| IVOD_ID |
169017 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169017 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-30T10:30:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-30T10:40:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b51b6e95b687bd8e8d5d79f66aa0041db3448b35e215f93f5baa084d0648def08a3d5adc657703f85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
魯明哲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:30:40 - 10:40:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院公共工程委員會單位預算。二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部單位預算。三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部中央氣象署單位預算。四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光署及所屬單位預算。五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部運輸研究所單位預算。六、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路局及所屬單位預算。七、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部航港局單位預算。八、審查115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款-交通部主管第1目交通部、第2目公路局及所屬、第3目航港局及第4目觀光署及所屬。九、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務股份有限公司營業預算。十、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金─國道公路建設管理基金分預算。十一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金─觀光發展基金分預算。十二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管航港建設基金非營業預算。十三、處理114年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於交通部主管預算凍結案計48案。【開會事由一至十二僅進行詢答；交通部（含一般性補助款-交通部主管第1目）預算提案截止收件時間：5月6日下午2時；行政院公共工程委員會、中央氣象署、觀光署及所屬（含一般性補助款-交通部主管第4目）、運輸研究所預算提案截止收件時間：5月19日下午2時；公路局及所屬（含一般性補助款-交通部主管第2目）、航港局（含一般性補助款-交通部主管第3目）預算提案截止收件時間：5月21日下午2時】） |
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好 謝謝主席有請我們交通部陳部長請陳部長我們工程會陳主委請工程會陳金德主委以及我們港務公司周永輝董事長港務公司周董事長委員好 |
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好 周董事長你是去年10月13號才到港務公司就任董事長是所以現在要的問題在發報的過程跟你並沒有太大的關係但是因為現在遇到這樣的一個情況到底事實的一個情況是如何我覺得待會要請教你一下因為之前我們淨週刊淨新聞有特別報導 系列報導 |
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這個高雄七街 七街碼頭及聯絡道路工程它基本上七街分成兩大類它站區的除潮是中頂得標嘛 那另外一個那這個是碼頭跟聯絡要做橋過去的那坦白講這兩種工程這個尤其碼頭跟聯絡道路你如果掩護或怎麼樣兩個東西都會互相影響到的所以我們滿在意這個工程 |
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那255億他由去年的7月份你還沒到任喔由東平營造得標這個項目那現在得標這個項目之後這個引發了蠻多的一個爭議那我看到在報導之後你們有一個回應的一個新聞稿新聞稿我覺得也沒有燒到仰處啦你只有講說因為這個城鄉的問題目前還沒有看到申請書 |
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我的天哪 你的態度是什麼啊 問你的態度好不好看到申請書跟沒有看到申請書 不過只要問你的對這個事情的態度那現在的 遇到的幾個問題 我要請教董事長第一件事這個預定2028年3月要完工啊 要這個搞定的碼頭聯絡道路工程目前的狀況是怎麼樣 會不會延誤 |
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跟委員報告現在是還是按照原來的合約在執行而且工程進度的部分現在目前還超前0.19還超前喔那就是說報導上面講的東濱工程的一個網狀圖啊他已經畫到 |
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晚一年了2029年5月到10月這到底真的還假的不知道因為我們通常工程用我的經驗從地方到中央都是要到最後一秒要破的時候才會承認但是我是希望因為這個是一個工程接一個工程所以我覺得在這個時間的管控一定要特別注意也跟委員報告工程都是趕前不趕後所以我們在進度上會抓準 |
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好 總統遇到這個問題除了新聞回應之外那個振豐 振豐體系有做一個行政調查嗎我們啟動內部調查內部調查嘛 是那調查狀況是怎麼樣目前還在進行中就報導全部是假的是要準備告他嘛 是不是 |
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有沒有真的哪些真的哪些講的你說基本上就是我們要一約嘛然後我們是由台灣世西公司來做設計建造所以他的所有的變更還是要按照合約來執行目前目前是還是按照按照原來的講到世西啊這報導中間特別講說去年七月得標之前這個高調 |
