| IVOD_ID |
169426 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169426 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第10次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第10次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-19T15:12:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-19T15:28:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8880074e6a4cf30b79bd82e1703d9e02a9272009bde436eabc4933aab1f43f739536cfb3f57e8d525ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱慧洳 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:12:55 - 15:28:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-19T10:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第10次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「本（第5）會期延長會期至115年7月31日止。」是否有當？請公決案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、總統彈劾案事項。（5月19日上午）四、「保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力計畫第一批發價書採購特別預算案籌編相關事項」專案報告。（5月19日下午）五、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、國防部部長及相關部會首長列席報告保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力計畫第一批發價書採購特別預算案編製經過並備質詢。【如經本院同意行政院籌編特別預算案則於5月20日(三)下午加開】六、5月15日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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邱委員慧洳 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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邱委員慧洳 |
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好有請卓院長是那部長如果覺得有需要再請自行上台謝謝 |
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是 院長好 我今天想跟你交流就是我們的軍購是為了拼國防還是為了拼外交所謂拼外交就是把軍購預算當公關費再花不過我當然希望不是這樣你心裡知道不是這樣 |
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我希望 我是說我希望你心裡應該知道不是這樣等一下就是要有15分鐘的時間可以讓你澄清好那院長我想跟你請教就是去年11月3號國防部在國防外交委員會曾經提出一個專案報告那在這個專案報告當中我們得知呢有三個類型的武器呢在交貨騎乘上出現延宕的 |
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的問題那這三個武器分別是AGM-154C飛彈F-16V戰機還有MK-48重型魚雷那這三個品項加起來的金額高達3886億金額非常的巨大 |
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那根據我們跟對方簽的合約交貨期程應該是在今年但是卻出現延宕那延宕針對魚雷還有飛彈這兩個品項延宕的時間是二到三年那F16延宕的時程目前核實交貨沒有時間表那我這邊就想請教卓院長就是說因為我們購買這些品項其實就是為了提升我們軍事武器的性能 |
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但是因為這些武器的交貨期程延大有二到三年的空窗期那我們在自我防衛上會不會也出現空窗期會不會影響到我們整體的建軍整備計畫院長在過去五年我們對美採購的這多項的武器裝備當中目前還在 |
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還沒有交貨的部分正在執行交運當中也將於後續的時間內陸續的交運那麼已經有當中其他的幾項有的是按時有的甚至已經完成了這些我都理解但是這三個品項它其實就是延宕二到三延宕有各他不同的因素 |
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我有看到專案報告當中當然有做一些分析那像F16V這個就是交貨完全沒有時間表那完全沒有時間表我舉一個例子如果今天2027年中共要攻打台灣但是這些武器卻2028、2029年才到貨那戰爭都打完了請問這些武器到貨還有什麼意義呢那我想 |
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F16V這個部分請部長來說明目前已經有比較明確的一個試程的進度是我們現在預計就是九月會有第一架的飛機飛船那現在應該也有五十幾架的這個飛機站在這個生產線因為我們透過跟美國 |
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所以明確的時程雙岸的辦公室一直密切的聯繫我瞭解可不可以回答問題快很準因為我有六個問題因為不夠快的話可能會浪費時間那我簡單的問打仗不是打混摸魚打仗是要打起12萬分的精神來加以應對 |
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那遲到的武器會不會讓我們漏氣我擔心的是這個問題那當然對於延遲交貨的這些武器國防部我有注意到你們有具體的一些因應作為具體的因應作為就是說台美雙方透過會議嚴加控管那還有就是針對一些武器它實際製造的時程我們來調整我們的付款時間不會說你錢交了武器沒有到位其實這樣對我們的權益就受到損害 |
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還沒有付款是那對我有了解那當然接著呢美國他們這邊也知道我們心急所以他們就要組成專案小組加以推動這些國防部呢有做這些努力那只是我們不知道努力只是流於口號還是有具體的後續因為我們擔心的就是啊然後就沒有然後了 |
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部長我想F16我剛剛已經說明了我們現在要求增加這個產線所以已經有五十幾架在線組裝當中那麼第一架的飛行測試已經開始那我想如果能夠順利完成的話我們預期在今年的九月可以飛返那今年的年底以前我們會儘速能夠有 |
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這個政府的家屬能夠配合院長我希望你們今天所做的回答都是說到做到我們台灣民眾黨就是一個說到做到的政黨那相信這個精神你們要學習要模仿要複製貼上我們都予以非常的樂觀表示那我在這邊請問一下這些具體的因應作為還有這些美國專案小組的積極推動這樣的一個積極作為會不會落實在未來第一批軍購案的品項因為我們真的很害怕 |
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武器交貨時程延宕的事情又再重蹈覆轍這樣子跟委員報告我想我們對於這個美方就這個現在涉及到的這個軍購的案項我們都跟美方有一個長期規劃美方也給我們一個保證信函內容說明了這個相關的交易期程雙方也會互相成立專案辦公室 |
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謝謝李姐我想這個禮拜最沸沸揚揚的新聞就川習會那川普也接受福斯電台的訪問那我想他講了幾個名言那我在這邊我想大家非常耳熟能詳但因為太關鍵還是需要再說一下第一個就是說對台軍售是美中談判一個最好的籌碼 |
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再來就是他希望台海維持現狀不要台獨然後兩岸需要兩方需要冷靜那關於軍售案他考慮中也許批准也許不批准那我想這個話說起來說出來當然就引起我們台灣社會的嘩然那索性我們這些 |
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美國眾議院跨黨派的議員呢非常力挺台灣就是敦促川普呢一定要落實軍購案的承諾那我想他們的動心起念就覺得說支持我們台灣提升自我防衛的能力才能夠維持台海的和平跟穩定嘛那現在重點來了就是這個 |
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到底會不會出現變數因為川普在對岸有這樣的談話軍購會不會出現變數到底美國會賣給我們還是不會請問我們政府這邊有掌握嗎因為他說他還在思考中 |
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我也很感謝委員有注意到美國包括他的卡納議員以及夏亨等十位議員都認為要趕快批准對台灣的各項的軍售也要堅守1982年的六項保證委員有注意到了美方事實上很多的論述是在維持現在的現狀不容許武力或強迫性的改變但是委員又怕說會不會川習會之後會有什麼變化那這個問題幫助委員你投下反對票的那個時候你應該自己問自己才對 |
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什麼反對票你反對我們的軍購特別預算的時候我們通過啦 我們七千八百億不是舉身守著戰成嗎如果全數通過今天就沒有反悔的問題了今天就沒有反悔的問題了如果全數通過今天我們沒有這樣的問題了你剛剛有提到說對台六項保證嘛那我現在想請問 |
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對台六項保證你也提到它的背景是起源於1982年那有台美關係把台灣關係法那其實當時的817公報其實就是減少對台灣的軍售那這個對台六項的保證就因應而生那這個保證也在2016年他以這個共同決議的方式獲得這個 |
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參眾兩院的支持那現在對台六項保證會不會已經煙消雲散了因為其中有一個就提到說對台軍售美國不能去不需要去諮詢那個中國的意見可是最近我們就看到川普已經把 |
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那個浮上水面了在跟川喜會見面的時候那不知道這個對台六項保證還在嗎那您的看法是如何那這是外交重大的一個事項有沒有需要責成外交部長去問AIT請他給個說法 |
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外交部以及國安單位在過去這段時間是密切在關注各項國際發展尤其是川普總統跟習近平主席互相之間的互動所以我們是有把握到各種他們互動之間對於台灣各種的發展但是他就跑到中國去談對台軍售那這個要怎麼處理除了關注之外我們政府的態度是如何 |
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那包括美國國務卿盧比奧盧比奧也說雙方對台的保證政策不會改變也不希望用武力或強迫的方式來改變台海的現狀我知道啦 就是口頭說不會改變但是事實上這個保證已經在對岸煙消雲散了因為其實他就是去談對台軍售然後準尋他的意見沒有問題 那其實我想對台這個保證 |
