| IVOD_ID |
169033 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169033 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-30T11:52:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-30T12:03:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b51b6e95b687bd8ec9049e2370f59cf64094fdde23d63da5b0908d82b746be59621313771590f4455ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡易餘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:52:45 - 12:03:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-30T10:10:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院歲入預算第5款第1項第2目暨國家發展委員會及所屬單位預算部分。
二、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於行政院主管：行政院國家發展基金、離島建設基金、花東地區永續發展基金及促進轉型正義基金。(詢答)
【4月29日及4月30日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝我們下一位質詢請蔡議員好謝謝趙偉那我們是不是邀請這個國發會主委請國發會葉主委主委委員好 |
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诶 主委齁主委 這個最近大家都在討論啦齁台灣的生意率已經是全世界 |
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最後一名那我們就看到對應著這個韓國南韓的出生率是有回升那他們對於出生率的一個回升事實上也是扎了很多的政策包括說他們延長全新的運營價包括他們也增設男性的運營價還從10天增設到了20天那 |
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他們還針對雙親如果共同請育嬰假的時候全新補助從三個月提升到六個月那育嬰假的總時間從一年可以提升到1.5年然後他們還有賦予企業的義務跟獎勵那其中一個比較重要的就是說企業如果對員工在兩歲以前發放這個補助金企業對員工發補助金的話全額免稅 |
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那支持企業來解決少子化的危機那當然這是韓國的政策那我們台灣一樣是有很多這個少子化政策那主要就是落在0到6歲國家一起養的政策那包括有育兒津貼包括有托育津貼包括有就學的繳費的一個上限然後基本上這樣的津貼制度就是減輕年輕人 |
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因為生育所造成的負擔但是看起來韓國的政策方向有效但是在台灣的政策方向看不到成績那這件事主委你的檢討是為什麼呢第一個跟委員報告就是說 |
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最近應該那個府院會有一個比較近一步的那一個關於零到六歲甚至零到十八歲國家一起養這個部分會有一系列的一些政策出來那整個的那一個新的部分的話會跟委員剛剛提到那個韓國的政策其實是蠻 |
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蠻接近的 譬如說像擴增男性育嬰假這個部分我們原本就有在做了而且男性我們現在是有的但是可能會再擴大實施這樣子那這個部分來講的話其實還有另外一個就是說可能就是說我們目前就是說申請那個譬如說臨時的那個照顧假的話那你的工作對企業來講就沒有人做 |
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那所以這個部分我們也在思考說怎麼樣讓企業減輕這樣一個負擔因為他畢竟還是要有人來做這件事情嘛所以他可能會有一些做法或者是措施來讓企業比較能夠安心的讓員工去請這個照顧家所以一系列的政策可能在最近可能會一系列的推出來會再有後續的政策那我希望政策是有效啦 |
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而且這個政策我覺得中央不用太擔心大家就是說中央政府跟地方政府大家應該是合作面對少子化議題也不是只有中央責任地方也是希望來出一點力但是我們卻看到一個公文 這個公文有點讓我納悶因為我剛剛舉了韓國的例子 韓國還鼓勵企業去 |
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去給育兒的獎勵金給獎勵金給他免稅但是我們看到我們的少子化政策這個中央就一個公文說如果是2到6歲中央有補助的話那地方政府就如果你要補助的話你就要就擴減中央對直轄市縣市的相關教育補助比例就要擴減意思就是說因應2到6歲的幼兒少子化的一個補助 |
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中央有做啦,地方不准做那你們當然這個理由,我可以理解這個理由你們是寫避免地方的財力不一,互相禁足產生福利遷移意思就是說後來比較賣,可能小孩就不要在那裡生我就稍微保養生,後來會比較好你們會煩惱一點,但是以我來看煩惱一點是假的啦 |
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反正這件事我覺得是假的啦因為你看現在啊有很多地方政府說中央有普發現金那我們地方也要普發現金那普發現金有的縣市有有的縣市沒有那沒有的他就會被批判啊怎樣 |
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事實上我覺得這樣都不好因為每個縣市都有他自己的財政能力去做他們自己財政能力可以做怎樣的事情那有的地方政府就認為說我的財政我想要放在少子化政策我想要把我的資源投注在這裡的爸爸媽媽有生小孩我再給他更大的一個誘因他快要選擇這樣做 |
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這中央教育是高利貸就不會付啊怎麼會對大家說你如果要少子化政策地方政府要加碼的話我就要擴減你對地方的這個補助比例這個是怎樣的邏輯產生這樣的決定這個部分跟委員報告這個部分我會來跟教育部這邊做一個協調我會跟那個部長這邊反映一下就是這個部分有沒有一些在商議的空間是啦 就是我有點搞不懂啦因為他針對2到6歲啦 |
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你知道現在很多地方針對營養午餐的政策也有每個縣市的不同調有的縣市財政能力比較好他營養午餐願意再加碼所以在2到6歲以外的福利的一個競逐你們覺得沒有關係但是2到6歲就不要有福利競逐 |
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這件事就是 我覺得有點本末倒置了照理說 如果這個地方政府真的鼓勵我有很好的財政能力 我要大幅的鼓勵 每個孩子在我這裡生 我讓他真的好好 加碼再加碼真的讓他下去做也沒關係 真的讓他下去嘗試看看尤其有一些戶籍想要簽的 可是戶籍要簽很容易啊 |
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他要簽戶籍也是要有 要有 要有資產不然就是你要有一個 一個其他人願意讓你簽啊也不是那麼簡單 會有簽戶籍但是總是地方政府願意做這件事啊給這些年輕人 爸爸媽媽想說 我的小孩子一隻好就真的很好這樣就讓他勇敢去嘗試啊地方政府他有這樣的財政能力給他去嘗試有什麼不好的 |
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好不好 這個你們再思考一下我來 我會再跟那個教育部長 政部長對 因為時間到 我就再呼籲一件事啦就是說因為台灣的偏鄉齁這個人口的一個減少當然很多人少子化感冠啊 不得這個高齡化一樣是要重視現在台灣就是齁 全國啦齁這個高齡的人口齁高齡人口比例最高的就是台北市第二就是我們嘉義縣齁 |
