| IVOD_ID |
169467 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169467 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-20T10:56:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-20T11:06:35+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e8e93c7ebde79bae85ba145a372b6d2cb2ebd91c2d73985b4e525a9eb6f1b73254ed8f2ce0dbea445ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:56:42 - 11:06:35 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣電力股份有限公司、台灣糖業股份有限公司。(詢答)
【所列預算提案於115年6月5日(星期五)下午5時截止收件】
【5月20日及5月21日二天一次會】） |
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休息8分鐘接下來我們有請鄭天才委員質詢主席有請台堂公司董事長有請台堂吳董事長吳董事長你好我們先看這個 |
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台唐的前身就是日本蛛絲會社那日本當初成立蛛絲會社以花蓮台東來講就是將很多的我們原住民的土地變成日本蛛絲會社的土地然後台灣光復之後 |
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這個土地當然台塘日本日本株式會社或是日本這個沒有把這個也無法把這個土地帶回日本但是呢行政院成立了台塘台灣糖業監理委員會然後後來也就成立了台塘公司所以也就將這個這些土地這個行政院發布了這個 |
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收戶區第一位產業處理辦法就將這些日本知識會社的土地全部移給台糖公司成為台糖公司的土地有這樣的一個歷史背景所以後來我們很多的鄉親就要跟台糖成豬自己的土地 |
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被拿走了然後還要成租然後還要繳租金所以當初啊第一次的租業就是35年5月1號所以一直繳租金當台灣省政府時代我過去在台灣省政府服務曾經也跟台糖協調所以當時有這個 |
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增編為原住民保留地後來經審之後第一次是在95年行政院核定將台塘的原住民使用的土地符合增花邊原住民保留地的這個架構由人民會架構我那時候是在人民會擔任副主委常務副主委 |
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然後第二次架構112年7月27號第二次架構當然如果省政府不算的話就行政院來講是第二次我們看這個行政院的函行政院函裡面原則同意並照國家發展委員會審議意見辦理我們現在談這個國發會的審議意見 |
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國發會審議的意見在瓜福二那邊特別提到因為真化邊原住民保留地從過去台灣省政府時代76年開始調查然後77年決定只要是能夠證明77年2月1號以前原住民就使用祖先的土地 |
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就可以增化邊緣原住民保育地這是當時的一個所以國發會也依這個特別提到7721因為上次我們第一次第二次架構都是用35年以前那個之後的有一部分也有架構但是我們現在國發會就特別提到7721以前只要符合 |
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台湾省政府时代所定的祖先留下来的土地会证明的都可以所以就以7721所以这个部分要请台湾公司要把它整个只要是原住民有成租的或者是有占用的 |
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你把這些土地還沒有被延民會架構增變為原住民保留地的全部把它拿出來給這個把土地的地段地號還有誰使用這個土地誰承租誰佔用這個土地給延民會延民會會透過它的增化變原住民保留地的程序去調查 去了解 |
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這樣的話就可以繼續在辦理行政院所核定的第三次的架構這是國發會所交辦的一個任務所以這個部分我本席也曾經質詢過在114年 去年也質詢了所以這個部分不曉得我們的同仁有沒有新的進度 |
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誒 報告委員齁 那個 當然上次也 也那個該 該被降官是反原住民的大概都 都會處理 但是我們一定會遵照這個 我們沒有問題來做這樣的那個處理齁 那當初當然原住民保留地的地方 還有有些地方齁 我家在仲田 隔壁是台南的土地一點點而已 那為什麼勒 因為當初齁 |
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政府要徵收那個要納稅 很多人都不要去納稅因為那時候的那個收入很低嘛 每人都要繳稅大家都不要 那不要讓有一些政府就台糖就被台糖去繳稅 它變成台糖的土地那所以這個有歷史的背景 那這個當然那個台糖也肩負的就是說 |
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那個繳稅然後看幫政府看管土地的功能啊謝謝那我們一定會遵照那個相關的 |
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對 那個董事長你講的是一小部分啦重點是重點就是說國發會已經寫得很明確只要7721以前使用祖先的土地到現在無論是出租的或是佔用的都希望能夠透過振化變成人民保育地當然就是要去演命會還是要去架構嘛那演命會要去釐清所以你們必須你們的責任呢 |
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就是依國發會的意見把這些符合這個條件的全部給人民會,人民會去了解報告委員,我們是有這樣做,現在簽了二七案但是我們會繼續再處理是有在進行的,謝謝好,這個部分要請台糖公司繼續加油但是很重要的 |
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這裡面之所以一直會爭執有時候會拖很久你們台堂一直會強調要試駕 要用試駕 |
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過去這個第一次的時候九十幾年第一次的時候是用公告限制公告限制現在我們都是按照公告限制不是按照市價喔我知道那個董事長如果從我剛才就這個整個台塘企的這個土地你們是賺很多啦為什麼呢第一個本來就不是你買的 |
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不是你台糖公司,一個公司通常土地都是自己買的,對不對?台糖公司的土地不是買的,是政府一個辦法把它直接就交給你了,這是第一個。第二,我們的鄉親自己的土地, |
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然後還要繳租約繳了幾十年的租約從民國35年開始一直繳租約是管理我們要花很多人力那個我知道但是畢竟你你拿到的是租金那個董事長你可能不是很清楚之所以可以真化編寶的地事實上我們的鄉親因為當初是一整片的 |
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日本的時候是一整片事實上我們的鄉親的住家在那邊的或是自行耕種的這些自從台糖接收以後也一樣繼續使用這才會有成豬才會有成豬才會繳豬業所以事實上是他自己使用在管理你們只不過是繳 |
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收租金所以這個部分不要太在意說我有花很多的錢沒有沒有所以這部分我們就依相關的規定來辦理好不好好謝謝委員以後不要再討論什麼市價按照過去的案例公告限值對我們都是遵照公告限值對對對對謝謝好謝謝謝謝好謝謝鄭天才 |