| IVOD_ID |
169487 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169487 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-20T12:16:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-20T12:25:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e8e93c7ebde79bae3bf246c272d82310b2ebd91c2d73985bc1cc10fc392248b24e5686418a82e3265ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡易餘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:16:20 - 12:25:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣電力股份有限公司、台灣糖業股份有限公司。(詢答)
【所列預算提案於115年6月5日(星期五)下午5時截止收件】
【5月20日及5月21日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席那我們是不是有請經濟部拱部長經濟部拱部長還有台堂董事長請台堂董事長 |
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部長好,我想跟部長聊一下,台港在新港有一個農場,這個農場就是靠近台37線,台37線就是所謂的高鐵這條 |
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這條大河再往南不久就是嘉義科學園區也就是現在台積電的一個廠房那我們地方長久以來都認為說這一塊農場事實上是很適合把它發展為所謂的一個產業園區那因為發展成產業園區 |
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它透過整個高鐵的這個橋下的一個道路跟現在加科所在的台積電大概就只有10分鐘的一個路程一個車程那而且在這裡的話如果可以開發因為這裡面就這麼大兩百 |
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65公頃那我們可以來做部分的一個開發利用讓這個周邊整個效益可以整個帶動起來所以我們是希望說經濟部類有沒有可能再做這一塊土地來發展為產業園區來進行所謂的一個評估的一個開發的一個計畫呢可以啊 我記得好像有在評估當中 |
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以目前看起來都沒有所謂實際上的動作台湯應該這邊也知道啦 因為現在目前就是要再做盡量吃啦 沒有實際上再評估我們在那個新港龍潭面積有309公頃309 比我寫的還要大那個現在大部分都種植甘蔗 包括那個青龍的合作經營32公頃 |
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西南車有4.9公頃是嘉義新城他去設置那個垃圾掩埋場對那所以這個要開發我們是 |
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同意配合政府的政策啦 由西地能量機關以前期租用或合作開發的方式來取得用地謝謝對 所以因為主要就是說這條就是大個體卡這條路啦 要串聯到加科啦所以我們如果真的要利用的話 應該就是比較利用在比大樓高 |
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事實上來這裡來做一個整體的開發利用基本上對於未來因為台積電現在未來他的全球佈局COWAS在嘉義嘛他可能需要更多的他的相關的一個供應鏈那這一個園區因為地方期盼很久 |
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過去這個賴總統來到新港的時候也有去針對這一塊這一個農場認為說他確實有開發為園區的一個潛力那只是說看起來這幾年來在評估的力道上似乎慢了一些所以柏廷我希望說這部分可以讓你來加速評估那我們請那個園區管理局來做評估 |
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大概評估的結果再跟委員做說明好那這個就麻煩部長阿弟弟的齁還是針對這個跟台糖啦齁事實上台糖齁有不少的再生能源廠阿這些再生能源廠大概都是跟所謂的電商就是太陽能商是合作的就由他們去開發那台糖大概是收三成四到五成不等的一個這個發電收益沒有錯嘛以合約的架構是長這樣 |
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但是我們也知道說以現在整個太陽能也說綠能啦綠能在全世界趨勢就是R1-100的趨勢之下台灣的綠能是嚴重不足變得說所有的科技公司類他如果有要外銷到歐盟的國家的他需要更多的綠能 |
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他有這樣的需求所以以我這樣了解起來現在科技公司在跟所謂的電商他們在訂合約然後去買他的綠電的時候事實上是遠超過台電公司的兌售電價沒有錯吧 這個部長這件事情沒有錯吧 |
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台電公司 你說不是 我是說現在科技公司如果去買這些綠電是會比台電 直接賣給台電價格還要高嘛對還價格會高嘛 所以他才會選擇不是 案場的部分他們都直接賣給這些科技公司了就賣給科技公司嘛他跟台電分手了 |
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對,就跟台電分手,就是科技公司所以我現在要說的意思就是說因為台糖目前還是擁有很多的案場那這些案場,事實上如果在合約上有可能把它轉給這些科技公司那對台糖的收益也會提高那為什麼這件事情沒有辦法去進一步的去著手我想對於那些案場的電商,他也許也可以考慮 |
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那這一點是台糖我覺得你可以去督促因為第一這個是一個多贏的一個方向第一個就是說台電不用直接再去買買這一個電那科技公司需要綠電那這一這個廠商他如果經過這樣的一個轉換之後那台糖的收益會提高因為他賣的就提高了嘛他賣的價格提高我們現在就有賣了因為如果那個電價比 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
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353.47 |
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給台電的高化已經有那個有兩家很有名的我們那個跟我們合作的他們也有賣標給友達給秦創大概我們有賣1.1 |
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357.084 |
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1.1億度給友達所以這個我們已經在做了有在做了嗎對謝謝好那既然有在做應該就是我感覺啦如果這是一個趨勢啦如果轉換就是說只是一個合約的轉換沒有困難的應該是要全面推動啦對齁你這裡的電就不用買台電了科技公司有需要就都讓他們去進行啊我們企業數量變了就有就比台電還高就賣給那個企業 |
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有啦,有在進行,有在進行就好我最後,那台長可以先回那我最後還是要跟這個部長這邊,因為部長這個也感謝你在三天前有來嘉義,那也大概 |
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400.576 |
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去救我們嘉義未來在發展整個無人機那你有做了一些產事而且你也期待嘉義未來要把這個整個無人機的聚落這件事情以及相關的一個供應鏈飛鴻創造打造飛鴻供應鏈這件事你也希望嘉義可以負起這樣的一個地區的責任那我們現在想要跟院長說事實上 |
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以我們現在嘉義做所謂無人機的一個創新應用的一個研發中心也就是所謂的雅創基地類那這個雅創基地類目前你們是委託給金屬公司對 金屬中心對 就是這個金屬中心金屬中心來做這個雅創的一個整體的發展計畫那我的 我現在要 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
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部長說啦 如果無人機是未來我們一個非常重要的一個產業的話你把他委託給金屬中心的話事實上大家會比較傻不?說資金屬中心在管這個亞創所以他有沒有可能成立一個單獨的一個行政法人無人機的一個中心 |
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然後再由這個中心來管類似我們雅創中心這樣看起來這個才會展現出我們對於整個投入無人機讓他們專業專責直接就可以投入這樣的管理如果成立行政法人曠日廢時的話那是不是可以在金屬中心就直接再成立一個新的單位就直接是管轄無人機這樣起來這裡的人才會有固定 |
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固定性而且他們可以有更多的能量來推動整個台灣以及在嘉義在發展整個無人機的一個發展那部長這是不是可以考慮看看是 報告委員因為上面來講您這邊圖案就有嘛這是才 |
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512.269 |
