是水災的保全或者是義城孤島地區的名冊其實都會有確實的掌握甚至在 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
585.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
609.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
你講的是六龜我們當然是全程掌握啊你現在不要拿高雄來比啦高雄我們是全程掌握啦包括誰住在哪裡里長都要確實掌握誰把他背下山誰把他載去哪裡這個被撤離的居民住在哪裡誰來負責照顧他誰來負責送餐高雄市的SOP都非常清楚我要請教的是說那花蓮呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
610.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
637.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
台東呢其他的地區呢未來如果有發生這樣子的大規模的災難該撤離的時候這一些名冊你們有沒有掌握有沒有辦法掌握有沒有辦法落實下去執行是跟我們報告這些名單在固定每一年在汛期前的整備全部縣市政府都要把它盤點清楚我們這次到地方去訪視的時候也有逐一去看他們的保全清澈是不是有更新到最新的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
638.146 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
660.003 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
所以災防辦跟地方政府這邊對這些名單都有確實的掌握那當然剛剛委員提到就是撤離的速度跟效率這個部分的確某些縣市政府在執行的不管是經驗上或者是落實度上的確有差異這個部分災防辦會持續去輔導他們這個我想是這樣今天雖然排定的議程師在講馬太安溪但是全台灣的紅色 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
661.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
675.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
土石流紅色溪流其實還是非常的多該防的該做整備的不是只有一個馬太岸溪那既然災防辦會主責這些所有的事情應該要結合各部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
676.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
696.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
的這一些防災的演練需求比如說我剛剛講國土署蔡署長他在這一方面就相當有經驗因為他在高雄被磨這麼久了每次只要高雄有水災他當水利局局長的時候他都是第一線到現場去看所以他是非常有經驗那這一些經驗不只是 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
697.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
721.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
坐在高雄應該是全台去分享哪一些地方有這樣子的需求或者是這個SOP其實都應該要比照辦理比照把它建立起來當然我比較關心的除了這些SOP的建制包括撤離的這個完成以外經費的需求啊那我也要特別藉這個機會要懇請我們的主席是不是能夠趕快排審 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
723.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
747.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
經濟部的預算這個總預算我們4月22號就已經詢答完了到現在超過正好今天一個月是不是能夠趕快把我們的總預算排審今年已經快過一半了那今年的總預算到現在還沒審馬上九月份明年的總預算又要來了這個我也要幫你們請命沒有錢你們什麼事情都做不了在這裡講自災防洪沒錢怎麼自災防洪要買抽水機沒有錢怎麼買抽水機現在先撥一筆預算給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
753.691 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
770.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
但是這個預算到時候在省總預算的時候又被砍那你的錢從哪裡來所以這個我還是要特別請我們的會議主席能夠多多支持啦既然大家這麼關心自災防洪這個總預算這預算的錢一定要給足給夠好謝謝 |