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跟台灣關係法我覺得院長也都非常的看重那現在重點就是說他是台海兩岸其實的互動的一個指引那我們台灣民眾黨因為剛剛院長好像對我們台灣民眾黨有所誤會7800億我們是投下贊成的 |
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我們希望的是1.25兆1.25兆4700億也沒有說絕對的反對到底但是我們是希望以公務預算的方式來呈現加強監督的力道好那沒關係我們台灣民眾黨對於軍購案我們大力贊成那其實我們多次對外的呼籲說美國對於第二批發價 |
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第二批軍購案其實要趕快送國會然後審查過後趕快公佈那美國也表示說第二批的軍購案應該也能夠如期進行而且他還希望我們把第二批軍購案的預算放到特別條例當中我們也放了然後三讀也通過了所以我們做到了反觀川普去講一些其實有一點傷害我們台灣人民感情的話例如說 |
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對台軍售是最大的籌碼我相信聽在院長耳裡應該也是心裡有無限的遺憾然後又說不會跑到萬里之外的台灣來協助我們打仗那我現在就是想問院長你覺得這個軍購的合約到底履行不履行的下去能不能如實履行如果如實履行之後能不能如期交貨因為我剛提到那三個重要的武器不就是延宕延宕再延宕 |
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那我擔心的是這個那想請教院長台灣作為一個可靠的合作夥伴我們對國際的合作我們都抱持會誠心來履約的態度跟精神當然我們也相信我們的對手方也會跟我們同樣來履行這樣的合約所以這個過程 |
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過去幾年因為種種的國際因素包括疫後包括俄武戰爭等等交貨時間或許容許有貨車目前我們是雙方走主的專案辦公室來處理那現在院長有這麼強的信心我覺得很好因為川普他在對岸講的是一個背道而馳的一個結果嘛說他在考慮有可能批准有可能不是 |
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院長有這樣的信心我覺得很好好那我接著呢再來跟院長來請教就是說關於呢這個軍購品項的金額低批發價書上面的那些品項金額好像浮動來浮動去高高低低起起浮浮 |
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那這個我們講一下就是關於這個第一批發價書裡頭的那些品項去年國防部美國的國防部12月17號他有公佈品項然後相對應的金額那這個金額其實 |
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美國公布的是1267那3月我們國防部提出來的金額是1375又過了一個月來到8111那這個數字為什麼會這樣高低起伏那我就想說這個金額變低了是不是國防部有很強的溢價能力去幫我們爭取到這些經濟實惠用更便宜的價錢買到 |
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結果再往下看數字不對啊有些數字美國國防部報的比較低我們有提升個幾十億幾百億這樣的一個情形那就讓我覺得說不是溢價能力變好是這個數字報來報去高高低低那我覺得這中間有貓膩嗎那以發價書為準確認金額請問有那麼困難嗎高高低低是想要規避監督責任還是便宜行事金額流用我想委員是可能不太了解經過的整個程序 |
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因為當時民眾黨提出的那個金額你們是去抄那個當時智慧國會的那個金額我們也一再廣布一再一再的說明智慧國會是一個金額發價數過來是一個金額最後預約的時候就是美方跟他們的這個合約商在一圈約的時候會正式過來會再有一個金額所以每一個金額的互動 |
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因為軍售是美國對台灣的一個承諾他還要去跟合約商簽約那如果有智慧國會就是公開的沒智慧國會就是秘密這個流程真的非常的熟悉我了解那我們真的對這個金額的高低起伏難免會覺得說是不是想要規避監督還是說想要乾坤大挪移所以我們當時才說你們不能夠只要把金額寫在條例上面我們一講再講 |
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我們你當然一講再講啦但是是非對錯我們心中當然有一把尺我們有我們的認定沒有關係我們就是直播給2300萬人民來做一個評斷那我最後想做一個結語就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
854.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
869.977 |
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這次我跟著韓院長到英國跟法國去國會外交那其實有拜訪英國跟法國的智庫那他們其實非常關心兩岸的和平還有區域的穩定以及軍購案他們都非常的關切我在國外 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
870.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
885.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
不斷的回覆就是針對這些軍購軍購案還有能源政策在跟他們做一些意見的交換那我在想後職國防實力這個是一定需要的但是監督是民主的核心那所以錢一定要花在刀口上 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
885.911 |
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907.887 |
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每一分錢應該花在提升自我防衛的戰力上而不應該是撫編亂編那我們在這邊也期待行政院或者是責成國防部好好的來完善我們的建軍計畫完善我們的採購內容完善我們的交貨期程 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
911.73 |
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929.043 |
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因為這是政府責無旁貸的責任因為只有提升自我防衛的能力才能夠維持兩岸的和平也才能夠維持區域的穩定是委員連歐洲的國家都這麼關注台灣的安全跟國防我們怎麼可以自己放棄呢所以委員剛剛所說的你剛剛所說的對國防的嘗試大家都很清楚但是你要尊重國防 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-05-19T15:13:12.834000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-05-19T15:13:15.798000+08:00 |
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有請卓院長。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-05-19T15:13:15.798000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-19T15:13:16.798000+08:00 |
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請卓院長備詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-05-19T15:13:16.198000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-05-19T15:13:18.741000+08:00 |
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部長如果覺得有需要再請自行上臺，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-05-19T15:13:18.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-05-19T15:13:25.339000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
邱委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-05-19T15:13:25.339000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-05-19T15:13:25.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
院長好。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-05-19T15:13:25.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-05-19T15:13:32.427000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
我今天想跟你交流的是，我們的軍購是為了拼國防，還是為了拼外交？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-05-19T15:13:33.108000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-05-19T15:13:38.274000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
所謂拼外交，就是把軍購預算當公關費在花。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-05-19T15:13:38.935000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-05-19T15:13:41.758000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
不過我當然希望不是這樣、不是這樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-05-19T15:13:41.758000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-05-19T15:13:42.539000+08:00 |
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你心裡知道不是這樣。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-05-19T15:13:43.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-05-19T15:13:44.721000+08:00 |
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我希望，我是說我希望。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-05-19T15:13:44.761000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-05-19T15:13:45.242000+08:00 |
