| IVOD_ID |
169480 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169480 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-20T11:44:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-20T11:56:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e8e93c7ebde79bae8db8644a1241f47eb2ebd91c2d73985b4e525a9eb6f1b7328466b1d63248431c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:44:07 - 11:56:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣電力股份有限公司、台灣糖業股份有限公司。(詢答)
【所列預算提案於115年6月5日(星期五)下午5時截止收件】
【5月20日及5月21日二天一次會】） |
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鍾嘉賓委員質詢 |
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主席 再讓我先進 列席的政務機關長官員 會長 公共夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請我們台堂的吳董事長以及台堂的砂糖事業部 蓄質事業部兩位陳執行長 溫時行長以及環境保護處的鍾處長和農業經營處的張處長好 請三官人一起上 |
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董事長好,董事長,你之前在做高雄,你有酒櫃媒體的封面嗎?有!有喔?有!我這次這麼厲害,淨州刊,淨州刊一向沒有好事,你是獲利創新高,74億,請問董事長,這怎麼來的? |
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這東西齁 同仁 持續努力 都得到結果講很場面啦 來 你們有七個事業部啦你告訴我是哪些事業部賺錢 哪些事業部賠錢事業部像砂糖企業是Balance 達到那個砂糖Balance喔 最賺錢的是哪一個油瓶 |
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油品最賺錢 加油站啦齁對阿那個序職勒序職 因為在改建嘛改建那個不算 好來阿生物科技勒 蘭花誒 蘭花阿精緻農業勒 |
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金字塔會賺錢啊做賺錢 加油賺錢那台糖不要叫台糖了嘛 叫台花嘛叫台油嘛我們花卉是虧錢的花卉虧錢 那就叫台油喔油粉加最多啊我們是要diversify我先講一下啦齁其實我要看齁 你們帳面說是賺72億啦其實我看一下你給我們的報告是60億不管60億還是70億 那是其次來我們看一下你在媒體上好像說一公斤的砂糖只能賣36 |
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成本要42 賣一頓大概就要賠他7、8千塊請問為什麼台糖要做糖跟委員報告 糖是戰略物資很好 戰略物資我們部長一直在戰略物資民營公司在生產嗎了解不太好 民營公司啦台糖是什麼 |
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台糖是國營事業嘛所以國營事業戰略物資你要優先生產嘛對好來我們來看一下那台糖的糖會了錢來那你的事業作為責任糧食安全跟獲利哪個比較重要我想那個因為我們是國營事業齁那做一個事業體的話總是要有一些盈利對啦我告訴你台糖賺多少錢來往下看齁 |
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台糖的總資產六千六百多億其實我看你們全部的資產如果拿去寄銀行還一年可以收到一百一十六億的利息你不管是賺六十億還是賺七十四億其實你的業外收入是五十億台糖的重點賣了幾得好但是重點不是賺錢要賺錢把你們資產拿去賣一賣賺的錢還比較多是不是這樣子 |
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但是土地如果賣一賣以後就沒有了你拿去做信託開發也很好啊所以我要說的是說目前台糖它雖然是一個公司不能賠錢但是公司的企業使命它有考慮的對不對要配合政策推動讓社會進步往下看那剛剛講到的黃小玉我們平常人吃的黃小玉多還是其他動物吃的黃小玉多台灣進口的黃小玉 |
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大部分是誰吃掉了大部分都是動物啊動物吃掉了嘛但是一旦在我延燒剛剛說的石油來不來哇這很重要黃小玉進不來飼料就會跟著漲好往下看那請問我們這些農產品黃小玉是蔚藍進口是要給人吃的比較重要還是給動物吃的比較重要報告委員給動物吃了以後還是要給人吃啊 |
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所以一樣對 說得很好好 沒有錯所以我們的續產是需要這些原料的但是往下看其實食品給人吃豬可以吃什麼吃動物性的循環原料你同不同意 |
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某些是可以的 某些是可以的 告訴你農業部已經准了過去我們的飼料有植物性飼料 動物性飼料 補助飼料 配合飼料現在飼料足於蓄勤的屠宰下繳要動物性廢紮都已經可以作為循環原料的飼料 你知道吧對很知道 那請問台廠有沒有台廠有沒有這個加工廠 |
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我們交廠是對食品的有食品加工廠有續產加工廠嘛你們有做酵母粉嘛有做穀類嘛麥片嘛麥片沒有啦然後你們續產加工廠有安心豬嘛有做肉鬆啊肉酥啊肉乾啊這些等等請問全豬的運用一隻豬啊 |
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大概有15%是乘負財下繳料土體的兩成多是豬皮跟豬骨這些都不是消費者會使用的請問你們有沒有開始發展這些循環原料飼料的生產線你們自己有加工廠啊你們有下繳料啊報告委員那前一陣子我們跟台系跟海昌公司就是要讓這一塊很好那就繼續進行怎麼樣我來告訴你為什麼台湯要先往下看 |
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目前喔 養豬的大縣彰化排第一 屏東排第二嘛那養豬的企業 排場講第二 沒有人敢講第一 對不對 |
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養豬的投資不然誰最多養豬的全部投資目前我們不能說現在啦你們現在在改建嘛對對對對嘛你不要跟我說今年去年啦因為你去你們要改建嘛有幾座有16座嘛對不對總共養滿了可以養幾頭一年大概50萬頭50萬頭我還小看因為有兩輪生產我這邊估計一座同時有18萬頭好這麼龐大的養豬事業有多少的剩餘物跟廢棄物我來先問一下 |
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有沒有病死豬一定會有嘛是那你們有沒有化製廠目前我們化製廠在廠內是沒有對啊我們是委託人家做但是委託嘛好啦企業責任啦你們是最大的養豬戶結果你們對於自己養的病死豬沒有化製廠現在的化製廠有幾座現在的化製廠加起來呢有10座 |
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其中四座在屏東啊你認為化智廠是一個嫌惡設施還是喜愛設施它是嫌惡設施嘛認為 對請問你們有幾座農場有二三十座嘛 有五萬公頃嘛這些農場除了自營之外有住人家種毛豆 住人家種鳳梨的住人家種毛豆的附近有社區嗎 |
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沒有社區啊所以其實台塘自有的農場是非常能夠吸收接受自己養豬所產生的這些必要的相關的事業跟設施你同不同意下一頁是不是這樣子對你們自己有土地嘛而且土地很多旁邊沒有人啊來我告訴你為什麼必死豬啊化智場為什麼靈異設施我小時候住在鹿港我們家旁邊傳董事長 |
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隔壁那個肉店喔,他每天都在做肉粥啊喔好喜歡喔,每天都可以聞到豬肉做肉粥,很香的,是不是這樣子那同樣的是豬,為什麼化智長會臭?為什麼? |
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因為溪底下都草啊 才拖去化製廠嘛如果是生鮮的豬進入化製廠 它一樣是做什麼提煉油 提煉骨粉 對不對 會臭嗎 不會草啊所以要怎麼做 不只化製廠如果台塘的養豬場 避死豬有沒有冰櫃冰 |
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有 現在我們都有現在有了嘛 對不對台糖有發現說你們的必死豬用冰櫃冰很多的養豬戶沒有來得及建冰櫃那是不是可以有冷鏈去幫他把它運走 運到化製廠馬上就運走 |
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冷鏈車 現在化資廠有冷鏈車嗎 沒有 因為民間企業不會投資啊台房可不可以投資 去經營一個化資廠經營一個物流的 把壁石租從民營的養豬場趕快拖走 拖去化資的 就不會臭這個化資廠就不會零壁設施嘛 董事長 怎麼解決是不是這樣子 |
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但是我們要評估 今天就是要請你評估他所以我要說的是說 台糖的企業社會責任是什麼你有這麼龐大的養豬場 你卻沒有化製廠你自己有冰櫃 其他的養豬場買不起冰櫃那這個問題誰來解決 叫其他民間養豬戶解決嗎那不可能嘛 往下看所以過去台糖有做一個事情 我小時候住屏東啊我們剛說做甘蔗啊 甘蔗可以充完農業甘蔗炸可以做什麼 |
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可以做紫薑啊對以前台湯也很聰明啊他們說甘蔗做糖之後甘蔗渣之後做紫薑但是三四十年前的紫薑沒有這個企業的一個概念它空污啊紫薑甘蔗渣怎麼做紫薑先放在池子裡面讓它發酵發酵就變臭臭的時候它去做紫薑的時候整個屏東市都是台湯的紫薑糖周圍現在台湯還有紫薑場嗎沒有沒有做了嘛但是 |
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甘蔗沙不能做紫薑嗎 可以啊要找對的地方 用對的方法 投資設備 讓它不要發售可不可以做得到可以 但是目前有沒有其他的用途對 因為目前台塘的甘蔗沙做紫薑先不能買好因為台灣的甘蔗沙就比人家貴那有可能這抓雞會比人家小 沒有可能所以我要說的是說台塘要去思考 你們有那麼大的地 |
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禁賣產業是你們的企業社會責任你們有那麼多的養豬廠有那麼多的加工廠你們做循環原料飼料的工廠你們要對動物的屍體做化製廠你們要研究這些農業加工或者剩餘物資早期發電做有機肥請問一下董事長這是不是你台南的企業社會責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
629.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
643.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
我想企業真的我們是容易承擔齁但是像養豬那農業部的他們有一些incentive有一些補助台糖我們所有的農業的生產齁農業部連一塊錢都沒有辦法補助所以我們的生產這個不值得拚啦部長 董事長這不算說要拚了啦你不肯經費報酬多少而已啦對啊我說你72億是甚麼51億是月外收入啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
652.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
679.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
你們那裡做什麼要賺錢我們也不會抱怨啊但是就是說所以不要抱怨也不要拿來炫耀你們不只不能拿政府的補助還要代替政府優先做社會的表散你同不同意我同意但是我們做的很多喔社會的省財團研議將足資產業研議你們的足資產業優先要投入經賣產業包括循環原料飼料的工廠包括動物屍體的化製廠以及後續環保循環的產業鏈可以承諾嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
680.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
680.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
來部長請上來 部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
689.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
710.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
部長台堂貴不貴你管台堂貴不貴你管我們是主管機關是主管機關好董事長已經承諾了接下來的政治責任就是你的責任了所以接下來台堂有沒有善盡他台堂的企業社會責任不是只是看說不賠錢而已不是只看營收的成長而已我希望下次你跟董事長跟部長你們一起上雜誌封面 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
712.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
739.668 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
說 經濟不將台糖改造成一個符合企業社會責任重視環保 帶動農業更新的一個企業 好不好報告委員 我們現在本來就有在做 但是我們是自己 對啦 環保本來就是所有的國營事業我講的那三個目標 經濟不可沒督導包括經貿產業 包括循環原料飼料 包括化製廠他會專門會 他剛才提到承諾啦 好 部長謝謝你 謝謝董事長他會study啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
