| IVOD_ID |
169025 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169025 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-30T11:17:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-30T11:26:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b51b6e95b687bd8e1dfc855edc607f534094fdde23d63da523be77335660865bbecabc25a29024875ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:17:46 - 11:26:59 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-30T10:10:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院歲入預算第5款第1項第2目暨國家發展委員會及所屬單位預算部分。
二、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於行政院主管：行政院國家發展基金、離島建設基金、花東地區永續發展基金及促進轉型正義基金。(詢答)
【4月29日及4月30日二天一次會】） |
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消費資金請謝一芬委員好謝謝主席我想要請葉主委請國務卿 葉主委 |
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議員早 葉主委早安我想請教一下 你說要在2024年讓台灣的AI實力進入前五名我想請教我們現階段排名是第幾名我們目前是16 2025年我們希望2040年可以達到前五會不會定太遠了 |
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那我們有每一年都有KPI 譬如說像2028的話我們希望到142032希望到第7這樣204年我們都不知道在哪裡了我們那邊2028 14 2034 10你也不會當國發會主委是不是你總要定一個可看到的那個目標像2028就是前14那2034前10那2040就是前5這樣子 |
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對你都定在2040年那你希望說創下15兆的產值但是我看到了你115年度促進產業發展的預算比上年度卻少了700萬為什麼那你們的AI新十大建設的這個研發跟場域的需求是不是 |
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沒有辦法趕上這個你們預設的目標那怎麼樣子確保你們能夠有效的驅動民間的這個投資在這邊也要麻煩委員就是多多支持我們的預算因為那個七百萬是貴會把我們刪掉那我們今年有再把它加回來那所以就希望說委員就是就這個部分來講可以多多支持我們的預算讓我們有足夠的資源為什麼刪掉 為什麼被刪掉因為去年的不夠那個 |
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不夠吸引人 你今年有沒有更吸引人的他那個就科技計畫審查的時候就刪掉對 因為去年原因我不是很清楚這樣子不好意思所以就是你們那時候沒有堅持嘛 那個委員會就把你們刪掉了嘛 對不對應該是有堅持啊 只是 |
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我們會想辦法把這個部分再補上來這樣子好那我想要再請教你喔就是保險業的資金投入公共建設的意願喔還是沒有很高那雖然說我也除了問你以外我也問了財政部莊部長等等他們對於相關的這樣的案源其實是有限的那我想請問 |
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還有一個部分就是在於證券化資產證券化的部分那你們法治化的時程是怎麼樣?瑞慈是金管會在負責的那不是你們嗎?你們不是管考的所以那是金管會的部分是不是?那希望說你們能夠因為其實你們是主責的單位嘛對不對?你們是主責的單位那金管會的時程是如何?你們有沒有 |
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你們有沒有那個管控?瑞士已經送到立法院在審議中嘛那其實我們三個部會是共同合作的我知道 所以你們是主管的嘛對不對 主管的我們也同時會督促金管會這個案子要努力推這樣子所以已經送到立法院了那為什麼 現在有什麼樣的困難? |
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在推動上面很抱歉在問金管會因為金管會在主責推這個政策你們是主責的因為所有的案子都是要從你們通過以後才能向下是不是那你們都沒有現在我問你你都不知道然後就丟給金管會不是 |
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是不是 你要了解那不然怎麼阻擇那怎麼樣子控管你們是主要的控管的嘛那為什麼推不動當你推不動的時候我們保險業的資金就沒有辦法回到台灣嘛 |
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這是很明顯的問題嘛你如果國內沒有一個可以投資的這個標的的時候那就會導致保險業的資金沒有辦法回到台灣那我現在問你好幾個問題好像你們都把目標放得很遠那 |
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大家都沒有辦法看到就是說目前你們做的項目跟未來的目標有什麼一致性那這個東西而且既然沒有一致性的情況下你們就能只能夠沿襲舊的這樣子對於未來整體政策發展性沒有一個注意啊是不是 |
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跟委員報告其實我們最近都嘗試跟財政部還有速發部去商討就是說怎麼樣把數位基礎建設把它納入到兆元投資方案裡面那這個是我們的第一步那剛剛委員提到那個Rates這個部分我們後續會持續在跟金管會討論說怎麼樣讓它再變化 |
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主委你要注意一下好不好這個議題已經討論很久了那你如果沒有控管這個問題的話那對於所有不管是保險業的資金怎麼樣回到台灣怎麼樣可以投資台灣的基礎建設 |
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那如果沒有回到台灣的時候你這法制化的程序沒有做好的時候他們的錢就沒有辦法回到台灣那這樣子沒有辦法促進台灣整體的基礎建設的發展是不是還有我想請問一下就是國內的AI人才你說了是到2028年的缺口是35萬人對嗎 |
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我想請問因為我們過去已經修了外國專業人才延奶及僱傭法就這個部分目前實施的情況對於我們國內僑外生留台從事AI的研發的情況有什麼注意 |
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喬外森、劉台從事AI這個部分的話我們會會後會再提供給委員那就AI人才這個部分來講的話我們在國外這一塊會比較著重在覽財這一塊所以我們今年大概會有兩波比較大規模的統合各個部會去美國去招攬AI人才那七月會有一波十月會有一波這樣子 |
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我說目前我們招攬那個攬才的部分情況如何目前的話就就外國專業人才這個部分的話大概目前為止會有8萬 |
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有八萬人到台灣就AI部分所有所有所有的部分那我想要請問一下因為現在就是說不管是大學我那天問了教育部長他說到了大學的AI師資也欠缺那其實我面臨到就是說彰化縣裡面中小學的這個AI的師資也欠缺 |
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這是一個源頭的問題那是不是能夠讓這個國外懶才的這些專業人士也能進到大專或者是就是高中小的學校來進行任職就是就AI的部分呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
473.101 |
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502.047 |
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這個部分我會再跟政部長討論因為我們定期都會有所謂的人才雙首長會議那我會跟他討論說怎麼樣因為他是說我那天在院會問過他他是說沒有相關的疑義但是就是說外國的人就是說專業人才就是有業界教師的這個問題在大學部分沒有疑義那國中小會比較很麻煩因為他要有一定的教師資格 |
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是啊 所以這個部分怎麼樣處理因為這一個部分也會牽扯到就是說我們去年剛通過的那個攬財專法那攬財專法其實有一部分要移到今年的下半年才會實施那個部分的話會牽扯到就是說類似像AI這種特殊教師我們怎麼樣在法規上面能夠讓他們能夠順利進來 順利落地這樣子 |
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526.64 |
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對那我希望說我們我們現在不求就是說我們不求都是吃米其林啦不一定都是就是說最高端的人才但是必須要有實務經驗以及能夠傳承技術給目前我們的大學還有希望說能夠向上向下延伸到我們的高中小好不好好好謝謝好謝謝委員好謝謝謝謝委員主委先回座那夏威夷子 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-04-30T11:17:58.190000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-04-30T11:17:59.251000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
謝謝主席，我想要請葉主委。 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-30T11:17:59.411000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-04-30T11:17:59.791000+08:00 |
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請國發會葉主委。 |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-04-30T11:18:07.119000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-04-30T11:18:07.119000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