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你心裡應該知道不是這樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-05-19T15:13:45.242000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-05-19T15:13:48.104000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
等一下會有15分鐘的時間可以讓你澄清。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-05-19T15:13:50.606000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-05-19T15:14:07.358000+08:00 |
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院長，我想跟你請教，就是去年11月3號，國防部在外交及國防委員會曾經提出專案報告，從這個專案報告當中，我們得知有三個類型的武器在交貨期程上出現延宕問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.91 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-05-19T15:14:08.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-05-19T15:14:19.807000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
這三個武器分別是AGM-154C飛彈、F-16V戰機，還有MK-48重型魚雷。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-05-19T15:14:21.108000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-05-19T15:14:23.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
這三個品項加起來的金額高達3,886億，金額非常巨大。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-05-19T15:14:28.012000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-05-19T15:14:36.715000+08:00 |
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根據我們與對方簽的合約，交貨期程應該是在今年，但卻出現延宕！ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-05-19T15:14:36.715000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-05-19T15:14:45.959000+08:00 |
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針對魚雷還有飛彈這兩個品項，延宕的時間是二到三年，至於F-16V延宕的時程，目前何時交貨？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-05-19T15:14:45.959000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-05-19T15:14:46.859000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
沒有時間表！ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-05-19T15:14:47.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-05-19T15:15:04.209000+08:00 |
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我在這邊想請教卓院長，因為我們購買這些品項其實就是為了提升軍事武器的性能嘛，但是這些武器的交貨期程延宕，有2到3年的空窗期，我們在自我防衛上會不會也出現空窗期？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.959 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-05-19T15:15:04.969000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-05-19T15:15:09.713000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
會不會影響到整體建軍整備計畫？院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-05-19T15:15:09.713000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-05-19T15:15:30.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
在過去5年我們對美採購的多項武器裝備當中，目前還沒有交貨的部分正在執行交運當中，也將於後續時間內陸續交運，當中的其他幾項，有的是按時、有的甚至已經完成了，這個都是事實。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-05-19T15:15:30.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-05-19T15:15:35.828000+08:00 |
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這些我都理解、這些我都理解，但是這三個品項其實就是延宕了2到3年。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.679 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-05-19T15:15:36.208000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-05-19T15:15:38.429000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
延宕各有不同的因素，國防部…… |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-05-19T15:15:38.969000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-05-19T15:15:48.012000+08:00 |
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我看到專案報告當中有做一些分析，像F-16V就是交貨完全沒有時間表。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-05-19T15:15:48.132000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-05-19T15:16:02.096000+08:00 |
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我舉一個例子，如果2027年中共要攻打臺灣，但是這些武器卻2028年、2029年才到貨，戰爭都打完了，請問這些武器到貨還有什麼意義呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-05-19T15:16:04.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-05-19T15:16:09.362000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
有關F-16V的部分，我請部長來說明，目前已經有比較明確的時程進度了。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.793 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-05-19T15:16:09.362000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-05-19T15:16:10.924000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
好，請說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-05-19T15:16:10.924000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-05-19T15:16:20.373000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
我們現在預計在9月會有第一架飛機飛返，現在應該也有五十幾架的飛機正在生產線，因為…… |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-05-19T15:16:21.474000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-05-19T15:16:22.575000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
所以明確的時程…… |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-05-19T15:16:23.296000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-05-19T15:16:25.098000+08:00 |
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我們跟美方的專案辦公室一直密切的聯繫、合作，增加產能…… |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.458 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-05-19T15:16:25.098000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-05-19T15:16:27.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
我了解，回答問題可不可以快狠準？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-05-19T15:16:27.660000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-05-19T15:16:32.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
