| IVOD_ID |
169020 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169020 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-30T10:53:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-30T11:07:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:56 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b51b6e95b687bd8e012714809af12e36691b8901a2eb750d23be77335660865bdff3bbbc96e0e24c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:53:07 - 11:07:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於法務部及所屬主管收支部分。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於法務部主管「法務部矯正機關作業基金」收支部分。
三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於法務部主管「毒品防制基金」收支部分。
四、審查法務部函送財團法人臺灣更生保護會、財團法人福建更生保護會及財團法人犯罪被害人保護協會115年度預算書案。
【僅進行詢答；預算提案於5月14日下午2時截止收件】） |
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好 主席謝謝 麻煩請鄭部長好 有請鄭部長委員好好 鄭部長 鄭部長我想剛剛賴思寶委員他是財經財政專業資深委員所以說其實點出來這個預算的使用的部分 |
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確實啊那個兩公約我們這邊有了解是說在四年一次的這個開會那這一次其實除了主要會議服務有八百多萬以外是不是還有包括說審查的出席費用以及機票費用都是我們這邊來出這部分我要請那個誰來好簡單講所以我們總共出多少錢所有的預算所有的預算包括場地費租借費以及出席費等等大概將近一千萬一千萬左右 |
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1142萬嘛對不對10201020好還有包括因為有包括審查出席費以及機票費用這個是法務部給我的資料嘛是但本時要講的是啊這就凸顯了一個什麼問題就是說如果剛剛法務部講的是這是編列在一般行政業務費下的預算來做支用的話那是什麼那就代表說過去四年才辦一次那剩下三年咧沒有這一個業務所以這1000多萬其實是撫編啊 |
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你一般業務你一般業務你如果說依照你們剛剛的講法這樣子的話一般行政下面一千多萬三年都用不到這一筆錢啊你等於是匡列多這一筆錢啊不然你沒有餘餘額可以這樣用那如果說這個是一個新興計畫的話照理講你在立法院還沒有三讀通過之前預算還沒有審查之前他是不能致用的那不管怎麼樣本席只想強調 |
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該用的錢要花在刀口上不會要馬而不吃草但是很多的民間團體其實也有跟本席跟很多意見反應就是說這一些所謂的專家學者他們來到底跟我們國情符不符合以及他們講的部分譬如說很多人那些專家學的名單其實也都是所謂的廢食廢食委員廢食專家廢食學者但台灣就不是這樣子啊 |
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國情85%都是反廢死的時候結果我們每四年一次請他們來花一千多萬人民的納稅錢吃好住好不要講吃香喝辣啦但吃好住好是事實啊住五星級飯店是事實啊那結果用了這一些預算然後結果民進黨政府在過去總預算沒有通過的時候不想辦的業務就說沒錢就說立法院沒有三讀想辦的業務像這種要邀請廢死專家學者來台灣的一千多萬 |
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一般行政就擠得出來我覺得這其實是蠻離譜的事情來 部長不過本席今天還是要針對法務部整體年度的預算來做討論 |
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我看到幾個部分你自己也講到說打詐其實非常重要本期在上個禮拜也在立法院感謝我們所有立法院委員以及韓國瑜院長都共同出席我成立一個全球打詐的促進會那其實韓院長他自己也提到就是說詐騙真的還是猖獗尤其是像去年高達20萬件的詐騙數以及高達900億的財損 |
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那我成立這個所謂的全球打詐促進研究對策促進會其實想的是什麼我們不要閉門造區所以新加坡有用邊形打詐這是一個辦法我沒有說一定要所以我們現在也提出說用公投的方式就是說讓人民來決定說你願不願意我們有更積極的態度但除此之外有沒有看過最近在LINE上面其實已經傳了快半年了我相信很多在座應該都有收到泰國 |
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他們有新的打詐的對策是什麼是他們認為如果說你真的有被電信詐騙的話其實銀行端有責任通訊端有責任因為你怎麼會運用這樣的一個服務讓詐騙集團來使用到最後詐騙那你這一些金手的金流單位或金手的電信單位都沒有責任所以可以協助被害者來跟銀行端或是電信端來做球場 |
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我想請教一下兩個部分因為這個是網路上的影片很多人傳給我那我想請教法務部有沒有針對去了解研究這是不是泰國真的政策以及他們怎麼做能夠做到這一點那還有我們能不能參考這個方向來去讓更多人有一些責任進一步不會每個人都變成是這些大公司不會變成是詐騙集團的幫兇部長 |
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你有沒有看過這個影片現在還要還是本席以後需要把那個放出來讓大家看一下因為我想LINE上面已經傳蠻多的我已經接收到至少這部分我們再來了解那個有關泰國的一個做法那也就是說是不是銀行端的也要跟那個一個要負一些的民事的譬如說連帶的一個責任這部分我們再來跟金管會我們再來做一個所以部長有沒有看到這個影片 |
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這部份我是沒有真的沒有看過我們有沒有同仁看過這影片不會都沒有吧我們再來瞭解還是說我們再來瞭解本席不怪你因為今天我沒有請同仁準備這樣的一個PowerPoint但是本席本來以為是這個已經傳到Line上面很多人都在轉傳然後網路上已經討論非常多甚至他回想得非常好是因為他認為我簡單講 |
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30秒就是說被害者他會被被害的時候被詐騙的時候很多人都講說你就是貪心啦你就是想多啦那可是實際上為什麼被害者會被詐騙集團相信是因為詐騙集團清楚明白講出他的個資 |
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你爸爸叫什麼名字媽媽叫什麼名字你戶籍地址在哪裡也因此被害者就相信詐騙集團是真正的銀行然後才有後續的金流等等的部分那所以第一為什麼個資會流出以及銀行有沒有做一些相關把關或說電信業者有沒有在這個中間過程裡面來協助防範 |
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那這些泰國影片上面講是說泰國把這都變成是相關希望大家能夠負起相關責任那我們就想如果說泰國能夠這樣做他們一定也是三獨立法通過才會有法源依據才能夠有法律來去做執行那我們能不能去研究一下人家怎麼做這樣有沒有成效以及我們能不能在國內也來推動 |
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謝謝委員 事實上委員提的就是新加坡其實有關於銀行跟平台分擔賠償責任的部分那這部分是有這樣的新加坡也有 是那這部分我們所以這不是因為台高檢這部分但泰國也有平台的一個有一個聯繫跟各部會的跨部會的一個平台我是不是請那個張台高檢張檢察來做一個 |
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沒有啦 這也不用說明看起來我目前還沒有去研究嘛我們這邊去了解一下透過我們的平台去跟新加坡去跟泰國政府了解一下你們現在怎麼做然後做的成效怎麼樣那當初有沒有人反對我相信第一個反對一定是銀行嘛他覺得說 |
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會不會增加我的責任但是銀行如果說他要賺我們人民消費者的錢我錢存在你這邊你總是也要不能那麼容易的就被詐騙集團把我的錢轉走我們那個本來台高檢有一個平台這也跟金融機構還有電信業者他們有一個聯繫的機制那我想把委員這個問題我們會反映出來但是不能只是問 |
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金融機構或是電信業者的意見因為如果說你問他意見那不是電信業者 這個是主管機關這跨部會的一個聯繫的我覺得相信他們多一次不如少一次啊所以我要的是 不是部長您先聽我說我要的是說我們先來了解到底別的國家怎麼做以及有沒有成效 |
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有成效我們來學習沒成效我們不一定或是說他做了之後根本沒有效果那我們不用跟進但我覺得最基本是至少去了解人家這也是為什麼我會說全球打詐對策促進會最主要用意就是詐騙不是現在是國際化詐騙不是台灣的問題詐騙是全世界的問題 |
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各國政府有不同的國情跟不同的積極度以及不同的反應 能去針對詐騙集團我們能夠做的 除了我們現在做以外我們也參考別人做得不錯的 我們學習做得不好的 我們警惕 避免我們犯錯那這部分我們會蒐集蒐集 那這樣子多久時間能夠給我們相關資料 |
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三個月 一個月 三個月感謝我們很積極認識我本來以為是三個月才有辦法但是你現在講一個月那就一個月了那我們就來再盡快啦好 因為現在人家已經在做了所以我覺得要這相關資料這是官方跟官方比較能夠直接要這些資料有些時候立法委員我們要去跟別國政府還是真的有一定的難度好 那最後啊 部長 |
