| IVOD_ID |
168932 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168932 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-29T09:37:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-29T09:45:31+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:12 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6301273cb2dfee84e42937c73254b83ba5b809b1091e157418096c5e05de57c61ee19b822c4e652d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張宏陸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:37:19 - 09:45:31 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請海洋委員會主任委員率同所屬列席報告業務概況(含上會期臨時提案辦理情形)，並備質詢。二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會部分。三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會海巡署及所屬、海洋委員會海洋保育署、國家海洋研究院部分。四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款海洋委員會、海洋保育署部分。五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於海洋委員會主管特別收入基金－海洋污染防治基金。
【詢答及處理，所列預算提案於115年4月27日(星期一)中午12時截止收件。】
【另本會115年4月23日台立內字第1154000532號函，相關預算提案截止收案時間延長至4月27日(星期一)中午12時。】
【4月29日、30日兩天一次會】） |
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在上個月3月30在東營有一個中國籍的工作平台船處理中國籍漁船擱淺的那個然後說 |
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不慎破壞台馬三號海欄這個事情主委應該知道第一時間我們絕對會去了解說這是不是真正是意外 |
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背後有沒有灰色襲擾的疑慮那第一時間我們會有一個SOP會查證這個事情第二對於事件的應處首先航港局他會出來主導會成立應變小組那跟委員報告昨天晚上第20次應變會議開過了 |
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那有關於這個個案確實相當的複雜也就是說擱淺了以後在移除的過程去傷到了我們的海嵐所以移除到一半的時候船長就被我們送法辦那移送法辦以後工程整個就停止到昨天晚上 |
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那昨天晚上的時候第二十次應變會議以後已經經過檢察官也許可了我們海巡已經用海巡艇介護這個船長船長本來在檢察官的手上那也介護了船長然後允許他去船上做適當的應處那基本上停滯的狀況我們希望要開始有進度到目前為止昨天晚上是這樣的進度 |
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主委我想要問的就是說雖然施工的核可單位是航港局是他們但我不知道報導是否屬實那現在雖然也是在偵查當中因為報導上面是寫說他是要用吊掛施工結果現場變成切 |
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他切割成兩段但是在這個過程當中他的工法有沒有改變計畫有沒有改變那個是後來改變沒有錯但是這個過程一定都會經過審核我是不是我們參與會議的我的意思是這樣 |
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我個人存在蠻大的這個我不相信如果以在台灣的這種施工標準我相信中華電信或什麼所有施工單位應該都有這個比如說海嵐的那個土啊不是不是我們在施工核准在什麼的你的電纜什麼的大概在哪裡其實我們都有施工圖可以看 |
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我認為都會有這些那竟然還這樣那你說你要切割船,你切割到那麼深我一直認為這個背後是這麼單純嗎 |
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跟委員報告我個人跟委員的立場一樣我們一定是料敵從寬所以第一時間我們一定絕對就要去確認這是否真實的是一個意外那背後是不是有 |
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國安的疑慮那這個部分的SOP我們有建立起來甚至於我們也會從水下去看不只是說船員的清巡船長的清巡我們也會從水下去看那整個過程也會是在介護的過程之中來執行我們甚至於要看你在施工的過程當中你有沒有放什麼科學儀器在做調研等等的 |
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那這一次的話 海流的關係 所以海嵐有一些移動那相關的細節 相關的細節 航港局都有應變中心中華電信也有在裡面 海保署 海委會 海巡也都有在裡面那詳細的開會如果還有更值得跟委員報告的細節的部分我們處長跟委員做說明有需不需要我 |
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我知道如果可以讓我們知道的資料給我就好了不用在這邊我在這邊我今天特別問這個我認為這是一個很不尋常的案例我們要以這個不尋常的案例 |
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去預防未來有沒有這種情況會繼續發生對不對他也可能有很多的狀況然後今天在東嶺明天在哪裡對不對船要擱淺應該也很容易處理啊對不對這個這個署長在海染區的話他的移除的計畫確實更精密的審議這個除了更精密審議之後要不然署長 |
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我請問一下,如果你要讓一艘船故意擱淺,困不困難?不困難啊對嘛,我們擔心的是這個事情嘛,對不對?我可能每天都有船擱淺啊,啊你是不是批分命?然後每天船擱淺,然後就是都這樣子 |
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那我跟你講幾次之後全部都摸透了關於有幾條電線電纜我擔心的是這個而且又這麼簡單的一個移除工作竟然會把海纜給切斷這個很奇怪很不尋常啊這個一般的施工不可能 |
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不精確到這種程度我今天在這邊就是要提醒我們海委會跟我們所有相關部會這個東西我們不能把它當成一般的施工然後造成損害我希望你們要有這種想法 |
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好 所以我們第一時間船長就送辦 一定就把他送辦這個一定要送辦嘛那跟委員報告 就是所有的海嵐的案件現在檢方 院方處理的經驗都已經有好幾起案件那這些案件的處理當中有故意的 我們就重罰但是如果是意外的 我們就還他清白那這些案例都已經有了那有一些是經過和解的 那有一些是經過就 |
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沒有證據顯示是他的然後就請回的就讓他回去的大概我們也會扣留了像不久兩個月前有一個案我們也扣留了十幾天然後才檢察官來放行這檢察官他們會時間的問題反正我說的重點主委你們都知道嘛就是這樣去處理我希望你們是這樣這個是為了整個台灣的安全 |
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我來以後發現這種狀況就是說離島尤其是金門馬祖一發生的相關的海事工程的需要都是用對方都是用對方的工程團隊來處理我也是疑慮甚深但是基於整個產業結構目前還沒有辦法解套所以我就把海巡的警戒的SOP大幅度的升級反正這個我的提醒就是這樣我最後 |
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5秒鐘我們現在造了很多艦艇那我們停泊的地方到底夠不夠啊 |
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我們現在有前瞻的部署,樂觀,那署長更樂觀,署長說夠,那我說樂觀對,因為國防部也幫忙了,地方政府也幫忙了,然後經濟部也幫忙了如果夠就好啦,我只是擔心你現在很多,我怕你船沒有地方停鄧委員報告非常樂觀,然後署長更樂觀,謝謝謝謝張宏祿委員 |