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產業署在做統籌接下去他們因為有不同的地方亞創中心就是剛才講金光中心金光中心它有專屬的單位它有一個處專門在做無人機的負責的的確是這樣金光中心事實上在無人機的能量也是非常非常的強的 |
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我們在跟國際的簽這個MOU的時候事實上有些是金屬中心是幫忙在做簽的沒有錯沒有錯因為金屬中心目前是在這一塊他就扮演他的角色嘛那我們是希望說他就是一個專責單位然後直接就是對接我們的亞創中心那至少這樣的話方向明確而且未來的話有一些到底這些無人機的業者他要怎麼跟金屬中心對接會更明確化了好不好好 |
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那這部分是不是部長可以再去督促一下我們會把這個再弄清楚再把它分清楚這樣子謝謝 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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謝謝主席，請經濟部龔部長、台糖董事長。 |
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主席 |
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請經濟部龔部長、台糖董事長。 |
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0.333 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-05-20T12:16:40.090000+08:00 |
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1 |
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蔡委員好。 |
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0 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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部長好。 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-05-20T12:16:44.208000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:17:26.062000+08:00 |
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我想跟部長聊一下，台糖在新港有一個農場，靠近臺37線，臺37線就是高鐵這一條路，這一條路再往南不久就是嘉義科學園區，也就是現在台積電的一個廠房，我們地方長久以來都認為這個農場很適合發展為產業園區，因為發展成產業園區，它透過高鐵這一個橋下道路，跟現在嘉科所在的台積電大概只有10分鐘的車程。 |
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0.914 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-05-20T12:17:27.344000+08:00 |
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而且這裡如果可以開發的話，因為它的面積很大，有265公頃，我們可以來做部分的開發利用，讓周邊的效益可以整個帶動起來，所以我們是希望經濟部有沒有可能針對這一塊土地發展為產業園區，來進行一個評估開發計畫？ |
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0.889 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-05-20T12:17:46.014000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:17:46.474000+08:00 |
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可以啊！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-05-20T12:17:46.494000+08:00 |
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我記得好像有在評估當中。 |
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1 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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以目前看起來都沒有實際上的動作，台糖這邊應該也知道，因為這裡目前還在種甘蔗，沒有實際在評估。 |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
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2026-05-20T12:18:11.675000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:18:13.675000+08:00 |
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報告委員，我們新港農場的面積有309公頃。 |
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0.438 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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309公頃，比我寫的還要大。 |
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1 |
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吳董事長明昌 |
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那裡現在大部分都種植甘蔗，包括青農的合作經營有32公頃，西南側有4.9公頃是嘉義縣政府設置垃圾掩埋場，所以這裡要開發我們是同意配合政府的政策，由需地機關以租用或合作開發的方式來取得用地，謝謝。 |
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0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-05-20T12:18:51.819000+08:00 |
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對，主要是因為它剛好是高鐵下這條路，就會串聯到嘉科啦！ |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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所以我們如果真的要利用的話，應該利用比較靠近大馬路的這邊，在這裡來做整體的開發利用。 |
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0.744 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-05-20T12:19:00.645000+08:00 |
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基本上，因為台積電未來的全球布局，CoWoS在嘉義，它可能需要更多相關的供應鏈，那這一個園區因為地方期盼很久，過去賴總統來到新港的時候也有針對這個農場，認為它確實有開發為園區的潛力，只是說看起來，這幾年來在評估的力道上似乎慢了一些，所以部長，我希望這部分你們可以加速評估，好嗎？ |
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0.874 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-05-20T12:19:35.650000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:19:40.893000+08:00 |
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好，我們請園區管理局來做評估，評估的結果再跟委員做說明。 |
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0.96 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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好，這個就麻煩部長。 |
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1 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-05-20T12:20:05.651000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
