| IVOD_ID |
169492 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169492 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-20T11:30:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-20T11:43:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e8e93c7ebde79bae1c92ca75807754d73847d5ba5f471420c1cc10fc392248b2b2c76d9d4ef1a3e25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:30:31 - 11:43:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：邀請原住民族委員會主任委員率同所屬及財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長與財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長列席報告業務概況(含上會期臨時提案辦理情形) ，並備質詢。） |
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主委好主委好剛剛那一句話叫什麼 撒卡路 |
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我們今天本席要跟您談的是我們原民會有沒有建立一個原鄉生命線道路的韌性戰略 |
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我們原鄉不能一直活在這種落實的陰影之下所以主委我今天要談的是我們原住民部落的生活權生存權還有安全回家的權利 |
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我相信您應該知道今年二月在新竹縣的竹122縣瑞豐隧道前大量落石突然崩落當時警察跟民眾都在場據時從山壁這個整個砸下來大家拔腿狂奔媒體說生死一瞬間 |
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在去年我們這個司馬庫斯去年9月3月跟9月都有發生大規模的攤房旅客受損部落交通中斷物資進不去最後在第一時間出動大型機具的不是中央也不是大型的工程單位而是部落自己 |
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所以主委我必須很沉重的說我們台灣最美的山林後面不能永遠藏著最危險的回家道路所以首先我要請教您新竹的尖石跟五峰這幾年是不是常發生落石、攤方、邊坡滑動還有道路中斷 |
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你知道嗎?是嘛,所以很多都是發生在我們原住民的主要聯絡道路上所以這表示什麼?表示這不是單一的災害而是我們原鄉的交通韌性長期不足所以我們一條道路中斷,整個部落就被孤立 |
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孩子上學受影響 老人家看病受影響我們的農產品也運不出去 整個觀光也停擺所以主委 本席請教您 原民會有沒有建立高風險原鄉道路資料庫有沒有 回答有或沒有有 那請問有沒有完整的盤點哪些道路最容易落實 |
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報告我們總共盤點是1500多公里的原住民部落聯絡道路然後呢我們也知道哪些易滋災路段以及易形成孤島部落那本市剛剛說的竹一、一二二線有沒有那部分是線道不是我們主管的道路喔所以這就是問題這個線道交通部的選擇對對對好交通部的選擇這就是問題所在 |
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五峰鄉啊他最重要就是這條道路你整個原住民部落就是這條道路你就一句說啊這個是交通不全責所以本席接著就要問你你原住民原民會你每年都有部落聯絡道路的改善計劃原鄉的建設計劃防災減災的預算 |
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可是這一條是原鄉部落他最主要的道路你就一句交通部好啊那交通部我請教你他跟所有其他這個人口密集各方面交通部面對的是全國但是我們原住民原住民的部落原住民的鄉鎮 |
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包委員那個交通部的深圳大陸計劃以及提前大陸品計劃有針對原鄉部分他特別匡列一部分預算我就請教你122線長期這樣請問解決了沒嘛你說啊解決了沒 |
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所以本席要說的是那你今天如果都這樣的話我們為什麼有園民會園民會我們就是特別要照顧我們原住民園民會最了解原住民的需求嘛所以我們五蜂箱的這個重要最重要而且唯一的道路長期如此 |
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那我們鄉長代表會主席副主席我們所有的代表村長全部是我們原住民這個的朋友那他們很無奈所以我覺得我們這個原民會這裡那這個整個是都是我們原住民的部落你們應該可以想辦法我請教你部落聯絡道路改善你可不可以 |
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補助經費 不行 這有規定所以這一個部分有些不行的你就要專案嘛你就要提跟中央討論嘛我本席現在來講其實很多特別需要專案的那就是要有人去爭取我們全國的自來水偏遠地區他們永遠都比不贏這些都會區 |
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所以本席在第八屆的時候十幾年前我就特別跟行政院跟中央提出來你要分這個一般的還有偏遠地區偏遠地區要有專案那今天你們是原民會你原民的鄉鎮情況就這樣了長期這樣無法改善主委總是不能做事不管吧 |
