| IVOD_ID |
168924 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168924 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-29T10:56:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-29T11:09:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6301273cb2dfee8482d380feb1753997c71d97a3abd7207418096c5e05de57c6e5986559e7e11f9b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:56:33 - 11:09:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：（上午9時起）
審查
一、委員羅廷瑋等43人擬具「空氣污染防制法第二十七條、第二十八條及第三十條條文修正草案」案。
二、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「空氣污染防制法第三十條條文修正草案」案。
【詢答及處理】
【4月29日上午9時起及下午2時30分起為一次會】） |
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今天這個法案我們就大體討論 |
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然後就辦公聽會,然後再來審法條讓大家各退一步,部長這樣可以嗎?謝謝委員,這個是我們也期待的,因為這個的確需要大家多一點溝通啦謝謝,謝謝委員我們怕傷及無辜嘛,這個次長剛剛最擔心的嘛,怕傷及無辜來,我們現在講嚴肅的問題,下一張再下一張,這個是去年丹娜斯颱風 |
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我這裡有質詢,那個就是海上光電板那一件事就不見了,那我跟大家報告 |
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我們現在沿海的邦寮、加東、東港這些鄉親市長,他也是很關心因為光電板都在海底四十多公尺,都帶在沙子裡面反正你說那些光電板沒有什麼災難,沒有什麼汙染是這樣嗎?部長部長因為這個主管能源署能源署署長 |
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你現在把那個H1的實驗性質也罷了那你現在你當初給他贊助支出一億兩一億三千多萬那你在我們陳欣暉他們開的那個記者會這個案子是失敗了失敗嘛那你現在 |
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我剛剛問了兩個問題,光電盤是不是就暫時擱置在那裡,有沒有汙染第二個你們要當初能源署的代理署長說要做一回一些補助那現在做了怎麼樣 |
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第一個它這個是一個業界科專的計畫那業界的科專計畫當時提出申請的時候我們要求他去做一些不但是政府如果是通過的話政府會提供他補助他自己也要提供相對的這個金額除此之外的話內容的部分我們要求他要做一些的科學的驗證 |
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這個是第一個第二個部分剛剛委員所關心的事實上在去年的這個颱風之前他已經把那個光電板已經拆掉了那委員你這個照片看的一個部分支架它是有一些伏台的一個支架啦它會跟台亞嘛對台亞連環的光電板在大鵬灣那裡組合之後拖出去去拆它人家說它風台進行 |
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這個就有點瞎扯啦風太陣仗沒人看到他們就拖拚了起來所以我要跟你盡切實因為有 |
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蛙人部隊退休的人說要來跟我說他們要想去潛水我說不要啦這個因為是那個資產是旭東公司的資產我們不要去碰它那我現在跟市長講說可能有一部分客家但一部分都在海底海底我之前問我們的部長彭部長說那有汙染嗎彭部長說那沒什麼汙染 |
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那我現在要抗勝的就是列隊沒有站起來的,會汙染的就是你們要摧毀你們的補助,這樣兩項而已 |
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前面的那個問題就是麻煩環境部第二個問題的話因為一些科專原來的這個契約的部分那我們這個依照契約來做處理那除了原來的這個他所給付的這些的款項之外後面的這個部分我們是不會再做給付他自己所投資的這個部分的話那當然也因為這一次的一個試驗的一個終止之後他就終止了這個事項 |
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所以你們沒有要跟他做一些補助嗎?他之前能源署的代理署長有這樣說喔?到底你們現在的決定是什麼?我想他的意思應該是說依照契約來處理啦那在這邊跟委員說明,委員也非常的清楚其實台灣的科技的發展除了業界科專之外,還有學界的科專那這些的科專的這個計畫,它不必然是說 |
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他開始提出構想的時候那他馬上就能成真那這個部分政府必須要有一點的鼓勵的一個情勢但是在鼓勵的同時的話我們在契約裡面也要求說他要 |
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所有實驗性質的東西我們可以容忍一些浪費 |
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就是藥品的開發常常都失敗的啊所以失敗我們是可以接受失敗的那你如果是你在補助他 |
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他們沒有亂搞我說他可以扛7到12公尺的巨浪結果沒有那幾隻所以那是失敗失敗 他們如果說他沒有亂開 他沒有靠這個東西在想我或是靠你幫忙做探測那或許還可以接受那你後面那些東西 你們是 |
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給我一個報告 好不好 給我一個報告 你們現在處理到什麼程度不然我問你 你說那在海底是不是沒有污染這幾個 現在還有嗎因為我問他 就是有沒有光電板沉下去 他說沒有啦什麼沒有啊 不要不要說之前就拆掉了這一點我要負責 不要不要然後第二個是他的這個伏台 那個是這個伏台是要拉上來 要拉上來 |
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那這個如果飄到海上的,等於是如果是殘渣的話這個要把它撈起來啦所以我相信他們已經有做了這些事情那我們會再去了解一下所以 |
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我不會很苛責公務人員,我從來不會苛責公務人員我從來不會,我都會聽他的鼓勵,因為公務人員好不容易苛責特赤做到這個進步,薪水是輸了,薪水減少,來這裡用糟蹋,我沒有辦法接受我常常跟部長這樣說,我也常常跟你們鼓勵 |
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這樣可以嗎?市長請回,我要問部長的事來這個麥寮電廠1號機3號機的燃煤發電5月份開始要,明天明天後天要開始燃煤,這是真的假的 |
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因為我們沒有參與,那這個應該是能源署或是經濟部要來負擔,要來處理今天羅廷偉他們提這個公務,這個就是因為對於發電廠,南美的發電廠非常痛恨嘛所以一開始他開宗明義就是要收債而已結果不知道發下去會不會衝到北京幾間的屬性公司,有用歐陸的,重點是這樣嘛 |
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那所以這要燃煤當然是因為我們在波斯灣那邊要石油要液態天然氣現在都就72%來自於波斯灣石油32%來那個液態天然氣來自於卡達嘛那卡達現在停產了所以用燃煤來補充 |
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這個我們也可以理解所以昨天在恆春的河山場園園會在那邊做說明我從頭到尾我就說我支持的是河一、河二、河三、河四都要重啟 |
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難道有基礎電力嗎?不然這個是誰給我們的壓力?我們很肯定我們賴總統他這樣做這種決策,也不簡單耶極轉彎耶那這是誰的壓力?當然是美國的壓力嘛我今天要講的就是,我們美國如果有,你們就要蓋主意 |
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我們屏東喔 我要再講一次 屏東這大武山 這個是來 怎麼又沒有了 |
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這空汙 哈哈哈哈 你看不看得到 空汙喔不對啦 你看那邊漏氣不啦 嚇死人啦 你看不看得到我以為螢幕又拍了這個大武山喔 他的官都三千公尺那剛才一個大武 只搶一個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個 |
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那有幾個效應,第一個是大午三檔下的效應第二個就是溫北季風整個口袋效應,不會到那裡,整個都積在冰箱冰箱有夠小的,全部都在這裡,不碰到湯不碰到蠟,都碰到PF2.5 |
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跟VOC 跟NOX還有一些臭氧O3那這些東西搞一搞二次曝曬就會產生PM2.5 PM10那我們一大堆吸血管疾病 腹瀉道疾病柏廷 我跟你講一個data你剛剛有講到台灣的PM2.5的平均是16 15嗎12.8 |
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手動的啦,手動比較有標準啦高雄、臨沿這邊大拿薄鴨差不多18到20啦那屏東市21到25屏東、潮州、太湖山的三角下24到28,差不多一百半然後臭陽都是極高 |
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那裡面的那個,我有去看潮生國小,潮什麼國小,有一個監測站,空氣監測站,是在平地,那可以不斷要求,你可以在大武山的山腳下,是半山腰,設一個站,我們來那邊測,最準。 |
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我們來評估一下醫防性的降災,不然如果口袋效應,我們吸血管其實不用那麼多我本來以為在山腳下,在山上的人是非常的住在天堂,結果發現可能住在高度汙染 |
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他們的肺腺癌也不會救所以這個因為又弱勢嘛我們主席要過你的原住民朋友 |
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不要讓他們再繼續這麼受害我們原住民的平均壽命是平地 少平地 少10歲現在比較好了 現在少7歲所以我們是有在努力 盧縣醫也很努力那我們是隨時能夠幫忙他們醫療等等 我們都要來努力 |
