| IVOD_ID |
169484 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169484 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-20T12:05:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-20T12:16:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e8e93c7ebde79bae65b943572b3bc332b2ebd91c2d73985bc1cc10fc392248b2edfb78fde1fab8a35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
呂玉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:05:12 - 12:16:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣電力股份有限公司、台灣糖業股份有限公司。(詢答)
【所列預算提案於115年6月5日(星期五)下午5時截止收件】
【5月20日及5月21日二天一次會】） |
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接下來我們請李毅嶺委員質詢謝謝主席請工部長請工部長 |
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好 部長在近年碳排和能源轉型的政策推動之下我們太陽能跟離岸風電被視為台灣再生能源的兩大支柱但是在離岸風電這個部分我們政府也投入大量的資源也有在扶植我們本土的產業希望它可以複製成半導體產業的成功的案例但是國際上的原物料的高漲的情況之下 |
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導致了這個海事工程的成本跟施工船舶的這個租金跟我們燃油價格的飆漲還有缺工的這個問題等等所以讓離岸風電的開發商在設置這個離岸風機的這個進度上有嚴重的這個落後的情形那本來是2030年的離岸風電要達到13.1 GW後來這個裝置容量的目標也下修到10.9 GW請問一下這個目標還會再下降嗎 |
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應該是我們盡量維持盡量維持 所以很沒有信心 只用盡量而已我們甚至於看看能不能超前超前 超前下降就是原來下修的部分稍微把它回復本席會這樣子問你就是因為我們看到了在我們的離岸政策這方面我們本來採取三項階段性的策略 |
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示範的獎勵跟我們潛力的長子跟區塊的開發這個部分在這個潛力長子這部分台電的二期豐電這個升威剛剛講到升威已經在虧損了那台電也本來是估計4月份今年的4月份就要完工併網那現在因為成本的關係升威他可能就在6月13號就要下市這種情形之下已經沒有辦法去再承擔這個工程了 |
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沒有沒有 深威它是本來就不是是富威所以富威它還會持續所以你說是工程 可是是深威標趣嘛那深威負責這個工程嘛富威 富威標趣只是深威它是富威的母工程所以你認為它的工程會繼續不會影響因為那個合約對象是富威嘛是 那所以我都不想要提醒你就是說因為他們整個財務狀況的惡化會不會影響我們整個豐電的這個供期喔這個情形你們要做一個整個機制上的調整 |
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對 我們會注意 我們會注意一定要讓這個工程順利完成那剛剛都有提到像台電的二期豐電的這個危機已經是面臨著我們豐電整個政策上這個已經是很困難的困境之下已經是冰山一角了那如果我們再追下來我們的區塊開發來講的話區塊開發是更資產不忍睹的尤其是在第一期這部分 3G這部分 |
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有五家這個風廠的這個得標廠商已經有兩家要跟我們解約了一家已經做不下去了剩下兩家再繼續做在這種情形之下整個工期也會延宕像本來在2026年到2027年的話我們準備要來那個併網的發電已經延到2028年像這種情形剩下這個風沙風廟跟這個海聖這個來施工那其他的工程是不是繼續延宕呢 |
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報告委員就是31、32當初選商的確是產生了一些問題啦那我們儘快當然有一些廠商他已經解約了那解約這個解約那誰來承接呢這風產還在我們會儘快的33之後現在我講這個31的31兩家解約一家做不下去財務狀況的問題 |
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那你看三資二 三資二是要三家對不對那有一家又是佑德 佑德又碰到這個聲威是虧損的 萬一他又做不下去呢因為這個風場還在 所以他的風場只是時間往後遞延 空間他不會消失所以你是說2028年也做不到就往後遞延囉 繼續遞延囉稍微遞延大概一兩年 |
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那請問一下三之三 三之一 三之二都虧損解約做不下去 工程延宕那三之三會不會發生無人來標的情形不會 你有信心 不會我們現在是在選商當中 就是公告當中還在選商嘛 還是不確定有人會標啊據我們了解應該會有啦 |
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好 如果有人得標 那本席要在這邊提醒部長就是我們很多的裝置容量這部分三之一 三之二都有嘛如果他們工廠延宕是沒有打標的話 沒有做出來那三之三就要承接這工作囉 對不對它是分開的 它是分開標的那三之一 三之二沒做到的呢 |