741.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
748.323 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
不是study啦 交個報告來說明 你們承諾做多少嘛 好不好好 謝謝張嘉斌委員 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-05-20T11:44:07.330000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-05-20T11:44:28.552000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
主席、在場的委員先進，列席的政府機關首長官員、會場工作夥伴、媒體記者女士先生。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-05-20T11:44:29.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-05-20T11:44:39.043000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
有請台糖吳董事長，以及台糖的砂糖事業部與畜殖事業部的陳執行長、溫執行長、環境保護處的宗處長和農業經營處張處長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.804 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-05-20T11:44:39.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-05-20T11:44:40.524000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
請相關人員一起上來。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-05-20T11:44:49.519000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-05-20T11:44:49.819000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
董事長好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-05-20T11:44:51.019000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-05-20T11:44:54.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
董事長，你以前當教授，有上過媒體封面嗎？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-05-20T11:44:57.181000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-05-20T11:45:00.002000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
這次比較厲害，鏡周刊欸！ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-05-20T11:45:00.822000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-05-20T11:45:04.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
鏡周刊一向沒好事，但你是獲利創新高，74億啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-05-20T11:45:04.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-05-20T11:45:05.363000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
請問董事長，這怎麼來的？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-05-20T11:45:09.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-05-20T11:45:13.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
這都是同仁持續努力所得到的結果。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-05-20T11:45:14.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-05-20T11:45:22.643000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
你講得很場面啦，你們有7個事業部，你告訴我哪些事業部賺錢、哪些事業部賠錢？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-05-20T11:45:22.643000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-05-20T11:45:26.765000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
事業部像砂糖去年是balance，達到…… |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-05-20T11:45:27.765000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-05-20T11:45:29.086000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
砂糖balance。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-05-20T11:45:29.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-05-20T11:45:31.087000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
最賺錢的是哪一個？油品。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-05-20T11:45:32.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-05-20T11:45:34.150000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
油品最賺錢，加油站啦。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-05-20T11:45:34.150000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-05-20T11:45:36.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
畜殖呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-05-20T11:45:36.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-05-20T11:45:36.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
畜殖因為在改建。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-05-20T11:45:37.294000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-05-20T11:45:37.774000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
改建不算。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-05-20T11:45:38.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-05-20T11:45:40.277000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
生物科技，蘭花？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-05-20T11:45:41.899000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-05-20T11:45:41.899000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
蘭花也是。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-05-20T11:45:42.880000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-05-20T11:45:43.021000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
精緻農業？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-05-20T11:45:45.018000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-05-20T11:45:45.018000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
精緻農業賺錢。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-05-20T11:45:46.419000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-05-20T11:45:51.022000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
都賺錢，加油賺錢，台糖不要叫台糖了，叫台花、台油。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-05-20T11:45:51.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-05-20T11:45:53.264000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
沒有，我們花卉是虧錢的。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-05-20T11:45:53.564000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-05-20T11:45:57.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
花卉虧錢，那就叫台油囉，因為油品加最多。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-05-20T11:45:58.547000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-05-20T11:45:59.868000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
沒有，我們要diversify。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-05-20T11:46:00.108000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-05-20T11:46:19.960000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
我先講一下，我看你們帳面是賺72億，其實我看一下你給我們的報告是60億，不管60億還是70億，那是其次，我們看一下你在媒體的訪問說1公斤砂糖只能賣36元，但是成本要42元，賣一噸大概就要賠七、八千塊，這樣的話，請問為什麼台糖要做糖？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.837 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-05-20T11:46:21.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-05-20T11:46:24.242000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
跟委員報告，糖是戰略物資。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-05-20T11:46:24.242000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-05-20T11:46:26.103000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