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詐騙真的還是儘管你們的數據表格講的我都肯定第一線的同仁甚至檢察官我知道都有很多人想要離開就是因為詐騙案太多所以負荷不了基層員警也很辛苦但詐騙到目前為止我不敢講說我們的成績真的很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
585.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
596.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
你今天晚上還要去宣傳我們的打炸成效這個一定要去做一個還要去宣傳我們的電子煙成效我們一定要做一個法律宣導我先請教一下是球團邀請你還是我們法務部主動本來就是有一個聯繫的一個基礎所以是誰主動嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
604.777 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
622.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
這本來就是我們就一個聯繫的就是我們跟檢察機關跟球團這部分我們本來長久就有一個聯繫的機制了所以聯繫包括說每個球季要安排法務部長開球一天因為我想我們要不是炸 打炸 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
623.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
640.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
還有反會選的一個宣導我相信要走向更多跟民眾可以接觸的宣傳為什麼沒有意見今天重點是今天有沒有看到網路上有球迷的爭議我相信你應該有看到剛好像中壢省委員有詢問但本席現在站一個比較持平的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
641.115 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
655.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
我真的比較持平我是兄弟匠名大家都知道我寧願用一個比較持平的立場就是說第一如果說今天真的大家做得很好或是說今天業務都做得欣欣向榮無傷大雅你來開個球然後能夠幫兄弟像今天贏球但是如果說今天是我們業務都還沒有做得很好然後結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
664.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
678.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
那你只要先跟我講到底是我們法務部主動要求說欸 部長不錯的來安排這個開球還是說球團就說拜託請部長來到底是誰我想這個是長久以來的一個合作的機制啦連這個都沒有辦法部長本席這樣真的沒有辦法接受我這苦笑啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
687.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
712.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
我真的強調我寧願站在一個比較持平的立場就如果說我們今天能夠鼓勵我們的同仁大家努力看球多一點人來看球總統也有開過球啊國民黨民進黨的政治人物縣市首長也有開過球但是我現在強調的是為什麼今天就是您去被很多的球迷在問而且下面留言 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
712.915 |
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740.311 |
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那大家主要是什麼大家就認為是說你今天名目第一也不是運動部突然法務部那法務部來然後說開球然後說我們要宣傳打炸跟宣傳電子煙禁止電子煙然後到最後我們現在在問的是說到底是法務部主動說部長不錯我們來開個球還是說球團邀請說部長德高望重我們請他來那連這個都沒有辦法講清楚那我更懷疑說是不是還是有預算配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
743.359 |
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762.137 |
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我們在透過那個一個平台聯繫的那個哪一個平台那麼好可以聯繫安排檢查機關開球團事實上都是有一個聯繫的機制所以會安排這樣我們來做一個更大規模的一個一個反匯反毒的宣導我想委員應該你應該會支持我們打炸要全民一起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
762.737 |
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那如果說有球團我支持全民一起來但是我看不懂說你丟一顆球跟我們打仗什麼丟一顆球之後詐騙集團瞬間就害怕了就消失了我沒有要丟球我們是做一個擺攤位我們是做一個你不是今天要去開球嗎我沒有我沒有我沒有要開球現在沒有要開球了本來就沒有安排開球 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
780.669 |
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790.783 |
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是上一次開球嘛對不對那球團昨天在被罵到現在我沒有要開球本來就規劃我們兄弟向的粉絲專頁上面就講說是開球貴賓啊那個開球貴賓 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
793.829 |
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818.681 |
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只有致詞 我是做一個致詞致詞所以你去講 公開講個話詐騙集團就害怕就好啦 部長部長 這個我整體的發言好我整體的發言我只想要跟您說的是我都肯定基層的同仁的辛苦但是上位者真的拜託把心思放在我們的本業務業務做得好自然立法院會支持這個訪會選先導我部長來帶頭來做一個訪會 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
822.614 |
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| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
緩毒跟打詐的一個宣導我想這個是一個大家一起來這個就是應該業務做得好立法院支持但如果說是一些業外業務真的我覺得我還是建議盡量避免盡量避免好不好謝謝 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-04-30T10:53:18.731000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-04-30T10:53:19.292000+08:00 |
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主席，謝謝，麻煩請鄭部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-04-30T10:53:19.312000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-04-30T10:53:19.352000+08:00 |
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有請鄭部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-04-30T10:53:19.352000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-04-30T10:53:19.472000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-04-30T10:53:19.652000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-04-30T10:53:19.672000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
部長好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-04-30T10:53:19.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-04-30T10:53:21.434000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
賴士葆委員是財政委員會的專業、資深委員，所以他點出預算使用的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.767 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-04-30T10:53:37.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-04-30T10:53:49.184000+08:00 |
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我們瞭解兩公約有四年一次的會議，這一次其實除了主要會議服務八百多萬元以外，是不是包括審查的出席費和機票費都是我們這邊來出？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.879 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-04-30T10:53:49.925000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-04-30T10:53:50.465000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
