| IVOD_ID |
169480 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169480 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-20T11:44:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-20T11:56:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e8e93c7ebde79bae8db8644a1241f47eb2ebd91c2d73985b4e525a9eb6f1b7328466b1d63248431c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:44:07 - 11:56:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣電力股份有限公司、台灣糖業股份有限公司。(詢答)
【所列預算提案於115年6月5日(星期五)下午5時截止收件】
【5月20日及5月21日二天一次會】） |
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主席 再讓我先進 列席的政務機關長官員 會長 公共夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請我們台堂的吳董事長以及台堂的砂糖事業部 蓄質事業部兩位陳執行長 溫時行長以及環境保護處的鍾處長和農業經營處的張處長好 請三官人一起上 |
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董事長好,董事長,你之前在做高雄,你有酒櫃媒體的封面嗎?有!有喔?有!我這次這麼厲害,淨州刊,淨州刊一向沒有好事,你是獲利創新高,74億,請問董事長,這怎麼來的? |
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這東西齁 同仁 持續努力 都得到結果講很場面啦 來 你們有七個事業部啦你告訴我是哪些事業部賺錢 哪些事業部賠錢事業部像砂糖企業是Balance 達到那個砂糖Balance喔 最賺錢的是哪一個油瓶 |
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油品最賺錢 加油站啦齁對阿那個序職勒序職 因為在改建嘛改建那個不算 好來阿生物科技勒 蘭花誒 蘭花阿精緻農業勒 |
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金字塔會賺錢啊做賺錢 加油賺錢那台糖不要叫台糖了嘛 叫台花嘛叫台油嘛我們花卉是虧錢的花卉虧錢 那就叫台油喔油粉加最多啊我們是要diversify我先講一下啦齁其實我要看齁 你們帳面說是賺72億啦其實我看一下你給我們的報告是60億不管60億還是70億 那是其次來我們看一下你在媒體上好像說一公斤的砂糖只能賣36 |
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成本要42 賣一頓大概就要賠他7、8千塊請問為什麼台糖要做糖跟委員報告 糖是戰略物資很好 戰略物資我們部長一直在戰略物資民營公司在生產嗎了解不太好 民營公司啦台糖是什麼 |
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台糖是國營事業嘛所以國營事業戰略物資你要優先生產嘛對好來我們來看一下那台糖的糖會了錢來那你的事業作為責任糧食安全跟獲利哪個比較重要我想那個因為我們是國營事業齁那做一個事業體的話總是要有一些盈利對啦我告訴你台糖賺多少錢來往下看齁 |
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台糖的總資產六千六百多億其實我看你們全部的資產如果拿去寄銀行還一年可以收到一百一十六億的利息你不管是賺六十億還是賺七十四億其實你的業外收入是五十億台糖的重點賣了幾得好但是重點不是賺錢要賺錢把你們資產拿去賣一賣賺的錢還比較多是不是這樣子 |
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但是土地如果賣一賣以後就沒有了你拿去做信託開發也很好啊所以我要說的是說目前台糖它雖然是一個公司不能賠錢但是公司的企業使命它有考慮的對不對要配合政策推動讓社會進步往下看那剛剛講到的黃小玉我們平常人吃的黃小玉多還是其他動物吃的黃小玉多台灣進口的黃小玉 |
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大部分是誰吃掉了大部分都是動物啊動物吃掉了嘛但是一旦在我延燒剛剛說的石油來不來哇這很重要黃小玉進不來飼料就會跟著漲好往下看那請問我們這些農產品黃小玉是蔚藍進口是要給人吃的比較重要還是給動物吃的比較重要報告委員給動物吃了以後還是要給人吃啊 |
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所以一樣對 說得很好好 沒有錯所以我們的續產是需要這些原料的但是往下看其實食品給人吃豬可以吃什麼吃動物性的循環原料你同不同意 |
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某些是可以的 某些是可以的 告訴你農業部已經准了過去我們的飼料有植物性飼料 動物性飼料 補助飼料 配合飼料現在飼料足於蓄勤的屠宰下繳要動物性廢紮都已經可以作為循環原料的飼料 你知道吧對很知道 那請問台廠有沒有台廠有沒有這個加工廠 |
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我們交廠是對食品的有食品加工廠有續產加工廠嘛你們有做酵母粉嘛有做穀類嘛麥片嘛麥片沒有啦然後你們續產加工廠有安心豬嘛有做肉鬆啊肉酥啊肉乾啊這些等等請問全豬的運用一隻豬啊 |
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大概有15%是乘負財下繳料土體的兩成多是豬皮跟豬骨這些都不是消費者會使用的請問你們有沒有開始發展這些循環原料飼料的生產線你們自己有加工廠啊你們有下繳料啊報告委員那前一陣子我們跟台系跟海昌公司就是要讓這一塊很好那就繼續進行怎麼樣我來告訴你為什麼台湯要先往下看 |
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目前喔 養豬的大縣彰化排第一 屏東排第二嘛那養豬的企業 排場講第二 沒有人敢講第一 對不對 |