很好，戰略物資。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-05-20T11:46:26.103000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-05-20T11:46:27.904000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
我們部長一直在…… |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-05-20T11:46:28.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-05-20T11:46:30.765000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
戰略物資，民營公司會生產嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-05-20T11:46:30.765000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-05-20T11:46:33.907000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
賠錢不會生產。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.167 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-05-20T11:46:33.907000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-05-20T11:46:34.207000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
台糖是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-05-20T11:46:36.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-05-20T11:46:36.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
是國營事業。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-05-20T11:46:36.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-05-20T11:46:37.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
對，國營事業。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-05-20T11:46:37.308000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-05-20T11:46:40.551000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
所以國營事業的戰略物資要優先生產嘛。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-05-20T11:46:42.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-05-20T11:46:44.654000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
台糖的糖會賠錢。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-05-20T11:46:45.014000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-05-20T11:46:48.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
你的事業社會責任（糧食安全）跟獲利哪個比較重要？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-05-20T11:46:50.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-05-20T11:46:59.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
我想因為我們是國營事業，做為一個事業體的話，總是要有一些盈利。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-05-20T11:46:59.907000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-05-20T11:47:01.468000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
對，我告訴你，台糖賺多少錢？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-05-20T11:47:03.045000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-05-20T11:47:05.606000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
台糖總資產是六千六百多億啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-05-20T11:47:06.427000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-05-20T11:47:25.396000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
你們全部的資產如果拿去寄銀行，1年可以收到116億的利息，不管是賺60億還是賺74億，其實你的業外收入是50億，台糖的重點是不要賠錢就好，但是重點不是賺錢，要賺錢的話，把你們資產拿去賣一賣，賺的錢還比較多，是不是這樣子？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-05-20T11:47:25.996000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-05-20T11:47:28.418000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
但是土地如果賣了，以後就沒有了。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-05-20T11:47:29.959000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-05-20T11:47:32.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
對，你拿去做信託開發也很好，對吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-05-20T11:47:33.621000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-05-20T11:47:42.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
所以我要說的是，台糖雖然是一個公司，不能賠錢，但是公司的企業使命是有考慮的，對不對？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-05-20T11:47:42.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-05-20T11:47:44.869000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
要配合政策推動，讓社會進步。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-05-20T11:47:46.270000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-05-20T11:47:50.653000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
剛剛講到的黃小玉，我們平常人吃的黃小玉多？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-05-20T11:47:50.973000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-05-20T11:47:52.334000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
還是其他動物吃的黃小玉多？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-05-20T11:47:52.474000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-05-20T11:47:55.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
臺灣進口的黃小玉，大部分是誰吃掉了？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-05-20T11:47:56.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-05-20T11:47:57.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
大部分都是動物。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-05-20T11:47:57.591000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-05-20T11:48:02.152000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
動物吃掉了，但是一旦戰火延燒，剛剛說了，石油來不來，哇！ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-05-20T11:48:02.512000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-05-20T11:48:13.115000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
這很重要，黃小玉進不來，飼料就會跟著漲，請問我們這些農產品還有黃小玉未來的進口，是給人吃的比較重要，還是給動物吃的比較重要？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.911 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-05-20T11:48:13.915000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-05-20T11:48:18.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
報告委員，給動物吃了以後還是要給人吃，所以一樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-05-20T11:48:18.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-05-20T11:48:23.774000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
對，說得很好，沒有錯，所以我們的畜產是需要這些原料的。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-05-20T11:48:25.915000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-05-20T11:48:29.417000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
其實食品給人吃，豬可以吃什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-05-20T11:48:29.417000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-05-20T11:48:31.398000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
吃動物性的循環原料，你同不同意？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-05-20T11:48:31.398000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-05-20T11:48:34.016000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-05-20T11:48:34.016000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-05-20T11:48:34.717000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