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台北市第一名 萬聖第二名但是我們看到的這些高齡化社會他很多就真的在於整咖沒辦法給年輕人回來住 |
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這個政客沒辦法讓年輕人回來住就是來自於說政客根本沒地讓年輕人可以回去住回去有一個地方住 都已經持份到破碎了所以要解決這個的一些政策上的一個工具就是鄉規 鄉村規劃 |
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那既然鄉規這麼重要的話我覺得國發會應該更大膽的把預算協助每個地方政府趕快來進行每一個村莊的鄉規讓這些村莊趕快把去怎麼這個化齡維整趕快把每一個 |
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薄樓都有辦法產生出一些間地出來大家要持分地看要怎麼恢復起來恢復起來 藉著這個枕頭也比較會活起來不然我們看到很多不管是以前把它叫做極限村還是以前叫做五子村裡這些名字都不好 |
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但是這裡的廟宇也都放很久了這無線村我記得2018年到現在都在放這個但是看起來都沒有辦法啊你面對這種超高齡的一些枕頭它一樣是那個地方沒有整個沒有他們的土地計劃沒有鄉村規劃所以土地破碎又零散這個事情到現在一樣無解一樣沒有看到 |
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政府要怎麼去輔導他們明明就有一個叫相規我們現在有實施相規的又少之又少這件事情國發會要重視啦好不好委員的意見我再跟那個劉部長這邊因為這個屬於內政部國土部我會跟他反映跟他協調 |
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當然他站在各部會啦,這個事情來進步國土事務沒問題啦,不然你國安會你就看到這裡台灣的這個現狀嘛,你國安會當然要站在說,我就是要改變這個現狀,你黨保安也是要叫他們就是要大力去做啊,好不好?我會反映委員的意見。好,謝謝主委,謝謝。 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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好，謝謝召委。 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-30T11:52:58.103000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:52:58.584000+08:00 |
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是不是有請國發會主委？ |
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主席 |
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2026-04-30T11:52:58.804000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:52:59.164000+08:00 |
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請國發會葉主委。 |
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1 |
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葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-04-30T11:52:59.665000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:53:08.112000+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-30T11:53:21.879000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:54:29.389000+08:00 |
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主委，最近大家都在討論臺灣生育率已經是全世界最後一名，我們看到對應著南韓，南韓出生率是有回升，他們對於出生率的回升，事實上也推出了很多的政策，包括他們延長全薪的育嬰假、擴增男性育嬰假從原本10天增加到20天，他們還針對雙親如果共同請育嬰假的時候，全薪補助從3個月提升到6個月，育嬰假的總時間從1年可以提升到1.5年，還有賦予企業的義務跟獎勵，其中一個比較重要的是，企業如果對員工的子女在2歲以前發放補助金，這補助金是全額免稅，支持企業來解決少子化的危機，以上是韓國的政策。 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-30T11:54:30.229000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:54:44.073000+08:00 |
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我們臺灣一樣也有推行很多少子化政策，主要是0到6歲國家一起養的政策，包括有育兒津貼、托育津貼及就學繳費上限。 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-30T11:54:45.074000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:55:00.002000+08:00 |
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基本上，這樣津貼制度是減輕青年人因為生育所造成的負擔，但是看起來韓國政策方向有效，相對地臺灣的政策方向看不到成績。 |
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0.925 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-30T11:55:00.263000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:55:02.164000+08:00 |
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主委，針對這件事經過檢討後，這是為什麼？ |
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0.529 |
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葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-04-30T11:55:02.944000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:55:20.309000+08:00 |
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第一個跟委員報告，最近府院應該會有一個比較更進一步關於0到6歲或甚至0到18歲國家一起養的一系列政策推行出來。 |
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葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-04-30T11:55:20.489000+08:00 |