這部分我請…… |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-04-30T10:53:50.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-04-30T10:53:51.765000+08:00 |
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好，簡單講。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-04-30T10:53:51.765000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-04-30T10:53:54.145000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
所以我們總共出多少錢？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
張司長介欽 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-04-30T10:53:55.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-04-30T10:54:01.567000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
所有的預算包括場地費、租借費以及出席費等等，大概在1,000萬元左右。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-04-30T10:54:03.768000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-04-30T10:54:03.768000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
1,142萬元嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-04-30T10:54:04.209000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-30T10:54:06.751000+08:00 |
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對不對？1,020。好，1,020。 |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-30T10:54:07.691000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-30T10:54:11.354000+08:00 |
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其中包括審查費、出席費以及機票費，這是法務部給我的資料。是。 |
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0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-30T10:54:11.675000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-30T10:54:15.178000+08:00 |
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本席要講的是，這就凸顯了一個什麼問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-30T10:54:15.798000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-30T10:54:29.830000+08:00 |
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如果剛剛法務部說這是編列在「一般行政」業務費下的預算來做支用的話，那就代表過去是四年才辦一次，那剩下的三年就沒有這個業務，所以這一千多萬元其實是浮編！ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.884 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-30T10:54:35.413000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-30T10:54:45.998000+08:00 |
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如果依照你們剛剛的講法，一般行政下面一千多萬元，三年都用不到這筆錢，你們等於是多匡列了這筆錢，不然你們沒有餘額可以這樣用。 |
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0.911 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-30T10:54:46.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-04-30T10:54:54.281000+08:00 |
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如果這是一個新興計畫的話，照理講，在立法院還沒有三讀通過、預算還沒有審查之前，它是不能支用的。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-30T10:54:55.322000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-30T10:55:02.065000+08:00 |
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不管怎麼樣，本席只想強調，該用的錢要花在刀口上，不會既要馬兒好，又要馬兒不吃草。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-30T10:55:02.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-30T10:55:23.517000+08:00 |
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但是很多民間團體其實也有跟本席反映很多意見，就是這些所謂的專家學者他們來，到底跟我們的國情是否符合，以及他們講的部分，譬如說那些專家學者當中，很多也都是所謂的廢死委員、廢死專家、廢死學者，但臺灣就不是這樣子啊！ |
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0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-30T10:55:24.834000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-30T10:55:36.702000+08:00 |
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當國情85%都反廢死的時候，結果每四年一次請他們來，花一千多萬元的人民納稅錢，讓他們吃好住好，不要講吃香喝辣，但吃好住好是事實啊！ |
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0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-30T10:55:37.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-30T10:55:38.543000+08:00 |
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住五星級飯店是事實啊！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-30T10:55:40.285000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-30T10:55:58.639000+08:00 |
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用了這些預算，結果民進黨政府在過去總預算沒有通過的時候，不想辦的業務就說沒錢、就說立法院沒有三讀，想辦的業務，像這種要邀請廢死專家學者來臺灣的一千多萬元，在「一般行政」當中就擠得出來！ |
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0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-30T10:55:58.639000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-30T10:56:00.241000+08:00 |
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我覺得這其實是滿離譜的事情！ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-30T10:56:01.543000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-30T10:56:06.149000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
部長，本席今天還是要針對法務部整體的年度預算來做討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-30T10:56:08.649000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-30T10:56:26.534000+08:00 |
