| IVOD_ID |
169382 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169382 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第9次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第9次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-12T16:07:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-12T16:23:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0cec772f6559b9e4f7ed20a1ba1cbdd3c095463f94dab4fdd817488d83a1324cddaafb66827a691f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:07:16 - 16:23:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第9次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「醫療法第十二條、第一百零二條及第一百零二條之一條文修正草案」，請審議案；本院委員蘇清泉等28人擬具「醫療法第十二條條文修正草案」，請審議案；本院委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「醫療法第十二條及第一百零二條條文修正草案」，請審議案等2案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、5月8日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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好謝謝主席本席邀請我們行政院卓院長卓院長請備詢我們束縛阿布的林部長我們NCC的陳代理主委林部長還有陳代理主委備詢 |
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林委員好 院長好 辛苦了院長這幾天最大的新聞可能就是醫美診所發現真恐偷拍的事件其實在這個事件發生之前行政院的公共政策民眾參與平台上面就有這樣一個連署反對真恐攝影機的普及在這個醫美診所事件發生以前 |
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連署達到9304個是所有的民意關注度前三名第一名這前三名就是印度移工的問題寵物用藥的問題再來就是真空攝影機的問題表示民眾其實對這個事情早就非常的反感那我們來看看你隨便一抓最近發生的事情你看 |
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高鐵的員工在台鐵的左營車站南廁所裝真孔偷拍台東有一家民宿還是得獎的好客民宿喔也在裡面偷裝這房間偷裝真孔 |
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再來就是醫美診所現在發現好幾間都用假的煙霧偵測器用針孔藏在裡面偷拍還有你發現一個大學生偷拍補習班捷運站幾十個人受害在溫泉會館泡湯也被偷拍而且影片非常惡劣賣到暗網賣到創意師房賺了一百多萬被檢察官起訴還有台鐵北車員工廁所偷裝針孔 |
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是內部自己員工 結果也被逮捕了我要跟院長分享 院長這個不是少數案件光是刑法妨害性隱私的這種刑案在2024年到2025年 前年跟去年就增加了72% |
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增加超過1000件2024年有1613件2025年有2770件這是妨礙性隱私案還沒有包括妨礙秘密案真孔攝影機非常可怕來我再給院長你看一下院長在你的左邊它是一個廁所方向鏡你的右邊是冷氣出風口你看得出來它有裝真孔嗎 |
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當然看不出來來你看針孔我把你飆起來都有偷裝針孔針孔攝影機可怕就是你根本看不出來這一次發生的醫美診所他偷裝在哪裡煙霧偵測器你要看這個煙霧偵測器啊他裝在裡面還好啊有一個消費者他覺得奇怪因為小小的房間怎麼會裝兩個煙霧偵測器呢其中一個還裝在最角落他就覺得那個位置也不大對 |
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他警覺信號才發現像這樣的煙霧偵測器我去找一下網路上隨便就有在賣才賣3470塊而且還免運費一模一樣網路隨時去買就買不到像這樣的煙霧偵測器他其實是有無線射頻照理講他賣要跟NCC申請但可惜國家目前完全沒有管制 |