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東坯高調來請世襲的高層在某高級的飯店吃飯還有工程人士然後當場對不對可能酒鍋三巡啊揚言就是七街OK沒問題結果果然七月就得標了請問一下振峰振峰哪一位沒來振峰這個有沒有事實 |
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是無賴因為坦白講不是無賴世襲喔是你的團隊你是業主喔如果他們下面在東搞西搞你應該要知道還在瞭解是不是我跟你講這很重要喔這非常非常重要我不知道報導正不正確我是覺得這樣的 |
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報導不正確你們要有立場要還廠商清預是不是這樣的報導如果是正確會出大問題我是覺得因為你是10月13號才過去的我是覺得你比較有客觀的立場那再來他覺得第一個問題我也覺得 |
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看這個字面問題就很大了它原本在你們的一個契約相關的原本說在高雄來製作那麼重的沉箱而且在A6碼頭旁邊的水利來製作結果咧現在傳出消息啊 |
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因為台北港台北港那邊應該有它原本的一個基地可能相關的一個設施可能可以據說比較能夠減少投資報導說可以省施工設備費10億我不清楚可是光城鄉你在高雄港 |
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你要來台北港做這麼重的沉箱然後再運過去這個我知道你們說還沒有提出申請我請教你的態度不要講申不申請你們會不會同意 |
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跟委員報告原來的合約確實是得也就是說你在製作成像的時候本來在高雄港的腹地不夠所以他可以選擇其他的地方那這邊都有涉及到專業的判斷所以那另外一個問題是說我們台北港所騰出來的空間是不是有按照原來的合約或者另外的合約來租賃這是另外一件事我知道啦我沒有問那一條嘛 |
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他為什麼還在台北港因為他之前租了你們續租嘛我們通通不管嘛人家質疑是說因為那邊有設備所以原本答應這邊你不用投資嘛一個月做三個城鄉總共做99個城鄉他每個月的進度要多少面積我是希望你們不要被騙那如果說被騙從報告計畫開始的時候就開始在騙 |
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然後變成他講的很多可能是某一位委員他列為最優的標準怎麼可以這樣呢對不對 因為你在地真的 他評分搞不好這個多幾分啊然後後面說不玩了 不好意思我要去台北了然後後面再運過來這個陳主委 工程委 陳主委 |
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你對這個這麼重的城鄉要這個從台北做然後做到高雄去你的見解是怎麼樣就你工程會的角度以前的今天三接在做的時候城鄉也都在台北港那我要看看他合約所以必要的時候工程會是會去做集合 |
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工程會你要協助一下因為我覺得你們也不要自打嘴巴了因為之前從前前主委就開始節能省碳因為這是我們整個國家的一個目標工程會也要求公共工程大家一起來做從材料各方面上來做為了要落實從111年8月31號表示你們的決心只要中央政府超過1億以上的工程全部要給我填節能減碳減核作業 |
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對不對 這你們的嘛 你們公告的1億以上工程 它255億嘛 顯然完全符合而且呢 這個減核表是要從計畫提報階段當然計畫提報是在你111年8月以前 那不算但是它至少規劃設計 現在施工我的天啊 它潛能減碳的減核表要怎麼填啊 |
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你們看的人我不知道會不會怕為什麼最下面的檢核項目咧你們再三強調強調優先選就在地嘛減少運輸耗能這是一個指標這是一個指標你們如果說從第一個階段計畫提報的時候在國發會都會審核這樣計畫如果第一階段沒有至少在現在的規劃設計施工階段都有 |
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那時間因為真的不夠了我覺得你們這不能太離譜你的表又亂勾啊我就OK啊都沒問題然後成鄉五六十個要從台北運三百多公里過去啊那最後啊我就請教一下那個董事長 |
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董事長那個報導我只是來求證一下因為你們也沒有說嘛是他當時的合約說他會有兩兩艘這個浮沉台船嘛因為這麼重我們做的沉箱如果真的要去運載即使在地也要運到位置也是需要這樣的一個船隻那現在兩艘一艘是現有的就沉了嘛在宜蘭外海沉了那你們也公告叫路過船隻小心沉了一艘那另外一艘說之前說正在購買中 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
532.668 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
558.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
不是啊現在他怎麼樣那個船出來沒有買到沒有什麼階段跟委員報告一下第一個在合約進行中所有的工具區都是要備齊的然後他應該不能影響工程的進度然後這個第二個呢所以目前來講他們確實也有兩艘船所以這個數據有點不大新船也買到了對不對是好 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
559.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
580.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
確定有兩艘船可以作業喔那你們去研究一下在這2900萬的沉箱什麼真正的沉到水底是怎麼 他們怎麼操作的啊也會研究這個因為未來我們這邊類似的作業非常多是不關我們的事還是他這個經驗有什麼問題你們要了解喔如果弄到最後真的會拖到工程喔是 是 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
580.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
597.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
因為有些工程混在一起再跟委員報告一下跟我們這個工程有關的部分跟您報告那我也拜託陳部長陳部長這個案子還是要督導一下如果沒有這回事一樣一樣查清楚嘛如果真的有這回事真的你們要主動做個清查謝謝 |