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有幾個部分，你自己講到打詐非常重要，本席上個禮拜也在立法院……感謝所有立法委員以及韓國瑜院長都共同出席我成立的全球打詐促進會，韓院長也提到詐騙真的還很猖獗，尤其是像去年有高達20萬件的詐騙數以及高達900億的財損。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-30T10:56:33.155000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-30T10:56:51.018000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
我成立這個全球打詐研究對策促進會，想的其實是我們不要閉門造車，所以新加坡用鞭刑打詐，這是一個辦法，我沒有說一定要，所以也提出用公投的方式讓人民來決定是否願意我們有更積極的態度。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-30T10:56:51.558000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-30T10:56:56.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
除此之外，部長有沒有看過在LINE上面已經傳了快半年的一部影片？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.767 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-30T10:56:56.859000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-30T10:56:58.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
我相信在座很多人應該都有收到。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-30T10:56:59.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-30T10:57:03.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
泰國新的打詐對策是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-30T10:57:03.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-30T10:57:20.944000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
他們認為如果你真的有被電信詐騙的話，其實銀行端有責任、通訊端也有責任，因為你怎麼會運用這樣的一個服務，讓詐騙集團來使用，到最後詐騙成功，而這些經手的金流單位或電信單位都沒有責任呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.928 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-30T10:57:21.424000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-30T10:57:25.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
所以可以協助被害者來跟銀行端或電信端求償。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-30T10:57:26.665000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-30T10:57:39.216000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
我想請教一下兩個部分，因為這是網路上的影片，很多人傳給我，請問法務部有沒有去瞭解、研究這是不是泰國真正的政策，以及他們怎麼樣能夠做到這一點？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-30T10:57:39.496000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-30T10:57:49.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
還有，我們能不能參考這個方向，讓更多人有一些責任，進一步不會讓這些大公司變成詐騙集團的幫凶？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-30T10:57:49.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-30T10:57:56.504000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
部長，你有沒有看過這個影片？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-30T10:57:58.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-30T10:58:01.767000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
還是本席以後需要把它放出來讓大家看一下？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-30T10:58:02.347000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-30T10:58:06.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
LINE上面已經傳得滿多的，我已經接收到至少…… |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-30T10:58:06.030000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-30T10:58:17.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
這部分我們再來瞭解有關泰國的做法，是不是銀行端也要負一些民事的譬如說連帶責任？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.973 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-30T10:58:17.737000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-30T10:58:20.519000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
這部分我們再跟金管會來做…… |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-30T10:58:22.380000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-30T10:58:23.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
部長有沒有看過這個影片？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-30T10:58:24.101000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-30T10:58:25.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
我沒有這部分的資料。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-30T10:58:25.342000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-30T10:58:26.082000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
沒有看過！ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-30T10:58:26.383000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-30T10:58:27.383000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
有沒有同仁看過這個影片？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-30T10:58:28.724000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-30T10:58:29.304000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
不會都沒有吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-30T10:58:31.366000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-30T10:58:33.067000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
我們再來瞭解。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-30T10:58:33.447000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-30T10:58:46.475000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
本席不怪你，因為今天我沒有請同仁準備這樣的PowerPoint，但是本席本來以為這已經傳到LINE上面，很多人都在轉傳，網路上已經討論非常多，甚至迴響非常好。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-30T10:58:46.975000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-30T10:59:16.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