某些是可以的。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-05-20T11:48:34.857000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-05-20T11:48:52.126000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
某些是可以的，告訴你，農業部已經准了，過去我們的飼料有植物性飼料、動物性飼料、補助飼料、配合飼料，現在事業廚餘、畜禽屠宰下腳料、動物性廢渣都已經可以作為循環原料的飼料，你知道吧？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.886 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-05-20T11:48:52.306000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-05-20T11:48:54.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
你知道，那請問台糖有沒有加工廠？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-05-20T11:48:57.612000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-05-20T11:49:01.758000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
我們有食品加工廠。有嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-05-20T11:49:02.158000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-05-20T11:49:04.201000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
有食品加工廠，有畜產加工場，你們有做酵母粉嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.55 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-05-20T11:49:04.421000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-05-20T11:49:05.082000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
有做穀類嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-05-20T11:49:05.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-05-20T11:49:06.564000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
麥片沒有啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-05-20T11:49:06.564000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-05-20T11:49:07.564000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
酵母粉現在沒有做了。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-05-20T11:49:06.684000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-05-20T11:49:09.909000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
然後你們畜產加工場有「安心豚」，有做肉鬆啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-05-20T11:49:10.229000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-05-20T11:49:10.590000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
肉酥啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-05-20T11:49:11.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-05-20T11:49:11.391000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
肉乾啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-05-20T11:49:11.631000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-05-20T11:49:11.871000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
這些等等。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-05-20T11:49:13.313000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-05-20T11:49:28.122000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
全豬的運用，一隻豬大概有15%是屠宰下腳料，屠體有兩成多是豬皮跟豬骨，這些都不是消費者會食用的，請問你們有沒有開始發展這些循環原料飼料的生產線？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.908 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-05-20T11:49:28.122000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-05-20T11:49:29.043000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
你們自己有加工廠啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-05-20T11:49:29.463000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-05-20T11:49:30.083000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
你們有下腳料啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-05-20T11:49:30.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-05-20T11:49:37.567000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
報告委員，前一陣子我們跟台畜及海昌公司就是在run這一塊。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.741 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-05-20T11:49:37.567000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-05-20T11:49:41.449000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
很好，繼續進行得怎麼樣，我來告訴你為什麼台糖要優先做。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.792 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-05-20T11:49:43.445000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-05-20T11:49:47.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
目前養豬的大縣，彰化排第一，屏東排第二嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-05-20T11:49:48.531000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-05-20T11:49:51.894000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
那養豬的企業，台糖講第二，沒有人敢講第一，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-05-20T11:49:53.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-05-20T11:49:54.406000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
養豬的頭數，不然誰最多？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-05-20T11:49:55.066000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-05-20T11:49:55.286000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
養豬的全部頭數。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-05-20T11:49:55.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-05-20T11:49:56.487000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
目前我們…… |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-05-20T11:49:56.487000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-05-20T11:49:57.207000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
不能說現在啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-05-20T11:49:57.347000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-05-20T11:49:59.447000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
你們現在在改建嘛！對，是。對嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-05-20T11:50:00.207000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-05-20T11:50:02.588000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
你不要跟我說今年、去年，因為去年你們在改建。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-05-20T11:50:02.588000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-05-20T11:50:04.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
現代化大型養豬場有幾座？ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.273 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-05-20T11:50:04.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-05-20T11:50:05.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
有16座，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-05-20T11:50:07.529000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-05-20T11:50:08.829000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