委員早。 |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-04-30T11:18:07.979000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-04-30T11:18:08.460000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
葉主委早安。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-04-30T11:18:09.340000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:18:21.245000+08:00 |
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我想請教一下，就是你說要在2040年讓臺灣的AI實力進入前5名，我想請教，我們現階段排名是第幾名？ |
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0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-04-30T11:18:22.146000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-04-30T11:18:22.886000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
我們2025年是16……16。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-04-30T11:18:25.867000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-04-30T11:18:27.988000+08:00 |
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我們希望2040年可以達到前5。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-04-30T11:18:29.249000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-04-30T11:18:29.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
會不會訂太遠了？ |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-04-30T11:18:31.311000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-04-30T11:18:38.394000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
我們每一年都有KPI，譬如2028年我們希望到14，2032年希望到第7……對呀！ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-04-30T11:18:38.575000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-04-30T11:18:39.855000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
2040年我們都不知道在哪裡了…… |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-04-30T11:18:39.855000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-04-30T11:18:40.855000+08:00 |
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有，2028年是14，2030年是10。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-04-30T11:18:40.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-30T11:18:40.896000+08:00 |
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你說不定也不會是國發會主委，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-30T11:18:41.016000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-30T11:18:41.516000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
你總要訂一個可看到的目標。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-30T11:18:41.516000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-30T11:18:43.097000+08:00 |
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有，我們都有，像2028年就是前14，2030年是前10，2040年就是前5。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.471 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-30T11:18:55.177000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-30T11:19:08.725000+08:00 |
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對，你都訂在2040年，你希望創下15兆的產值，但是我看到你115年度促進產業發展的預算比上年度卻少了700萬，為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-30T11:19:09.165000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-30T11:19:20.552000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
還有你們AI新十大建設的研發及場域的需求是不是沒有辦法趕上你們預設的目標？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-30T11:19:20.953000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-04-30T11:19:26.997000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
怎麼樣確保你們能夠有效驅動民間的投資？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-30T11:19:26.997000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-30T11:19:41.528000+08:00 |
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在這邊也要麻煩委員，就是多多支持我們的預算，因為那個700萬是貴會刪掉的，我們今年有再把它加回來，所以希望委員就這個部分可以多多支持我們的預算，讓我們有足夠的資源…… |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.986 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-30T11:19:41.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-30T11:19:43.049000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
為什麼被刪掉？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-30T11:19:43.670000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-30T11:19:48.113000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
因為去年的不夠吸引人，你今年有沒有更吸引人的？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-30T11:19:50.795000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-30T11:19:59.763000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
那個在科技計畫審查的時候就刪掉了，去年的原因，我不是很清楚，不好意思！ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-30T11:20:00.564000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-30T11:20:08.611000+08:00 |
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所以你們那時候沒有堅持，委員會就把你們刪掉了，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-30T11:20:08.611000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-30T11:20:16.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
應該是有堅持，我們會想辦法把這個部分再補上來，謝謝委員關心。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-30T11:20:18.399000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-30T11:20:39.853000+08:00 |
