| IVOD_ID |
169371 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169371 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第9次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第9次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-12T11:14:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-12T11:45:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:05 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0cec772f6559b9e436a471ee0973c8fec095463f94dab4fdd817488d83a1324c617961a7114e88395ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳雪生 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:14:57 - 11:45:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第9次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「醫療法第十二條、第一百零二條及第一百零二條之一條文修正草案」，請審議案；本院委員蘇清泉等28人擬具「醫療法第十二條條文修正草案」，請審議案；本院委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「醫療法第十二條及第一百零二條條文修正草案」，請審議案等2案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、5月8日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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好謝謝主席是不是請卓院長請卓院長開始陳委員好卓院長很累喔不會你可以坐著沒關係不敢不敢謝謝那個本席啊昨天在交通委員會三個交通部預算50億 |
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大概陳副長不爽,今天就不來了對不對不是啦,不會這樣子不來,但是確實太多了啦這樣喔?不爽就不來了今天是因為重要的公務,跟委員見諒我以為他對我不爽不會不會今天跟你討論兩個議題,大概第一個是馬祖大橋,第二個是馬祖觀光 |
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那馬祖大橋的部分我昨天看這兩天看到淡江大橋通車我很高興跟金門大橋通車我也很高興我唯一悲傷的是馬祖大橋沒有通車這個跟院長報告最近國內的一些重大的橋樑的工程你看淡江大橋花了221億 |
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新營大橋是楊耀文提出來300億澎湖的二橋金門大橋花了96億但以前施工經費比較少一點桃園鐵路地下化工程要1047億現在可能還要追加了因為供料都漲了台南的高鐵也要293億 |
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嘉義鐵路高架化在507億我講這些就是說離島偏鄉馬祖大橋立案到今天的一個期程我在這邊跟院長說明106年蔡前總統列寧馬祖巡視了南北大橋的預定地他也首肯所以進入了一個可行性的評估 |
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107年我們賴總統時任行政院院長那時候我跟現任的縣長王忠銘跑到行政院去為什麼呢因為下面有一堆很多人意見寫了一大堆我那時候找那個古拉斯發言人院長那時候在看院報院會還請他出來他後來就找張宇人政委把他塗掉因為想法看法都不一樣 |
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塗掉以後他就把它批了先做這個綜合計畫綜合規劃111年做了三四年時間由市區那邊由我們公路總局委託市區做了三四年把它做出來了好111年112年開始113年送到英國 |
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英國那邊去做評估經費從100億、200億、300億一直往上加我最近看了那個三接三接工程有沒有很像說那個世襲把它服編我一直在懷疑100億、200億、300億我們的馬祖代表是不是也服編了但預算編多一點的話將來不用追加啦這是好意啦 |
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那如果是這樣子的話能不能把它降低一點嘛是不是這沒有撫編啦 這個三接那個是核實在算那有一些報導但是後來都有查證過沒有沒關係 院長我不是工程專業所以我想相信專業啦那這個案子一直從106年到現在在行政院秘書長那邊 國發會那邊轉來轉去 轉來轉去一直講說 |
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以前蘇貞昌院長講說蔡總統的時候經費不是問題啊馬祖大家做的比金門大家更好因為我聽了很高興好幾次跟蔡前總統在聚會我碰他他說不是蓋好了嗎其實還沒有所以這個案子一直拖拖了八年你看他整個騎乘 |
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已經從115年原來系社應該完成到現在整個延宕了那也有學者專家講說跟北竿機場的修建有必要性的關係沒有關係啊你北竿機場把它擴建了擴建的目的是什麼希望擴建馬祖一座機場就好了幹什麼要兩座機場呢那南竿機場已經沒辦法再延長了也沒辦法再拓寬了 |
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這沒辦法啊所以你北竿機場完了以後你南竿機場是不是要關閉南竿機場關閉那你沒有這個橋樑去走的話那南竿的老百姓要跑到北竿坐飛機欸這裡面是十年欸八年到十年欸這個誰受得了啊是不是所以沒有做這個馬祖大橋沒有完成齁你說要把南竿機場關閉那是可行性是很低的 |
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很低的所以我要請院長再瞭解那其實這個工程的經費不用那麼高世新考量什麼勒世新跟民航局考量到本來用協章橋那用協章橋太高他是希望把馬祖北竿機場啊能夠安全降落所以那個協章橋會擋到他的航道所以把它修低了修低工程經費就要比較高一點 |
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所以我拜託院長我跟你講這個大橋的看法院長你能不能表達一下你的意見其實我很敬佩委員啊為這個大橋多次的 |
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提出各種的建議跟要求政府來貫徹這個事情那我也知道南北竿兩個機場目前它存在著相當大的交通運輸的功能那建大橋的目的就是在縮短南北竿之間兩個島嶼之間的交通需求所以如果有這個大橋那就不必要有兩個機場 |
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如果有存在兩個機場那個這大橋的這個必要性就考量所以在112年的6月13號行政院是請交通部就北竿機場機場完成改善之後南竿機場 |
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他要重新評估他的存廢以及興建馬祖大橋的必要性這是現在手上最近一次的就是112年6月這個評估南竿機場的存廢以及馬祖大橋的興建的必要性是在北竿機場完成他整個改善工程之後那現在就停留在這個地方那問題是現在好像這個 |
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縣政府方面就這個橋是不是有進一步的動作進一步的規劃目前都還是停滯的所以我也沒有辦法再做往前推任何部分的所以請委員事必了解請縣政府在這個時候對興建這個橋有沒有一個更進一步的一個規劃的出現前兩個禮拜到馬祖去 |
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你應該知道馬祖地區縣長、議長跟學生之間在政治整個的互動我們的意見是一致的但是程序沒有進行啊不能只講意見程序要進行程序需要八年嗎程序需要八年的時間嗎不是 是縣政府目前坐下來可以討論嘛你找縣政府啊 共同黨你找縣政府來討論啊我們在會議上一個鐘頭就解決啦有什麼那麼困難要公文來了公文去 |
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一直在那邊扯扯了八年然後我們張景生前政委員還發表文章他起先跟我講什麼他說那邊做吊橋從南竿做吊橋到北竿橋就好了幹什麼做這個馬祖大橋他的言論我覺得很奇怪你知道嗎我聽不下去他說馬祖沒幾個人車輛可能少之又少 |
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這個橋做起來這個機場做起來不是馬祖人獨享這個橋做起來是我們國人同胞全世界人民我們共享的是不是不是馬祖人在用而已所以這個觀念跟想法院長是不是因為我們人少不是地理環境的問題我們對離島都有特別的建設條例怎麼會因為人多人少 |
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還是黨派不同不是選擇加入民進黨可能你這個馬上就OK現在要各縣地方去黨派不同的縣市比較多但是我們都全力的來協助等一下我加入民進黨這個大小馬上就核定 |
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這兩回事雖然歡迎但是不會直接影響但是是歡迎對嘛 我在想總統也好院長也好 以你的高度不過你下面的人你稍微節制一下是不是請交通部來談 現在的進度怎麼樣交通部沒問題啦 因為市長我跟他太久的朋友了請市長說明一下嘛你看我在交通委員會15年了 多了我有刪過交通部一毛錢預算嗎市長你回答我 |
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我有刪過你一毛錢預算嗎?有沒有我昨天為什麼要刪你五十億?因為我不能提出增加預算的要求嘛但是我有三點預算的權利啊所以我刪你五十萬啊你覺得服氣還是不服氣?我們尊重大院委員合理的審查預算院長 |
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你對陳雪生也好 對馬祖也好 對馬祖大強也好你釋出一點善意好不好明年預算還沒有編吧 今年預算還沒審你能不能釋出一點善意所以就現在的進度請說明一下我們照進度來走都可以他哪有那個權利啊不是 進度你那個老闆部長跟我講他有權利嗎他也沒辦法今天總統院長沒有講話的話 這個預算 |
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總統跟我都很尊重專業的評估最後的結果我跟委員稍微說明一下相關的剛才委員特別提到說要跟縣政府來談所以公路局已經有一兩次的時間跟縣政府共同召開會議 |
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而且其中一次很像委員還親自參加我們目前已經把這個因為公路局是接受縣政府的委託所以我們把行政院在112年的相關的意見做了一些盤點跟一些說明以後目前把這樣的計畫送給了縣政府這也就是剛才縣長特別提到的縣政府可能要就後續要如何辦理又後續 |
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我們已經開過第二次會議了,我自己去的第三次會議能不能把它確定你這個月開我請縣長、議長通通來你要的話我請所有議員通通來我們一起來敲定好不好不是縣政府的問題嘛縣長的腦袋,我們老百姓腦袋、議員腦袋跟我的腦袋長得一模一樣只是你們的腦袋跟我長得不太一樣,院長 |
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我不是說你的立場有問題或總統立場有問題你下面的人你看馬祖這個大橋蓋了蓋什麼一天通車幾步你這樣講的話那金門大橋為什麼要蓋澎湖大橋也不要蓋啊你的淡江大橋也不用蓋啊為什麼要蓋水電水跟電可以接著橋端下去還有網路電信這些資源是兩個島共享的光光可以互通是不是 |
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地區產業可以帶動阿兵哥要打靶現在你看每個島都要有靶場靶場國防部長提出來要8億10億一個靶場要8億10億嗎幾百個兵在打是不是比台北市警察局規模還小所以地區永續的發展這很重要的所以不要為了離島偏鄉 |
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希望院長能夠重視不會 我們非常重視我接續剛剛次長說的話就是縣政府如果對於這個未來的綜合規劃他提出一個具體的內容的一個案子出來那裡面如果縱然提到他興建的這個計畫甚至一些期前的需要的經費他只要提在這個案子裡面計畫當中我們都可以來談行政院秘書長第一次回函 第二次回函 第三次回函 |
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都在講什麼你現在我是分擔三分之一啊我行政院負擔三分之二啊三分之一 你叫我現在負擔十分之一啊你所有重大功能全部停擺連談都不用談了金門 馬祖 澎湖 偏鄉你根本就不用談重大建設 是不是這樣 |
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這有一點是國家的重大建設嘛你像北韓機場修建你說要縣政府負擔錢 不可能都是中央來處理所以只要縣政府提出一個綜合的規劃裡面縱然談到經費甚至未來談到財務的結構分擔只要有這個案都可以進來談現在就是沒有這個案不能就是開會談而已 必須要一個比方說我們說可行性評估綜合規劃 細部規劃要一步一步的走向世襲報告說工程 |
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沒有問題 施工沒有問題經費也沒有問題 那什麼有問題就政治環境出了問題嘛就陳允燊加入國民黨加錯了我跟你們講個報告啊國民黨執政有沒有我們的北開機站也不可能核定啊我老是跟你講啊是民進黨蔡總統都把他批了現在馬祖大俠要國民黨去核定我也聽不下去啦那如果民進黨再不核定 |
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我跟你報我只有請求共產黨幫我忙這個得不償失我跟你講得不償失啊你會失去的更多那我是跟你委員報告你現在請縣政府提一個計畫出來這可能是一個綜合評估的計畫那就可以來討論現在沒有這個案院長你進入實質的計畫好不好要三四年欸要三四年欸你看那個國發會很可惡喔上次去英國英國去認證回來有沒有 |
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我向他要資料他說不宜公開我奇怪了他不宜公開是國防機密嗎不是嘛為什麼不宜公開我還沒找國防會主委來他這兩天公問還回我院長你覺得這個有什麼不宜公開的 |
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我不知道他布以公開的是哪一部分但一個地方建設不是說全部都布以公開我不曉得他指的是哪一部分不過國發會當然有他的這個機關組織的權限跟他的責職者他負責任的做好這個工作那我希望說 |
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是不是地方政府 縣政府還是請交通部跟地方政府談一下地方政府提出一個什麼計畫出來那國發會現在在審的內容如果有修正的意見請地方政府來按照審查意見來做修正那這個案就可以往下推那目前停在這裡啊拜託您喔我想你再幹也是八年嘛 對不對沒有啦沒有啦你再幹也是八年啦沒有 不可能啦你看 |
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學生當了國大代表當了四年跟賴總統也是老同事跟我們本黨的主席也是老同事縣長當了八年立委當了十五年我到現在連那個大橋連影子都沒有我對馬祖雄鄉親情何以堪明年年底我要卸任了是不是 |
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你叫要跪著跟老百姓賠不是嗎我真的誠懇的跟委員說我們可以來討論出一個方式請地方政務來提出一個計畫出來那提計畫如何提這個內容地方政務要主導但是我們可以告訴地方政務只要有這個計畫出來我們就按照這個計畫的程序來進行院長以雪生這樣的一個精緻力對馬祖未來的願景 |
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應該是非常非常了解的我不敢講唯一的一個起碼是其中之一嘛你起碼對我個人的經濟的過程跟我提出的意見你們要給予重視啊你們要去討論嘛你看明天編預算啊 |
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沒有計畫,現在這個還沒有一個...哎呀,我對你們那麼好,我覺得要有點壓力給你們啦我是誠意跟委員說,我們請交通部、地方政府來談一個計畫出來請地方政府要主導這個計畫,應該是一個綜合規劃吧 |
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我想委員可以的話我們來協助縣政府來提送一份那個應該是說行政院的公文回應的公文一個月以內把它完成可以嗎我們來協助什麼協助一個月以內完成有你著急沒問題我們縣長議長立委全員到齊議員統統來我們來協助縣政府出具一個公文香港人也統統來四個香港人一起來好不好因為時間的關係我現在跟你討論光光 |
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我要發展馬祖觀光院長你是到馬祖去對馬祖想法怎麼樣我覺得那我那天那句話我再重複他是一個非常難得的戰地文化很適合發展各種的觀光那我們一定全力的來發展觀光而且不會讓他成為一個戰場你看你到馬祖風景觀影處斜對面看過去一個碉堡那是楊耀委員在那邊當兵的地方啊當兵當到沒有中風但是他痛風啊 |
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很潮濕的地方現在變成觀光景點了是不是馬祖很漂亮嘛但是我跟你報告喔馬祖國產署跟軍備局佔領的土地多少你知道嗎佔領我們85%的土地百分比因為過去在佔地政務他有其必要我們佔地政務嘛所以很多主義的土地還沒拿回來現在法律上還無法解套你家怎麼發展觀光地產你要種個地瓜只能種地瓜種高粱啊 |
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這種青菜自己吃還不夠所以要從台灣這邊運過去還有就是我們馬祖曾經是黃魚的故鄉黃魚打到可以踩到黃魚上岸踩到黃魚上岸是因為那個網魚群過來整條船裝到快翻船了所以把網切斷魚就浮在海水上面 |
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一直到岸上所以我們講說可以踩著黃魚上岸是這麼講的那黃魚多到不行啊現在你看黃魚多貴好黃魚沒有了大陸跟我們一水之隔海水是一樣的嘛那麼他的海水有毒我們的海水沒毒嗎所以他的淡菜啊牡蠣啊有一些水產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
1224.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1252.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
大陸連江 連江縣是大陸水產養殖的第一大縣 以前是第二水產養殖的非常多的東西你看我們老闆一下拿點東西過來還判刑欸要關兩年多 關三年好幾個抓去關東西不准上來那我們光餓上去吃什麼我不曉得院長那天上去吃了什麼水產沒有沒有 沒有 都吃豬肉豬肉 牛肉 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
1253.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1282.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
我看你沒吃到什麼水產嗎沒有對啊以前滿桌都是耶 那個蛋菜一整桌的吃啊有啦 別的這個觀光客從各地去的 各縣市去的我看他們吃的都很豐富啊你看漁業署漁業署 經濟部這個不等進來那個又什麼什麼什麼外貿 國貿什麼幾號我是不懂啦然後又不去福島去放養什麼 放魚 那個魚啊 放養 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
1283.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
1313.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
放什麼三萬隻大陸來這邊一放就放幾十萬啊是不是他只是做個樣子嘛你要輔導老百姓怎麼樣把海洋資源把它變成海洋牧場嘛歷任的農業部長都晃一晃算了人好不好對我們都很客氣啊你看馬祖老百姓真的你看我們有沒有跟你抗爭學生有沒有罵過你們沒有欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
1314.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1340.065 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
我們自己知道我們人太少了土地太小了我也不敢罵我的忍氣吞聲啊滿腹的委屈啊所以那天到了馬祖院長說立委你都沒講話啊讓你講講話我哪裡敢講話我應該跟你講講一個鐘頭兩個鐘頭講不完的啊是不是你沒交代我講我想說也不是我的場合嘛我就不講話 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
1342.025 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
1365.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
後來你總算也讓我講了幾分鐘了是不是應該的應該的我是說農業部啊你去輔導一下嘛是不是你輔導一下嘛你馬祖老百姓你要吃什麼你觀光客進來以前那個飛機旅客過去啊房子沒人住現在呢客滿客滿 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
1367.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
1396.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
老闆爺的田地有沒有變更計畫蓋房子蓋民宿我們民宿也把它合法化合法化那這土地都滿了沒有土地啦土地在誰那裡在國產署那裡在軍方那裡那軍方跟國產署能不能釋出土地給縣政府呢可以但是不能做私人用途那你等於逼著縣政府要去蓋旅館縣政府要蓋旅館這個沒有道理吧看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
1397.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
1425.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
院長有機會跟您底下各部會有沒有討論一下對金門馬祖金門土地很多金門的土地都是僑胞的他們僑胞在外面不回來所以荒廢很多土地我們馬祖僑胞很少我們土地就用光了所以這個我覺得非常重要的另外最近在討論軍購其實院長我那時候跟你討論過你就講實話 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
1427.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1437.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
其實發價出來了多少就多少今天不是討論這個我是覺得你跟反對黨他監督你有必要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
1438.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
1466.887 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
是不是八千就八千嘛 你先讓他過嘛 過了你再申請啊七千八百億的部分總統已經公告了我們也希望適不遲疑啊那這個未來第二階段還是要趕快請大家大院能夠來討論另外就是本土軍工產業這一塊不涵蓋在裡面那你不要跟老百姓講說我們要反對幹什麼這個仇越絕越深了套怎麼解套嘛 你講嘛對不對好 你最近又講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
1467.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
1496.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
海馬仕要部署在哪裡?部署在東營我們東營很可憐耶只有4平方公里的一個彈丸之地裡面放了什麼東西?我跟你講什麼寶貝?天空飛彈雄一飛彈雄二飛彈我們東營的對面是什麼?寧德山都澳峽埔潛水艇的基地老共啊他一出來你瞄準他砰給他打掉他受得了嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
1497.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1524.651 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
他無人機可以飛到你的東營的上空你東營底下在幹什麼部署什麼清清楚楚大部分防禦公司重裝備都在地底下好你只要發射一顆誰倒霉老百姓倒霉住在土地上的都是老百姓在做生意幹什麼的認為大陸不會打我們東營二兵科全部躲在地下打不到二兵科老百姓先死 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
1526.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1532.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
院長你要不要給中語老百姓一點安全的價值如果委員都講到這一段你就知道政府怎麼會 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
1534.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1562.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
會不照顧到離島會覺得離島不重要離島非常重要雖然現在已經不是戰地文化它至少是我們在防衛台灣的第一線上面的官兵上面的居民上面所有的設施都是保障整個台澎金馬安全的第一線政府當然極端的重視啊這個不用討論啦國防部有沒有跟你報告他的兵推結果有沒有告訴你兵推啊兵棋推演 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
1565.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
1593.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
馬祖的兵推喔讓你獨立作戰欸老共打過來你獨立作戰欸兵推就是讓我們中兵推的結果做更多的改善更多的補強這個才是兵推的結果他要圍亮島亮島上面二三十個兵還要解放軍來圍喔那麼漁船就把你弄垮了只有二三十個兵高登也是幾十個啊是不是我們現在不是等著老共打我們我們老百姓都在想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
1595.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1623.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
我們馬祖沒有罵你啊你不會打我吧我們所做的準備就是我所做的這個任何準備就是希望不要引起戰爭因為我們有足夠的能力保護自己所以現在的戰爭應該是用科技的戰爭不是兵力的多寡是關鍵是科技能不能就整個系統來維護台澎金馬整個的安全你知道馬祖老闆已經從哪裡搬來了嗎不是從台灣搬過去喔是從大陸搬過來的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
1625.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
1651.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
對我們來講都是中華民國的國民這個沒錯啊問題他是從黃崎台陸北郊連江福州長樂從那邊搬過來的梅花那邊搬過來的搬到馬祖來定居然後在那邊下一代是這麼出來的你現在說跟對面打仗你夠匪我們沒有要跟他打仗我們只希望他不要隨意的擴張武力侵犯我們的權權 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
1653.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
1674.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
對面是我堂哥堂弟有的叫他堂嫂老一輩走了 我們現在變成老了我們變成阿公阿嬤了你叫我們兩邊對打沒有啊 沒有叫你兩邊我們都從來不主張任何對打我們只希望他不要侵犯我們的主權我們做好自己的準備讓他不敢對我們有心存企圖心跟妄想 這樣就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
1675.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1698.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
你說老共跟我們有講過什麼統一獨立從來沒講過他沒有跟我講過我去大陸那麼多次沒有跟我聊這些東西但他實際在做的就是要併吞我們的主權不是嗎他就說你不要獨立我就說對你怎麼樣你去那邊講中華民國這兩個大人的事情跟我們什麼關係委員到那邊也講中華民國他大概就翻桌了我們是夾縫中裡面的求生存 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
1700.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1712.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
所以我們要保障是這樣的一個民主生活方式不要被破壞掉那包括從各地來的在馬祖在金門的從各地方來的也都希望維持現在的生活制度跟社會制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
1713.237 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1742.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
所以院長今天講來講去 光光拜託您光光我們會全力發展跟農業部講 協助我們好不好我會請農業部去研究如何協助馬祖的漁民在漁業的振興我知道那漁業的振興是困難的你不要預算編個兩百萬 三百萬 五百萬 編個一千萬塘災一下 唬爛一下就過了是不是也不要一次三五十億啊這個請院長幫個忙另外 院博士長這邊好不好 院長也交代了 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