因為我有6個問題，如果不夠快的話，可能會浪費時間。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-05-19T15:16:32.385000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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2026-05-19T15:16:43.755000+08:00 |
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我簡單的問，打仗不是打混摸魚，打仗是要打起十二萬分的精神來加以應對，遲到的武器會不會讓我們漏氣啦？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-05-19T15:16:43.755000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-05-19T15:16:44.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
我擔心的是這個問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-05-19T15:16:45.976000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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2026-05-19T15:17:09.663000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
當然，對於延遲交貨的這些武器，我有注意到國防部有一些具體的因應作為，具體的因應作為是臺美雙方透過會議嚴加控管，還有就是針對一些武器的實際製造時程來調整我們的付款時間，不會錢繳了但武器沒有到位，這樣我們的權益會受到損害…… |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-05-19T15:17:10.243000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-05-19T15:17:10.583000+08:00 |
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對，還沒有付款，沒有交貨。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-05-19T15:17:12.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-05-19T15:17:13.045000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
對，我有了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-05-19T15:17:14.787000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-05-19T15:17:27.497000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
美國也知道我們很心急，所以他們組成專案小組加以推動，國防部有做這些努力，但我們不知道努力只是流於口號還是有具體的後續？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-05-19T15:17:27.497000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-05-19T15:17:32.330000+08:00 |
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因為我們擔心的就是然後就沒有然後了，部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
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顧部長立雄 |
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2026-05-19T15:17:33.731000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:17:52.032000+08:00 |
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沒有，針對F-16V，我剛剛已經說明了，我們現在要求增加產線，所以已經有五十幾架在線組裝當中，第一架的飛行測試已經開始，如果能夠順利完成的話，我們預期在今年的9月可以飛返，今年年底以前我們會盡速，希望有更多的架次能夠飛返。 |
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| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-05-19T15:17:55.648000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:18:08.915000+08:00 |
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部長、院長，我希望你們今天所做的回答都是說到做到，我們台灣民眾黨就是一個說到做到的政黨，相信這個精神你們要學習、要模仿、要複製貼上，我們都予以非常的樂觀表示。 |
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0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-05-19T15:18:09.735000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:18:21.201000+08:00 |
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我在這邊請問一下，這些具體的因應作為及跟美國專案小組的積極推動，這樣的積極作為會不會落實在未來第一批軍購案的品項？ |
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0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-05-19T15:18:21.201000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-05-19T15:18:26.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
因為我們真的很害怕武器交貨時程延宕的事情又再重蹈覆轍。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-05-19T15:18:27.926000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-05-19T15:18:42.055000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，對於美方現在涉及的軍購案項，我們都跟美方有個長期規劃，美方也給我們一個保證信函，內容說明了相關的交付期程…… |
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0.981 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-05-19T15:18:42.055000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-05-19T15:18:43.055000+08:00 |
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好，理解，謝謝。 |
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0 |
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顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-05-19T15:18:42.075000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-05-19T15:18:44.797000+08:00 |
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雙方也會互相成立專案辦公室來…… |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-05-19T15:18:45.357000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-05-19T15:18:45.357000+08:00 |
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謝謝，理解。 |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-05-19T15:18:46.018000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:18:58.430000+08:00 |
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我想這個禮拜最沸沸揚揚的新聞就是川習會，川普也接受福斯電台的訪問，他講了幾個名言，我想大家非常的耳熟能詳，但是因為太關鍵了，還是需要再說一下。 |
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0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-05-19T15:18:58.991000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:19:14.429000+08:00 |
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第一個就是對臺軍售是美中談判最好的籌碼；再來就是他希望臺海維持現狀、不要臺獨，然後兩方需要冷靜；關於軍售案，他考慮中，也許批准、也許不批准。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-05-19T15:19:14.870000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-05-19T15:19:29.821000+08:00 |
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我想這個話說出來當然就引起臺灣社會譁然，所幸美國眾議院跨黨派的議員非常力挺臺灣，就敦促川普一定要落實軍購案的承諾。 |
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0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-05-19T15:19:29.941000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-05-19T15:19:37.683000+08:00 |
