| IVOD_ID |
169503 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169503 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第10次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第10次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-20T16:24:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-20T16:40:31+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:05 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e8e93c7ebde79baee82032d392dee05e7568857f6f1e6f3bf57941b4e5e85ff910461491437e869a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:24:26 - 16:40:31 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-20T14:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第10次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「本（第5）會期延長會期至115年7月31日止。」是否有當？請公決案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、總統彈劾案事項。（5月19日上午）四、「保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力計畫第一批發價書採購特別預算案籌編相關事項」專案報告。（5月19日下午）五、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、國防部部長及相關部會首長列席報告保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力計畫第一批發價書採購特別預算案編製經過並備質詢。【如經本院同意行政院籌編特別預算案則於5月20日(三)下午加開】六、5月15日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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主席、在場委員、先進、列席的政府機關上的官員、會長、共同夥伴、媒體記者、女士先生有請我們卓院長還有顧部長跟拱部長麻煩請卓院長、國防部長、經濟部長備詢 |
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總委員好院長好兩位部長好來我們現在來看看一個東西請問院長跟部長你們用過AI去生成圖片嗎 |
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有沒有來我剛剛我來之前我要AI幫我生產一個武器我說要符合四個條件第一要遠端傳輸第二要是裝在移動的載具上然後要有處理資訊的能力而且要能夠達成軍事爆破的功能不只如此我說你還要是用成熟的技術最快可以量產而且非常便宜就跑出這個東西出來你們覺得這是什麼 |
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一個老爺腳踏車上面放著一個PC個人電腦一根竹竿綁著一個手榴彈這樣東南亞的地方一個游擊隊在用這是什麼 顧部長你說這個對 這叫做FPV 自殺 第一視角自殺式的武器好 我說這樣不行 這樣太low了要美軍製造的他就考出這個圖出來 |
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其實無人載具說穿了就是這四個嘛遠端傳輸用手機跟遙控嘛要移動的載具管他是車船還是飛機然後呢要有軍事爆破的能夠達到效果本身還有資訊處理的能力不過就是腳踏車加個人電腦加個手榴彈然後用手機啊有很難嗎來我們來看一下院長 |
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軍購案刪賭行政院後續的規劃我們看到媒體報導說軍購預算刪賭了3780億川普說對台軍很快決定其實我們都在關心所有的刪掉商購跟委資對國防影響全球都在看台灣怎麼強化國防還有只通過7800億後續的規劃如何補足缺口院長會不會覺得有點不太樂觀還是你覺得正面看待軍購特別條例通過 |
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在這次特別條例跟特別預算討論的過程當中我們當然發現很多的阻力那有沒有正面的當然也有 到最後通過了7800億之後也得到了一些 至少有一部分但是也讓美方感到非常的失望是的 那我幫你總結一下從國際的角度來看這個特別條例通過後是台灣展現了捍衛主權 自我防衛的決心 對不對 |
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而且在野黨他不敢背後,他還是要到處通過就在院長出國前趕快通過所以這是全台灣社會的共識不分朝野,是不是這樣子這是正向的但是轉現決心有共識那怎麼樣來真的守護台灣的民主自由呢我們來看一下還是有不足的地方 |
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他仍然在呈現了國會多數在野黨 他說只用軍購回到傳統的思維沒有商購 沒有委制 有發價書才有預算而且要以美國 美軍現役的武器 美國製造的才來限縮這個軍購這是傳統的思維 很難對應未來的戰場請問未來的戰場的形態是什麼 |