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整個新政策的方向會跟委員剛剛提到韓國的政策是蠻接近的，比如像擴增男性育嬰假部分，我們原本就有在做了，而且男性…… |
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0.882 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-30T11:55:35.161000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:55:35.781000+08:00 |
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我們現在就已經有了。對。 |
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葉主任委員俊顯 |
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但可能會再擴大實施，就這個部分來講，還有另外一個是我們目前有申請臨時照顧假的話，你原本的工作對於企業來講就沒有人做，所以針對這個部分，我們也在思考怎麼樣讓企業減輕這樣一個負擔，因為畢竟還是要有人來做這件事情，所以可能會有一些做法或者是措施來讓企業比較能夠安心地讓員工申請照顧假，這一系列的政策可能在最近會推出來。 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-30T11:56:15.008000+08:00 |
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會再有後續的政策？會。 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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我希望政策是有效，而且這個政策，我覺得中央不用太擔心，中央政府跟地方政府應該要合作，面對少子化議題也不是只有中央責任，地方也是希望來出一點力。 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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但是我們卻看到有一份公文讓我有點納悶，我剛剛舉了韓國的例子，韓國除了鼓勵企業發放育兒獎勵金外，還給他們免稅，但是看到我們少子化政策，中央發出一份公文說，中央有補助2到6歲的話，如果地方政府也要補助就要就扣減中央對直轄市、縣（市）的相關教育經費補助比率。 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-30T11:57:06.295000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:57:40.742000+08:00 |
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意思就是因應2到6歲幼兒少子化的補助，中央有做了，地方就不准做，我可以理解你們寫的這個理由，你們寫「因地方財力不一，既有補助差異大，相互競逐產生福利遷移……」，意思就是福利比較差的地區，可能小孩就不會在那裡生，就會遷移到別的福利比較好的地方生，你們會擔心這點，但是以我來看，擔心這點是多餘的啦！ |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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因為你看現在有很多地方政府說：中央有普發現金，我們地方也要普發現金。 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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普發現金有的縣市有，有的縣市沒有，沒有的就會被批判或是怎樣的。 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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事實上，我覺得這樣都不好，因為每個縣市都有他們自己的財政能力去做他們可以做到的事情，有的地方政府認為我的財政想要放在少子化政策，我想把資源挹注在這些想要生小孩的爸爸媽媽，再給他們更大的一個誘因。 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-30T11:58:19.341000+08:00 |
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他們竟然選擇要這樣做，照理說，中央鼓勵都來不及了，怎麼會跟他們說，因應少子化政策，地方政府要加碼的話，就要扣減對地方補助的比率。 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-30T11:58:33.710000+08:00 |
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這個是怎樣的邏輯而產生這樣的決定？ |
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0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-04-30T11:58:36.872000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:58:47.840000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，針對這個部分，我會來跟教育部做協調，我會跟部長反映一下，就這個部分到底有沒有再商議的空間？是啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.896 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-30T11:58:48.540000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:59:17.491000+08:00 |
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我有點搞不懂，因為它針對2到6歲，你知道現在很多縣市對於營養午餐的政策都不同調，有的縣市財政能力比較好，營養午餐願意再加碼，所以在2到6歲以外福利的競逐，你們覺得沒有關係，但是2到6歲就不要有福利競逐，我覺得這件事情有點本末倒置了。 |
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0.911 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-30T11:59:17.891000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:59:39.980000+08:00 |
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照理說，如果地方政府有很好的財政能力要大幅鼓勵每個孩子在我這裡生，我給他很好的福利，加碼再加碼，讓他們這樣做也沒關係，讓他們去嘗試看看，尤其有一些想要遷戶籍的，談何容易啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-30T11:59:41.481000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:59:50.288000+08:00 |
