| IVOD_ID |
168933 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168933 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-29T09:45:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-29T09:57:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6301273cb2dfee84065285a19d60692ea5b809b1091e157418096c5e05de57c6711898d07e4142ab5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張智倫 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:45:43 - 09:57:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請海洋委員會主任委員率同所屬列席報告業務概況(含上會期臨時提案辦理情形)，並備質詢。二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會部分。三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會海巡署及所屬、海洋委員會海洋保育署、國家海洋研究院部分。四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款海洋委員會、海洋保育署部分。五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於海洋委員會主管特別收入基金－海洋污染防治基金。
【詢答及處理，所列預算提案於115年4月27日(星期一)中午12時截止收件。】
【另本會115年4月23日台立內字第1154000532號函，相關預算提案截止收案時間延長至4月27日(星期一)中午12時。】
【4月29日、30日兩天一次會】） |
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好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早有請管碧玲管主委 |
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主委好今天是有關於海委會海巡署等等相關單位預算的諮詢首先我要先謝謝主委我們都支持海巡海委會相關的預算謝謝委員我也非常支持我必須公開重重的感謝委員當然立法委員我們還是要好好來監督人民的荷包跟納稅錢 |
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那首先我要先請教這個主委有關無人機的問題當然因應現在我們這個海巡署要去針對台海的情勢的升高跟我們的救災氣土等等的一些作業所以無人機是我們我國現在海巡署 |
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一個非常重要的業務可是我們看到從107年我們海巡署開始購買無人機的時候我們叫它第一代無人機都是我們用公務預算來變那時候買了20架那經費可以看一下這個螢幕我們一台的無人機的單價大概是450萬元 |
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那到今年開始我們開始買了新的第二代的無人機那我們本行很關心那我們第二代無人機買的是價格是多少錢我們看到無人機的價格暴漲了將近快要四倍1600萬將近1700萬的 |
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這個金額 那我們本席想問的是說當然我們支持海偶會做任何的它的職業的業務那可是這個等等一般民眾的認知價格一代機跟二代機的價格為什麼差那麼多是性能有差異還是等等什麼原因是不是可以給主委說明一下謝謝委員詮詢委員對於這個課題已經關心很長期持續那我們了解委員非常的關心說我們到底有沒有買貴 |
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那我也跟委員報告我對海巡他對於無人機大概我主要管兩件事情第一件事情是你的功能部署對不對你的功能部署要達到什麼樣的效能這個我會掌控另外就是說你絕對不能買貴然後你要基於國安還有因為有紅色供應鏈的問題基於國安還有要買最新最好的 |
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我大概就是這幾個指示那至於說細節的部分本席都支持主委的想法可是就現在的就像現在我們所有第一線操作人員來講他一代機的價格才450萬二代機竟然高達1600多萬那你性能就像你講主委講的性能有什麼問題還是說他可以改成軍用的未來要改成軍用嗎 |
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我請署長我們都是軍用商工時間關係兩代的信人本席手動都有我看不出來信人到底差異在哪裡 |
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這個可以簡單說明一下我們現在海巡主要是在徵收的功能所以他的性能是大幅提升跟第一代不一樣另外第一代報價是民國105年的報價那我們現在的報價跟將近10年的報價所以他的不管是物條不管是他的功能規格所以明確講出來代表功能差異在哪裡 |
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因為我有兩個功能第一個部分就是它的徵收的不一樣然後它的導控不一樣然後距離不一樣 高度不一樣然後它的後面的訓練不一樣沒錯啊 就像我們手機啊大概iPhone 1跟iPhone X不一樣可是價錢也不會差到四五倍啊跟委員報告齁我舉10秒鐘就是我要講的就是說我們現在媒體上報的就是我們現在要買的MQ-9V這是高供無人機是不是未來有跟軍用的有相關的年車才會這麼貴嗎 |
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我們這款是軍規的然後商用未來軍事作戰可以使用可以使用但是我們的功能主要在徵收的部分第一個我認為單價的部分其實我們都支持海巡海委會的預算可是單價的部分希望未來在採買的時候因為我們都其實本席現在對於採買金額最困擾的就是說在預算編列的時候我們沒有辦法詢問相關內容細節我們都不知道 |
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那等絕標了以後差異竟然那麼大我們看到功能別好像差異也沒那麼多所以我還希望說這是第一個問題那第二個問題我們想要請教訓練費的部分訓練費的部分我發現我們二代機的訓練費 |