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具體的要求就是他們要撤一個站好不好我們來評估一下我們以為那邊非常好結果沒有那邊很糟糕好不好好我們來評估一下謝謝委員謝謝蘇清泉委的質詢 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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謝謝主席，請部長還有經濟部賴次長。 |
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主席 |
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請彭部長、經濟部次長。 |
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彭部長啓明 |
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蘇委員好。 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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辛苦了！ |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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今天這個法案我們就大體討論，然後辦公聽會，再來審法條，大家各退一步，部長這樣可以嗎？ |
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彭部長啓明 |
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謝謝委員，這是我們也期待的，因為這個的確需要大家多一點溝通，謝謝委員。 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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我們怕傷及無辜嘛，這是次長剛剛最擔心的，怕傷及無辜。是。 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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我們現在講嚴肅的問題，這個是去年的丹娜絲颱風，我有在這裡質詢，圖片那個就是海上光電板，現在那件事就不見了，我跟大家報告，我們現在沿海的枋寮、佳冬、東港這些鄉親長輩也很關心，因為那些光電板都在海底四十幾公尺，都埋在沙子裡面，部長說那些光電板沒有什麼災難、沒有什麼污染，是這樣嗎？部長。 |
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彭部長啓明 |
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因為這個主管的是能源署…… |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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請能源署署長。 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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那是實驗性質也罷了，當初贊助他們，支出一億三千多萬，陳菁徽委員等召開記者會，這個案子是失敗了，我剛剛問的兩個問題，第一個，光電板是不是就暫時擱置在那裡，有沒有污染？ |
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0.795 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-04-29T10:58:33.059000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-29T10:58:41.133000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
第二個，當初能源署的代理署長說要追回一些補助，那現在做得怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-29T10:58:42.352000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-29T10:59:20.516000+08:00 |
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第一個，這是一個業界科專的計畫，當時提出申請的時候，我們要求他去做一些……如果通過的話，政府會提供補助，他自己也要提供相對的金額，除此之外，內容的部分我們要求他要做一些科學驗證，這是第一個；第二個部分，也是剛剛委員所關心的，事實上在去年的颱風之前，他已經把光電板拆掉了，委員這個照片看起來有一些浮台的支架。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.934 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-29T10:59:21.396000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-29T10:59:26.837000+08:00 |
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它下面的台子嘛？對。 |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-29T10:59:27.237000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-29T11:00:01.310000+08:00 |
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台子上面就是光電板，在大鵬灣那裡組合之後拖出去放著，他跟人家說他是颱風之前，這個就有點瞎扯，颱風之前沒人看到他們有把光電板拖到上岸，所以我要跟你很確實的說，因為有退休的蛙人部隊人員跟我說他們想要去潛水，我說不要啦，因為那個資產是旭東公司的資產，我們不要去碰它。 |
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0.708 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-29T11:00:02.250000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-29T11:00:14.233000+08:00 |
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我現在跟次長講，可能有一部分撿起來，但是大部分都在海底，我上次有問我們彭部長，那個有污染嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.732 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-29T11:00:14.233000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-04-29T11:00:22.259000+08:00 |
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彭部長說那個沒什麼污染，我現在concern的就是，在海底沒有撿起來的會污染嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.595 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-29T11:00:23.242000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-29T11:00:24.004000+08:00 |
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第二，你們有要追回你們的補助嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-29T11:00:24.124000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-29T11:00:24.144000+08:00 |
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就這兩項而已。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-29T11:00:29.378000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-29T11:00:32.040000+08:00 |
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前面的那個問題就要麻煩環境部。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.929 |
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賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-29T11:00:32.320000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:00:54.436000+08:00 |
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第二個問題的話，因為業界科專原來就有契約的部分，這個我們會依照契約來做處理，除了原來他所給付的這些的款項之外，後面的部分我們是不會再給付，他自己所投資的這個部分，當然也因為這一次的試驗終止，之後他就終止了這個事項。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-29T11:00:55.697000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-29T11:00:57.919000+08:00 |
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所以你們不對他追一些補助回來，沒有嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.588 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-29T11:01:00.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-29T11:01:05.325000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