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我想要再請教你，保險業資金投入公共建設的意願還是沒有很高，除了問你以外，我也問了財政部莊部長等等，他們表示相關的案源其實是有限的。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-30T11:20:42.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-30T11:20:52.020000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
還有一個是資產證券化的部分，你們法制化的時程是怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
陳處長美菊 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-30T11:20:52.380000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-30T11:20:53.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
REIT是金管會在負責的。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-30T11:20:54.441000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-30T11:20:55.401000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
那個不是你們嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-30T11:20:55.401000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-30T11:20:56.442000+08:00 |
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你們不是管考的？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
陳處長美菊 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-30T11:20:56.442000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-30T11:20:57.442000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
不是，那是金管會。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-30T11:20:57.002000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-30T11:20:59.363000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
所以那是金管會的部分，是不是？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-30T11:21:02.365000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-30T11:21:13.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
因為其實你們是主責單位，金管會的時程是如何，你們有沒有管控？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
陳處長美菊 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-30T11:21:14.971000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-30T11:21:19.976000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
REIT已經送到立法院在審議中，其實我們三個部會是共同合作的。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.862 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-30T11:21:19.996000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-30T11:21:22.618000+08:00 |
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我知道，所以你們是主管的，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
陳處長美菊 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-30T11:21:23.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-30T11:21:27.463000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
我們也同時會督促金管會這個案子要努力推。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-30T11:21:28.264000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-30T11:21:29.765000+08:00 |
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所以已經送到立法院了？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-30T11:21:31.106000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-30T11:21:32.608000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
現在在推動上面有什麼樣的困難？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
陳處長美菊 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-30T11:21:36.936000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-30T11:21:39.798000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
很抱歉，這個要問金管會，因為金管會在主責推動這個政策。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-30T11:21:40.218000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-30T11:21:46.323000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
你們是主責的單位，所有的案子都是要你們通過以後才能向下，是不是？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-30T11:21:48.724000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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2026-04-30T11:21:57.392000+08:00 |
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現在我問你，你都不知道，然後就把問題丟給金管會，你是不是要了解，不然怎麼主責、怎麼控管？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-30T11:21:57.973000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-30T11:22:02.317000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
你們是主要控管的單位，為什麼推不動？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-30T11:22:02.317000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-30T11:22:20.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
當你推不動的時候，我們保險業的資金就沒有辦法回到臺灣，這是很明顯的問題，如果國內沒有一個可以投資的標的，就會導致保險業的資金沒有辦法回到臺灣。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-30T11:22:20.688000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-30T11:22:46.945000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
我現在問你好幾個問題，你們好像都把目標放得很遠，大家都沒有辦法看到目前你們做的項目與未來目標有什麼一致性，而且既然沒有一致性的情況下，你們就只能夠沿襲舊的，這樣對於未來整體政策發展性沒有助益，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-30T11:22:47.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-30T11:23:02.034000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
跟委員報告，其實我們最近都有嘗試跟財政部以及數發部商討，怎麼樣把數位基礎建設納入到兆元投資方案裡面，這個是我們的第一步。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-30T11:23:02.814000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-30T11:23:07.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
