| IVOD_ID |
168924 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168924 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-29T10:56:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-29T11:09:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6301273cb2dfee8482d380feb1753997c71d97a3abd7207418096c5e05de57c6e5986559e7e11f9b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:56:33 - 11:09:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：（上午9時起）
審查
一、委員羅廷瑋等43人擬具「空氣污染防制法第二十七條、第二十八條及第三十條條文修正草案」案。
二、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「空氣污染防制法第三十條條文修正草案」案。
【詢答及處理】
【4月29日上午9時起及下午2時30分起為一次會】） |
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今天這個法案我們就大體討論 |
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然後就辦公聽會,然後再來審法條讓大家各退一步,部長這樣可以嗎?謝謝委員,這個是我們也期待的,因為這個的確需要大家多一點溝通啦謝謝,謝謝委員我們怕傷及無辜嘛,這個次長剛剛最擔心的嘛,怕傷及無辜來,我們現在講嚴肅的問題,下一張再下一張,這個是去年丹娜斯颱風 |
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我這裡有質詢,那個就是海上光電板那一件事就不見了,那我跟大家報告 |
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我們現在沿海的邦寮、加東、東港這些鄉親市長,他也是很關心因為光電板都在海底四十多公尺,都帶在沙子裡面反正你說那些光電板沒有什麼災難,沒有什麼汙染是這樣嗎?部長部長因為這個主管能源署能源署署長 |
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你現在把那個H1的實驗性質也罷了那你現在你當初給他贊助支出一億兩一億三千多萬那你在我們陳欣暉他們開的那個記者會這個案子是失敗了失敗嘛那你現在 |
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我剛剛問了兩個問題,光電盤是不是就暫時擱置在那裡,有沒有汙染第二個你們要當初能源署的代理署長說要做一回一些補助那現在做了怎麼樣 |
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第一個它這個是一個業界科專的計畫那業界的科專計畫當時提出申請的時候我們要求他去做一些不但是政府如果是通過的話政府會提供他補助他自己也要提供相對的這個金額除此之外的話內容的部分我們要求他要做一些的科學的驗證 |
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這個是第一個第二個部分剛剛委員所關心的事實上在去年的這個颱風之前他已經把那個光電板已經拆掉了那委員你這個照片看的一個部分支架它是有一些伏台的一個支架啦它會跟台亞嘛對台亞連環的光電板在大鵬灣那裡組合之後拖出去去拆它人家說它風台進行 |
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這個就有點瞎扯啦風太陣仗沒人看到他們就拖拚了起來所以我要跟你盡切實因為有 |
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蛙人部隊退休的人說要來跟我說他們要想去潛水我說不要啦這個因為是那個資產是旭東公司的資產我們不要去碰它那我現在跟市長講說可能有一部分客家但一部分都在海底海底我之前問我們的部長彭部長說那有汙染嗎彭部長說那沒什麼汙染 |
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那我現在要抗勝的就是列隊沒有站起來的,會汙染的就是你們要摧毀你們的補助,這樣兩項而已 |
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前面的那個問題就是麻煩環境部第二個問題的話因為一些科專原來的這個契約的部分那我們這個依照契約來做處理那除了原來的這個他所給付的這些的款項之外後面的這個部分我們是不會再做給付他自己所投資的這個部分的話那當然也因為這一次的一個試驗的一個終止之後他就終止了這個事項 |
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所以你們沒有要跟他做一些補助嗎?他之前能源署的代理署長有這樣說喔?到底你們現在的決定是什麼?我想他的意思應該是說依照契約來處理啦那在這邊跟委員說明,委員也非常的清楚其實台灣的科技的發展除了業界科專之外,還有學界的科專那這些的科專的這個計畫,它不必然是說 |
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他開始提出構想的時候那他馬上就能成真那這個部分政府必須要有一點的鼓勵的一個情勢但是在鼓勵的同時的話我們在契約裡面也要求說他要 |
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所有實驗性質的東西我們可以容忍一些浪費 |
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就是藥品的開發常常都失敗的啊所以失敗我們是可以接受失敗的那你如果是你在補助他 |
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366.432 |
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他們沒有亂搞我說他可以扛7到12公尺的巨浪結果沒有那幾隻所以那是失敗失敗 他們如果說他沒有亂開 他沒有靠這個東西在想我或是靠你幫忙做探測那或許還可以接受那你後面那些東西 你們是 |
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給我一個報告 好不好 給我一個報告 你們現在處理到什麼程度不然我問你 你說那在海底是不是沒有污染這幾個 現在還有嗎因為我問他 就是有沒有光電板沉下去 他說沒有啦什麼沒有啊 不要不要說之前就拆掉了這一點我要負責 不要不要然後第二個是他的這個伏台 那個是這個伏台是要拉上來 要拉上來 |
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那這個如果飄到海上的,等於是如果是殘渣的話這個要把它撈起來啦所以我相信他們已經有做了這些事情那我們會再去了解一下所以 |
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我不會很苛責公務人員,我從來不會苛責公務人員我從來不會,我都會聽他的鼓勵,因為公務人員好不容易苛責特赤做到這個進步,薪水是輸了,薪水減少,來這裡用糟蹋,我沒有辦法接受我常常跟部長這樣說,我也常常跟你們鼓勵 |