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我想他們的動心起念是覺得，支持臺灣提升自我防衛能力，才可以維持臺海的和平跟穩定嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-05-19T15:19:38.543000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-05-19T15:19:44.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
現在重點來了，這個到底會不會出現變數？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-05-19T15:19:44.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-05-19T15:19:49.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
因為川普在對岸有這樣的談話，軍購會不會出現變數？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-05-19T15:19:49.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-05-19T15:19:54.338000+08:00 |
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到底美國會賣給我們還是不會，請問我們政府這邊有掌握嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-05-19T15:19:54.338000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-05-19T15:19:55.679000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
因為他說他還在思考中啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-05-19T15:19:56.320000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-05-19T15:20:09.786000+08:00 |
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我很感謝委員有注意到美國包括卡納議員以及夏亨等10位議員都認為要趕快批准對臺灣的各項軍售，也要堅守1982年的六項保證，委員有注意到了。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.983 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-05-19T15:20:10.567000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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2026-05-19T15:20:19.231000+08:00 |
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事實上美方很多的論述是在維持現在的現狀，不容許武力或強迫性的改變，但是委員又怕川習會之後會不會有什麼變化？對、是。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-05-19T15:20:21.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-05-19T15:20:24.033000+08:00 |
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這個問題在當初委員投下反對票的那個時候，你應該自己問自己才對。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-05-19T15:20:24.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-05-19T15:20:25.313000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
什麼反對票？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-05-19T15:20:25.814000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-05-19T15:20:28.175000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
你反對我們的軍購特別預算的時候。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-05-19T15:20:28.335000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-05-19T15:20:31.637000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
我們通過了，7,800億我們不是舉雙手贊成嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.647 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-05-19T15:20:31.637000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-05-19T15:20:34.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
如果全數通過，今天就沒有反悔的問題了。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-05-19T15:20:34.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-05-19T15:20:37.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
4,700億，我們是覺得這些委製跟商用的，其實應該放到公務預算…… |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.04 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-05-19T15:20:37.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-05-19T15:20:39.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
如果全數通過，今天我們沒有這樣的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-05-19T15:20:40.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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2026-05-19T15:21:12.282000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
院長剛剛有提到對臺六項保證，那我現在想請問，對臺六項保證，你也提到它的背景是起源於1982年，有臺灣關係法，當時的八一七公報其實就是減少對臺灣的軍售，對臺六項保證就因應而生，這個保證也在2016年以共同決議的方式獲得參眾兩院的支持，現在對臺六項保證會不會已經煙消雲散了？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-05-19T15:21:12.522000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-05-19T15:21:31.622000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
因為其中有一個就提到，對臺軍售，美國不需要去諮詢中國的意見，可是最近我們就看到川習會的時候，川普已經把它浮上水面了，不知道這個對臺六項保證還在嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.896 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-05-19T15:21:31.982000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-05-19T15:21:33.023000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
您的看法是如何？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-05-19T15:21:33.984000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-05-19T15:21:39.651000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
這是外交重大的事項，有沒有需要責成外交部長去問AIT，請他給個說法？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-05-19T15:21:41.294000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-05-19T15:21:56.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
外交部以及國安單位在過去這段時間是密切在關注各項國際發展，尤其是川普總統跟習近平主席之間的互動，所以我們是有把握到他們互動之間有關臺灣的各種發展狀況。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-05-19T15:21:56.910000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-05-19T15:22:00.734000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
我了解，但是他就跑到中國去談對臺軍售，那這個要怎麼處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-05-19T15:22:00.894000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-05-19T15:22:03.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
除了關注之外，我們政府的態度是如何？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-05-19T15:22:03.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-05-19T15:22:04.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
