| IVOD_ID |
169512 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169512 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-21T09:21:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-21T09:34:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/14c66ee36e76b85c6cd629bd703500086a23d741002eb060f929c1ba330123fbe391b23e5ee14c115ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
沈發惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:21:22 - 09:34:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於總統府主管（不含中央研究院）收支部分。
【預算提案於5月21日上午10時30分截止收件】
【5月18日、20日及21日三天一次會】） |
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主席我們先請總統府潘秘書長請潘秘書長潘秘書長早這個我想從這個 |
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這個月十五號這個川習會結束到今天大概是六天的時間那這個川習會結束在整個川習會的過程看起來我們外界沒有辦法得知在川習會過程裡面所出現的狀況但是在從川普總統離開 |
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15號離開在空軍1號上面他就有發表他那時候就有提到說他將與掌管台灣的人談過之後在不久的將來做出決定這是他第一次提到 |
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那這個在川普離開北京之後我想這個川習會的這個整個效應在對於這個整個台海議題台美關係真的是投下了一個巨大的漣漪那這個 |
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幾次川普總統對外談話都造成國內外不小的震盪也引起國人高度關注跟焦慮今天是我們總統府還有我們國安會第一次到我們等於在川習會第一次來我們有機會立法院有機會來了解我們在這整個過程中我們國安單位怎麼樣因應我們國安單位怎麼看待我們國安單位怎麼面對接下來要面對的狀況 |
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那這個我剛才提到說,這個川普總統的15號在飛機上提到說他要跟掌管台灣的人談一談結果昨天,昨天那時候我們一開始大家認為說可能川普總統大概是會透過什麼樣的管道來跟我們對話或傳話或者大家怎麼樣進行對話結果昨天,昨天這個就在他們這個美國這個 |
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馬里蘭州的安德魯聯合基地我們的川普總統他也透過白宮的快速回應帳號他直接說記者問他說你會不會跟台灣的賴總統談記者這樣問川普就在昨天他就直接講說I will speak to him |
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我要跟他談這是他第二次講了時隔五天第二次講說I will speak to him也就是川普總統明確的表達他要跟拜總統對話請問潘兵部長這個部分我們現在做了什麼樣的準備如果這個齁 |
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如果川普總統真的跟賴總統直接進行對話那是台美關係40年來第一次真正的官方直接的對話這是第一次上一次我們小英總統跟川普通電話的時候他還沒就任 |
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這是如果說川普總統照他所講的 這個是第一次台北最高 高峰直接對話這個請問 台北部長這部分我們有什麼樣的準備跟 |
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好 謝謝沈委員的推詢針對川習會之前到進行當中以及結束登上空軍一號甚至一直到落地到回到美國本土那國安會總統府都高度的關注在這個川習會之前在進行當中每一天到結束那當然川普總統在離開 |
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這個北京之前接受福斯裡面的一個預錄的專訪到空軍一號在對記者的所講以及大概回來之後然後又開了一些相關的談話那這個部分總統府充分總統 |
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充分掌握了相關的資訊國安會以及總統府包括外交部都有相當的掌握那同時呢在如果目前我們沒有接到任何相關的一個通話如果有通話的話也會來跟大家來做說明這五天就川普講這兩次說要跟賴總統對話這兩中間十個五天有沒有任何的管道 |
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或者有任何的這個方式來跟我們做表達說可能要做這樣的準備或者說有什麼樣的意見的傳達有沒有我想我們台美之間的關係暢通暢通無阻而且不管是美國國會不管是眾議院參議院包括這個國務院 |
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以及這個在台的機構這個AIT國安會外交部跟總統府都保持著非常大的暢通溝通相當好那而且今天早上國務院的發言人也對外發布了一個公正式的郵件也同時也跟大家來分享這個國務院的發言人同時那重申了美國對台的承諾持續的依舊如同40年來的堅定的立場 |
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那他們也表明對台的政策不但不會改變仍然還是以台灣關係法六項保障協定跟中美三個公報來進行這樣的一個這個海海這邊的一個未來的關係的工作的指引那發言人更是說明了 |
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他講說我們期待與賴總統及我們的台灣夥伴來持續合作以推進雙方共同的利益並維護台海和平穩定我想這一段國務院的發言咧秘書長你看我的這個簡報就是今天早上7點45 |
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國務院給我們的郵件就是提到MU長剛剛所提的這個是最新美國國務院對台灣最新的回應他們保證我們對台的政策沒有改變然後他們依然以台灣關係法美中三公報以及六項保證為指引這個他講得非常清楚同時他還敦促北京停止對台灣施加軍事外交及經濟壓力這個是很清楚 |
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那這個我是不是請我們國安會接下來比較詳細節的問題那秘書長你是不是先請回休息秘書長剛才我這個所詢問這個我們潘秘書長的這些問題這個我們現在比較關心的就是說這個川習會他只是三天的過程 |