第二個，還是針對台糖，事實上台糖有不少的再生能源場，這些再生能源場大概都是跟電商合作的，就是由他們去開發，台糖大概是收三成到五成不等的發電收益，沒有錯嘛？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.859 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-05-20T12:20:06.252000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-05-20T12:20:07.092000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
以合約的架構是這樣。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-05-20T12:20:07.973000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-05-20T12:20:43.519000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
但是我們也知道，以現在整個太陽能，也是綠能，綠能在全世界趨勢，就是RE 100的趨勢之下，臺灣的綠能是嚴重不足，變成所有的科技公司如果有產品要外銷到歐盟國家，需要更多的綠能，有這樣的需求，所以以我這樣了解起來，現在科技公司在跟電商訂合約，然後去買它的綠電的時候，事實上是遠超過台電公司的躉售電價，沒有錯吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-05-20T12:20:43.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-05-20T12:20:44.960000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
部長，這一件事情沒有錯吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-05-20T12:20:51.060000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-05-20T12:21:01.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
我是說，現在科技公司如果去買這些綠電，是會比直接賣給台電價格還要高嘛？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-05-20T12:21:01.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-05-20T12:21:02.327000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
價格會更高嘛，所以才會選擇……對。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-05-20T12:21:03.488000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-05-20T12:21:06.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
案場的部分，他們都直接賣給這些科技公司了。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-05-20T12:21:06.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-05-20T12:21:07.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
就賣給科技公司嘛，那科技公司…… |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-05-20T12:21:08.851000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-05-20T12:21:09.952000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
跟台電分手了。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-05-20T12:21:11.272000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-05-20T12:21:11.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
跟台電分手？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-05-20T12:21:14.354000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-05-20T12:21:32.403000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
所以我現在講的意思是，因為台糖目前還擁有很多案場，這一些案場，事實上，如果在合約上有可能轉給這些科技公司，台糖的收益也會提高，那為什麼這件事情沒有辦法進一步去著手？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-05-20T12:21:32.523000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-05-20T12:21:42.228000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
我想，那些案場的電商也許也可以考慮，這一點我覺得你們可以去督促台糖，因為這是一個多贏的方向。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-05-20T12:21:42.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-05-20T12:21:58.398000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
第一個，台電不用直接再去買這些電，科技公司需要綠電，廠商如果經過這樣的轉換之後，台糖的收益會提高，因為它賣的價格提高了。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.907 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-05-20T12:21:58.598000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-05-20T12:22:19.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
我們現在就有賣了，如果電價比給台電的高，有兩家很有名的跟我們合作，他們也有賣給友達、群創，大概我們有賣1.1億度給友達，所以這個我們已經在做了。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-05-20T12:22:20.185000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-05-20T12:22:20.685000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
有在做了嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-05-20T12:22:21.785000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-05-20T12:22:21.785000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
對，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-05-20T12:22:21.785000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-05-20T12:22:37.609000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
好，既然有在做，我覺得這是一個趨勢，如果只是一個合約的轉換，沒有困難，應該要全面推動，這些電不用賣台電，科技公司有需要，就都給他們，就這樣去進行。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.873 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-05-20T12:22:37.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-05-20T12:22:45.569000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
我們契約書裡面本來就有，比台電還高，我就賣給企業。有啦？都有。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-05-20T12:22:45.969000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-05-20T12:22:46.449000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