有沒有抗議或者是反映？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-05-19T15:22:03.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-05-19T15:22:13.523000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
包括美國國務卿盧比歐也說，雙方對臺的政策不會改變，也不希望用武力或強迫的方式來改變臺海的現狀。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-05-19T15:22:13.523000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-05-19T15:22:13.944000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
我知道啦…… |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-05-19T15:22:13.944000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-05-19T15:22:14.944000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
就是美國參院軍事委員會的主席…… |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.143 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-05-19T15:22:14.684000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-05-19T15:22:16.706000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
就是口頭說不會改變，但是事實上這個保證已經在對岸煙消雲散了嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-05-19T15:22:16.706000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-05-19T15:22:17.706000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
沒有、沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-05-19T15:22:16.786000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-05-19T15:22:17.966000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
因為其實他就是去談對臺軍售，然後徵詢中國的意見。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-05-19T15:22:17.966000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-05-19T15:22:18.966000+08:00 |
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美國軍事委員會的主席維克也說，習近平企圖以武力來改變現狀，對世界是一場災難。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
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2026-05-19T15:22:17.966000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:22:18.046000+08:00 |
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好，沒有問題。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-05-19T15:22:18.147000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:22:44.563000+08:00 |
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我想對臺保證跟臺灣關係法，院長也都非常的看重，現在重點就是說，它是臺海兩岸互動的一個指引，那我們台灣民眾黨，因為剛剛院長好像對我們台灣民眾黨有所誤會，7,800億我們是按下贊成的燈。 |
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0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-05-19T15:22:49.526000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:22:50.907000+08:00 |
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我們希望的是1.25兆，那才能…… |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
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2026-05-19T15:22:51.708000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:22:59.775000+08:00 |
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1.25兆、4,700億也沒有絕對的反對到底，但是我們是希望以公務預算的方式來呈現，加強監督的力道。 |
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0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
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2026-05-19T15:23:00.176000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:23:26.540000+08:00 |
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好，那沒關係，我們台灣民眾黨對於軍購案是大力贊成，其實我們多次對外呼籲，美國對於第二批軍購案其實要趕快送國會，然後審查過後趕快公布，美國也表示第二批的軍購案應該也能夠如期進行，而且他還希望我們把第二批軍購案的預算放到特別條例當中，我們也放了，然後三讀也通過了，所以我們做到了。 |
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| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
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2026-05-19T15:23:26.920000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:23:43.934000+08:00 |
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反觀川普去講一些其實有一點傷害我們臺灣人民感情的話，例如說，對臺軍售是最大的籌碼，我相信聽在院長耳裡應該也是心裡有無限的遺憾，然後又說不會跑到萬里之外的臺灣來協助我們打仗。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
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2026-05-19T15:23:45.015000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:23:50.420000+08:00 |
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我現在就是想問院長，你覺得這個軍購的合約到底履行不履行得下去？ |
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0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-05-19T15:23:50.580000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-05-19T15:23:51.901000+08:00 |
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能不能如實履行？ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-05-19T15:23:52.841000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-05-19T15:23:56.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
如果如實履行，之後能不能如期交貨？ |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-05-19T15:23:56.324000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-05-19T15:23:59.607000+08:00 |
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因為我剛剛提到那三個重要的武器不就是延宕、延宕再延宕嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-05-19T15:24:01.548000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-05-19T15:24:05.111000+08:00 |
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我擔心的是這個，那想請教院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-05-19T15:24:05.111000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:24:29.661000+08:00 |
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臺灣作為一個可靠的合作夥伴，我們對國際的合作都抱持會誠心來履約的這個態度跟精神，當然我們也相信我們的對手方也會跟我們同樣來履行這樣的合約，所以這個過程，過去幾年因為種種的國際因素，包括疫後、包括俄烏戰爭等等，交貨時間或許容許有落差…… |
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0.954 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-05-19T15:24:29.661000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
1 |