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他要遷戶籍也是要有資產，不然你要有其他人願意讓你遷，也不是那麼簡單。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-30T11:59:52.149000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T12:00:10.158000+08:00 |
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地方政府願意做這件事，讓這些年輕人的爸爸媽媽想說：我在這裡生小孩，福利真的很好，就讓他勇敢去嘗試啊，地方政府有這樣的財政能力，就讓他去嘗試，有什麼不好的，好不好？ |
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0.861 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-30T12:00:10.539000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T12:00:11.519000+08:00 |
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這個請你們再思考一下。 |
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0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-04-30T12:00:12.340000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T12:00:15.422000+08:00 |
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好，我會再跟教育部鄭部長討論。 |
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0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-30T12:00:15.422000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T12:00:28.250000+08:00 |
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因為時間到了，我再呼籲一件事，因為臺灣偏鄉的人口減少，當然這跟剛剛提到的少子化一樣，高齡化的部分一樣是要重視。 |
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0.72 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-30T12:00:28.250000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T12:02:30.031000+08:00 |
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現在全國高齡人口比例最高的就是臺北市，第二就是我們嘉義縣，臺北市第一名，我們算第二名，我們看到這些高齡化社會的成因有很多都真的是在於鄉下沒辦法讓年輕人回來住，我說鄉下沒辦法讓年輕人回來住是因為鄉下根本沒地讓年輕人可以回去蓋房子或是有個地方住，他們的土地持分都已經零碎了，要解決這個問題的政策工具就是鄉規（鄉村規劃），既然鄉規這麼重要，我覺得國發會應該更大膽的用預算去協助每個地方政府趕快進行每個村莊的鄉規，看看怎麼讓這些村莊的土地化零為整，趕快讓每個部落都有辦法產生一些建地出來，那些零碎持分的地看要怎麼能夠集合起來，如果能集合起來的話，至少這個村莊也比較能夠活起來，不然我們看到很多，不管是以前叫做極限村還是叫做無子村里，這些名字都不好，不過這些名字已經叫很久了，我記得極限村是從2018年到現在都這樣稱呼的，但看起來就是沒有辦法啊，這種超高齡的村落都沒有規劃，沒有都市計畫、沒有鄉村規劃，土地破碎又零散，這些情況到現在一樣無解，一樣沒有看到政府要怎麼去輔導他們，明明就有一個叫做鄉規的，但是現在有實施鄉規的是少之又少，這件事情國發會要重視，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.729 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-30T12:02:31.032000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T12:02:33.613000+08:00 |
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委員的意見，我再跟劉部長反映，因為這個屬於內政部國土署，我會跟他反映及協調看看要怎麼做。 |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-30T12:02:38.896000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T12:02:53.891000+08:00 |
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沒有啦，其實是散見於各部會啦，這個部分屬於內政部國土署沒錯，不過國發會已經看到了臺灣的這些現狀嘛，國發會就要站在改變這個現狀的立場，當然要叫他們大力去做啊，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.587 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-30T12:02:54.172000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T12:02:56.114000+08:00 |
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我會反映委員的意見。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-30T12:02:56.114000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T12:02:56.774000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝主委。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-30T12:02:57.274000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-30T12:03:02.131143+08:00 |
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謝謝蔡易餘委員，謝謝主委，主委先請回座。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-30T12:03:02.431143+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-30T12:03:06.145429+08:00 |
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陳超明、陳超明，陳超明委員不在。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-04-30T12:03:06.445429+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-30T12:03:08.731143+08:00 |
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請鄭天財委員質詢。 |
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0 |