上次能源署的代理署長有這樣說喔，到底你們現在的決定是怎樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-29T11:01:06.486000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-29T11:01:09.248000+08:00 |
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我想他的意思應該是說依照契約來處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-29T11:01:10.389000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:01:19.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
在這邊跟委員說明，委員也非常清楚，其實臺灣的科技發展，除了業界科專之外，還有學界的科專。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-29T11:01:20.017000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:01:37.910000+08:00 |
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這些科專計畫不必然是在開始提出構想的時候馬上就能成真，這個部分政府必須要有一點鼓勵，但是在鼓勵的同時，我們在契約裡面也要求他要出資相當的款項，換句話說，風險不應該是由政府來承擔，但是，若是這些科專計畫研究有所成，比如以這個案子來說，我們會去檢視他原來履約的過程裡面驗證的這些資料，這些資料的話大概對於政府部門是有幫助的…… |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.396 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-29T11:01:39.431000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:02:12.986000+08:00 |
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所有實驗性質的東西，我們是可以容忍一些浪費，就像藥品的開發常常都是失敗的，所以我們是可以接受失敗的。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-29T11:02:14.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-29T11:02:38.391000+08:00 |
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如果你補助他，他們沒有亂搞，然後說它可以抗7到12公尺的巨浪，結果沒有這回事嘛，所以那是失敗的，如果他們沒有亂花，他不靠這個東西在生活，而是靠你們的補助款在賺錢，或許還可以接受。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.688 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-29T11:02:39.111000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-29T11:02:45.255000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
至於後面那些東西，能源署給我一個報告，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-29T11:02:45.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-29T11:02:47.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
給我一個報告，你們現在處理到什麼程度。好！ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-29T11:02:48.556000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-29T11:02:55.318000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
部長，我問你，你說那個若在海底暫時沒有污染，這句話現在還有那個嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.655 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-29T11:02:55.318000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-29T11:02:58.759000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
有，因為我問他們，有沒有光電板沉下去，他說沒有啦…… |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-29T11:02:59.119000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-29T11:03:01.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
什麼沒有！ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-29T11:03:01.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-29T11:03:01.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
不要亂說…… |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-29T11:03:02.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-29T11:03:02.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
他們說之前就拆掉了…… |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-29T11:03:02.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-29T11:03:04.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
這講話要負責任，不要不要…… |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-29T11:03:04.620000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-29T11:03:08.581000+08:00 |
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然後第二個是，他的浮臺是塑膠的…… |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-29T11:03:08.581000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-29T11:03:14.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
浮臺是有拉上來，有流到澎湖去，流到四處去…… |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.167 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-29T11:03:14.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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2026-04-29T11:03:24.113000+08:00 |
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有，如果漂到海上的就等於如果是殘渣的話，要把它撈起來，所以我相信他們已經有做了這些事情，我們會再去了解一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-29T11:03:24.113000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-29T11:03:31.254000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
從去年7月到現在快一年了，所以給我一個結論報告，不然那些鄉親很關心。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.067 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-29T11:03:31.254000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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2026-04-29T11:03:38.337000+08:00 |
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我不會很苛責公務人員，我從來不會苛責公務人員，我都很疼惜、鼓勵他們，因為公務人員好不容易讀書、考試做到現有的職務，薪水一點點，薪水這樣少，來這裡被人糟蹋，我沒有辦法接受。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.72 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-29T11:03:38.397000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-29T11:03:56.403000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
部長，我常常跟部長這樣說，我也跟次長鼓勵，這樣可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-29T11:03:56.403000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-29T11:03:57.403000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