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總金額大於一代機非常多我們平均換算一台一台的魚人機的訓練單價將近要一千萬喔比過去二代機的一台訓練單價要一千萬比一代機的單價高出許多總金額高達只訓練只做六台喔可是比二十台的訓練的這個金額增加六十七倍 |
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那我的意思就是說這個訓練費這一代機跟二代機的訓練會差那麼多嗎那本席想要建議的就是我們的無人機應該採用在地化訓練的話不管一代機跟二代機應該訓練出種子教官而不是有我認為這個有點經驗的訓練費太高是不是可以解釋一下 |
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跟委員報告 那我們現在的所謂非無人機 公務機關無人機一定要有考照那我們這一款的無人機是VITAL的 也就是他同時具備旋翼跟定義機的機能所以他要考到四張照 那跟委員報告 我們有一個數據我們之前送去訓練的這個 要考到四張照大概要花費 每一個人 因為他要包括時數所以一個人大概要受訓四到五個月 那一個人的費用將近五十萬 |
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特別跟委,就光訓練費用而已所以這部分跟委報告因為我們每一個人要取得證照才可以去飛這無人機 |
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本席想要了解的是說是不是有什麼特殊的操作技巧還是說有特殊的徵收技術還是說你們應該要匯到美國去受訓所以本席想說為什麼訓練的金分一台我算在一台平均單價一千萬這個跟一般我們民眾的認知差異很大到軍規的程度你們有訓練軍事相關的訓練嗎 |
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等個過去一代機的時候它是沒有含訓練費用在裡面嘛取證費用沒有在裡面嘛但是現在是已經都要求要在裡面了那剛剛有跟委員報告就是說因為四張證照以前一代機的時候其實有訓練費用一台的訓練費用大概是四萬九千塊那二代機的訓練費用我們剛剛簡單算起來一台的一代機不需要四張證照是 |
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二代機的訓練費用一台是一千萬所以晚上跟主委報告就是說你們在估價在尋價的過程中這個費用到底是有什麼特殊的技術跟技巧跟委員報告因為我們這個二代機的規格比較高所以我們除了還訓練考照還會接裝訓練 |
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那還要送到國外去做訓練所以這個訓練都是涵蓋在我們買飛機裡面那我們一般的估價會認為我們一般在民間在估這個買這個無人機都是用裸機的部分來算但是我們這一個我們所有我們買的飛機是包括所有全售期的包括後續的維保保固包括保險都包含在裡面 |
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沒關係主委副主委你們會後可以再把詳細的資料提供給北京那最後一個問題最後一個問題其實我要跟就是跟各位報告其實我們都支持海委會的預算可是我們覺得海委會預算編列其實相當有問題其實在114年的時候主委你知不知道我們海巡署編列預算大概是多少金額多少錢嗎我們通過的預算金額多少錢請問有人知道嗎300多億吧海巡 光海巡的話 |
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去年度是不是對你們原本編列是多少錢的經費是280億的經費對但是因為我們後來有對然後我們後來我們租家預算通過的經費你們知道是多少錢嗎 |
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追加預算跟預備金之後我們已經超過300億我印象中通過的經費其實我們立法院最後給你們的經費是295億元所以我要跟你們報告的是其實我們已經通過預算法的規定了你們事實上實際可以使用的經費是比你原本編列的數字還要高你們原本編列才280億左右的預算 |
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所以說追加預算通過的預算是295億的預算是高過你們編譯的預算那是因為我們有動用第二預備金才是這樣還有人事費突然之間到年中不是很高薪已經給你們295億的預算你們還跟行政院再追加了一點多億的預算委員調薪的預算吃了很大一筆數字所以本席要跟你們講的是我們都支持你們的預算 |
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是從4月突然調薪的 均值的調薪那筆預算應該是8千多萬嗎就是已經你們原本編的預算立法院後來追加跟你們預算已經超過你們原本編的預算你們還要再跟行政院追加了將近快2億的預算最後總數那本席想要提的意見就是就是說希望啊 |
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就是說你們現在重點海巡最重要就是軟體跟硬體的實力我覺得應該要增強其實海巡目前來講還差了大概1300多名的人員的缺額還有非常多老舊的建物即將還等待要補強那本席的意見就是說立法院通過這麼多的預算給你們那我想要請教你們到底還缺多少預算 |
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光是廳舍分兩筆一筆是需要興建一筆是維修基本上預算數如果超過原本你們預計編的預算數我們需要中長期計畫如果海巡署還缺錢超過一百億喔委員你們還缺一百億你們缺額還缺一百億不是缺額光廳舍的興建我們需要一個中長期計畫委員我們很希望說大家能夠來考察 |
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我們那個第一線的弟兄 他們的環境真的令人心疼不捨 光是新建預算就還需要一段時間那最後我要再請教主委 我還是要幫基層的弟兄來起命我們軍職的海巡的部隊加急 |
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還有緊直的勤務加擠以及查緝隊的危險加擠我們計畫都做好了已經都送上去了嗎19項今年會不會調整我們現在開過了最後一次檢討會議以後我們方案做好就會往上溝通協調就會跨部會溝通協調那我們大概會動了18、19項 |
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大概會動了19項那預計會通過的 你有沒有預計哪一些加級會通過我說了A就會傷了B的心我們希望全部都通過我們一定盡全力好 謝謝大家 |