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2026-05-19T15:24:30.661000+08:00 |
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院長，我當然覺得你是在信心喊話。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-05-19T15:24:30.482000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-05-19T15:24:33.285000+08:00 |
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目前是雙方籌組了專案辦公室來處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-05-19T15:24:33.505000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:24:44.897000+08:00 |
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行政院長有這麼強的信心我覺得很好，因為川普在對岸講的是一個背道而馳的結果，說他在考慮有可能批准、有可能不是，但院長有這樣的信心我覺得很好。 |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-05-19T15:24:45.798000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:24:57.031000+08:00 |
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接著再來跟院長請教，關於軍購品項的金額，第一批發價書上面的那些品項，金額好像浮動來浮動去、高高低低、起起伏伏。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.918 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-05-19T15:24:59.633000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-05-19T15:25:24.216000+08:00 |
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我們講一下，關於第一批發價書裡頭的那些品項，去年美國國防部在12月17號有公布品項以及相對應的金額，這個金額其實美國公布的是1,267億，3月我們國防部提出來的金額是1,375億，又過了一個月，來到810億，這個數字為什麼會這樣高低起伏？ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.884 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-05-19T15:25:24.516000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-05-19T15:25:31.843000+08:00 |
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我就想這個金額變低了，是不是國防部有很強的議價能力，去幫我們爭取到這些經濟實惠、用更便宜的價錢買到？ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-05-19T15:25:33.104000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-05-19T15:25:34.705000+08:00 |
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結果再往下看數字，不對啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-05-19T15:25:34.885000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:25:49.556000+08:00 |
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有些數字是美國國防部報得比較低，我們有提升個幾十億、幾百億這樣的情形，就讓我覺得不是議價能力變好，而是這個數字報來報去、高高低低，那這中間有貓膩嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.94 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-05-19T15:25:49.756000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-05-19T15:25:54.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
以發價書為準確認金額，請問有那麼困難嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-05-19T15:25:54.259000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:25:58.062000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
高高低低是想要規避監督責任，還是便宜行事金額流用的問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-05-19T15:25:58.062000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-05-19T15:25:59.062000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
請部長說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-05-19T15:25:58.502000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-05-19T15:26:01.164000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
我想委員可能不太了解經過的整個程序…… |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-05-19T15:26:01.164000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-05-19T15:26:02.245000+08:00 |
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我們了解，非常了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-05-19T15:26:02.245000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:26:08.310000+08:00 |
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因為當時民眾黨提出的那個金額，你們是去抄當時知會國會的那個金額。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-05-19T15:26:08.310000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-05-19T15:26:22.161000+08:00 |
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我們國防部也一再一再地說明，知會國會是一個金額，發價書過來是一個金額，最後議約的時候，就是美方跟他們的合約商在簽約的時候會正式過來，會再有一個金額。 |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-05-19T15:26:22.161000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-05-19T15:26:23.161000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
我知道啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-05-19T15:26:23.161000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-05-19T15:26:24.161000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
那個程序我非常的了解…… |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-05-19T15:26:22.161000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-05-19T15:26:22.802000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
所以每一個金額的浮動…… |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-05-19T15:26:22.802000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-05-19T15:26:27.065000+08:00 |
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其實就是10億以上要經過立法院同意，要送行政院、送立法院同意…… |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-05-19T15:26:27.065000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-05-19T15:26:32.667000+08:00 |
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因為軍售是美國對臺灣的一個承諾，他還要去跟合約商簽約嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-05-19T15:26:32.667000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-05-19T15:26:33.667000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
所以這不可能是…… |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-05-19T15:26:32.847000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-05-19T15:26:36.589000+08:00 |