1743.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1771.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
我希望這個一個月之內馬祖大橋由您親自主持或是部長主持好不好,你開個會馬上把他...一定會接觸,一定會送他來接觸起碼明年進入...我們綜合計畫花了一億五千萬耶世襲也說技術沒問題啦,工程技術沒問題啦錢也沒問題啦你一年編個五十億、三十億嘛我又沒有叫你全部幾百億通通編進來你慢慢編嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
1772.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1795.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
如果計畫編出來經過審議審查之後當然是逐年的連續預算來做編列搞不好你現在今年明年編了以後過兩年把這個爛攤子丟給國民黨去了嘛第一個這個不是爛攤子而且政府的這個施政是延續的這不是爛攤子政府的施政是延續的不會隨便亂丟但是明年好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
1798.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1800.942 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
院長,拜託啦好好,市長請就好我們會結束,謝謝委員好,謝謝陳委員 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-05-12T11:15:01.832000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-05-12T11:15:01.992000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-05-12T11:15:02.953000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-05-12T11:15:03.073000+08:00 |
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請卓院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-05-12T11:15:03.073000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-05-12T11:15:03.193000+08:00 |
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請卓院長備詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-05-12T11:15:03.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-05-12T11:15:04.674000+08:00 |
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陳委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-05-12T11:15:04.734000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-05-12T11:15:04.814000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
卓院長早。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-05-12T11:15:04.814000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-05-12T11:15:04.974000+08:00 |
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很累嗎？不會。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-05-12T11:15:04.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-05-12T11:15:05.254000+08:00 |
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你可以坐著，沒關係。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-05-12T11:15:05.254000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-05-12T11:15:05.434000+08:00 |
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不敢、不敢，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-05-12T11:15:05.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-05-12T11:15:34.114000+08:00 |
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本席昨天在交通委員會刪了交通部預算50億，陳部長大概覺得不爽，今天就不來了，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.806 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-05-12T11:15:34.114000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-05-12T11:15:37.475000+08:00 |
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不是，也不會這樣就不來，但確實太多了。這樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-05-12T11:15:39.076000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-05-12T11:15:39.897000+08:00 |
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我以為他不爽就不來了。 |
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0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-05-12T11:15:40.737000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-05-12T11:15:43.839000+08:00 |
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因為他今天有重要公務。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-05-12T11:15:43.839000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-05-12T11:15:44.839000+08:00 |
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有重要公務？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-05-12T11:15:43.959000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-05-12T11:15:44.099000+08:00 |
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請委員見諒。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-05-12T11:15:44.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-05-12T11:15:44.579000+08:00 |
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我以為他對我不爽。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-05-12T11:15:45.060000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-05-12T11:15:45.300000+08:00 |
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不會、不會，不敢。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
陳委員雪生：不會？應該很好吧？今天跟你討論兩個議題 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-05-12T11:15:46.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-05-12T11:15:47.341000+08:00 |
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第一個是馬祖大橋；第二個是馬祖的觀光。 |
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0.941 |
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陳委員雪生：不會？應該很好吧？今天跟你討論兩個議題 |
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2026-05-12T11:15:59.422000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T11:16:15.291000+08:00 |
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有關馬祖大橋的部分，這兩天看到淡江大橋通車，我很高興，跟金門大橋通車一樣，我也很高興，我唯一悲傷的是馬祖大橋沒有通車。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
陳委員雪生：不會？應該很好吧？今天跟你討論兩個議題 |
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2026-05-12T11:16:15.291000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T11:16:37.346000+08:00 |
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跟院長報告，這是最近國內一些重大橋梁工程，你看淡江大橋花了221億；西瀛大橋是楊曜委員提出來的，花了300億，是澎湖的二橋；金門大橋花了96億，不過以前施工經費比較少一點。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
陳委員雪生：不會？應該很好吧？今天跟你討論兩個議題 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-05-12T11:16:37.346000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T11:16:46.091000+08:00 |
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至於桃園鐵路地下化工程要1,047億，現在可能還要追加，因為工跟料都漲了！ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
陳委員雪生：不會？應該很好吧？今天跟你討論兩個議題 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-05-12T11:16:47.271000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-05-12T11:16:58.391000+08:00 |
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臺南鐵路地下化也要293億，嘉義鐵路高架化大概507億。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
陳委員雪生：不會？應該很好吧？今天跟你討論兩個議題 |
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2026-05-12T11:16:58.931000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T11:17:07.895000+08:00 |
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之所以講這些，是為了離島偏鄉，特別是馬祖大橋從立案到今天的期程，我在這邊跟院長說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.763 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
陳委員雪生：不會？應該很好吧？今天跟你討論兩個議題 |
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2026-05-12T11:17:09.795000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T11:17:19.379000+08:00 |
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106年蔡前總統蒞臨馬祖，巡視南北竿大橋預定地，他也首肯，所以進入可行性評估。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.906 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
陳委員雪生：不會？應該很好吧？今天跟你討論兩個議題 |
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2026-05-12T11:17:22.695000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T11:17:33.080000+08:00 |
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107年賴總統時任行政院院長，那時我跟現任的縣長王忠銘跑到行政院，為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
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陳委員雪生：不會？應該很好吧？今天跟你討論兩個議題 |
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2026-05-12T11:17:33.780000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T11:17:36.101000+08:00 |
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因為下面很多人有意見，寫了一大堆！ |
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0.933 |
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陳委員雪生：不會？應該很好吧？今天跟你討論兩個議題 |
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2026-05-12T11:17:37.782000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T11:17:45.166000+08:00 |
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那時候我找谷拉斯發言人，院長正在院會，還把院長請出來。 |
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0.75 |
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陳委員雪生：不會？應該很好吧？今天跟你討論兩個議題 |
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2026-05-12T11:17:45.166000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T11:17:50.068000+08:00 |
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所以他後來找張景森政委塗掉……因為想法、看法都不一樣。 |
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0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
陳委員雪生：不會？應該很好吧？今天跟你討論兩個議題 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-05-12T11:17:51.520000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-05-12T11:17:56.762000+08:00 |
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塗掉後他就批了，先做綜合計畫。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
陳委員雪生：不會？應該很好吧？今天跟你討論兩個議題 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-05-12T11:17:56.762000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T11:18:08.027000+08:00 |
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至於綜合規劃，111年到現在也做了三、四年時間，由公路總局委託世曦做了三、四年，把它做出來了。 |
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0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
陳委員雪生：不會？應該很好吧？今天跟你討論兩個議題 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-05-12T11:18:08.187000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T11:18:28.856000+08:00 |
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從112年開始了，113年送到英國評估，經費從100億、200億、300億一直往上加。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
陳委員雪生：不會？應該很好吧？今天跟你討論兩個議題 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-05-12T11:18:29.716000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T11:18:42.862000+08:00 |
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我最近看了三接的工程經費，感覺很像世曦浮編了，所以我一直懷疑，從100億、200億到300億，馬祖大橋經費是不是也浮編了？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.63 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
陳委員雪生：不會？應該很好吧？今天跟你討論兩個議題 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-05-12T11:18:44.242000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T11:18:47.864000+08:00 |
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不過預算編多一點，將來就不用追加，這是好意。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
陳委員雪生：不會？應該很好吧？今天跟你討論兩個議題 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-05-12T11:18:49.441000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-05-12T11:18:52.282000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
但如果是這樣子的話，能不能降低一點？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-05-12T11:18:54.203000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-05-12T11:18:56.724000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
應該沒有浮編，三接是覈實在算……沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-05-12T11:18:57.324000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-05-12T11:19:00.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
是有一些報導，但後來都有查證。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-05-12T11:19:00.505000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-05-12T11:19:04.527000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
沒關係，院長，我不是工程專業，所以我想相信專業。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-05-12T11:19:06.428000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-05-12T11:19:29.006000+08:00 |
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這個案子從106年到現在，在行政院、國發會轉來轉去、轉來轉去，一直講說……在蔡總統時代蘇貞昌院長講，經費不是問題，馬祖大橋會做得比金門大橋更好，我聽了很高興。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-05-12T11:19:29.006000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-05-12T11:19:34.889000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
好幾次在跟蔡前總統聚會時碰到他，他說不是蓋好了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-05-12T11:19:34.889000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-05-12T11:19:40.932000+08:00 |
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其實還沒有，而且這個案子一直拖，拖了八年了！ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-05-12T11:19:42.153000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-05-12T11:19:51.123000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
你看這整個期程從原來115年細設應該要完成，結果現在整個延宕了！ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-05-12T11:19:53.543000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-05-12T11:20:00.065000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
也有學者專家講跟北竿機場的修建有必要性的關係，沒有關係啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-05-12T11:20:01.105000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T11:20:08.447000+08:00 |
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你把北竿機場擴建了，擴建的目的是什麼，是希望擴建馬祖一座機場就好了，幹什麼要兩座機場呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-05-12T11:20:09.407000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-05-12T11:20:21.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
因為南竿機場已經沒辦法再延長了，也沒辦法再拓寬了，沒辦法，所以北竿機場擴建完以後，南竿機場是不是要關閉？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-05-12T11:20:21.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-05-12T11:20:34.491000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
南竿機場關閉之後，沒有橋梁可以走的話，南竿的老百姓要跑到北竿坐飛機，這個時間是8年到10年，誰受得了，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-05-12T11:20:35.671000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-05-12T11:20:47.103000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
所以馬祖大橋沒有完成，你要把南竿機場關閉，可行性是很低的，所以我要請院長再了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-05-12T11:20:48.423000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-05-12T11:20:52.664000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
其實這個工程的經費不用那麼高，世曦考量什麼呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-05-12T11:20:52.984000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-05-12T11:21:25.612000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
世曦和民航局考量到本來要用斜張橋，因為斜張橋太高，它希望馬祖北竿機場能夠安全降落，斜張橋會擋到航道，所以把它修低了，修低工程經費就要比較高一點，我要拜託院長，對於這個大橋的看法，能不能表達一下你的意見？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.837 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-05-12T11:21:25.612000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-05-12T11:21:52.116000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
