| IVOD_ID |
168985 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168985 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-29T16:39:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-29T16:52:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6301273cb2dfee84916f530058fb69b584e55221ec8869c0f4adde2d2cfc6c0f9e84ac0ab64cdd6e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王育敏 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:39:26 - 16:52:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-29T14:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：（下午2時30分起。若上午議程尚未結束，待結束後接續召開）
一、繼續審查
(一)委員柯志恩等17人擬具「醫療法第二十四條及第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員林月琴等17人擬具「醫療法第二十四條及第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員王育敏等16人擬具「醫療法第二十四條及第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
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二、審查
(一)委員徐欣瑩等18人擬具「醫療法第二十一條條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員洪申翰、賴惠員等17人擬具「醫療法部分條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員盧縣一等16人擬具「醫療法第七十一條條文修正草案」案。
(四)委員鍾佳濱等19人擬具「醫療法第八十四條條文修正草案」案。
(五)委員王正旭等24人擬具「醫療法增訂第七十一條之一條文草案」案。
(六)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「醫療法第一百零三條條文修正草案」案。
(七)委員郭昱晴等16人擬具「醫療法第一百零三條條文修正草案」案。
(八)委員盧縣一等17人擬具「醫療法第四十九條及第五十條條文修正草案」案。
(九)委員蘇巧慧等19人擬具「醫療法增訂第二十二條之一條文草案」案。
(十)委員賴惠員等20人擬具「醫療法第八十四條及第一百零四條條文修正草案」案。
(十一)委員李彥秀等16人擬具「醫療法部分條文修正草案」案。
(十二)委員陳瑩等16人擬具「醫療法第八十八條條文修正草案」案。
(十三)委員劉建國等18人擬具「醫療法第二十四條及第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
(十四)委員劉建國等16人擬具「醫療法第四十九條及第五十條條文修正草案」案。
(十五)委員邱鎮軍等21人擬具「醫療法第二十四條及第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
(十六)委員劉建國等16人擬具「醫療法增訂第九十八條之一條文草案」案。
(十七)委員林思銘等23人擬具「醫療法第二十四條及第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
(十八)委員羅智強等16人擬具「醫療法第二十四條及第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
(十九)委員張嘉郡等17人擬具「醫療法第二十四條及第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
(二十)委員蘇清泉等22人擬具「醫療法部分條文修正草案」案。
(二十一)委員羅明才等16人擬具「醫療法第十條、第二十四條及第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
(二十二)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「醫療法第二十四條及第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
(二十三)委員許宇甄等21人擬具「醫療法第二十四條及第一百零六條條文修正草案」案。
(二十四)委員廖偉翔等19人擬具「醫療法第一百零二條條文修正草案」案。
【第二(二十四)案，如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查】
【僅詢答，下午1時30分起辦理發言】
【4月29日上午9時起及下午2時30分起為一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 有請石部長有請石崇良部長王美媛好 |
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部長好 部長這個今天最新的新聞你對外講說三班互併比這個要入法那大家都知道在總統大選的時候賴清德總統他有項政見就是兩年內三班互併比要入法那算著時間呢這個2024年520就任今年2026 |