養滿了總共可以養幾頭？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-05-20T11:50:08.829000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-05-20T11:50:10.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
一年大概50萬頭。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-05-20T11:50:10.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-05-20T11:50:14.530000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
50萬頭，我還小看你，因為有兩輪生產，我這邊估計一座同時有18萬頭。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-05-20T11:50:14.530000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-05-20T11:50:19.431000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
好，這麼龐大的養豬事業，有多少的剩餘物和廢棄物？ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-05-20T11:50:19.451000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-05-20T11:50:24.537000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
我先來問一下，有沒有病死豬？ |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-05-20T11:50:24.537000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-05-20T11:50:25.618000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
一定會有嘛！是。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-05-20T11:50:26.159000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-05-20T11:50:27.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
那你們有沒有化製廠？ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-05-20T11:50:27.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-05-20T11:50:31.122000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
目前場內沒有化製廠。對啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-05-20T11:50:31.363000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-05-20T11:50:32.944000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
我們是委託人家做，但是…… |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-05-20T11:50:33.244000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-05-20T11:50:33.764000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
委託嘛！好啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-05-20T11:50:33.764000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-05-20T11:50:34.764000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
目前是安全…… |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-05-20T11:50:34.445000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-05-20T11:50:35.506000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
企業責任啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-05-20T11:50:36.446000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-05-20T11:50:42.011000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
你們是最大的養豬戶，結果你們對於自己養的斃死豬沒有化製廠。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-05-20T11:50:42.011000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-05-20T11:50:42.871000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
現在的化製廠有幾座？ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-05-20T11:50:44.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-05-20T11:50:54.792000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
現在的化製廠加起來有10座，其中4座在屏東，你認為化製廠是一個嫌惡設施還是喜愛設施？ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-05-20T11:50:54.792000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-05-20T11:50:58.334000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
目前認為…… |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-05-20T11:50:58.334000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-05-20T11:51:01.236000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
它是嫌惡設施嘛！對。 |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-05-20T11:51:01.236000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-05-20T11:51:03.678000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
請問你們有幾座農場？ |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-05-20T11:51:03.678000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-05-20T11:51:05.579000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
有二、三十座，有5萬公頃嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-05-20T11:51:06.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-05-20T11:51:12.163000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
這些農場除了自營之外，有租給人家種毛豆，租給人家種鳳梨，租給人家種毛豆的，附近有社區嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-05-20T11:51:13.567000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-05-20T11:51:14.248000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
沒有社區啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-05-20T11:51:15.108000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-05-20T11:51:24.855000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
所以其實台糖自有的農場是非常能夠吸收、接受自己養豬所產生的這些必要的相關事業跟設施，你同不同意？ |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.956 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-05-20T11:51:27.497000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-05-20T11:51:28.558000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
是不是這樣子？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-05-20T11:51:28.558000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-05-20T11:51:31.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
你們自己有土地，而且土地很多，旁邊沒有人啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-05-20T11:51:31.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-05-20T11:51:36.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
來，我告訴你，為什麼斃死豬的化製廠會成為鄰避設施？ |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-05-20T11:51:37.805000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-05-20T11:51:45.646000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
我小時候住在鹿港，我們家旁邊是傳統市場，隔壁的肉店每天都在做肉鬆，我好喜歡喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-05-20T11:51:45.906000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-05-20T11:51:49.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
每天都可以聞到豬肉做肉鬆的香氣，是不是這樣子？ |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-05-20T11:51:49.954000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-05-20T11:51:51.336000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
那同樣是豬，為什麼化製廠會臭？ |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-05-20T11:51:51.456000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-05-20T11:51:51.476000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-05-20T11:51:55.649000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-05-20T11:52:04.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
因為死豬都發臭了才拖去化製廠，如果是生鮮的豬進入化製廠，它一樣是做什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-05-20T11:52:04.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-05-20T11:52:07.083000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