其實我很敬佩委員為這個大橋多次提出各種建議，以及要求政府來貫徹這個事情，我們也知道南北竿兩個機場目前承載相當大的交通運輸功能，建大橋的目的就是在縮短南北竿兩個島嶼之間的交通需求。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-05-12T11:21:53.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-05-12T11:22:31.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
如果有這個大橋，那就不必要有兩個機場；如果存在兩個機場，這個大橋的必要性就要考量，在112年6月13日行政院請交通部就北竿機場完成改善之後，南竿機場要重新評估存廢以及興建馬祖大橋的必要性，手上最近一次的進度就是112年6月評估南竿機場的存廢，以及馬祖大橋興建的必要性，在北竿機場完成整個改善工程之後。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-05-12T11:22:33.390000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-05-12T11:22:49.156000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
現在就停留在這個地方，問題是縣政府方面就這個橋是不是有進一步的動作、進一步的規劃，目前都還是停滯的，所以也沒有辦法再往前推任何部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-05-12T11:22:50.077000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-05-12T11:22:57.484000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
請委員了解縣政府在這個時候對興建這個橋有沒有更進一步的規劃出現。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-05-12T11:22:57.484000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-05-12T11:23:11.103000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
院長，你前兩個禮拜有到馬祖，你應該知道馬祖地區縣長、議長與雪生之間，在整個政治互動…… |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.784 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-05-12T11:23:11.103000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-05-12T11:23:12.103000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
我知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-05-12T11:23:11.103000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-05-12T11:23:12.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
我們的意見是一致的。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-05-12T11:23:13.184000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-05-12T11:23:16.685000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
但是程序沒有進行，不能只講意見，程序要進行。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-05-12T11:23:16.805000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-05-12T11:23:19.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
程序需要8年嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-05-12T11:23:19.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-05-12T11:23:20.987000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
程序需要8年的時間嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-05-12T11:23:20.987000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-05-12T11:23:22.267000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
不是，是縣政府目前的進度。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-05-12T11:23:22.727000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-05-12T11:23:23.087000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
進度還可以討論嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-05-12T11:23:25.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-05-12T11:23:34.193000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
公路總局找縣政府來討論，我們在會議上1個鐘頭就解決了，有什麼那麼困難，要公文來公文去，一直在那邊扯，扯了8年？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.894 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-05-12T11:23:34.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-05-12T11:23:53.539000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
然後張景森前政務委員還發表文章，他起先跟我講什麼，他說那邊做吊橋，從南竿做吊橋到北竿就好了，幹什麼做馬祖大橋，我覺得他的言論很奇怪，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.922 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-05-12T11:23:53.539000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-05-12T11:24:00.021000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
我聽不下去，他說馬祖沒幾個人，車輛可能少之又少。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-05-12T11:24:02.757000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-05-12T11:24:26.770000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
這個橋做起來、這個機場做起來不是馬祖人獨享，這個橋做起來是國人同胞、全世界人民共享的，不是馬祖人在用而已，所以這個觀念和想法是不是因為我們人少或是地理環境的問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.973 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-05-12T11:24:26.770000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-05-12T11:24:30.652000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
不是，我們對離島都有特別的建設條例，怎麼會因為人多人少？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-05-12T11:24:31.978000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-05-12T11:24:33.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
還是黨派不同？不是。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-05-12T11:24:34.001000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-05-12T11:24:36.765000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
雪生加入民進黨，可能馬上就OK、就批准？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-05-12T11:24:36.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-05-12T11:24:42.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
雖然現在到地方去黨派不同的縣市比較多，但是我們都全力地來協助。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.862 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-05-12T11:24:43.094000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-05-12T11:24:47.613000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
有此一說，等一下我加入民進黨，這個大橋馬上就核定了，有沒有這樣的講法？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.581 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-05-12T11:24:47.613000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-05-12T11:24:50.955000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
這是兩回事，雖然歡迎，但是不會直接影響，是歡迎的。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-05-12T11:24:51.195000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-05-12T11:24:57.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
對嘛，我在想總統也好，院長也好，以你的高度，不過你下面的人，你稍微節制一下嘛，什麼國發會…… |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-05-12T11:24:57.938000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-05-12T11:24:58.798000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
是不是請交通部來答復現在的進度…… |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-05-12T11:24:59.338000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-05-12T11:25:00.839000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
交通部沒問題啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-05-12T11:25:01.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-05-12T11:25:04.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
因為我跟彥伯次長是太久的朋友了…… |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-05-12T11:25:05.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-05-12T11:25:06.021000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
請次長說明一下，好嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-05-12T11:25:06.581000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-05-12T11:25:13.705000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
你看我在交通委員會十五年多了，我有刪過交通部一毛錢預算嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-05-12T11:25:13.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-05-12T11:25:19+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
次長，你回答我，我有刪過你一毛錢預算嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-05-12T11:25:19+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-05-12T11:25:20.861000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-05-12T11:25:20.861000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-05-12T11:25:24.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
我想陳委員很支持交通部的相關建設…… |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-05-12T11:25:24.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-05-12T11:25:26.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
我昨天為什麼要刪你50億？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-05-12T11:25:26.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-05-12T11:25:34.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
因為我不能提出增加預算的要求，但是我有刪減預算的權力，所以我刪你50億。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.871 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-05-12T11:25:36.193000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-05-12T11:25:38.154000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
你覺得服氣還是不服氣？ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-05-12T11:25:38.154000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-05-12T11:25:42.397000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
我們尊重大院委員合理的審查預算。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-05-12T11:25:43.898000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-05-12T11:25:50.804000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
院長，你對陳雪生也好，對馬祖也好，對馬祖大橋也好，你釋出一點善意，好不好？對，我…… |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-05-12T11:25:51.864000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-05-12T11:25:56.065000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
明年預算還沒有編，今年預算還沒審，你能不能釋出一點善意？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-05-12T11:25:56.685000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-05-12T11:26:00.486000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
現在的進度請次長說明一下，我們照進度來走都可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-05-12T11:26:00.606000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-05-12T11:26:01.526000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
他哪有那個權力啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-05-12T11:26:01.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-05-12T11:26:02.526000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
不是，進度，我說的是進度…… |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-05-12T11:26:03.307000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-05-12T11:26:06.227000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
他的老闆、部長都這樣跟我講，他有權力嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.647 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-05-12T11:26:06.227000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-05-12T11:26:08.048000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
他也沒辦法，今天總統、院長沒有講話的話，這個預算…… |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-05-12T11:26:10.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-05-12T11:26:13.313000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
不是，總統跟我都很尊重專業評估，最後的結果…… |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-05-12T11:26:13.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-05-12T11:26:28.353000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
我跟委員稍微說明一下相關的狀況，剛才委員特別提到要跟縣政府來談，所以公路局已經有一、兩次跟縣政府共同召開會議，而且其中一次好像委員還親自參加。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-05-12T11:26:31.354000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-05-12T11:26:47.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
因為公路局是接受縣政府的委託，所以我們把行政院在112年的相關意見做了一些盤點跟說明以後，目前把這樣的一個計畫送給了縣政府，這也就是剛才院長特別提到的…… |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-05-12T11:26:47.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-05-12T11:26:48.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
縣政府回函沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-05-12T11:26:48.020000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-05-12T11:26:50.561000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
縣政府可能要就後續要如何辦理…… |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-05-12T11:26:50.801000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-05-12T11:26:51.061000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
又後續…… |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-05-12T11:26:51.061000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-05-12T11:26:52.862000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
就是接到我們的文以後，他要怎麼樣來繼續，他可能要有所說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-05-12T11:26:52.862000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-05-12T11:26:56.824000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
我們已經開過第二次會議了，在公路局，我自己去的。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-05-12T11:26:57.885000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-05-12T11:26:59.286000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
第三次會議能不能確定？ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-05-12T11:27:00.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-05-12T11:27:07.911000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
你這個月開，我請縣長、議長通通來，你要的話，我請所有的議員通通來，我們一起來敲定，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-05-12T11:27:08.911000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-05-12T11:27:10.152000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
這不是縣政府的問題嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-05-12T11:27:12.413000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-05-12T11:27:20.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
縣長的腦袋、老百姓的腦袋、議員的腦袋跟我的腦袋長得一模一樣，只是你們的腦袋跟我長得不太一樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-05-12T11:27:20.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-05-12T11:27:33.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
院長，我不是說你的立場有問題或是總統的立場有問題，你下面的人，你看，馬祖這個大橋蓋了幹什麼，一天通車幾部，你這樣講的話，那金門大橋為什麼要蓋？ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.937 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-05-12T11:27:33.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-05-12T11:27:35.231000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
澎湖大橋也不要蓋啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-05-12T11:27:36.111000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-05-12T11:27:37.311000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
淡江大橋也不用蓋啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-05-12T11:27:37.571000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-05-12T11:27:39.652000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
為什麼要蓋？ |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-05-12T11:27:39.652000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-05-12T11:27:50.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
水電，水跟電可以藉著橋端下去；還有網路、電信這些資源是兩個島共享的；觀光可以互通，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-05-12T11:27:51.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-05-12T11:28:03.551000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
地域產業也可以帶動，比如阿兵哥要打靶，你看每個島都要有靶場，靶場的經費國防部長提出來要8億、10億，一個靶場要8億、10億嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0.86 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-05-12T11:28:03.551000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-05-12T11:28:05.373000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