我簡單講，被害者會被害、被詐騙，很多人都會說是因為他貪心或想太多，可是實際上為什麼被害者會相信詐騙集團，是因為詐騙集團清楚明白地講出他的個資，譬如他爸爸叫什麼名字、媽媽叫什麼名字、他的戶籍地址在哪裡，因此被害者就相信詐騙集團是真正的銀行，然後才有後續的金流等等。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.758 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-30T10:59:17.883000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-30T10:59:19.925000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
所以第一，為什麼個資會流出？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-30T10:59:21.266000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-30T10:59:22.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
銀行有沒有做相關的把關？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-30T10:59:22.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-30T10:59:25.249000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
或者是電信業者有沒有在相關過程裡面協助防範？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-30T10:59:29.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-30T10:59:35.352000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
影片上面是說，泰國把這些都變成是相關的，希望大家能夠負起相關責任。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-30T10:59:36.413000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-30T10:59:52.856000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
所以我們就想，如果泰國能夠這樣做，他們一定也是三讀立法通過才會有法源依據，才能夠有法律可據以執行，那麼我們能不能去研究一下人家是怎麼做的，這樣有沒有成效，以及我們是不是也能在國內推動？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.859 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-30T10:59:55.035000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-30T11:00:02.502000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
謝謝委員，委員提的其實就是有關於新加坡銀行跟平臺分擔賠償責任的部分，這部分是有這樣的…… |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-30T11:00:02.742000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-30T11:00:03.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
新加坡也有？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-30T11:00:04.584000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-30T11:00:05.485000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
有，這部分我們…… |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-30T11:00:05.485000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-30T11:00:05.865000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
所以這不是單單泰國有，新加坡也有…… |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-30T11:00:06.025000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-30T11:00:14.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
因為臺高檢針對這部分有一個跨部會的聯繫平臺，我是不是請臺高檢張檢察長來簡單說明？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.763 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-30T11:00:19.286000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-30T11:00:22.528000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
這不用說明，看起來就是我們目前還沒有去研究嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-30T11:00:23.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-30T11:00:29.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
你們是不是去了解一下，透過我們的平臺去跟新加坡及泰國政府了解一下他們現在怎麼做、做的成效怎麼樣、當初有沒有人反對？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.887 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-30T11:00:29.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-30T11:00:46.943000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
我相信第一個反對的一定是銀行，因為他會覺得這部分會不會增加他的責任，但是銀行如果要賺消費者的錢，我把錢存在他那邊，他總是要設法不能讓詐騙集團那麼容易就把我的錢轉走啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.744 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-30T11:00:47.204000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-30T11:00:48.945000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
本來臺高檢就有一個平臺是跟金融機構及電信業者聯繫的機制，我們會把委員提的這個問題反映出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.837 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-30T11:00:48.945000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-30T11:01:02.115000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
但是不能只問金融機構或是電信業者的意見，如果你問他的意見，我絕對相信他們會覺得多一事不如少一事啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.587 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-30T11:01:03.155000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-30T11:01:04.736000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
這是主管機關在跨部會聯繫的，這一定是跨部會的合作…… |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.478 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-30T11:01:10.999000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-30T11:01:25.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
部長，您先聽我說，我要的是我們先來了解到底別的國家怎麼做，以及有沒有成效，有成效的話我們來學習，如果沒成效或是他做了之後根本沒有效果，那我們就不用跟進。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.928 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-30T11:01:25.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-30T11:01:36.521000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