提煉油、提煉骨粉，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-05-20T11:52:07.083000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-05-20T11:52:08.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
會臭嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-05-20T11:52:08.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-05-20T11:52:08.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
不會臭啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-05-20T11:52:09.366000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-05-20T11:52:09.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
所以要怎麼做？ |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-05-20T11:52:10.787000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-05-20T11:52:14.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
不只化製廠，如果是台糖的養豬場，斃死豬有沒有冰櫃冰？ |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-05-20T11:52:15.769000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-05-20T11:52:16.690000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
有，現在我們都有。 |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-05-20T11:52:17.150000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-05-20T11:52:19.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
現在有了，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-05-20T11:52:19.593000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2026-05-20T11:52:28.461000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
台糖有發現你們的斃死豬要用冰櫃冰，很多的養豬戶沒有來得及建冰櫃，那是不是可以有冷鏈去幫他運走，運到化製廠？ |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-05-20T11:52:28.461000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2026-05-20T11:52:34.691000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
冷鏈車馬上就運走，現在化製廠有冷鏈車嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-05-20T11:52:34.691000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2026-05-20T11:52:36.332000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
沒有，因為民間企業不會投資。 |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-05-20T11:52:37.392000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2026-05-20T11:52:40.975000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
台糖可不可以投資，去經營一個化製廠？ |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-05-20T11:52:40.975000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2026-05-20T11:52:48.820000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
經營一個物流的，把斃死豬從民營養豬場趕快拖去化製，這樣就不會臭，這個化製廠就不會是鄰避設施嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0.767 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-05-20T11:52:49.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2026-05-20T11:52:51.542000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
董事長，怎麼解決？ |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2026-05-20T11:52:51.542000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2026-05-20T11:52:51.922000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
是不是這樣子？ |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-05-20T11:52:52.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2026-05-20T11:52:53.679000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
但是我們要評估。 |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-05-20T11:52:54.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2026-05-20T11:52:55.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
對，當然要評估，今天就是要請你評估的啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
0.529 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-05-20T11:52:56.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2026-05-20T11:53:00.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
所以我要說的是，台糖的企業社會責任是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2026-05-20T11:53:00.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2026-05-20T11:53:08.484000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
你有這麼龐大的養豬場，你卻沒有化製廠，你自己有冰櫃，其他的養豬場買不起冰櫃，那這個問題誰來解決？ |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-05-20T11:53:08.484000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2026-05-20T11:53:09.885000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
叫其他民間養豬戶解決嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-05-20T11:53:10.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[132].end |
2026-05-20T11:53:11.225000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].text |
不可能嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2026-05-20T11:53:13.846000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[133].end |
2026-05-20T11:53:20.489000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].text |
過去台糖有做一個事情，我小時候住屏東，我們剛剛說甘蔗，甘蔗可不可以做循環農業？ |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-05-20T11:53:20.489000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2026-05-20T11:53:21.409000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].text |
甘蔗渣可以做什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2026-05-20T11:53:21.409000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2026-05-20T11:53:27.605000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].text |
我們可以做紙漿，以前有紙漿廠。 |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
0.231 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2026-05-20T11:53:27.605000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[136].end |
2026-05-20T11:53:37.069000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].text |
對，以前台糖也很聰明，他們都甘蔗做糖之後，甘蔗渣做紙漿，但是三、四十年前的紙漿沒有企業的概念，它空污啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
0.844 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2026-05-20T11:53:38.349000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[137].end |
2026-05-20T11:53:39.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].text |
甘蔗渣怎麼做紙漿？ |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2026-05-20T11:53:39.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[138].end |
2026-05-20T11:53:51.014000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].text |
先放在池子裡面讓它發酵，發酵就變臭，他去做紙漿的時候，整個屏東市都是台糖紙漿廠的臭味，現在台糖還有紙漿廠嗎？沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2026-05-20T11:53:51.454000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[139].end |
2026-05-20T11:53:56.136000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].text |