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如果有知會國會就是公開的，沒知會國會就是秘密…… |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-05-19T15:26:36.589000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-05-19T15:26:37.589000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
不可能有國防部浮編這種問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-05-19T15:26:37.289000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-05-19T15:26:39.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
這個流程真的非常熟悉，我了解！ |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-05-19T15:26:39.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-05-19T15:26:46.773000+08:00 |
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我們真的對這個金額的高低起伏，難免會覺得是不是想要規避監督，還是說想要乾坤大挪移來做金額的流用？ |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0.844 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-05-19T15:26:47.033000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-05-19T15:26:50.514000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
所以我們當時才說你們不能夠直接把金額寫在條例上面啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-05-19T15:26:51.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-05-19T15:26:51.454000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
我們一講再講！ |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-05-19T15:26:53.716000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-05-19T15:26:55.136000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
你當然一講再講啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-05-19T15:26:55.317000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
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2026-05-19T15:26:58.659000+08:00 |
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但是是非對錯，我們心中當然有一把尺，我們有我們的認定，人民也有人民的認定。 |
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0.727 |
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顧部長立雄 |
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2026-05-19T15:26:58.659000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-19T15:26:59.659000+08:00 |
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但你們的特別條例直接寫金額就是不對的啊！ |
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0 |
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邱委員慧洳 |
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2026-05-19T15:26:58.819000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:26:59.879000+08:00 |
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沒有關係，我們就是直播給2,300萬人民來做一個評斷。 |
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0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
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2026-05-19T15:26:59.959000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:27:24.496000+08:00 |
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我最後想做一個結語，這次我跟著韓院長到英國跟法國去進行國會外交，有拜訪英國跟法國的智庫，他們非常關心兩岸的和平，還有區域的穩定，以及軍購案他們都非常的關切！ |
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0.972 |
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邱委員慧洳 |
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2026-05-19T15:27:24.796000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:27:32.023000+08:00 |
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我在國外不斷地回復，就是針對這些軍購案還有能源政策跟他們做一些意見的交換。 |
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0.943 |
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邱委員慧洳 |
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2026-05-19T15:27:32.163000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:27:50.498000+08:00 |
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我在想，厚植國防實力是一定需要的，但是監督是民主的核心，所以錢一定要花在刀口上，每一分錢都應該花在提升自我防衛的戰力上，而不應該是浮編、亂編。 |
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0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
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2026-05-19T15:27:50.658000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:28:14.936000+08:00 |
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我們在這邊也期待行政院，或者是責成國防部，好好的來完善我們的建軍計畫、完善我們的採購內容、完善我們的交貨期程，因為這是政府責無旁貸的責任，只有提升自我防衛的能力，才能夠維持兩岸的和平，也才能夠維持區域的穩定。 |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-05-19T15:28:15.316000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:28:20.260000+08:00 |
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委員，連歐洲的國家都這麼關注臺灣的安全跟國防，我們怎麼可以自己放棄呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
邱委員慧洳 |
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2026-05-19T15:28:20.260000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
1 |
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2026-05-19T15:28:21.260000+08:00 |
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我們沒有放棄，我們就是積極的在支持國防，厚植國家的實力是民眾黨的立場。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-05-19T15:28:20.720000+08:00 |
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2026-05-19T15:28:24.023000+08:00 |
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所以委員剛剛所說的對國防的常識，大家都很清楚，但是你要尊重國防的專業，謝謝。 |
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0.794 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-05-19T15:28:24.523000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-19T15:28:27.665857+08:00 |
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好，謝謝邱委員，謝謝卓院長。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-05-19T15:28:27.965857+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-19T15:28:31.108714+08:00 |
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下一位請羅美玲委員質詢。 |
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0 |