是，多謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-29T11:03:57.403000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-29T11:03:58.403000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
多謝委員，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-29T11:03:56.983000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-29T11:03:57.563000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
好，次長請回，我要問部長的事。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-29T11:03:57.663000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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2026-04-29T11:04:00.224000+08:00 |
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有關麥寮電廠一號機、三號機的燃煤發電5月份還是明後天要開始燃煤發電，這是真的、假的？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.784 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-29T11:04:20.248000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-29T11:04:27.712000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
因為我們沒有參與，這個應該是能源署或是經濟部要負責處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-29T11:04:28.673000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-29T11:04:36.177000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
所以今天羅廷瑋他們提這個空污法修正案，就是因為對於燃煤的發電廠非常痛恨嘛！對、對。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.649 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-29T11:04:37.338000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-29T11:04:47.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
所以這個法一開始，開宗明義就是要修這個而已，結果不曉得砍下去會傷到八千多間有用鍋爐的私人公司，重點是這樣嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.62 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-29T11:04:49.424000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-29T11:05:12.398000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
所以要燃煤當然是因為我們在波斯灣那邊要石油、要液態天然氣，現在石油有72%來自於波斯灣，32%的液態天然氣來自於卡達，卡達現在停產了，所以用燃煤來補充，這個我們也可以理解。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-29T11:05:13.239000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:05:30.688000+08:00 |
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昨天在恆春的核三廠，原能會在那邊做說明，我從頭到尾就說，我支持的是核一、核二、核三、核四都要重啟，我們才有基礎電力嘛，不然這個是誰給我們的壓力？ |
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0.794 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-29T11:05:31.408000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:05:32.489000+08:00 |
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我們很肯定我們賴總統，他做這種決策不簡單，急轉彎呢！ |
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0.913 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-29T11:05:32.650000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:05:32.710000+08:00 |
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這是誰的壓力？ |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-29T11:05:32.810000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:05:33.230000+08:00 |
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當然是美國的壓力嘛。 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-29T11:05:33.711000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:05:36.473000+08:00 |
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部長，我現在要說的就是，如果有燃煤，你們就要很注意了。 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-29T11:05:48.578000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:05:57.367000+08:00 |
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我們屏東，我要再講一次屏東，這個是大武山，這個是……來，怎麼又沒有了？ |
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0.929 |
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彭部長啓明 |
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2026-04-29T11:05:59.733000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:05:59.733000+08:00 |
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這個是空污喔！ |
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0.333 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-29T11:06:02.114000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:06:05.575000+08:00 |
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我看不到，這是空污喔，部長，你看看這樣有沒有漏氣啦，嚇死人啦！ |
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0.385 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-29T11:06:05.996000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:06:06.816000+08:00 |
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你看看，我以為螢幕又壞掉了。 |
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0.833 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-29T11:06:06.836000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:06:32.781000+08:00 |
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這個大武山的高度三千公尺，剛好像一個大武之牆，就像一個Walmart這樣一面牆，全部高雄市八百多支煙囪排放出去的東西都往那邊去。 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-29T11:06:32.961000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:06:41.888000+08:00 |
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這樣有幾個效應，第一個是大武山擋下來的效應；第二個就是東北季風的整個口袋效應，飛到那裡整個都積在屏東。 |
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0.766 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-29T11:06:43.329000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:07:08.960000+08:00 |
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我們屏東有夠倒楣的，全部都在這裡，也沒賺到湯，也沒賺到肉，都只賺到PM2.5跟什麼VOCs、NOx啦，還有一些臭氧O3，這些東西搞一搞二次曝曬就會產生PM2.5跟PM10，導致我們一大堆心血管疾病、呼吸道疾病。 |