沒有做了，但是甘蔗渣不能做紙漿嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[139].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2026-05-20T11:53:56.136000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[140].end |
2026-05-20T11:53:56.456000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].text |
可以啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[140].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2026-05-20T11:53:57.076000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[141].end |
2026-05-20T11:54:01.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].text |
要找對的地方，用對的方法投資設備，讓它不要發臭，可不可以做得到？ |
| transcript.gazette[141].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2026-05-20T11:54:02.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[142].end |
2026-05-20T11:54:04.339000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].text |
可以，但是目前我們有其他的用途。 |
| transcript.gazette[142].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2026-05-20T11:54:05.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[143].end |
2026-05-20T11:54:12.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].text |
對，因為目前台糖的甘蔗渣做紙漿，成本划不來，因為臺灣的甘蔗比人家貴，怎麼可能做紙漿會比人家便宜？ |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
0.628 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-05-20T11:54:12.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[144].end |
2026-05-20T11:54:35.386000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].text |
不可能，所以我要說的是，台糖要去思考，你們有那麼大的地，靜脈產業是你們的企業社會責任，你們有那麼多養豬場，有那麼多的加工廠，你們要做循環原料飼料的工廠，你們要對動物的屍體做化製廠，你們要研究這些農業加工或者剩餘物資做沼氣發電還是做有機肥，請問董事長，這是不是你台糖的企業社會責任？ |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
0.891 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2026-05-20T11:54:36.167000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[145].end |
2026-05-20T11:54:48.115000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].text |
我想企業責任我們是勇於承擔，但是像養豬，農業部他們有一些incentive，有一些補助，我們所有的農業生產，農業部連1塊錢都沒有辦法補助，所以我們的成本…… |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2026-05-20T11:54:48.195000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[146].end |
2026-05-20T11:54:48.275000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].text |
這個不值得「品」啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[146].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2026-05-20T11:54:48.315000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2026-05-20T11:54:48.515000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].text |
董事長，這個沒得「品」啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2026-05-20T11:54:48.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2026-05-20T11:54:49.976000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].text |
你沒拿政府的補助是剛好而已，不然我說你72億是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[148].quality |
0.409 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2026-05-20T11:54:49.976000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[149].end |
2026-05-20T11:54:50.076000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].text |
50億是業外收入啦！對。 |
| transcript.gazette[149].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2026-05-20T11:54:59.783000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2026-05-20T11:55:00.723000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].text |
你們做什麼有賺錢？ |
| transcript.gazette[150].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2026-05-20T11:55:00.723000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[151].end |
2026-05-20T11:55:02.205000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].text |
我們也不會抱怨啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[151].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2026-05-20T11:55:02.605000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[152].end |
2026-05-20T11:55:03.526000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].text |
但是就是說…… |
| transcript.gazette[152].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2026-05-20T11:55:03.526000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[153].end |
2026-05-20T11:55:10.892000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].text |
所以不要抱怨，也不要拿來炫耀，你們不只不能拿政府的補助，還要代替政府優先做社會的表率，你同不同意？ |
| transcript.gazette[153].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2026-05-20T11:55:11.312000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[154].end |
2026-05-20T11:55:11.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].text |
我同意，但是…… |
| transcript.gazette[154].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2026-05-20T11:55:11.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[155].end |
2026-05-20T11:55:12.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].text |
好，可以了。 |
| transcript.gazette[155].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[156].start |
2026-05-20T11:55:12.073000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[156].end |
2026-05-20T11:55:14.394000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].text |
我們做了很多喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[156].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[157].start |
2026-05-20T11:55:14.394000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[157].end |
2026-05-20T11:55:17.497000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].text |
像文化的保存…… |
| transcript.gazette[157].quality |
0.167 |
| transcript.gazette[158].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[158].start |
2026-05-20T11:55:17.497000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[158].end |
2026-05-20T11:55:26.464000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].text |
所以請台糖研議你們的豬隻產業要優先投入靜脈產業，包括循環原料飼料的工廠，包括動物屍體的化製廠，以及後續環保循環的產業鏈，可以承諾嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[158].quality |
0.836 |
| transcript.gazette[159].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[159].start |
2026-05-20T11:55:26.464000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[159].end |
2026-05-20T11:55:27.464000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].text |
我們可以來study一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[159].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[160].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[160].start |
2026-05-20T11:55:27.406000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[160].end |
2026-05-20T11:55:27.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].text |
來，部長請上來。 |