有在進行就好。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-05-20T12:22:47.229000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-05-20T12:22:47.409000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
好，台糖可以先回。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-05-20T12:22:48.690000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-05-20T12:23:14.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
我最後還是要跟部長討論，部長，也感謝你在3天前有來嘉義，就我們嘉義未來發展無人機，你有做了一些闡釋，而且你也期待嘉義未來建立整個無人機的聚落，以及對於打造非紅供應鏈這件事情，你也希望嘉義可以負起這樣一個地區的責任。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.878 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-05-20T12:23:14.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-05-20T12:24:46.788000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
我們現在想要跟部長說的是，事實上，以現在嘉義無人機創新應用研發中心，也就是所謂的亞創基地，目前你們是委託給金屬中心來做亞創中心的整體發展計畫，我現在要跟部長說，如果無人機是未來非常重要的一個產業，你把它委託給金屬中心，事實上大家會比較找不到頭緒，不懂為何由金屬中心來管亞創，所以有沒有可能成立一個單獨的行政法人，就是無人機的中心，然後再由這個中心來管亞創中心，這樣才能展現出我們對於投入無人機的專業專責，直接就可以投入管理，如果成立行政法人曠日廢時，那是不是可以在金屬中心就直接再成立一個新的單位，直接管轄無人機，這樣一來，這些人才會有固定性，而且也可以有更多的能量來推動整個臺灣及嘉義的無人機產業發展，部長，是不是可以考慮看看？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.898 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-05-20T12:24:47.268000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-05-20T12:25:06.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
報告委員，您的圖片上就有，就是由產業署做統籌，接下去因為有不同的地方，亞創中心就是剛剛講的金屬中心，金屬中心有專屬的單位，有一個處專門在負責無人機的，的確是這樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.836 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-05-20T12:25:06.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-05-20T12:25:17.244000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
金屬中心事實上在無人機的能量也是非常非常強，我們再跟國際簽MOU的時候，事實上有一些是金屬中心幫忙在簽的技術合作。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-05-20T12:25:17.564000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-05-20T12:25:18.344000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
沒有錯，沒有錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-05-20T12:25:18.344000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-05-20T12:25:21.865000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
因為金屬中心目前在這一塊是扮演它的角色嘛。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-05-20T12:25:22.665000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-05-20T12:25:39.629000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
但我們希望它就是一個專責單位，直接對接我們的亞創中心，這樣的話，至少方向明確，而且未來到底這些無人機的業者要怎麼跟金屬中心對接，這部分會更明確化，好不好？是、是。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.877 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-05-20T12:25:40.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-05-20T12:25:43.873000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
這部分部長是不是可以再去督促一下，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-05-20T12:25:44.114000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-05-20T12:25:47.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
好，我們會把這個再弄清楚、再分清楚。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-05-20T12:25:47.658000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-05-20T12:25:47.658000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-05-20T12:25:48.158000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-05-20T12:25:50.158000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
謝謝蔡易餘委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-05-20T12:25:50.458000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-05-20T12:25:54.172286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
羅智強、羅智強，羅智強委員不在。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-05-20T12:25:54.472286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-05-20T12:25:58.186571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
蘇清泉、蘇清泉，蘇清泉委員不在。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-05-20T12:25:58.486571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-05-20T12:26:02.200857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
賴瑞隆、賴瑞隆，賴瑞隆委員不在。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-05-20T12:26:02.500857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-05-20T12:26:06.215143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
羅明才、羅明才，羅明才委員不在。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-05-20T12:26:06.515143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-05-20T12:26:10.229429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
接下來我們請陳冠廷委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0 |