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但是從川普離開北京開始在控制軍銷上面發表意見接下來甚至可能一直到9月現在已經確定9月習近平要回訪華府習近平要到美國訪問中間這段時間我想川習會的三天並不是重點而是從川普離開 |
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離開北京之後我想台美關係這樣子的相關議題的辯論相關的議題的這些討論我想在華府會變得非常的激烈而且會變成一個非常主要的議題在華府進行討論這個過程我們國安單位有做什麼樣的準備有做什麼樣的因應 |
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非常謝謝委員的催訓,的確這是一個對我們台灣來講非常重要的議題美國對我們來講是一個非常重要的國家,很多人說是最重要的關係也因此我們跟美國之間的關係是要保持全面的友善的關係 |
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那不管有什麼樣的這些發言那我們跟美國的這個結構性的關係都是非常友善的那剛剛潘秘書長也講就是我們跟美國的各個層面都保持非常密切的聯絡所以在媒體上面最近我們有看到很多的這些支持台灣的聲音 |
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那我必須要跟委員強調的就是台美甚至是全世界都有一個共同的利益就是台海和平穩定那在這一方面我們跟美國的立場是一致的不只立場一致我們的利益一致利益與共啦事實上現在這些波折齁我們只要掌握一件事情就是台灣跟美國事實上在台海和平上面利益是相同的完全是相同的一點都沒有錯那這個所以我剛才會講 |
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我們川普總統他在離開之後川普總統對於這個他參席會之後他對台灣議題有各種不同角度的發言那這些發言這個 |
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事實上接下來馬上例如說國會美國眾議院他有就表達了眾議院的立場像這個我們剛剛看到的國務院在今天早上國務院也講得很清楚甚至聯合國秘書長他也講說這次川習會並沒有任何的重大突破但是關鍵都還是在於我講的九月習近平回訪在這過程當中尤其是現在開始 |
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在川普總統離開北京之後在對外發表這些意見之後他勢必在華府會引起對台灣議題的一些討論一些爭辯 |
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這個都是我們應該要因應的啦但是因為我們也有一個就是我們掌握住台灣跟美國其實在台海的利益上面是完全一致的國家利益是一致的所以這個是基本上可以掌握但是在這個一致的國家利益之下我們如何去在接下來這個討論裡面 |
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讓華府在美國對於台灣議題的討論的時候能夠更加理解台灣現在所碰到的困境更加理解台灣目前政府所做的努力我想這是最重要的事情對不對沒有錯 完全贊成委員的意見除了我們台灣必須要去面對中國的擴張主義以及軍事威脅之外第一島鏈的所有國家通通都必須要去面對中國的擴張主義 |
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那在這一點上面我相信美國政府美國國會都非常的清楚那在一個利基點上面我們也會跟美國保持非常密切友好的關係好這個部分齁在因為時間的關係齁最後我個人提兩個 |
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建議因為我相信我們國安單位我們總統府各幕僚單位大家事實上現在大家都繃緊神經而且都是全力以赴全力以赴的在處理相關的問題但是我個人提兩個建議第一個就是說定義現在的狀況我個人認為現在我們的整個國安團隊在對美關係上面 |
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694.431 |
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716.485 |
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的團隊、隊形是不是應該要做調整跟檢討在這個過程裡面我們是不是能夠更精確的表達台灣的整個在台灣整個民主化過程中台灣現在目前維持現狀所做的努力以及現在的現狀之下台灣人民主權的立場好這個我認為說我們在從現在開始在整個 |
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717.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
725.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
對美的這個工作的團隊我認為應該可以做一個檢討跟調整因應未來更加重要的這個時機這是第一點對美團隊的這個調整 |
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730.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
750.903 |
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第二個在這個時候我們除了在加強全面強化對美的工作之外我們這個要更加的強化我們跟其他與台灣安全命運與共的盟邦之間的溝通透過跟我們命運與共的盟邦 |
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752.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
776.968 |
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跟我們他們對台灣的理解來影響整個來形塑整個台海局勢在未來的整個佈局我們話不能講得很白但是我的建議是這樣我是希望說我們能夠除了對美以外我們同時在這個時候更加強化與我們利益與共利益一致的這些盟邦 |
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778.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
800.695 |
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而且透過這些盟邦大家共同來傳達對於台海和平我們維持現狀的決心對於中國對破壞現狀的這樣子的做法我們所做的相關的因應要讓國際社會及美國了解好不好謝謝委員的指教剛剛第二點就是我們正在努力的方向那委員的看法跟我們的看法是完全一致好謝謝謝謝委員 |