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部長你覺得未來戰場的心態是什麼我們來看一下我看到這個圖啊說票投國民黨啊 孩子上戰場啊票投民進黨 無人機上戰場如果你是民眾你要哪一個來 國部長你不是國防部 你會要哪一個要無人機上戰場嘛 是不是好 所以未來的戰場應該是什麼 往下看其實呢 如果真人上戰場跟無人機上戰場後者的成本低很多啊 |
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再來門檻來講要打造核子潛艦很難可是要組裝無人載具不困難 |
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但是台灣是要用無人機去攻擊中共嗎?院長是我們的意思嗎?不是,我們是害怕中共攻台的時候它用無人機海消耗我們高架的攔截飛彈讓我們台灣自動產業破口它用速浪壓制就像烏克蘭去攻擊莫斯科攻擊後方一樣造成破壞低成本的無人機造成台灣大量的損害這才是我們最擔心的對不對 |
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那請問部長那我選擇的話我會選擇票投國防預算台灣不會上戰場好 這樣子很好來 郭部長隊伍無人機是不是還是要靠無人機 |
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對付無人機也要靠無人機嘛現在已經有發展所謂的用攔截機這樣的名稱那其實就是一種無人機但是我們這次發現商購跟偽製都刪掉了就刪掉了什麼刪掉了無人機嘛所以呢很多民間在呼籲院長你說過還有三條路可以走第一個是再提軍購特別預算第二個在原預算擴大追加預算的規模第三個放到我們的年度預算這三者可行嗎 |
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這是我們遇到憲法跟預算法裡面我們現在想到的那我們如果去找到一個最有利的途徑還有民間人士提到第四種就是趕快要提出一個無人佔據特別條例什麼叫做無人佔據我們來看一下 |
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其實不是無人佔據而是要創建無人載具的產業今天英國的海軍之所以強大不是英國買了無敵艦隊而是英國有龐大的造船產業當年的大清國為什麼家府戰敗因為他是跟外國買軍艦 |
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但是呢 買軍又沒有用所以後來才有江南製造局 才有自己的軍備工業 才有普遍到民間所以如果是無人戰具 它除了搭載武器它除了有徵收的功能 它除了反制干擾之外拿掉這三種無人載具 它可以做空中地面 水面 水下它其實是什麼 日常的生活應用啊我就說嘛 它就像一個無人 它就像手機去操控有PC電腦 有一輛腳踏車 |
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這就是一個另類的無人載具就這麼簡單有很難嗎沒有什麼高科技好我們往下看所以我們來看看烏克蘭烏克蘭在冷戰時期前蘇聯時期它是蘇聯的軍火庫啊它可以做出核子潛艦啊它的工業技術能力很強啊 |
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但是你看看那時候的烏克蘭沒有賺到半點便宜喔在烏二戰爭之後烏克蘭發展了什麼電子產業、客廳工廠它的無人載具不是在龐大的軍工廠生產的是在很多的家庭、公寓裡面組裝出來的一年有五百萬架有沒有很成功?院長你不覺得烏克蘭還滿成功的? |
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你覺得呢 院長數量還有對付俄羅斯 有沒有成功阻擋俄羅斯的攻勢有部分是成功的 但是要持久數量要夠 要持久要持久 要數量夠所以無人載具呢 我們其實要的是產業鏈不是只是商購 也不是軍購 也不是偽製而是要創造一個供應鏈那這樣的無人載具供應鏈缺什麼呢我們來告訴一下 國務部長這個你很熟悉啊 |
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這些都是我們台灣從工業起飛之後工業部門我們經濟部陸續成立了一共九個財團法人從最早的紡織到精力的什麼食品到精力的所謂的自行車精力的運動鞋還有精密工業工具機到後來的塑膠 |
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國務部長是不是這樣子政府要讓產業在地方有一個生態系要有方法要有工具有沒有缺了一個什麼最重要的這些產業都是傳產嘛有工具機有自行車有球鞋缺了什麼缺了我們台灣最強的電腦手機跟晶片啊那個是誰出的那個是支車會啊支車會在68年成立的 |
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所以台灣的政府要幫忙推動產業的時候他都會有一個工具、要有一個平台來整合民間的部門目前無人採取產業有任何一個嗎?沒有啊,目前我們看一下分布在哪裡目前的產業發展歸經濟部最普遍的應用在我們2016年、2017年修民用航空管的時候增加那個遙控無人機專章主要送來紙保機就噴農藥的 |
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但是我們後來發現有治安防護的問題,為後來的抒發部管有所謂的社平管理是NCC管還有使用管理上空域、海域、民防局跟航港局以及後來的應用包括救傷、送藥是所謂衛福部跟消防署 |
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一個無人載具的產業可以有這麼多的非軍事的應用但是到目前為止政府沒有一個專責的單位來管理它這個產業跟生態系的建立所以法規分散 資源分散就是主要產業請問行政院願意支持整合無人載具的法規嗎就像我們海覽七法一樣院長 我覺得海覽七法做得很好整合各部會的法規 交通部 但是它不在交通部啦 |
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我們無人載具產業需不需要整合法規我們目前只有經濟部有一個無人產業發展的統籌型計畫而已但是金屬中心沒有辦法去發展法制化的能力我來告訴各位需要什麼無人載具的發展需要一個創建產業的特別條例 |