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447.244 |
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這樣可以嗎?市長請回,我要問部長的事來這個麥寮電廠1號機3號機的燃煤發電5月份開始要,明天明天後天要開始燃煤,這是真的假的 |
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467.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
494.523 |
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因為我們沒有參與,那這個應該是能源署或是經濟部要來負擔,要來處理今天羅廷偉他們提這個公務,這個就是因為對於發電廠,南美的發電廠非常痛恨嘛所以一開始他開宗明義就是要收債而已結果不知道發下去會不會衝到北京幾間的屬性公司,有用歐陸的,重點是這樣嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
517.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
那所以這要燃煤當然是因為我們在波斯灣那邊要石油要液態天然氣現在都就72%來自於波斯灣石油32%來那個液態天然氣來自於卡達嘛那卡達現在停產了所以用燃煤來補充 |
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518.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
533.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
這個我們也可以理解所以昨天在恆春的河山場園園會在那邊做說明我從頭到尾我就說我支持的是河一、河二、河三、河四都要重啟 |
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534.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
543.493 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
難道有基礎電力嗎?不然這個是誰給我們的壓力?我們很肯定我們賴總統他這樣做這種決策,也不簡單耶極轉彎耶那這是誰的壓力?當然是美國的壓力嘛我今天要講的就是,我們美國如果有,你們就要蓋主意 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
555.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
564.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
我們屏東喔 我要再講一次 屏東這大武山 這個是來 怎麼又沒有了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
576.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
這空汙 哈哈哈哈 你看不看得到 空汙喔不對啦 你看那邊漏氣不啦 嚇死人啦 你看不看得到我以為螢幕又拍了這個大武山喔 他的官都三千公尺那剛才一個大武 只搶一個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
615.313 |
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那有幾個效應,第一個是大午三檔下的效應第二個就是溫北季風整個口袋效應,不會到那裡,整個都積在冰箱冰箱有夠小的,全部都在這裡,不碰到湯不碰到蠟,都碰到PF2.5 |
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618.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
643.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
跟VOC 跟NOX還有一些臭氧O3那這些東西搞一搞二次曝曬就會產生PM2.5 PM10那我們一大堆吸血管疾病 腹瀉道疾病柏廷 我跟你講一個data你剛剛有講到台灣的PM2.5的平均是16 15嗎12.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
649.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
661.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
手動的啦,手動比較有標準啦高雄、臨沿這邊大拿薄鴨差不多18到20啦那屏東市21到25屏東、潮州、太湖山的三角下24到28,差不多一百半然後臭陽都是極高 |
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| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
696.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
那裡面的那個,我有去看潮生國小,潮什麼國小,有一個監測站,空氣監測站,是在平地,那可以不斷要求,你可以在大武山的山腳下,是半山腰,設一個站,我們來那邊測,最準。 |
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719.289 |
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我們來評估一下醫防性的降災,不然如果口袋效應,我們吸血管其實不用那麼多我本來以為在山腳下,在山上的人是非常的住在天堂,結果發現可能住在高度汙染 |
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| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
731.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
他們的肺腺癌也不會救所以這個因為又弱勢嘛我們主席要過你的原住民朋友 |
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735.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
758.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
不要讓他們再繼續這麼受害我們原住民的平均壽命是平地 少平地 少10歲現在比較好了 現在少7歲所以我們是有在努力 盧縣醫也很努力那我們是隨時能夠幫忙他們醫療等等 我們都要來努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
具體的要求就是他們要撤一個站好不好我們來評估一下我們以為那邊非常好結果沒有那邊很糟糕好不好好我們來評估一下謝謝委員謝謝蘇清泉委的質詢 |