剛剛委員提到的REIT部分，我們後續會持續再跟金管會討論怎麼樣讓它證券化。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-30T11:23:09.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-30T11:23:12.822000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
主委，你要注意一下，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-30T11:23:12.822000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-30T11:23:13.822000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
好，沒問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-30T11:23:13.002000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-30T11:23:41.407000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
這個議題已經討論很久了，如果你沒有控管這個問題的話，保險業的資金怎麼回到臺灣、怎麼投資臺灣的基礎建設，如果法制化的程序沒有做好的話，他們的資金就沒有辦法回到臺灣，這樣就沒有辦法促進臺灣整體的基礎建設發展，是不是？理解。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-30T11:23:42.308000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-30T11:23:50.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
還有關於國內的AI人才，你說到2028年的缺口是35萬人，對吧？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-30T11:23:53.675000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-30T11:24:16.426000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
因為我們過去已經修了外國專業人才延攬及僱用法，就這個部分目前實施的情況，對於國內僑外生留臺從事AI研發的情況有什麼助益？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-30T11:24:18.146000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-30T11:24:41.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
僑外生留臺從事AI的部分，我們會後再提供給委員，就AI人才部分來講，我們在國外會比較著重在攬才這一塊，所以我們今年大概會有兩波比較大規模的，統合各個部會去美國招攬AI人才，7月會有一波，10月會有一波。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-30T11:24:43.296000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-30T11:24:46.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
目前我們攬才的情況如何？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-30T11:24:48.758000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-30T11:24:55.101000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
就外國專業人才部分，目前為止會有8萬人。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-30T11:24:56.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-30T11:24:59.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
有8萬人到臺灣，就AI的部分？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-30T11:25:00.322000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-30T11:25:00.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
所有的。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-30T11:25:01.203000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-30T11:25:01.863000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
所有的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-30T11:25:04.605000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-30T11:25:38.401000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
因為現在不管是大學，我那天問了教育部長，他提到大學的AI師資也欠缺，其實彰化縣的中小學也面臨到AI師資的欠缺，這是一個源頭的問題，是不是能夠讓國外攬才的這些專業人士也能進到大專或是高中小的學校進行任職，就AI的部分？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.891 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-30T11:25:39.101000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-30T11:25:48.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
這個部分我會再跟鄭部長討論，因為我們定期都會有所謂的人才雙首長會議，我會跟他討論怎麼把國外人才引進。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.83 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-30T11:25:48.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-30T11:26:03.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
因為我那天在院會問過他，他是說沒有相關的疑義，外國專業人才擔任業界教師這個問題在大學部分沒有疑義。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-30T11:26:04.266000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-30T11:26:09.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
在國中小會比較麻煩，因為他要有一定的教師資格。是啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-30T11:26:09.247000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-30T11:26:10.408000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
所以這個部分怎麼樣處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-30T11:26:10.868000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-30T11:26:29.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
因為這個部分也會牽扯到我們去年剛通過的攬才專法，其中有一部分要移到今年的下半年才會實施，那一個部分就會牽扯到類似AI這種特殊教師，我們怎麼樣在法規上面能夠讓他們順利進來、順利落地。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-30T11:26:32.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-30T11:26:55.178000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
對，我們現在不求都是吃米其林，不一定都是最高端的人才，但是必須要有實務經驗，以及能夠傳承技術給目前我們的大學，還有希望能夠向下延伸到我們的高中小，好不好？好。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-30T11:26:55.579000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-30T11:26:57.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-30T11:26:57.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-30T11:26:58.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
謝謝謝衣鳯委員，主委先回座。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-30T11:26:59.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-30T11:27:02.623857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
下一位請邱議瑩委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0 |