但我覺得最基本是至少去了解人家怎麼做，這也是為什麼我會提到全球打詐對策促進會，最主要的用意在於現在詐騙是國際化，詐騙不是臺灣的問題，詐騙是全世界的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.859 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-30T11:01:40.985000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-30T11:01:56.793000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
各國政府有不同的國情、不同的積極度以及不同的反應，針對詐騙集團，除了我們現在做的以外，我們也參考別人的做法，做得不錯的我們學習，做得不好的我們警惕，避免我們犯錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.945 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-30T11:01:56.933000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-30T11:01:57.454000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
這部分我們會蒐集。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-30T11:01:58.314000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-30T11:01:58.554000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
好，這樣子多久時間能夠給我們相關資料？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-30T11:02:06.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-30T11:02:06.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
一個月好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-30T11:02:08.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-04-30T11:02:10.091000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
感謝你們很積極任事啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-30T11:02:10.091000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-04-30T11:02:13.172000+08:00 |
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我本來以為是三個月才有辦法，但是你現在講一個月那就一個月了。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-04-30T11:02:14.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-04-30T11:02:15.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
我們會儘快。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-04-30T11:02:16.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-04-30T11:02:27.735000+08:00 |
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因為現在人家已經在做了，我覺得官方跟官方之間比較能夠直接要這些資料，有些時候立法委員要去跟別國政府接洽還是有一定難度。 |
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0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-04-30T11:02:28.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-04-30T11:02:50.577000+08:00 |
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最後，詐騙真的還是要處理，儘管你們的數據、表格講得很好，我也都肯定第一線的同仁，甚至檢察官，我知道有很多人想要離開，就是因為詐騙案太多，所以負荷不了，包括基層員警也很辛苦，但到目前為止，我不敢講我們打詐的成績真的很好。 |
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洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-04-30T11:02:52.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-04-30T11:02:55.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
你今天晚上還要去宣傳我們的打詐成效？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-04-30T11:02:56.642000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-04-30T11:02:58.104000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
這一定要去做一個…… |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-04-30T11:02:58.104000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-04-30T11:03:00.046000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
還要去宣傳我們防制電子菸的成效？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-04-30T11:03:00.426000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-04-30T11:03:01.667000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
我們當然一定要進行法律宣導，因為…… |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-04-30T11:03:01.667000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-04-30T11:03:02.228000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
我先請教一下，是球團邀請你，還是法務部主動說我們打詐…… |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.792 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-04-30T11:03:02.228000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-04-30T11:03:02.488000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
這本來就是有一個聯繫的機制，因為…… |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-04-30T11:03:02.548000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-04-30T11:03:03.009000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
所以是誰主動？ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-04-30T11:03:03.009000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-04-30T11:03:21.820000+08:00 |
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這本來就有一個聯繫的機制，就是檢察機關跟球團長久以來就有一個聯繫的機制，我們合作包括法律宣導…… |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.273 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-04-30T11:03:21.820000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-04-30T11:03:26.801000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
所以聯繫包括每個球季要安排法務部長開球一天？ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-04-30T11:03:27.181000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-04-30T11:03:35.406000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