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所以當然規定也是人定出來的而且與時俱進你看我們立法院很多的法案我要跟著社會的變化跟著地方的需求我必須提出來啊所以我相信也不只是武風堅實我覺得全國可能都有這個問題 |
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所以你們應該要特別針對因為你是原民會嘛我們原住民族的部落他碰到了什麼瓶頸不要就用官方的回覆嘛啊這不行這個找交通部好啊那你們原民會來幫他這個交通部我們也在爭取但是你整個原民會你還是要想辦法讓你這個照顧部落尤其你又叫做部落聯絡道路他五峰就那一條道路耶 |
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十幾年了沒有辦法改善這情形不能做事不管吧好所以哪些道路容易有落實你們說有盤點那我122線應該在裡面哪些部落最容易被孤立你們真的要去關心一下你身為原民會你就是得關心嗎好再來針對這個落實的部分你們有沒有 |
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原民的部落大部分在山區嘛對不對那請問有關這個邊坡的監測還有一些落實現在都已經進入了這個AI的落實監測請問原民會建立了沒 |
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還沒不知道對 所以你們是比任何單位你們幾乎照顧的 全國的當然我知道可能有一些我沒去過的他不是在山區那個是道路他本身有他主管機關的選擇那所以土地 |
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是屬於他們全組他們要負責他各機關邊坡他也是有全責的分工我只能坦白說我們沒有全國的那你們可以建議嘛因為你面對的都是這種山區的各個部落那你們這邊可以建議啊我想到底主管機關應該有監測資料這部分我們會來瞭解所以我們真的希望原民會齁能夠升級成為原鄉生命線道路的統籌者 |
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因為道路也是對我們原住民的生活非常非常重要的所以你們沒關係 那因為時間的關係你們我可以做一個簡單的回應嗎 針對道路 道路的部分好 請各位報告就是說目前道路分好幾種 一種叫農路 還有公路 |
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公路可能是交通部我們面對的道路我們在各個部會裡面都有道路改善的中長城計畫那這個中長城計畫會在國發會去審議那我們在參與的過程裡我們都會表達你原住民的部落鄉鎮他十幾年來都沒有辦法 |
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類似像生活圈我們因為參與這個計畫訂立所以我們有表達原住民的這個連外的部分公路的部分請他們也納入所以剛剛委員提的關切的幾個個案什麼時候提的我們參與這個計畫審查的時候在國發會我們會提供你年年提年年沒有是這樣嗎它是中商者計畫那我跟委員報告剛剛委員提的這些個案我們都可以去了解然後我們可以來協助 |
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好 那你們那個 我們來協助一下 我們會協調一下你們跟國科會這個 定期什麼時候開會國科會 國發會 就是有新的中長長計畫審查的時候國發會會請各部會表示意見 那針對原鄉地區的道路我們都會表達就應該這樣 就是各部會一起協助原住民主地區道路的這個 |
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任性的提升,不是只有我們原民會一個單位可以完成但是你們要主動為原民發聲嘛然後去整合其他部會,因為你們就叫原民會這個原住民族尤其這一些原民部落他們的聲音你們一定要幫忙,我們當然也都在協助嘛所以,好那剛剛,不好意思這位是?副主委 |
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副主委還有副主委我拜託你們你們要積極主動來了解這十幾二十年了應該十幾年了十幾年一直一直在希望可以改善都沒有改善而且就是唯一一條最重要的道路至今沒有所以應該是交通部有你們這邊如果可以協助我也怕交通部給的也不夠我們來協調交通部跟新竹縣政府 |
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新竹縣政府當然也是但是我覺得原民會既然有那幾個項目應該要給他這個定義或對象你要廣泛一點不要這樣限縮嘛他照道理他就是啊因為每個每個地方的環境不同嘛好不好我們馬上去了解好所以所以本席現在最後再問一下我們原鄉高風險道路 |
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你們有沒有建立譬如說落實的高風險還有哪些最容易孤立遇到宇宙危險的全面盤點然後我們也希望原鄉道路可以建立這個AI監測跟預警系統 |
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你們本席所講的我希望你們一個禮拜內能夠給我們你們盤點的結果我們真的不希望都是靠人為的在那邊監控那個落實打下來就打到人我們希望是建立AI來監測現在的科技全國大概都要朝向這方面所以原民會也應該可以加速 |
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那再來就是原鄉生命線道路韌性計畫這個部分我們希望原民會可以開始來進行包含邊坡的治理防落石的工程替代的路網韌性設計長期的防災這個部分我們希望你們本席今天提的你們能夠在一個禮拜內能夠給我們一個回應好 |
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那最後我想我們請原民會永遠記住一句話我們原鄉不能永遠活在落實的陰影之下這個尤其很多主要道路就那一條你們一定要想辦法改善不要讓原鄉我們的原住民朋友們都一直活在這種陰影之下三不五時就發生三不五時就發生可以嗎好加油謝謝 |