幾百個兵在打，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-05-12T11:28:05.853000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-05-12T11:28:07.435000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
比臺北市警察局規模還小。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-05-12T11:28:10.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-05-12T11:28:19.488000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
地區的永續發展是很重要的，希望院長能夠重視離島、偏鄉。 |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-05-12T11:28:19.488000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-05-12T11:28:20.868000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
不會，我們非常重視。 |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-05-12T11:28:20.868000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-05-12T11:28:40.013000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
我接續剛剛次長說的話，就是縣政府如果對於未來的綜合規劃，提出一個具體內容的案子出來，裡面縱然提到興建的這個計畫，甚至一些期前需要的經費，只要列在這個案子的計畫當中，我們都可以來談。 |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-05-12T11:28:40.013000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-05-12T11:28:51.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
院長，行政院秘書長第一次回函、第二次回函、第三次回函都在講什麼，你縣政府是分擔三分之一，我行政院負擔三分之二啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-05-12T11:28:53.107000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-05-12T11:28:59.573000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
三分之一，你叫我縣政府負擔十分之一，所有的重大工程全部停擺，連談都不用談了。 |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-05-12T11:29:00.774000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-05-12T11:29:05.478000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
金門、馬祖、澎湖、偏鄉，根本就不用談重大建設了，是不是這樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-05-12T11:29:07.041000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-05-12T11:29:12.824000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
這個一定是國家的重大建設，像北竿機場興建，你說要縣政府負擔錢，用什麼錢…… |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-05-12T11:29:12.824000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-05-12T11:29:13.845000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
不可能，都是中央來處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-05-12T11:29:14.465000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-05-12T11:29:23.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
所以只要縣政府提出一個綜合規劃，裡面縱然談到經費，甚至未來談到財務的結構分擔，只要有這個案都可以進來談。 |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-05-12T11:29:23.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-05-12T11:29:32.674000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
現在就是沒有這個案，不能就是開會談而已，必須要有一個比方可行性評估、綜合規劃、細部規劃，要一步一步的走下來。 |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-05-12T11:29:32.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-05-12T11:29:42.404000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
世曦的報告說工程沒有問題，施工沒有問題，經費也沒有問題，那什麼有問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-05-12T11:29:42.404000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2026-05-12T11:29:46.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
就是政治環境出了問題，就是陳雪生加入國民黨錯了。 |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-05-12T11:29:46.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2026-05-12T11:29:47.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
不是這個問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-05-12T11:29:47.227000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2026-05-12T11:29:52.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
我跟院長報告，國民黨執政北竿機場也不可能核定！ |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-05-12T11:29:52.551000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2026-05-12T11:29:56.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
我老實跟你講，是民進黨、蔡總統的時候把它批了。 |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-05-12T11:29:58.035000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2026-05-12T11:30:07.170000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
現在馬祖大橋要國民黨去核定，我也聽不下去，如果民進黨再不核定，我跟你報告，我只有請求共產黨幫我忙。 |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-05-12T11:30:08.931000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2026-05-12T11:30:10.792000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
這個得不償失，我跟你講，得不償失啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2026-05-12T11:30:11.413000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2026-05-12T11:30:12.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
你會失去更多。 |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-05-12T11:30:12.793000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2026-05-12T11:30:20.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
我跟委員報告，你現在請縣政府提一個計畫出來，這可能是一個綜合評估的計畫，那就可以來討論，現在是沒有這個案子。 |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0.959 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-05-12T11:30:21.098000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2026-05-12T11:30:23.539000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
院長，你進入實質的計畫，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-05-12T11:30:23.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2026-05-12T11:30:24.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
要三、四年！ |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2026-05-12T11:30:27.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2026-05-12T11:30:44.224000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
你看國發會很可惡，上次去英國認證回來，我向他要資料，他說「不宜公開」，我就覺得奇怪，「不宜公開」，這是國防機密嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-05-12T11:30:44.224000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2026-05-12T11:30:46.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
不是，為什麼不宜公開？ |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-05-12T11:30:46.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[132].end |
2026-05-12T11:30:50.031000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].text |
我還沒找國發會主委來，他這兩天才回我公文。 |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2026-05-12T11:30:52.033000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[133].end |
2026-05-12T11:30:54.536000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].text |
院長，你覺得這個有什麼不宜公開的？ |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-05-12T11:30:54.536000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2026-05-12T11:30:56.077000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].text |
馬祖大橋是機密？ |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2026-05-12T11:30:56.077000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2026-05-12T11:31:29.268000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].text |
我不知道不宜公開的是哪一個部分，但一個地方建設不是全部都不宜公開，我不曉得他指的是哪一部分，不過國發會當然有它的機關組織權限跟職責，它負責任的做好這個工作，我希望是不是地方政府、縣政府，還是請交通部跟地方政府談一下，地方政府必須提出一個什麼計畫出來，國發會現在在審的內容如果有修正的意見，請地方政府按照審查意見來修正，這個案就可以往下推，目前就停在這裡啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2026-05-12T11:31:29.928000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[136].end |
2026-05-12T11:31:33.491000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].text |
院長，拜託您，我想你再幹也是8年，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2026-05-12T11:31:33.491000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[137].end |
2026-05-12T11:31:34.952000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].text |
沒有、沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2026-05-12T11:31:35.312000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[138].end |
2026-05-12T11:31:36.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].text |
你再幹也是8年啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2026-05-12T11:31:37.314000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[139].end |
2026-05-12T11:31:38.434000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].text |
沒有，不可能啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[139].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2026-05-12T11:31:38.995000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[140].end |
2026-05-12T11:31:58.043000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].text |
你看，雪生國大代表當了4年，跟賴總統也是老同事，跟本黨的主席也是老同事，縣長當了8年，立委當了15年，到現在這個大橋連影子都沒有，我對馬祖鄉親，情何以堪？ |
| transcript.gazette[140].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2026-05-12T11:31:59.024000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[141].end |
2026-05-12T11:32:04.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].text |
明年年底我要卸任了，你要我跪著跟老百姓賠不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[141].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2026-05-12T11:32:04.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[142].end |
2026-05-12T11:32:19.857000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].text |
我真的誠懇地跟委員說，我們可以討論出一個方式，請地方政府提出一個計畫，計畫如何提、這個內容地方政府要主導，但是我們可以告訴地方政府，只要有這個計畫出來，我們就按照這個計畫的程序來進行。 |
| transcript.gazette[142].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2026-05-12T11:32:20.237000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[143].end |
2026-05-12T11:32:27.862000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].text |
院長，以雪生這樣的經資歷，對馬祖未來的願景應該是非常、非常了解的。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-05-12T11:32:28.663000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[144].end |
2026-05-12T11:32:31.166000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].text |
我不敢講是唯一的一個，起碼是其中之一。 |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2026-05-12T11:32:31.166000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[145].end |
2026-05-12T11:32:33.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].text |
應該是最了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2026-05-12T11:32:33.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[146].end |
2026-05-12T11:32:42.018000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].text |
行政院起碼對我個人經資歷的過程跟我提出的意見，你們要給予重視，你們要去討論，明年編預算啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[146].quality |
0.854 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2026-05-12T11:32:43.793000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2026-05-12T11:32:46.335000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].text |
沒有計畫，現在還沒有一個…… |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2026-05-12T11:32:46.675000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2026-05-12T11:32:50.497000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].text |
我對你們那麼好，我覺得要有點壓力給你們。 |
| transcript.gazette[148].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2026-05-12T11:32:51.318000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[149].end |
2026-05-12T11:32:57.101000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].text |
我是很有誠意的跟委員說，我們請交通部、地方政府談一個計畫出來，請地方政府要主導這個計畫，應該是一個綜合規劃。 |
| transcript.gazette[149].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2026-05-12T11:33:00.563000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2026-05-12T11:33:09.928000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].text |
我想委員可以的話，我們來協助縣政府提送一份……應該是說行政院的公文、回應的公文…… |
| transcript.gazette[150].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2026-05-12T11:33:09.928000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[151].end |
2026-05-12T11:33:10.928000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].text |
這樣好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[151].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2026-05-12T11:33:10.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[152].end |
2026-05-12T11:33:12.189000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].text |
彥伯次長，一個月以內把它完成，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[152].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2026-05-12T11:33:12.189000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[153].end |
2026-05-12T11:33:12.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].text |
我們來協助。 |
| transcript.gazette[153].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2026-05-12T11:33:13.390000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[154].end |
2026-05-12T11:33:13.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].text |
什麼協助？對啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[154].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2026-05-12T11:33:13.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[155].end |
2026-05-12T11:33:14.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].text |
就是協助他們完成。 |
| transcript.gazette[155].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[156].start |
2026-05-12T11:33:14.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[156].end |
2026-05-12T11:33:16.631000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].text |
一個月以內完成，由你召集。 |
| transcript.gazette[156].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[157].start |
2026-05-12T11:33:18.132000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[157].end |
2026-05-12T11:33:18.552000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].text |
沒問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[157].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[158].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[158].start |
2026-05-12T11:33:18.552000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[158].end |
2026-05-12T11:33:20.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].text |
我們縣長、議長、立委全員到齊，議員統統來。 |
| transcript.gazette[158].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[159].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[159].start |
2026-05-12T11:33:20.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[159].end |
2026-05-12T11:33:23.815000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].text |
我們來協助縣政府出具一個公文。 |
| transcript.gazette[159].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[160].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[160].start |
2026-05-12T11:33:24.835000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[160].end |
2026-05-12T11:33:26.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].text |
鄉長也統統來，4個鄉長一起來，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[160].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[161].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[161].start |