我想我們要進行反詐、打詐、反賄選的宣導，我相信要走向更多跟民眾可以接觸的…… |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-04-30T11:03:36.346000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-04-30T11:03:41.971000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
這部分我沒有意見，但你有沒有看到網路上有球迷的爭議？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-04-30T11:03:41.971000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-04-30T11:03:42.931000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
我相信你應該有看到吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-04-30T11:03:43.031000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-04-30T11:04:01.484000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
剛剛莊瑞雄委員好像也有詢問，本席現在站在一個比較持平的立場，因為大家都知道我是兄弟象迷，我寧願用一個比較持平的立場來討論，第一，如果今天大家真的做得很好，或是說今天業務都做得欣欣向榮，那麼無傷大雅，你來開個球，然後能夠幫兄弟象今天贏球…… |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-04-30T11:04:01.484000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-04-30T11:04:02.484000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
我們那個有攤位，就是說…… |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-04-30T11:04:01.504000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-04-30T11:04:02.605000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
但是如果今天業務都還沒有做得很好，結果…… |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-04-30T11:04:02.605000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-04-30T11:04:11.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
我們有擺攤位來進行打詐、反毒、反賄選的宣導，因為…… |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-04-30T11:04:11.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-04-30T11:04:19.694000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
那你只要先跟我講到底是法務部主動要求說部長不錯，可以安排讓部長開球，還是球團拜託請部長來？ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.881 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-04-30T11:04:19.694000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-04-30T11:04:19.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
到底是哪一個？ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-04-30T11:04:19.935000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-04-30T11:04:22.756000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
我想這是長久以來的合作機制，這個我想…… |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-04-30T11:04:24.056000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-04-30T11:04:24.516000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
連這個都沒有辦法回答？ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-04-30T11:04:24.576000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-04-30T11:04:25.737000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
部長，這樣本席真的沒有辦法接受，我只能苦笑啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-04-30T11:04:34.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-04-30T11:05:01.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
我再次強調我寧願站在一個比較持平的立場，如果今天能夠鼓勵我們的同仁努力看球、多一點人來看球，其實總統也有開過球，國民黨、民進黨的政治人物和縣市首長也有開過球，但是我現在強調的是，為什麼今天您去會有很多球迷在問，而且下面的留言主要討論的是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.902 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-04-30T11:05:01.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-04-30T11:05:02.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
大家就認為你今天的名目是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-04-30T11:05:03.077000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-04-30T11:05:10.501000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
第一，也不是運動部，突然說法務部長要來開球，然後說你們要宣傳打詐和宣傳禁止電子菸…… |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.811 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-04-30T11:05:10.501000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-04-30T11:05:12.923000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
那個就是反毒…… |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-04-30T11:05:12.923000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-04-30T11:05:22.348000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
我們現在在問的是，到底是法務部主動說部長不錯，讓你來開個球，還是球團覺得部長德高望重，所以要請你來？ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.822 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-04-30T11:05:22.888000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-04-30T11:05:27.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
如果連這個都沒有辦法講清楚，那我更懷疑是不是有問題，還是說有預算配合？ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-04-30T11:05:30.359000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-04-30T11:05:32.381000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
我們是透過一個平臺聯繫的…… |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-04-30T11:05:33.702000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-04-30T11:05:35.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
哪一個平臺那麼好，可以聯繫安排部長開球？ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-04-30T11:05:36.305000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-04-30T11:05:51.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