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現在民眾連署就是這個真恐攝影機的問題按照行政院的規定連署已經達到9000多個政府一定要回覆這個問題而且時間就是5月19我不知道院長你現在心目中有沒有答案對於真恐攝影機政府要不要來處理好 謝謝委員再度提醒近日影響社會治安跟隱私保障的很重大的一個案件的來源 |
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本質是這個攝影機它本身本身它現在並不是違禁品但是它如果涉及到無線攝頻它就必須要接受我們相關機關的一些認證等等的選擇目前只有認證沒有管制任何人都買得到沒有管理第二就是平台上販賣如果到販賣這種有無線攝頻也沒有管理都可以啦我們現在要強化要做到這個部分 |
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院長時間有限喔我認為有些東西我們要把它必須特別的管理現在就有政府對這些東西都有特別管理我舉例子喔SIM卡手機大哥蛋農藥肥料處方藥危險的化學物品像強酸強鹼或者是有一些合法的槍爆彈藥例如原住民使用或者運動使用這些政府怎麼管理實名制管理 |
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我們台灣的農藥 我要肯定行政院 管理得非常好我們的農藥 誰在生產生產完 生產哪些東西生產完 給到一個經銷商哪些商店在買誰買走這些農藥百分之百 政府都有管理多年建立起來的一套流程我認為 真孔攝影機政府也應該要比照把它列為特殊物品應該要來進行管理 |
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目前是完全沒有管理因為我在想啊如果我要買針孔攝影機我要做什麼你想得出如果你要買你什麼用途你會用到針孔攝影機我是在想不出我覺得一般的這個商業場所他如果要公然的那你裝監視器他必須有標示必須告知監視器那是另外一個合法使用用途的你針孔啊通常因為因為看不到嘛 |
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他這種高度隱密性根本一般人不會察覺那我認為政府應該要用特殊的物品把它管理因為發生太多件我剛給院長看光是妨礙性隱私一年就增加72%增加1000多件我覺得我們應該要來思考修正電信管理辦法我們要把真孔攝影機也要把它實名制管理就誰要生產生產以後 |
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你賣給誰就比照農藥這種特殊物品的這樣的一個流程誰生產在哪個店賣你要誰買走SIM卡也可以農藥肥料都有這樣的管理還有電商應該全部下架了我剛給你看的那個煙霧偵測器的針孔三千幾塊而已還有免運費所以平台不應該賣這個我覺得跨部會到蘇華部這種 |
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平台的網路電腦也要來管理一下我們政府有些公共場域我們要先做最容易發生真空偷拍的就是一些交通場站我們目前也沒有SOP台鐵 高鐵 機場 閩南局的各機場我去調查訪問 |
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每個禮拜的去檢查 也有每個月的還有每日募試 眼睛看著看著不可能嘛所以台鐵就有一個廁所等你抓到他偷裝 他已經存在九個月才被發現他是公共的廠站 交通運輸的廠站 公共廁所這是我們境外的或者是像一些旅宿業也常發生 觀光旅宿業 |
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小寶柱曾經去稽查台灣21家旅宿有11家業者說他有自主執行反真孔結果這11家裡面其中有一家他自主執行是肉眼目測先扣掉根本就看不到第二個造假主流說有其實也沒有做所以大概21家只有9家有執行現在真孔這種已經造成民眾人心惶惶 |
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現在很多人去公共場所或是在日本場所都拿手機這樣大幅度拍因為你的手機的那個照相機如果有針孔的話它會閃光它會偵測到紅外線的視頻所以現在民眾大家都拿手機在那裡掃來掃去你去住旅館房間或是進到一些公共廁所所以我認為這個問題 |
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政府要嚴肅來看待是政府有義務免除民眾這種恐懼之餘所以我們必須要嚴格的來訂定一套管理的規要準謝謝院長那我要再跟你討論第二個問題之前我們在講高德地圖大家說高德地圖很危險因為他有九項的資料國安局講的喔國安局說他有九項的資料他會回傳給中國那其中啊也有民眾發現高德地圖他可以偵測到紅綠燈的跳描 |
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所以如果我在總統府附近總統官邸或院長 行政院長 總院長的官邸附近我發現洪麗珍的控制秒數啊 異常平常是30秒 現在變成了一分半鐘那我知道院長要進出啦所以啊 高的地圖啊政府有警覺性 因為他來自中國中國的國家情報法 還有網路安全法他要求中國的廠商啊 有義務相關資料回饋給中共 |