2026-05-12T11:33:27.817000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[161].end |
2026-05-12T11:33:37.182000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].text |
因為時間的關係，我現在跟你討論觀光，我要發展馬祖觀光，院長到馬祖，對馬祖的想法是怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[161].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[162].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[162].start |
2026-05-12T11:33:38.162000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[162].end |
2026-05-12T11:33:49.070000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].text |
那天那句話我再重複，它是一個非常難得的戰地文化，很適合發展各種觀光，我們一定全力來發展觀光，而且不會讓它成為一個戰場。 |
| transcript.gazette[162].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[163].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[163].start |
2026-05-12T11:33:49.070000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[163].end |
2026-05-12T11:34:03.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].text |
你到馬祖風景管理處，斜對面看過去有一個碉堡，那是楊曜委員當兵的地方，當兵當到沒有中風，但是他痛風，因為那裡是很潮溼的地方，現在變成觀光景點，是不是？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[163].quality |
0.836 |
| transcript.gazette[164].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[164].start |
2026-05-12T11:34:04.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[164].end |
2026-05-12T11:34:13.284000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].text |
馬祖很漂亮，但是我跟你報告，馬祖被國產署跟軍備局占領的土地有多少，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[164].quality |
0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[165].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[165].start |
2026-05-12T11:34:13.284000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[165].end |
2026-05-12T11:34:13.644000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].text |
占領我們85%的土地。 |
| transcript.gazette[165].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[166].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[166].start |
2026-05-12T11:34:15.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[166].end |
2026-05-12T11:34:17.306000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].text |
因為過去戰地政務有其必要。 |
| transcript.gazette[166].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[167].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[167].start |
2026-05-12T11:34:17.786000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[167].end |
2026-05-12T11:34:23.888000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].text |
我們因為戰地政務，所以很多祖遺的土地還沒拿回來，現在法律上還無法解套。 |
| transcript.gazette[167].quality |
0.844 |
| transcript.gazette[168].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[168].start |
2026-05-12T11:34:24.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[168].end |
2026-05-12T11:34:25.489000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].text |
你叫他們怎麼發展觀光？ |
| transcript.gazette[168].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[169].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[169].start |
2026-05-12T11:34:27.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[169].end |
2026-05-12T11:34:34.281000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].text |
只能種地瓜、種高粱，種青菜自己吃還不夠，所以要從臺灣運過去。 |
| transcript.gazette[169].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[170].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[170].start |
2026-05-12T11:34:35.622000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[170].end |
2026-05-12T11:34:42.688000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].text |
還有馬祖曾經是黃魚的故鄉，黃魚打到可以踩著黃魚上岸。 |
| transcript.gazette[170].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[171].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[171].start |
2026-05-12T11:34:45.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[171].end |
2026-05-12T11:34:57.351000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].text |
所謂踩著黃魚上岸，是因為魚群過來，漁網裝魚裝到整條船都快翻船了，所以把網切斷，魚就浮在海水上面，一直到岸上。 |
| transcript.gazette[171].quality |
0.792 |
| transcript.gazette[172].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[172].start |
2026-05-12T11:34:58.311000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[172].end |
2026-05-12T11:35:01.795000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].text |
我們說可以踩著黃魚上岸，是這麼來的！ |
| transcript.gazette[172].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[173].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[173].start |
2026-05-12T11:35:02.756000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[173].end |
2026-05-12T11:35:03.496000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].text |
黃魚多到不行啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[173].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[174].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[174].start |
2026-05-12T11:35:04.657000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[174].end |
2026-05-12T11:35:07.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].text |
現在你看黃魚多貴。 |
| transcript.gazette[174].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[175].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[175].start |
2026-05-12T11:35:07.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[175].end |
2026-05-12T11:35:12.645000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].text |
好，黃魚沒有了，大陸跟我們一水之隔，海水是一樣的嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[175].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[176].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[176].start |
2026-05-12T11:35:13.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[176].end |
2026-05-12T11:35:15.207000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].text |
他的海水有毒，我們的海水沒毒嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[176].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[177].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[177].start |
2026-05-12T11:35:16.608000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[177].end |
2026-05-12T11:35:33.445000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].text |
他們的淡菜、牡蠣等等水產品……大陸連江縣是大陸水產養殖的第一大縣，以前是第二，養殖水產品有非常多的東西，你看我們老百姓拿一點東西過來還被判刑耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[177].quality |
0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[178].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[178].start |
2026-05-12T11:35:34.346000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[178].end |
2026-05-12T11:35:42.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].text |
要關兩年多、關三年，好幾個抓去關，東西不准上來，那觀光客去吃什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[178].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[179].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[179].start |
2026-05-12T11:35:42.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[179].end |
2026-05-12T11:35:46.191000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].text |
我不曉得院長那天去吃了什麼水產沒有？沒有。沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[179].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[180].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[180].start |
2026-05-12T11:35:46.351000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[180].end |
2026-05-12T11:35:46.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].text |
都吃豬肉？ |
| transcript.gazette[180].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[181].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[181].start |
2026-05-12T11:35:48.712000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[181].end |
2026-05-12T11:35:49.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].text |
豬肉、牛肉！ |
| transcript.gazette[181].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[182].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[182].start |
2026-05-12T11:35:50.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[182].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[182].end |
2026-05-12T11:35:53.061000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[182].text |
我看你沒吃到什麼水產吧？沒有。對啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[182].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[183].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[183].start |
2026-05-12T11:35:54.482000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[183].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[183].end |
2026-05-12T11:35:55.262000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[183].text |
以前滿桌都是！ |
| transcript.gazette[183].quality |
1 |
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陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[184].start |
2026-05-12T11:35:55.902000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[184].end |
2026-05-12T11:35:57.883000+08:00 |
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淡菜一整桌的吃啊！有啦！ |
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0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[185].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[185].start |
2026-05-12T11:35:58.064000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[185].end |
2026-05-12T11:36:03.586000+08:00 |
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別桌的觀光客，從各地去的、各縣市去的，我看他們吃得都很豐富啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[185].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[186].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[186].start |
2026-05-12T11:36:03.766000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[186].end |
2026-05-12T11:36:12.691000+08:00 |
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你看漁業署、經濟部，規定這個不准進來，那個又什麼外貿、國貿、什麼幾號，我是不懂啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[186].quality |
0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[187].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[187].start |
2026-05-12T11:36:14.331000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[187].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[187].end |
2026-05-12T11:36:26.654000+08:00 |
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然後又不去輔導，就去放養、放魚，放養3萬隻魚，大陸一放就是幾十萬，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[187].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[188].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[188].start |
2026-05-12T11:36:28.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[188].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[188].end |
2026-05-12T11:36:29.275000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[188].text |
他只是做個樣子嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[188].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[189].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[189].start |
2026-05-12T11:36:30.116000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[189].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[189].end |
2026-05-12T11:36:36.418000+08:00 |
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你要輔導老百姓怎麼樣把海洋資源變成海洋牧場嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[189].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[190].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[190].start |
2026-05-12T11:36:36.678000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[190].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[190].end |
2026-05-12T11:36:41.220000+08:00 |
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歷任的農業部長都放一放就算了，人好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[190].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[191].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[191].start |
2026-05-12T11:36:41.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[191].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[191].end |
2026-05-12T11:36:42.281000+08:00 |
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對我們都很客氣啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[191].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[192].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[192].start |
2026-05-12T11:36:43.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[192].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[192].end |
2026-05-12T11:36:46.582000+08:00 |
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你看馬祖老百姓有沒有跟你抗爭？ |
| transcript.gazette[192].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[193].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[193].start |
2026-05-12T11:36:48.623000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[193].end |
2026-05-12T11:36:50.224000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].text |
雪生有沒有罵過你們？沒有！ |
| transcript.gazette[193].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[194].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[194].start |
2026-05-12T11:36:51.414000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[194].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[194].end |
2026-05-12T11:36:57.136000+08:00 |
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我們自己知道我們人太少了，土地太小了，我也不敢罵，我都忍氣吞聲啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[194].quality |
0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[195].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[195].start |
2026-05-12T11:36:58.817000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[195].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[195].end |
2026-05-12T11:36:59.517000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[195].text |
滿腹的委屈啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[195].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[196].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[196].start |
2026-05-12T11:37:00.678000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[196].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[196].end |
2026-05-12T11:37:07.841000+08:00 |
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那天到了馬祖，院長說：立委，你都沒講話，讓你講講話！ |
| transcript.gazette[196].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[197].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[197].start |