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即將這個要520快到了所以是不是總統有打電話給你有提醒你請你務必這件事情要幫他兌現政見你有沒有跟總統聊過其實我們很多的衛福部的相關的政策我都是會跟總統報告那有包括這一題吧對不對都有 一項很多的議題我都會跟總統報告 |
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所以我想這個是總統很關心他的政見有沒有兌現你才加快腳步可能有這樣一個發布因為大家都知道在今年1月的時候在立法院有針對三班護病筆要入法這件事情的法案就是有召開 |
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政黨的協商那當時衛福部的次長林靜儀次長他也沒有表態積極入法他沒有表態他還提到很多問題就是說偏鄉地區其實有很多可能是答不到的這個問題還是有對所以當場的那個會議並沒有凸顯一個衛福部的態度是積極支持的但是短短的 |
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這個幾個月突然加快速度我想這應該是賴清德總統的指示奏效我們都是有步驟啦其實他要有一些配套才有辦法短短的這三個月內就是一月份大家可以去翻公報紀錄他並沒有說我們現在衛福部我們會入法而且很肯定的說我們是要在醫療機構設置標準裡面去入法 他沒有 |
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他完全隻字未提啦然後突然你們就有一個這個但是我很好奇現在你們是要在醫療機構設置標準裡面而不是醫療法這跟外界的期待坦白講是有落差的 |
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應該這樣說 我們目前在護病筆已經有入法在醫療機構設置標準裡面入法醫療機構設置標準第12條有訂全日護病筆所以比較適當的方式應該是同樣的條文來做調整讓它從全日的護病筆變成三班護病筆 |
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來修訂這個是我們覺得這樣才有一個彈性因為這裡面有很多的細節規定需要去做那麼在醫療法的母法裡面很難有這樣的這個細緻上動就要來因為這都是會調整的這個人力的狀況是浮動的還有各種的條件也不一樣偏鄉的條件或者是各種病房的樣態可能也會不同 |
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但是這會有一個差異就是你今天如果是設定在你這個醫療機構設置標準裡面請問你會有相對應的法則嗎有醫療機構設置標準是那你未來這個也要設法則嗎不是在母法醫療法裡面就有對應授權法規也有法則啊 |
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也是有的但我是在問你說如果沒有達到三班互併比未來你的政策是用鼓勵獎勵來取代懲罰還是你棒子胡蘿蔔都有就是加速可以達到這個護理界的期待達到三班互併比我們現在先是以這個獎勵嘛我們現在有三班互併比獎勵夜班津貼等等還有這個護理費的調升等等現在都是朝獎勵的方式然後慢慢進入輔導期 |
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然後最後才正式實施所以你的這個修法事實上你還蠻延長的你那個整個上路的時間如果報載是確實的話你118年才有上路其實你的緩衝期還蠻長的那我要問你的是說你在這樣的方向性上如果是118年上路你這個上路的版本你將來是會搭配法則的嗎還是不會 |
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會有罰則的啊 因為這個醫療法本來裡面就有罰則所以當然還是會有罰則 但是你就是給足了緩衝期對 需要有緩衝 對 要讓這個人力能夠到位不然的話呢 如果強行的入法 然後搭配很高的罰則就會造成穿床那我問你 那這樣賴總統的政見是不是有跳票不會啊 我們就是按照兩年內入法 但沒有啊 |
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當時我有細讀啦 當時他是說在任內讓他配套完成兩年內那個是入法 但是入法到配套還要再完成所以我的解讀啦 你覺得沒有飄飄就對了因為你已經使命必達幫他開了一個會 然後找到一個解套的方式 |
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我們開了好幾場會議一直在討論好啦我只是覺得那你跟你的次長沒有講好啊次長1月才來立法院啊當然是要求要入法啊他還不肯啊結果現在馬上就520快到了就有這樣的我還是樂見其成啦只是我說不要只是因為總統有沒有在意這個立法的進度就可以差這麼多啦我要提醒的是這個我們一定要是有規劃負責任的讓他不要衝擊的 |
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就是不要讓我們感覺差這麼多我知道我知道市長在1月份還不肯答應然後突然4月份一直蔡研議當中一直到研議水到渠成好那另外一個我要問的是現在冒名偽藥詐騙的這個問題連這個北榮的院長陳維銘院長他都屢次遭到他的影像被冒用然後呢這個賣藥他其實已經非常生氣了我看到媒體的報導他說這是謀財害命 |
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那這個我覺得衛福部應該要正視這樣的一個現象這一些人我覺得很可惡第一個他是冒用別人的名義第二個就是他的藥品本身可能沒有那樣的效果或甚至他們跟你申請藥證他是不是偽藥然後這樣子去騙取民眾的金錢我覺得這個是很不可取的那我覺得現在政府的這個 |