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所以我們現在的做法我認為還是比較消極啦就是禁止公務人員使用那公交單位也不能使用可是蘇華部長在這裡我們只注意到中國的地圖的這些資料那其他一般的呢五年前我也質詢過來我給左院長看一下 |
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這張地圖有什麼你知道嗎這張是花蓮嘉山基地你現在手機拿起來在Google地圖你跟我一樣就可以拍到就可以看到嘉山地圖這麼清楚的圖像戰鬥機進出的山洞跑道的長度 彈尿褲 指揮所看得一清二楚我五年前就質詢說你這樣嘉山基地顧載人家看日基地可以這樣子嗎完全沒有改變 |
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我再給你看院長你的左邊有模糊的這同樣都是拍嘉山基地還有一個花蓮基地在旁邊Apple的地圖Apple的地圖他把它遮起來了那右邊呢是就是那個Microsoft微軟的地圖還是一樣看得一清二楚這可見我們沒有管理哪有標準 |
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為什麼蘋果的地圖遮起來為什麼微軟還有Google沒有遮起來那我們內政部做的台灣通用地圖這些東西都遮起來可見我們知道有些東西是不能被看到來我再給你看中國掌握中國一個網站你隨便看他分析我們台灣這是哪裡嘉義空軍基地那中國的網友甚至把我們空軍基地裡面的建築物幫我們標記出來空軍基地裡面的 |
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彈尿褲女性官兵生活大樓他都知道空勤人員新建的他也知道新建的以前沒有吧生活大樓他也標記出來這樣可以嗎他正在嚇我們因為他有拍到憲兵使用一台V150他說那是老古董的裝甲車台灣還在用我問過空軍空軍跟我說他不能證實啦但是大方向沒錯啦好我再給 |
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院長看一張照片你的照片左邊一群人在飛彈發射車前面拍照其中有一個人用青蛙圖把他臉遮起來那個人是誰賴清德總統因為這中國的網站用中國不准出現賴清德的面孔著弄他的面孔所以你哪出現在中國的網站地圖他會把你的臉遮起來賴清德的臉被遮起來了 |
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但是中國網友很厲害他利用那個屋頂他推測出賴清德跟這些將領跟這些來賓拍的地方在台灣的清水營區你看有多可怕他用Google地圖這樣去推測賴清德在哪裡我再給你看Google地圖 |
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中國利用Google地圖把我們所有的軍事基地連座標啦經緯度座標都要給你標記出來恆山指揮所啦大子營區啦叫海軍司令部中勇營區叫我們空軍司令部啦博愛營區啦通通給你標記出來可以這樣子嗎那為什麼國外的地圖蘋果就遮起來內政部的地圖也遮起來那其他蘋果跟維朗的地圖就隨便他看我們來看一下韓國 |
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這韓國的地圖他規定全部要遮起來所以你的左邊是美軍基地韓服瑞銀右邊是韓國清華台他總統府的地圖我們來看法國法國也是法國是規定Google還有Bitmap就微軟還有Apple全部遮起來 |
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跟委員報告 因為目前我們台灣事實上有法律可以管就是內政部的國土策略法對這方面應該有一些相關的規定謝謝委員提醒我們速發部會跟內政部去討論協商然後如果說這些都是我們有法源依據的話我們速發部就五年前就執行過我要提醒卓榮泰院長我們要趕快來進行管理像韓國 韓國原本是不准Google落地 |
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Google地圖韓國人不能用那韓國最近有開放但是他有提出相關的限制軍事敏感設施啦還有限制性的地圖座標有些地方你不可以表示反正他就是有些地方敏感地方你全部不可以 |
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925.305 |
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顯露出來非常感謝委員委員今天這個提醒非常非常的重要我要求蘇法部對這些國際性的平台Apple可以做到其他沒有理由不做到我們強力要求他競速類要做有效的改善但中國的部分我覺得我們沒有辦法去約束他但是我們做好自己的準備中國的部分像高度他拍不到因為高度他沒有衛星他只有地圖圖資他現在還沒有像這個Apple還有那個 |
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926.446 |
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謝謝林委員 謝謝卓院長 |