2026-05-12T11:37:07.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[197].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[197].end |
2026-05-12T11:37:09.261000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[197].text |
我哪裡敢講話？ |
| transcript.gazette[197].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[198].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[198].start |
2026-05-12T11:37:09.261000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[198].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[198].end |
2026-05-12T11:37:12.123000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[198].text |
我要跟你講，應該講一個鐘頭、兩個鐘頭都講不完的啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[198].quality |
0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[199].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[199].start |
2026-05-12T11:37:13.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[199].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[199].end |
2026-05-12T11:37:13.363000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[199].text |
是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[199].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[200].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[200].start |
2026-05-12T11:37:13.763000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[200].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[200].end |
2026-05-12T11:37:21.186000+08:00 |
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你沒交代我講，我想那也不是我的場合，我就不講話，後來你總算也讓我講了幾分鐘，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[200].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[201].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[201].start |
2026-05-12T11:37:22.247000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[201].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[201].end |
2026-05-12T11:37:22.587000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[201].text |
是，應該的、應該的。 |
| transcript.gazette[201].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[202].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[202].start |
2026-05-12T11:37:23.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[202].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[202].end |
2026-05-12T11:37:26.829000+08:00 |
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我是說農業部去輔導一下嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[202].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[203].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[203].start |
2026-05-12T11:37:28.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[203].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[203].end |
2026-05-12T11:37:28.590000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[203].text |
是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[203].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[204].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[204].start |
2026-05-12T11:37:28.911000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[204].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[204].end |
2026-05-12T11:37:29.191000+08:00 |
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輔導一下嘛！好。 |
| transcript.gazette[204].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[205].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[205].start |
2026-05-12T11:37:30.631000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[205].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[205].end |
2026-05-12T11:37:33.853000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[205].text |
馬祖老百姓要吃什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[205].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[206].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[206].start |
2026-05-12T11:37:35.134000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[206].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[206].end |
2026-05-12T11:37:42.058000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[206].text |
以前旅客搭飛機過去，房子沒人住，現在呢？客滿！對。 |
| transcript.gazette[206].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[207].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[207].start |
2026-05-12T11:37:44.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[207].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[207].end |
2026-05-12T11:37:54.316000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[207].text |
老百姓的田地變更計畫蓋房子、蓋民宿，我們也把民宿合法化，土地都滿啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[207].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[208].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[208].start |
2026-05-12T11:37:55.277000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[208].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[208].end |
2026-05-12T11:37:58.098000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[208].text |
沒有土地了，土地在誰那裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[208].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[209].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[209].start |
2026-05-12T11:37:58.098000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[209].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[209].end |
2026-05-12T11:38:03.981000+08:00 |
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在國產署那裡、在軍方那裡，軍方跟國產署能不能釋出土地給縣政府呢？可以！ |
| transcript.gazette[209].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[210].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[210].start |
2026-05-12T11:38:05.141000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[210].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[210].end |
2026-05-12T11:38:12.444000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[210].text |
但是不能做私人用途，這等於逼著縣政府要去蓋旅館，縣政府要蓋旅館嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[210].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[211].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[211].start |
2026-05-12T11:38:12.444000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[211].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[211].end |
2026-05-12T11:38:13.005000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[211].text |
這個沒有道理吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[211].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[212].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[212].start |
2026-05-12T11:38:14.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[212].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[212].end |
2026-05-12T11:38:19.035000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[212].text |
院長有機會看看能不能跟您底下各部會討論一下？ |
| transcript.gazette[212].quality |
0.762 |
| transcript.gazette[213].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[213].start |
2026-05-12T11:38:21.236000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[213].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[213].end |
2026-05-12T11:38:34.665000+08:00 |
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金門土地很多，金門的土地都是僑胞的，僑胞都在外面不回來，所以荒廢很多土地，但是馬祖僑胞很少，我們的土地利用光了，所以我覺得這個非常重要。 |
| transcript.gazette[213].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[214].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[214].start |
2026-05-12T11:38:36.467000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[214].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[214].end |
2026-05-12T11:38:42.070000+08:00 |
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另外，最近在討論軍購，院長，我那時候跟你討論過，你就講實話嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[214].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[215].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[215].start |
2026-05-12T11:38:44.697000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[215].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[215].end |
2026-05-12T11:38:47.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[215].text |
其實發價書來了，多少就多少嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[215].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[216].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[216].start |
2026-05-12T11:38:48.044000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[216].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[216].end |
2026-05-12T11:38:54.058000+08:00 |
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雖然今天不是討論這個，我只是覺得反對黨監督你是有必要的啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[216].quality |
0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[217].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[217].start |
2026-05-12T11:38:55.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[217].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[217].end |
2026-05-12T11:38:55.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[217].text |
是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[217].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[218].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[218].start |
2026-05-12T11:38:56.567000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[218].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[218].end |
2026-05-12T11:38:57.087000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[218].text |
8,000億就8,000億嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[218].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[219].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[219].start |
2026-05-12T11:38:57.207000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[219].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[219].end |
2026-05-12T11:38:59.189000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[219].text |
你先讓它過，過了你再申請啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[219].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[220].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[220].start |
2026-05-12T11:39:00.410000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[220].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[220].end |
2026-05-12T11:39:09.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[220].text |
7,800億的部分總統已經公告了，我們也希望事不宜遲，未來第二階段還是要趕快請大院能夠討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[220].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[221].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[221].start |
2026-05-12T11:39:09.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[221].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[221].end |
2026-05-12T11:39:10.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[221].text |
我們會支持！ |
| transcript.gazette[221].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[222].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[222].start |
2026-05-12T11:39:09.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[222].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[222].end |
2026-05-12T11:39:13.839000+08:00 |
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另外就是本土軍工產業這一塊不涵蓋在裡面，這個才是現在我們必須想要補足的。 |
| transcript.gazette[222].quality |
0.559 |
| transcript.gazette[223].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[223].start |
2026-05-12T11:39:14.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[223].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[223].end |
2026-05-12T11:39:21.445000+08:00 |
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你們不要跟老百姓說國民黨在反對什麼的，這個仇越結越深了，要怎麼解套，你講嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[223].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[224].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[224].start |
2026-05-12T11:39:21.985000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[224].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[224].end |
2026-05-12T11:39:22.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[224].text |
對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[224].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[225].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[225].start |
2026-05-12T11:39:23.246000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[225].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[225].end |
2026-05-12T11:39:26.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[225].text |
你最近又講了，海馬士要部署在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[225].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[226].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[226].start |
2026-05-12T11:39:26.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[226].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[226].end |
2026-05-12T11:39:28.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[226].text |
部署在東引！ |
| transcript.gazette[226].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[227].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[227].start |
2026-05-12T11:39:28.670000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[227].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[227].end |
2026-05-12T11:39:34.853000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[227].text |
東引很可憐，只有4平方公里的一個彈丸之地，裡面放了什麼東西？ |
| transcript.gazette[227].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[228].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[228].start |
2026-05-12T11:39:34.913000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[228].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[228].end |
2026-05-12T11:39:37.134000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[228].text |
我跟你講，是什麼寶貝？ |
| transcript.gazette[228].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[229].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[229].start |
2026-05-12T11:39:37.134000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[229].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[229].end |
2026-05-12T11:39:44.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[229].text |
天弓飛彈、雄一飛彈、雄二飛彈，東引的對面是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[229].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[230].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[230].start |