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0.693 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-29T11:07:10.460000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:07:16.483000+08:00 |
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部長，我跟你說一個data，你剛剛有講到臺灣的PM2.5平均是16、15嘛。12.8。 |
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0.828 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-29T11:07:16.503000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:07:16.503000+08:00 |
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真的嗎？ |
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0.333 |
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彭部長啓明 |
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2026-04-29T11:07:22.675000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:07:24.956000+08:00 |
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這是手動的數據，手動的比較標準啦，對啦。 |
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0.588 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-29T11:07:26.457000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:07:34.202000+08:00 |
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高雄林園大林蒲那邊差不多18到20，屏東是21到25，屏東潮州太武山的山腳下是24到28，快要一倍半，然後臭氧都是極高。 |
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0.651 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-29T11:07:49.356000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:08:09.426000+08:00 |
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你們的監測站，我有去看潮昇國小還是什麼國小有一個空氣監測站是在平地，部長，我這邊跟你要求，你可以在大武山的山腳下或是半山腰設一個監測站，我們去那邊監測最準。 |
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0.722 |
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彭部長啓明 |
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2026-04-29T11:08:14.778000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:08:16.600000+08:00 |
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好，我們來評估一下…… |
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0.875 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-29T11:08:16.600000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:08:17.600000+08:00 |
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你去評估一下，那個不用花多少錢啦。 |
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彭部長啓明 |
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2026-04-29T11:08:17.600000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:08:18.600000+08:00 |
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評估一下，好。 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-29T11:08:16.660000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:08:35.564000+08:00 |
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預防性的降載嘛，不然那個口袋效應，我們當地民眾罹患心血管疾病會那麼多，我本來以為住在山腳下或是在山上的人算是住在天堂，結果發現可憐，他們是住在高度污染地區，他們的肺腺癌也不少。 |
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0.667 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-29T11:08:37.966000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:08:57.742000+08:00 |
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因為他們是弱勢嘛，我們的主席，你要顧你們原住民朋友，不要讓他們再繼續在那邊受害，我們原住民的平均壽命是少平地少10歲。 |
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0.808 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-29T11:08:57.742000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:09:11.230000+08:00 |
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現在比較好了，現在少7歲，所以我們是有在努力，盧縣一很努力，我們是隨時能夠幫忙他們醫療等等，我們都要來努力啦！ |
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0.958 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-29T11:09:13.211000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:09:16.134000+08:00 |
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具體的要求就是他們要設一個站，好不好？ |
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0.882 |
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彭部長啓明 |
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2026-04-29T11:09:16.574000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:09:16.995000+08:00 |
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好，我們來評估一下。 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-29T11:09:17.015000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:09:19.077000+08:00 |
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我們大潮州地區山腳下屏東平原，你們以為那邊非常好，結果沒有，那邊很糟糕，好不好？ |
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0.6 |
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彭部長啓明 |
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2026-04-29T11:09:19.097000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:09:19.938000+08:00 |
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好，我們來評估一下，謝謝委員。謝謝。 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-29T11:09:19.938000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:09:20.298000+08:00 |
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謝謝蘇清泉委員的質詢。 |
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0.7 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-29T11:09:20.798000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-29T11:09:23.940857+08:00 |
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接下來請黃秀芳委員質詢。 |
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