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去懲治的手段還不夠雷厲風行那我不知道衛福部你們作為是藥事主管機關而且醫院也是你們的就是服務的病人的單位那連院長都遭到這樣子的一個影像就是被冒用然後用他假的人頭去賣這個尾藥這個傷害其實蠻大的那你們現在有什麼比較霹靂手段 |
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跟委員說明當然我們依法都是會交查但是就是考量到因為交查的速度太久他會掛在那裡太久所以我們才跟速發部合作所以直接讓他去下架速發部就出手去下架你們現在可以達到立即無法接軌下架嗎比如說北榮院長跟你 |
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講了之後我們立刻通知速發部然後它立刻就下架對就是它快的速度可以多快一天內一天內 對然後不只這樣我們還會用一些Keyword或者方式用AI巡查在網路上巡查 |
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你們現在有在尋找嗎我們現在已經今年就已經下架4萬多件因為這個你給他下架他用另外一個IP又上來所以很討厭現在這個實在是很討厭所以我們到目前已經下架跟速發部合作已經下架4萬多件一年嗎 |
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今年到目前為止短短的4個月已經4萬件了那這真的是太猖狂了很猖狂啊所以我們才會嚴厲現在我們在嚴厲要修鑰匙法希望說去強化這個電商的管理的責任平台的責任你今天要上架在你這邊廣告你要確定這個是真的還是假的 |
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連這種被冒名的你還讓他在這個平台上面這個我覺得影響是蠻大的我希望你們要好好的去處理因為如果連一個北榮的院長這麼資深的院長都透過媒體求救他覺得真的被騷擾到非常的生氣那這個我覺得你們要好好的嚴正一待去處理 |
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最後一個我要問的就是我們現在醫療暴力的這個通報案件增加另外一個我看到的是他的這個成案率就變成司法成案率市場是在下降的你看112年他的這個成案率移送司法有136件那為什麼113年他整個通報案件增加但是成案率呢送到司法的是 |
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大幅的減少這個原因是什麼是醫護人員不想告了還是你有多了一些什麼機制還是對醫護人員來講這個成本太高還要出庭 |
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所以就是不想出庭原因是什麼你們有沒有去分析這個其實去年1月跟12月我們歷史師都會跟高檢署召開這個討論檢討會議那確實但是這個法務部嗎不曾暗示法務部的問題是不是檢察官看一看就說不起訴來這個法務部上來講一下來 |
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王參司嗎來 王參司請上來你有看到這樣的現象嗎因為這樣子對醫療人員來講會覺得很心寒就是已經通報了結果是沒有被處理就是司法根本覺得這個哪有什麼就是沒有成案這樣的現象法務部有看見嗎 |
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因為如果是這個樣子的話 我們法再怎麼修也沒有用啊因為連起訴都不起訴 連成案都不成案那我們再怎麼修有什麼用問題出在哪裡因為我們是被動受理 在醫療糾紛的案件上如果有案件上來 我們其實一定是會受理但是受理的話 我們是要需要有醫療鑑定的 有醫療糾紛這種狀況我們是要受 會服務醫療暴力 |
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那那個檢察司的主任檢察官比較了解這狀況請他來跟我們來檢察官說為什麼 |
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跟委員報告一下因為就實務檢察官的運作來講的話基本上有關醫療暴力案件必須要有移送之後檢察官才會進一步去做一個受理那檢察官針對這樣的一個案件如果確實有移送或者是說有人提告的話那我們都會依法分案依法就證據的部分去做一個偵辦 |
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好我已經看到客觀的這個數據所以我要求這個衛福部跟法務部你們這個要去開會檢討這樣的一個現象如果是法務部這邊檢察官對於這一類的案件的敏感度其實低然後導致這個成案率低那這個要檢討如果是醫院方覺得移送的這個成本高醫護人員因為你們給他工價然後他要花時間然後還要出庭然後想說就算了 |
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那這個是衛福部你們要檢討所以我要求這個現象是我看到的現象我希望這個衛福部跟法務部你們是不是一個月之內召開這樣的會議把檢討的這個可以嗎 |
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要兩個月是不是好兩個月之內就是開完這個檢討會議然後應該要怎麼改善然後把這個改善的方法送到未還委員會來好不好因為我們今天討論這個醫療暴力的問題我們不希望這些醫護人員遭受到威脅更希望如果有人是去傷害這些醫護人員的在司法上面我們還給醫護人員一個公道那這樣我們的修法其實才有意義好不好好謝謝 |
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謝謝王毓民委員的資訊 |