2026-05-12T11:39:44.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[230].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[230].end |
2026-05-12T11:39:51.281000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[230].text |
寧德三都澳峽谷是老共的潛水艇基地，它一出來，我們瞄準它，「砰」！ |
| transcript.gazette[230].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[231].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[231].start |
2026-05-12T11:39:51.462000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[231].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[231].end |
2026-05-12T11:39:51.622000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[231].text |
把它打掉！ |
| transcript.gazette[231].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[232].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[232].start |
2026-05-12T11:39:53.423000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[232].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[232].end |
2026-05-12T11:39:53.563000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[232].text |
它還射得了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[232].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[233].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[233].start |
2026-05-12T11:39:54.861000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[233].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[233].end |
2026-05-12T11:40:08.686000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[233].text |
他的無人機可以飛到東引的上空，東引底下在做什麼或部署什麼都看得清清楚楚，大部分的防禦工事及重裝備都在地底下，你只要發射一顆，誰倒楣？ |
| transcript.gazette[233].quality |
0.787 |
| transcript.gazette[234].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[234].start |
2026-05-12T11:40:09.426000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[234].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[234].end |
2026-05-12T11:40:25.613000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[234].text |
老百姓倒楣，住在土地上的都是老百姓或在做生意什麼的，他們認為大陸不會打東引，阿兵哥全部躲在地下，打不到阿兵哥，但老百姓會先死，院長要不要給東引老百姓一些安全的加給？ |
| transcript.gazette[234].quality |
0.787 |
| transcript.gazette[235].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[235].start |
2026-05-12T11:40:26.334000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[235].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[235].end |
2026-05-12T11:40:35.542000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[235].text |
如果委員都講到這一段，你就知道政府怎麼會不照顧離島、怎麼會覺得離島不重要？ |
| transcript.gazette[235].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[236].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[236].start |
2026-05-12T11:40:36.042000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[236].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[236].end |
2026-05-12T11:40:42.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[236].text |
離島非常重要，雖然現在已經不是戰地文化，但至少是我們在防衛臺灣的第一線。 |
| transcript.gazette[236].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[237].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[237].start |
2026-05-12T11:40:42.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[237].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[237].end |
2026-05-12T11:40:52.649000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[237].text |
上面的官兵、居民及所有的設施，都是保障整個臺、澎、金、馬安全的第一線，政府當然極端的重視，這不用討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[237].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[238].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[238].start |
2026-05-12T11:40:53.029000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[238].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[238].end |
2026-05-12T11:40:53.889000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[238].text |
國防部有沒有跟你報告？ |
| transcript.gazette[238].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[239].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[239].start |
2026-05-12T11:40:55.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[239].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[239].end |
2026-05-12T11:40:56.411000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[239].text |
他的兵推結果有沒有告訴你？ |
| transcript.gazette[239].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[240].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[240].start |
2026-05-12T11:40:57.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[240].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[240].end |
2026-05-12T11:41:05.843000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[240].text |
兵推，兵棋推演，馬祖的兵推是要你獨立作戰，老共打過來時讓你獨立作戰。 |
| transcript.gazette[240].quality |
0.567 |
| transcript.gazette[241].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[241].start |
2026-05-12T11:41:07.724000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[241].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[241].end |
2026-05-12T11:41:13.506000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[241].text |
兵推就是讓我們從兵棋推演的結果做更多的改善及補強，這才是兵推的結果。 |
| transcript.gazette[241].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[242].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[242].start |
2026-05-12T11:41:14.706000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[242].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[242].end |
2026-05-12T11:41:20.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[242].text |
他要圍亮島，亮島上面二、三十個兵，還要解放軍來圍？ |
| transcript.gazette[242].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[243].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[243].start |
2026-05-12T11:41:21.288000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[243].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[243].end |
2026-05-12T11:41:27.610000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[243].text |
漁船就把你弄垮了，只有二、三十個兵，高登也是幾十個，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[243].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[244].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[244].start |
2026-05-12T11:41:28.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[244].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[244].end |
2026-05-12T11:41:35.060000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[244].text |
現在不是等著老共打我們，老百姓都在想，馬祖沒有罵你，你應該不會打我，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[244].quality |
0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[245].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[245].start |
2026-05-12T11:41:35.060000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[245].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[245].end |
2026-05-12T11:41:37.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[245].text |
是臺灣在罵你啊。 |
| transcript.gazette[245].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[246].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[246].start |
2026-05-12T11:41:37.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[246].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[246].end |
2026-05-12T11:41:44.547000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[246].text |
我們所做的任何準備，就是希望不要引起戰爭，因為我們有足夠的能力保護自己。 |
| transcript.gazette[246].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[247].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[247].start |
2026-05-12T11:41:45.448000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[247].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[247].end |
2026-05-12T11:41:54.395000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[247].text |
現在的戰爭應該是使用科技的戰爭，兵力的多寡不是關鍵，是科技能不能就整個系統來維護臺、澎、金、馬的安全。 |
| transcript.gazette[247].quality |
0.956 |
| transcript.gazette[248].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[248].start |
2026-05-12T11:41:55.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[248].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[248].end |
2026-05-12T11:41:57.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[248].text |
院長，你知道馬祖老百姓從哪裡搬來的嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[248].quality |
0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[249].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[249].start |
2026-05-12T11:41:57.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[249].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[249].end |
2026-05-12T11:42:00.739000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[249].text |
不是從臺灣搬過去，是從大陸搬過來的。 |
| transcript.gazette[249].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[250].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[250].start |
2026-05-12T11:42:02.189000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[250].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[250].end |
2026-05-12T11:42:03.530000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[250].text |
對我們來講都是中華民國的國民。 |
| transcript.gazette[250].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[251].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[251].start |
2026-05-12T11:42:04.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[251].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[251].end |
2026-05-12T11:42:20.561000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[251].text |
這個沒錯，問題他是從黃岐、苔菉、北茭、連江、福州、長樂、梅花等地方搬到馬祖定居，在那邊的下一代是這麼出來的，你現在說跟對面的共匪打仗。 |
| transcript.gazette[251].quality |
0.807 |
| transcript.gazette[252].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[252].start |
2026-05-12T11:42:22.862000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[252].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[252].end |
2026-05-12T11:42:24.023000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[252].text |
我們沒有要跟他打仗。 |
| transcript.gazette[252].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[253].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[253].start |
2026-05-12T11:42:24.023000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[253].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[253].end |
2026-05-12T11:42:25.023000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[253].text |
我們反中、仇中。 |
| transcript.gazette[253].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[254].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[254].start |
2026-05-12T11:42:24.603000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[254].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[254].end |
2026-05-12T11:42:28.465000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[254].text |
我們只希望他不要隨意的擴張武力，侵犯我們的主權。 |
| transcript.gazette[254].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[255].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[255].start |
2026-05-12T11:42:30.155000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[255].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[255].end |
2026-05-12T11:42:40.219000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[255].text |
院長，對面是我堂哥、堂弟，有的人我要叫他堂嫂，老一輩走了，我們現在老了，變成阿公、阿嬤了，你叫我們兩邊對打？ |
| transcript.gazette[255].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[256].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[256].start |
2026-05-12T11:42:40.219000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[256].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[256].end |
2026-05-12T11:42:41.219000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[256].text |
怎麼打？ |
| transcript.gazette[256].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[257].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[257].start |
2026-05-12T11:42:40.639000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[257].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[257].end |
2026-05-12T11:42:51.643000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[257].text |
沒有，沒有叫你打，我們從來都不主張任何對打，我們只希望他不要侵犯我們的主權，我們做好自己的準備，讓他不敢對我們心存企圖心跟妄想，這樣就好了。 |
| transcript.gazette[257].quality |
0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[258].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[258].start |
2026-05-12T11:42:52.163000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[258].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[258].end |
2026-05-12T11:42:54.764000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[258].text |
你說老共有跟我們講過什麼統一或獨立？ |
| transcript.gazette[258].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[259].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[259].start |
2026-05-12T11:42:55.244000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[259].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[259].end |
2026-05-12T11:43:00.306000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[259].text |
從來沒講過，他沒有跟我講過，我去大陸那麼多次，沒有跟我聊這些東西。 |
| transcript.gazette[259].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[260].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[260].start |
2026-05-12T11:43:00.907000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[260].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[260].end |
2026-05-12T11:43:03.908000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[260].text |
但他實際在做的就是要併吞我們的主權，不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[260].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[261].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[261].start |
2026-05-12T11:43:03.908000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[261].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[261].end |
2026-05-12T11:43:06.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[261].text |
他就是認為，你不要獨立我就不會對你怎麼樣…… |
| transcript.gazette[261].quality |
0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[262].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[262].start |
2026-05-12T11:43:06.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[262].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[262].end |
2026-05-12T11:43:09.030000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[262].text |
你去那邊講中華民國…… |
| transcript.gazette[262].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[263].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[263].start |
