| IVOD_ID |
169438 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169438 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-20T09:44:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-20T09:56:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e8e93c7ebde79baeade8dc7569ab5fc78366f596cea4852f5b6b8e49eb2a9502798c8af07a2370ec5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:44:44 - 09:56:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲與公股行庫董事長及金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆就「公股金融機構數位轉型、人力招募、員工權益及中長期整併規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案行政院歲入預算有關中央銀行股息紅利繳庫部分、財政部及所屬單位歲入預算部分。（僅詢答）
三、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關賦稅署、臺北國稅局、高雄國稅局、北區國稅局及所屬、中區國稅局及所屬、南區國稅局及所屬歲出預算部分。（僅詢答）
【5月20日及21日二天一次會】
【預算提案截止時間：5月21日（四）下午5時】） |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請金管委的陳副主委以及央行的顏副總裁來我們副主委顏副總裁 |
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兩位長官請問一下啦我看最近三年這個累計啊外資調節了超過早啦齁2024年賣超6900億我講股市方面齁2025年賣超了5900億昨天又匯出16億美金央行副總裁要不要講一下這是不是外資啟動大逃殺 |
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根據我們過去看到的資料外資它其實每個月它的操作或者是資金匯出就央行講我們觀察的是資金匯出匯出路的情形它其實每個月的變動還蠻大的並沒有說單向的就是完全一直在匯出或一直在匯入對啦但是累積就匯出啊累積匯出比較多啊我可以講這個啊目前因為它主要還是反映在外資在股市的調節的情況 |
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我們外資到目前為止所有還是淨匯入我們在115年度它匯入了442億美金所以累計總淨匯入是3644億美金所以是說在這個整個來看而且在114年的時候它匯入了368億美金而113年也是378億美金 |
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去年會出多少?去年的話,368億美金匯入匯入368億美金?淨匯入?這裡怎麼賣超5,900?因為他們還是有在裡面的一個調節所以是說他們整體而言是...昨天匯出16億美金,就差不多500億新台幣喔昨天的數字,金管會不會降一下? |
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是 我們看一下昨天的話就是我們如果這樣子累計這樣累計起來的確的確是說我們從3月2號也就是228之後這個所謂的伊朗的這個美伊的事變之後呢的確外資在這邊累計的賣超是這個台幣的74207000多億所以他們看壞台股 |
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知道没有 因为我们在最近来看的话其实外资又转回买入就是说其实现在可能是在一个相形整理前面有一段的时候的确是因为这一个所谓的调节以及台股在结果我们台股从去年到现在涨了将近38%到40多% |
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所以是說在這個時間點做一些相形的調整我想這是一個正常的討論所以台股你不配官 |
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跟美國的比呢?美國的本益比多少?韓國的本益比多少? |
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美國26 韓國21所以是說我們介於美韓之間介於美韓之間我們多少我們是29.25我們都比他們高我們介於他們中間米港一高21 26 我們29所以我們現在是居高思維 |
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在目前的為止來看的話目前為止來看其實我們看這個股市而言我們是挑時沒有偏時所謂挑時不偏時的意思就是說其實在一個市場經濟上面他們都會挑好的一些股那當然台積電一支毒上之後現在都挑時了都挑台積電內股兩位請回我請財政部的莊部長 |
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我也好部長你們要推動公併民了嗎是不是要推動第三次軍改啊原來陳孫遠當總統二次軍改搞得現在外界批評很多 |