現在檢察機關和球團事實上都有一個聯繫的機制，所以會安排我們來做更大規模反賄、反毒的宣導，我想委員你應該會支持打詐要全民一起來，如果有球團這麼大的…… |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.853 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-04-30T11:05:51.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-04-30T11:05:55.659000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
我支持全民一起來，但是我看不懂你丟一顆球跟我們打詐有什麼關係？ |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.862 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-04-30T11:05:55.659000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-04-30T11:05:58.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
丟一顆球之後，詐騙集團瞬間就害怕了、就消失了？ |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-04-30T11:05:59.020000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-04-30T11:06:01.821000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
我沒有要丟球，我們是擺一個攤位，我們是做一個…… |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-04-30T11:06:01.821000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-04-30T11:06:03.402000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
你不是今天要去開球嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-04-30T11:06:03.762000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-04-30T11:06:05.042000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
我沒有，我沒有要開球。 |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-04-30T11:06:05.162000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-04-30T11:06:06.063000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
現在沒有要開球了？ |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-04-30T11:06:06.163000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-04-30T11:06:06.903000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
本來就沒有安排開球。 |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-04-30T11:06:07.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-04-30T11:06:09.211000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
是上一次開球嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-04-30T11:06:09.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-04-30T11:06:11.414000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
球團昨天被罵，到現在大家都…… |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-04-30T11:06:11.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-04-30T11:06:14.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
我沒有要開球，本來就規劃沒有…… |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-04-30T11:06:14.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-04-30T11:06:17.563000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
我們兄弟象的粉絲專頁上面就說你是開球貴賓啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-04-30T11:06:20.829000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-04-30T11:06:23.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
只有致詞，我只是致詞……致詞？ |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-04-30T11:06:23.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-04-30T11:06:26.832000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
所以你去公開講個話，詐騙集團就會害怕了？ |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-04-30T11:06:26.832000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-04-30T11:06:28.253000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
我沒有要去開球，本來的規劃就沒有要開球…… |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0.056 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-04-30T11:06:28.253000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-04-30T11:06:45.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
部長，我剛剛整體的發言想要跟您說的是，我都肯定基層同仁的辛苦，但是真的要拜託上位者把心思放在本業務，業務做得好，立法院自然會支持你們。 |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0.82 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-04-30T11:06:45.381000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-04-30T11:06:53.439000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
部長帶頭來做反賄、反毒、打詐的宣導，我想這應該是大家一起來，這就是推動、宣導的一個業務…… |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0.632 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-04-30T11:06:54.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-04-30T11:07:01.048000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
業務做得好，立法院自然會支持，但如果是這些業外的業務，我還是建議盡量避免，好不好？謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-04-30T11:07:01.548000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2026-04-30T11:07:18.119429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
謝謝洪孟楷委員，我想洪孟楷委員的意思也是希望法務部能夠更致力於你們主要的打詐業務，至於宣導的部分，可以利用公餘時間去做宣導。 |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-04-30T11:07:18.419429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2026-04-30T11:07:21.562286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
接下來請鍾佳濱委員發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0 |