2026-05-12T11:43:09.030000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[263].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[263].end |
2026-05-12T11:43:10.331000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[263].text |
這是兩個大人的事情，跟我們有什麼關係？ |
| transcript.gazette[263].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[264].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[264].start |
2026-05-12T11:43:10.611000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[264].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[264].end |
2026-05-12T11:43:12.892000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[264].text |
到那邊也講中華民國，他大概就翻桌了。 |
| transcript.gazette[264].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[265].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[265].start |
2026-05-12T11:43:13.392000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[265].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[265].end |
2026-05-12T11:43:15.613000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[265].text |
我們是在夾縫中求生存，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[265].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[266].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[266].start |
2026-05-12T11:43:15.613000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[266].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[266].end |
2026-05-12T11:43:17.993000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[266].text |
馬祖真的也蠻可憐。 |
| transcript.gazette[266].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[267].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[267].start |
2026-05-12T11:43:17.993000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[267].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[267].end |
2026-05-12T11:43:29.527000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[267].text |
所以我們要保障這樣的民主生活方式不被破壞，包括在馬祖、金門從各地來的民眾，也都希望維持現在的生活跟社會制度。 |
| transcript.gazette[267].quality |
0.86 |
| transcript.gazette[268].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[268].start |
2026-05-12T11:43:30.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[268].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[268].end |
2026-05-12T11:43:33.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[268].text |
院長，今天講來講去，觀光的部分拜託您，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[268].quality |
0.632 |
| transcript.gazette[269].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[269].start |
2026-05-12T11:43:34.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[269].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[269].end |
2026-05-12T11:43:35.081000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[269].text |
我們會全力發展觀光。 |
| transcript.gazette[269].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[270].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[270].start |
2026-05-12T11:43:35.361000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[270].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[270].end |
2026-05-12T11:43:37.042000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[270].text |
請農業部來協助我們，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[270].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[271].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[271].start |
2026-05-12T11:43:37.182000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[271].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[271].end |
2026-05-12T11:43:43.367000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[271].text |
我會請農業部研究如何協助馬祖的漁民在漁業的振興，我知道漁業的振興是困難的。 |
| transcript.gazette[271].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[272].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[272].start |
2026-05-12T11:43:43.487000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[272].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[272].end |
2026-05-12T11:43:49.852000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[272].text |
你不要預算編個200萬、300萬、500萬、1,000萬，搪塞一下、唬爛一下就過了，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[272].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[273].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[273].start |
2026-05-12T11:43:50.993000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[273].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[273].end |
2026-05-12T11:43:52.874000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[273].text |
委員也不要一次刪50億。 |
| transcript.gazette[273].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[274].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[274].start |
2026-05-12T11:43:54.496000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[274].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[274].end |
2026-05-12T11:43:58.279000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[274].text |
請院長幫個忙，另外請彥伯次長協助，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[274].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[275].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[275].start |
2026-05-12T11:43:59.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[275].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[275].end |
2026-05-12T11:44:07.249000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[275].text |
院長也交代了，我希望一個月之內，馬祖大橋由您親自主持或是部長主持，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[275].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[276].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[276].start |
2026-05-12T11:44:07.429000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[276].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[276].end |
2026-05-12T11:44:08.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[276].text |
你開個會，馬上把它檢討。 |
| transcript.gazette[276].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[277].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[277].start |
2026-05-12T11:44:08.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[277].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[277].end |
2026-05-12T11:44:09.991000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[277].text |
一定會雙方來協助。 |
| transcript.gazette[277].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[278].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[278].start |
2026-05-12T11:44:09.991000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[278].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[278].end |
2026-05-12T11:44:10.991000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[278].text |
交通部來協助。 |
| transcript.gazette[278].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[279].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[279].start |
2026-05-12T11:44:10.351000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[279].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[279].end |
2026-05-12T11:44:28.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[279].text |
起碼明年度……我們綜合計畫花了1億5,000萬，世㬢說工程技術沒問題，錢也沒問題，你一年編個50億、30億，我又沒有叫你全部幾百億通通編進來，你慢慢編嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[279].quality |
0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[280].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[280].start |
2026-05-12T11:44:29.714000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[280].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[280].end |
2026-05-12T11:44:34.855000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[280].text |
對，如果計畫編出來經過審查之後，當然是連續編列逐年的預算。 |
| transcript.gazette[280].quality |
0.808 |
| transcript.gazette[281].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[281].start |
2026-05-12T11:44:35.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[281].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[281].end |
2026-05-12T11:44:42.037000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[281].text |
搞不好你今年、明年編了以後，過兩年把這個爛攤子丟給國民黨了，你們又不是永遠執政。 |
| transcript.gazette[281].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[282].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[282].start |
2026-05-12T11:44:44.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[282].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[282].end |
2026-05-12T11:44:45.098000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[282].text |
第一個，這不是爛攤子…… |
| transcript.gazette[282].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[283].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[283].start |
2026-05-12T11:44:45.218000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[283].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[283].end |
2026-05-12T11:44:45.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[283].text |
依我看，你覺得是爛攤子。 |
| transcript.gazette[283].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[284].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[284].start |
2026-05-12T11:44:45.938000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[284].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[284].end |
2026-05-12T11:44:48.859000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[284].text |
而且政府的施政是延續的。 |
| transcript.gazette[284].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[285].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[285].start |
2026-05-12T11:44:48.859000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[285].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[285].end |
2026-05-12T11:44:51.359000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[285].text |
好，這句話講得很好聽。 |
| transcript.gazette[285].quality |
0.111 |
| transcript.gazette[286].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[286].start |
2026-05-12T11:44:51.359000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[286].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[286].end |
2026-05-12T11:44:51.559000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[286].text |
我們不會隨便亂丟。 |
| transcript.gazette[286].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[287].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[287].start |
2026-05-12T11:44:51.559000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[287].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[287].end |
2026-05-12T11:44:51.999000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[287].text |
但是明年，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[287].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[288].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[288].start |
2026-05-12T11:44:55.257000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[288].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[288].end |
2026-05-12T11:44:56.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[288].text |
院長，拜託啦！好。 |
| transcript.gazette[288].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[289].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[289].start |
2026-05-12T11:44:56.580000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[289].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[289].end |
2026-05-12T11:44:57.421000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[289].text |
好，次長，謝謝。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[289].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[290].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[290].start |
2026-05-12T11:44:57.601000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[290].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[290].end |
2026-05-12T11:44:57.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[290].text |
我們會接觸，謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[290].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[291].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[291].start |
2026-05-12T11:44:57.762000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[291].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[291].end |
2026-05-12T11:44:57.902000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[291].text |
我們儘速來協助，謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[291].quality |
0.364 |
| transcript.gazette[292].speaker |
陳委員雪生 |
| transcript.gazette[292].start |
2026-05-12T11:44:57.902000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[292].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[292].end |
2026-05-12T11:44:57.922000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[292].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[292].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[293].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[293].start |
2026-05-12T11:44:58.422000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[293].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[293].end |
2026-05-12T11:45:01.564857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[293].text |
謝謝陳委員，也謝謝卓院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[293].quality |
0.273 |
| transcript.gazette[294].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[294].start |
2026-05-12T11:45:01.864857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[294].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[294].end |
2026-05-12T11:45:08.150571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[294].text |
報告院會，休息5分鐘，休息之後繼續進行質詢，現在休息。 |
| transcript.gazette[294].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[295].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[295].start |
2026-05-12T11:45:08.450571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[295].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[295].end |
2026-05-12T11:45:09.593429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[295].text |
休息（11時45分） |
| transcript.gazette[295].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[296].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[296].start |
2026-05-12T11:45:09.893429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[296].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[296].end |
2026-05-12T11:45:11.607714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[296].text |
繼續開會（11時50分） |
| transcript.gazette[296].quality |
0 |