| transcript.gazette[160].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[161].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[161].start |
2026-05-20T11:55:27.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[161].end |
2026-05-20T11:55:39.788000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].text |
部長，台糖歸不歸你管？ |
| transcript.gazette[161].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[162].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[162].start |
2026-05-20T11:55:40.529000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[162].end |
2026-05-20T11:55:41.489000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].text |
我們是主管機關。 |
| transcript.gazette[162].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[163].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[163].start |
2026-05-20T11:55:41.489000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[163].end |
2026-05-20T11:56:07.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].text |
是主管機關，好，董事長已經承諾了，接下來的政治責任就是你的責任了，所以接下來台糖有沒有善盡它的企業社會責任，不是只是看說不賠錢而已，不是只是看營收的成長而已，我希望下次董事長跟部長你們一起上雜誌封面，說經濟部將台糖改造成一個符合企業社會責任、重視環保、帶動農業更新的企業，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[163].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[164].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[164].start |
2026-05-20T11:56:08.020000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[164].end |
2026-05-20T11:56:11.802000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].text |
報告委員，我們本來就有在做，但是我們是升級，你講的這一項…… |
| transcript.gazette[164].quality |
0.68 |
| transcript.gazette[165].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[165].start |
2026-05-20T11:56:12.862000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[165].end |
2026-05-20T11:56:16.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].text |
對，環保本來就是所有的國營事業都要做。 |
| transcript.gazette[165].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[166].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[166].start |
2026-05-20T11:56:16.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[166].end |
2026-05-20T11:56:18.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].text |
我講的那三個目標，經濟部可不可以督導？ |
| transcript.gazette[166].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[167].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[167].start |
2026-05-20T11:56:18.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[167].end |
2026-05-20T11:56:19.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].text |
對，我們會來…… |
| transcript.gazette[167].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[168].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[168].start |
2026-05-20T11:56:18.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[168].end |
2026-05-20T11:56:23.467000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].text |
包括靜脈產業，包括循環原料飼料，包括化製廠，這個會不會做？ |
| transcript.gazette[168].quality |
0.76 |
| transcript.gazette[169].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[169].start |
2026-05-20T11:56:23.467000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[169].end |
2026-05-20T11:56:24.247000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].text |
他剛剛提到，他都知道…… |
| transcript.gazette[169].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[170].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[170].start |
2026-05-20T11:56:24.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[170].end |
2026-05-20T11:56:24.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].text |
承諾啦？ |
| transcript.gazette[170].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[171].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[171].start |
2026-05-20T11:56:25.008000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[171].end |
2026-05-20T11:56:25.588000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].text |
好，部長謝謝你，謝謝董事長。 |
| transcript.gazette[171].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[172].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[172].start |
2026-05-20T11:56:25.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[172].end |
2026-05-20T11:56:26.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].text |
然後會study。 |
| transcript.gazette[172].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[173].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[173].start |
2026-05-20T11:56:28.294000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[173].end |
2026-05-20T11:56:28.995000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].text |
不是study啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[173].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[174].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[174].start |
2026-05-20T11:56:29.135000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[174].end |
2026-05-20T11:56:34.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].text |
交個報告來說明一下你們要承諾做多少，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[174].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[175].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[175].start |
2026-05-20T11:56:34.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[175].end |
2026-05-20T11:56:35.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].text |
會交報告。 |
| transcript.gazette[175].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[176].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[176].start |
2026-05-20T11:56:35.022000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[176].end |
2026-05-20T11:56:35.323000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].text |
謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[176].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[177].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[177].start |
2026-05-20T11:56:35.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[177].end |
2026-05-20T11:56:37.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].text |
謝謝鍾佳濱委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[177].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[178].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[178].start |
2026-05-20T11:56:38.123000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[178].end |
2026-05-20T11:56:41.551571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].text |
接下來有請王鴻薇委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[178].quality |
0 |