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養豬的投資不然誰最多養豬的全部投資目前我們不能說現在啦你們現在在改建嘛對對對對嘛你不要跟我說今年去年啦因為你去你們要改建嘛有幾座有16座嘛對不對總共養滿了可以養幾頭一年大概50萬頭50萬頭我還小看因為有兩輪生產我這邊估計一座同時有18萬頭好這麼龐大的養豬事業有多少的剩餘物跟廢棄物我來先問一下 |
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有沒有病死豬一定會有嘛是那你們有沒有化製廠目前我們化製廠在廠內是沒有對啊我們是委託人家做但是委託嘛好啦企業責任啦你們是最大的養豬戶結果你們對於自己養的病死豬沒有化製廠現在的化製廠有幾座現在的化製廠加起來呢有10座 |
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其中四座在屏東啊你認為化智廠是一個嫌惡設施還是喜愛設施它是嫌惡設施嘛認為 對請問你們有幾座農場有二三十座嘛 有五萬公頃嘛這些農場除了自營之外有住人家種毛豆 住人家種鳳梨的住人家種毛豆的附近有社區嗎 |
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沒有社區啊所以其實台塘自有的農場是非常能夠吸收接受自己養豬所產生的這些必要的相關的事業跟設施你同不同意下一頁是不是這樣子對你們自己有土地嘛而且土地很多旁邊沒有人啊來我告訴你為什麼必死豬啊化智場為什麼靈異設施我小時候住在鹿港我們家旁邊傳董事長 |
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隔壁那個肉店喔,他每天都在做肉粥啊喔好喜歡喔,每天都可以聞到豬肉做肉粥,很香的,是不是這樣子那同樣的是豬,為什麼化智長會臭?為什麼? |
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因為溪底下都草啊 才拖去化製廠嘛如果是生鮮的豬進入化製廠 它一樣是做什麼提煉油 提煉骨粉 對不對 會臭嗎 不會草啊所以要怎麼做 不只化製廠如果台塘的養豬場 避死豬有沒有冰櫃冰 |
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有 現在我們都有現在有了嘛 對不對台糖有發現說你們的必死豬用冰櫃冰很多的養豬戶沒有來得及建冰櫃那是不是可以有冷鏈去幫他把它運走 運到化製廠馬上就運走 |
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冷鏈車 現在化資廠有冷鏈車嗎 沒有 因為民間企業不會投資啊台房可不可以投資 去經營一個化資廠經營一個物流的 把壁石租從民營的養豬場趕快拖走 拖去化資的 就不會臭這個化資廠就不會零壁設施嘛 董事長 怎麼解決是不是這樣子 |
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但是我們要評估 今天就是要請你評估他所以我要說的是說 台糖的企業社會責任是什麼你有這麼龐大的養豬場 你卻沒有化製廠你自己有冰櫃 其他的養豬場買不起冰櫃那這個問題誰來解決 叫其他民間養豬戶解決嗎那不可能嘛 往下看所以過去台糖有做一個事情 我小時候住屏東啊我們剛說做甘蔗啊 甘蔗可以充完農業甘蔗炸可以做什麼 |
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可以做紫薑啊對以前台湯也很聰明啊他們說甘蔗做糖之後甘蔗渣之後做紫薑但是三四十年前的紫薑沒有這個企業的一個概念它空污啊紫薑甘蔗渣怎麼做紫薑先放在池子裡面讓它發酵發酵就變臭臭的時候它去做紫薑的時候整個屏東市都是台湯的紫薑糖周圍現在台湯還有紫薑場嗎沒有沒有做了嘛但是 |
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甘蔗沙不能做紫薑嗎 可以啊要找對的地方 用對的方法 投資設備 讓它不要發售可不可以做得到可以 但是目前有沒有其他的用途對 因為目前台塘的甘蔗沙做紫薑先不能買好因為台灣的甘蔗沙就比人家貴那有可能這抓雞會比人家小 沒有可能所以我要說的是說台塘要去思考 你們有那麼大的地 |
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禁賣產業是你們的企業社會責任你們有那麼多的養豬廠有那麼多的加工廠你們做循環原料飼料的工廠你們要對動物的屍體做化製廠你們要研究這些農業加工或者剩餘物資早期發電做有機肥請問一下董事長這是不是你台南的企業社會責任 |
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我想企業真的我們是容易承擔齁但是像養豬那農業部的他們有一些incentive有一些補助台糖我們所有的農業的生產齁農業部連一塊錢都沒有辦法補助所以我們的生產這個不值得拚啦部長 董事長這不算說要拚了啦你不肯經費報酬多少而已啦對啊我說你72億是甚麼51億是月外收入啦 |
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你們那裡做什麼要賺錢我們也不會抱怨啊但是就是說所以不要抱怨也不要拿來炫耀你們不只不能拿政府的補助還要代替政府優先做社會的表散你同不同意我同意但是我們做的很多喔社會的省財團研議將足資產業研議你們的足資產業優先要投入經賣產業包括循環原料飼料的工廠包括動物屍體的化製廠以及後續環保循環的產業鏈可以承諾嗎 |
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來部長請上來 部長 |
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部長台堂貴不貴你管台堂貴不貴你管我們是主管機關是主管機關好董事長已經承諾了接下來的政治責任就是你的責任了所以接下來台堂有沒有善盡他台堂的企業社會責任不是只是看說不賠錢而已不是只看營收的成長而已我希望下次你跟董事長跟部長你們一起上雜誌封面 |
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說 經濟不將台糖改造成一個符合企業社會責任重視環保 帶動農業更新的一個企業 好不好報告委員 我們現在本來就有在做 但是我們是自己 對啦 環保本來就是所有的國營事業我講的那三個目標 經濟不可沒督導包括經貿產業 包括循環原料飼料 包括化製廠他會專門會 他剛才提到承諾啦 好 部長謝謝你 謝謝董事長他會study啦 |
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不是study啦 交個報告來說明 你們承諾做多少嘛 好不好好 謝謝張嘉斌委員 |