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國票金的關股花了400到500億左右董事拿了8席 民股拿了7席那為何關股還要支持耐斯集團的人出任副董事長現在范關股除了華蘭的副董事長 |
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那他有歷史的淵源不一樣華蘭銀行原來的林明成他持股就非常多他的情況不一樣其他的反光股沒有副董事長只有華蘭有而且我們立法院92年5月30號就決議在這裡有一個歷史提案通過了 |
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就是股東會改選董事監察人公股股權代表不得支持非公股代表提案人是民進黨的立委同意了這個案子通過了然後我今天就提一個案根據這樣的精神我們不要讓人家感覺有圖利 |
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民間我政府的錢這麼多投下去我政府的既然公股選股東選董事我就只能投自己所以董事選董事長就只能投自己不要去投特定的一個民間的代表你覺得怎麼樣 |
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委員我想對於國票金這個案子首先我要說明對於這個董事席次的一個提名股東是根據股權實力去提名那在5月29號股東會完成董事改選以後 |
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當然必須根據國票金的章程國票金控的章程公司法的相關規定去做後續的一個派任做後續的派任那至於副董事長在目前來說在國票金的章程裡面本身就有副董事長這個職位那至於後續他們董事會召開的時候如何選任當然這個部分我們必須要尊重公司治理我想這個委員你剛剛提到這個法院的決議是在於在董事跟 |
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監察人選任的時候沒有 我簽訂就 簽訂就進一步提案啊你們的黨是不可以去支持民主代表你們就只能支持自己 或者你不投票讓他們自己競爭 華蘭銀行也是他們自己競爭你們不要介入介入就讓人家覺得這裡面也沒有官商勾結啊 |
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第一個我想國票金這個部分財政部並不是屬於財政部的投資事業財政部也沒有派任董事而是我們泛公股事業他們根據相關的法律完成提名的那這涉及到公司的質而且泛公股也都是上市公司董事長你們派了張照順嘛不管怎麼樣張照順你們派我覺得OK |
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總經理你們派也是OK 如果是你們派 或者是給民工可是再怎麼樣 這個投票的時候不能夠你們的董事去投民間的董事人家就是你們掛鉤啊 官民掛鉤勾結啊 |
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很難聽喔相關的董事是由股東大會選出來的我想這個部分我們必須要尊重整體的公司治理我會講你的立場啊你們的關股代表的董事的一個動作來要寫一個提案我可以去投不是關股代表你這次去投 |
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我們的立場就是請我們的公股事業對他所推派的一個董事其實必須要去強化國票金的公司制度提升的經營的技巧然後我們要確保投資效益你這個講官話啦你當然他沒有問你的意見啊你一定問部長的意見啊我們來看馬英九 蔡英文他們總共住了16年他們都不敢再講金蓋 |
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二十金改結果賴總統上任滿二年就做了這個是圖令鳴鼓耶要為了國票金合併張映我們覺得好奇怪當初張映才敢做台新金啊現在因為國票金張映董事長哪裡沒有張映董事長 |
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張瑩董事長來了沒有 張瑩董事長國票金什麼時候要進張瑩了我們都不知道有國票金要進張瑩啊有嗎 沒有啊 我們都不知道外面不斷的傳說國票金這一次關股介入就是循著這個模式要併張瑩你張瑩的董事長你要講個話委員好 目前張瑩這邊無所稀 |
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沒有接到任何訊息,這純粹是媒體這邊傳的,是報派傳的報派,不然你要表態一點,你說不歡迎啊,你要講話啊,你說不歡迎啊,你表態啊我目前做得很好,而且是以小變大,國票金這麼小,要變李彰穎這麼大當初台新進把他被趕走也是這個理由啊 |
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目前張宇還是自己做內部成長那對於未來任何可能性我想我們到時候如果有任何可能我們再去做評估 |
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委員 我想還是要等國票已經改選以後 讓他強化公司治理所以不排除這個可以嗎 你講真的話沒有所謂的圖利民憑 請委員不要在這邊下這樣的一個定義最後一個小問題 你對於台圖書 我們在這裡講了半天 剛才委員提到 |
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提高午餐會 殖民生意補助 員工理財信託都沒有落實 你就一個嘉興那個生地貸多少錢 那個是跟中央政府一樣的 其他通行沒有落實 難怪留不住人才啊請講一下 講一下 |
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我們接下來請第四位郭國榮委員 |