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什麼叫創業產業我們看特別預算法特別條例大概有三個特質第一個非經常性是突發性的戰爭天災人禍或者說他跨年度編列預算的才能排除預算法的限制再來他在階段內有排除一項法規我舉個例比如說2008年馬總統時候有個振興經濟所以是什麼發消費券然後有個擴大公共建設就是擴大內需 |
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最有名的就是什麼 莫拉克重建莫拉克不只有預算 還有排除一些水保環保的一個評估法案能夠在短期之內重建這些法後來都終止了 因為任務完成了我們蔡英文總統任內有什麼 有前瞻基礎建設前瞻基礎建設有天災嗎 有人禍嗎 有土壤狀況嗎 沒有啊就是要去積極地打造一個台灣未來現代化需要的基礎建設地方政府都很歡迎嘛 |
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可不可以用特別預算 可以啊可不可以用特別條例 可以啊所以無人載具的量產迫切 |
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郭部長,無人採訪難道等中共打來了才需要嗎?不是啊,要提早準備啊你需要這麼多的國防需求,量這麼多,有突發性、急迫性然後我們採購的量大,需要跨年度的預算然後它的法規現在分散這就是用特別預算、特別條例的最佳時機啊所以是個產業創建特別條例不是一個國防採購特別預算 |
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接下來我要去按照來五年五千五百億來打造一個創建一個無人載具產業好不好我們看過去的特別條例大概有排除作用法有匡列跨年度的預算政府採購過去我們扶持半導體產業院長管部長有沒有一個特別條例 |
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沒有但是我們有產業創新條例有產創條例產創條例經常性的修改根據我們的半導體電子產業的需求不斷的加不斷的加現在有這樣的綠能對不對有這樣的儲能對不對有這樣的地熱對不對但是沒有預算 |
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是因為台灣就很成熟的外銷市場在支撐這個產業但是無人載具目前市場在哪裡外銷的都是零星的 零組件所以如果說我們有一個產無人載具特別條例有政策優惠然後有跨越預算有採購去刺激供給帶動商機強化後勤能夠外銷國際還能夠滿足內需 |
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不是只有什麼政策補貼不是只有什麼水電、土地、貸款還有利息的優惠請問院長如果融合了政策優惠、匡列預算採購來刺激創建無人載具的產業供應鏈你支不支持 |
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如果我們從這個市場的需求跟技術研發等方面甚至我們用更多的法規必須調整或鬆綁來形成一個產業鏈的話那是值得來做思考就像現在我們在編一個中小微企業的轉型生意條例一樣我們現在要集中支援我們現在就告訴你它需要什麼這供應鏈需要什麼 機翼馬達 電控晶片我們台灣有龐大的中小企業有傳產的供應鏈 還有最先端的晶片 |
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這些集合起來,不是一個掛著手榴彈上面載著個人電腦的自行車,就是無人載具這個要完整的生態系統建構,那需要什麼呢?我告訴你需要什麼?我們現在只有無人機聯盟、漢翔擔任主席、兩百六十幾家廠商去國外拿訂單,然後沒有了 |
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我們國內有什麼?現在我們需要是明定組織機關,整合政府資源,統合業界需求,帶動商機,提升後勤的產能請問誰來主政?剛剛陳婉婷委員說要由經濟部主政,我後來休息之間看到顧部長跟廣部長在說你那你那你那 |
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我覺得就是行政院主政但是未來可能部會上比較接近經濟部發展產業的性質但是預算可能用在大部分的內需需求是我們的國防部院長你覺得怎麼樣 |
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至少我們剛剛講的統籌型計畫是副院長在主持的我們那個無人載具產業發展沒有立算啊沒有法規啊副院長只能協調各部會啊所以我現在要給我們希望國會通過一個創建產業的特別條例給形容那個工具未來就算是國發會主政還是副院長主政就像當年的前瞻基礎建設一樣八年八千八百億 |
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各國都有編預算然後行政院強力推動這就是目前我們賴總統施政卓院長你領導之下我們已經有這個基礎我們過去這個統籌型計畫已經是有這樣的組織了雖然他並沒有很大的我是建議院長你先想一想我們要講完你先想一想不用急著去拒絕今天很多委員都是希望有一個特別條例我只要講完 |
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我無人載具我問了好幾次我問過交通部有什麼有大型無人貨機的跨境空中物流運輸你沒有想過無人貨機可以做跨境的空中運輸沒有我問過海巡署海上的無人艦艇可不可以應對滋擾跟查緝走私 |
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署長說,副主委說可以我問國防部,是不是我們來建立無人艇部隊,而且要採購改用以租賃代替採購的方式部長說,願意帶回去研究所以他說的是說,這個是非常重要的,所以最後的結論就是這樣,好不好,可以帶回去研究研究一定不會停止,現在我們希望希望你支持一個特別的政策,創建 |
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謝謝邱家斌委員 |