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那這裝置容量呢您的意思是說它原先3133它解約了像原來的話你海頂2的話它做600MW的部分如果已經解約像這樣已經解約了它的解約它在標我們33的時候它會被扣分 |
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他不會再飆那33飆到人要不要把這個繼續承攬做下來啊33他是另外廠商在飆的啊那這32的部分咧沒有人把他接下來嗎他那個風場會空下來我們會另外招飆因為在另外去做因為已經解約了就另外不會再33的人來承接不會不會所以又是一筆龐大的費用 |
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欸 招標還好咧 沒有付出什麼樣的費用那你們解約有收到一些違約金嗎?都有嘛 都照程序來進行那部長 之前我們看到我們投入這個離岸風電已經陷入這種情形了我們希望你們能夠趕快的再調整這些機制不要把它停滯掉 不能停滯掉 好不好接下來就是三之三了那部長 接下來要請問的就是我們 |
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桃園龍潭龍科三期原來之前的話因為土地的問題所以我們整個公聽會就有在延緩那經過本席跟我們客管局跟市府的溝通協調在去年的11月跟今年的1月開了兩次公聽會得到各方的共識我們捍衛所有住戶的權益跟產業的發展 |
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目前來講我們整個申請的範圍在104公頃那竹科也在整個的籌劃中已經把他交給國科會了大概會在預定會在7月份交到行政院 |
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這個部分 那請部長這邊 那行政院趕快去審核下來但是現在最重要的是有消息傳出台積電要進駐農科三期那這些我們會擔心台積電進來 它用電量會可不可以穩定就像它甚至說要規劃設置這最新的這個奈米四代的廠房所以供電這個部分要非常的穩定那供電的話 鄭董事長 |
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這跟你有關係的 你有重要的角色喔因為整個配套勢必要超前部署那你們有準備我知道你們有準備的話就是說目前提出兩個方案第一個方案就是大潭電廠1號機到6號機你把它升級那另一方面的話 你就說要新建10號機請問一下你們有再做選擇嗎那個我跟委員報告幾件事第一件事情這個是那個時候我們等於是總經理的跟媒體的見面會講到的事 |
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我們總經理是發電的系統的頭嘛然後他其實過去他只要進到一個電廠他就知道說哪個地方可以增加電源怎麼樣他就直接回答了這件事但農科如果要做真正的核心問題在電網那這件事委員其實關心很久啦因為我們其實我們同仁要去拉新的電網怎麼做 |
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其實委員或是您的辦公室 您的服務處都有參與我講簡單一點 其實龍克山崎真正的問題真正最重要現在當前最重要的事其實是電網這個電網部分我知道委員很關心那委員當然地方里長意見 |
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委員一定要表達我們也知道但是對台電來說我想說如果可能我們儘快的能夠把我們可以施作的工程項目都給他確定下來總共有七個輸電線路的工程要做才有辦法供應這件事那我們也都一直在盤整我們也都在跟國客會做溝通我們也在約跟市府這一邊做一點溝通就說我們是不是能夠得到協助但我要這樣講就是還在約啦齁 |
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那委員其實清楚進度 我也希望委員如果可能的話給我們台電支持 讓農工可以蓋起來 讓農工科可以做今天提出來的話 因為看到你們有兩項選擇嘛我是認為說這兩項選擇都是董事長這邊提出來的可以不要由一二選一啦 兩件都可以並行來做那剛剛董事長特別講到電網的問題嘛 |
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我這樣講 委員你是說這兩個電廠的新建工程都可以加速支持你1到6的話要升級 那10要新建嘛我跟委員報告這兩件事情對我們來講都還在內部評估階段其實台電公司我們會去做一個長期的我們電源開發的規劃但是我們會依照時程的需要提出來那以現在如果委員關心農科那我跟委員報告 |
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您的服務處在關心的那個我們怎麼拉線這件事情那個是現在最重要的事是我本席也有在協助啦因為拉線的話就居住權益的問題環境的問題等等我們都會從中協助那本席會這樣子問最重要就是說因為現在台積電設廠的是我們說指標性的這個效益會影響著上下游工業廠商跟我們AI的資料中心等等那還有我們都形成一個最重要的這個聚落尤其是 |
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桃竹苗大溪谷計畫也在包括桃園進去所以我們希望說董事長因為你們現在台電已經不准許用電在5MW以上的AI這個資料中心設置在桃園以北的新社 |
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所以這個表示你們都看到了台北的電量是不足的所以我才說你剛剛所提出來的大台電廠1到6號的升級跟10號的興建這個可以一起你們評估下去一起來做然後包括我們電網部分的話也要超前部署先來設置好來 |
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不要說一定要等到台積電申請進來的話你們再來評估就太慢了非常非常謝謝委員支持我們電源開發真的這個我們很想在立法院得到這種支持所有的方式都用進來不要再限制我們桃園以北的這個廠商來這邊設置好不好好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝李議員委員 |