| IVOD_ID |
168920 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168920 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-29T10:45:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-29T10:57:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6301273cb2dfee84c075e6d3dbc556fc4294381b535652e6e50068aa1546278671244ce773f284e95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
呂玉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:45:42 - 10:57:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於農業部及所屬單位預算部分。
二、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關第27款直轄市及縣市政府第7項一般性補助款—農業部主管第1目農業部、第2目林業及自然保育署及所屬、第3目農村發展及水土保持署及所屬、第4目漁業署及所屬、第5目動植物防疫檢疫署及所屬、第6目農糧署及所屬、第7目農田水利署部分預算。
三、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於農業部主管：農業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金、農業特別收入基金及農民退休基金。(詢答)
【4月29日及4月30日二天一次會】） |
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嚴格檢疫 |
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確保食安這是我們農業部不可推卸的責任對不對是好那要保障我們民眾的健康我們絕對不能讓任何我們的食安有模糊的空間是不是 |
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都是嘛 對不對那現在因為有新鮮的產品進口到台灣來我們必須要有嚴格的檢疫的這個規定尤其我們食安安全的規範非常的嚴格那部長也都同意了那請問一下我們這次在講馬鈴薯的部分為什麼會在這一次在美方進行關稅談判怎麼會把這個放寬馬鈴薯檢疫的標準作為談判的籌碼 |
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我要第一個跟委員澄清的是我們所有的檢疫的標準是完全沒有變更的包括衛護部的檢驗就是實案的標準也沒有認得變任而有發芽有毒的馬鈴薯是不會讓它入關進行後續的加工這是我必須澄清的然後您這邊講到的是邊境變成一顆一顆 |
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我覺得這是一個誤會因為我們現在目前如果在邊境檢查的第一階段如果看到牙體的時候如果業者願意提改善計畫他拿到指定地點那他還是在邊境檢疫的一環 |
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部長這些你都解釋了我想請問的就是說我們的當時我們的馬鈴薯只要有發芽的是整箱整批整個會不會退出去對不對那現在為什麼不是我要跟委員報告就是我們當初訂芽體的目的是為了防止這個芽體流到田間去種植全世界沒有一個國家在檢疫的時候用芽體當標準為什麼以前是整批現在不要整批 |
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我從我們過去的檢疫的標準來看的話過去的保管這麼嚴格為什麼現在要放棄食安放棄這個檢驗我覺得讓我把全部的觀念釐清以後都釐清了都講了所以我才會針對你的觀念有誤差錯誤漏對 |
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披露的地方我們過去是只要有看到一個一顆馬鈴薯發芽就整櫃退運但是過去幾年來我們看到的很多馬鈴薯整櫃以後可能只有幾顆那我們覺得說用幾顆的時候我們讓業者有另外一個選擇一個貨櫃有幾箱的馬鈴薯 |
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我們一年進口了15萬噸一半以上就是美國進來的就將近7萬噸所以你現在為了美國關稅就放鬆了以這為籌碼放棄食安第一個數字要做一些 |
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那個更正齁 美國借來的7萬噸裡面只有2萬6 有4萬多噸是冷凍調製的部分 冷凍調製的部分是不需要做這樣的一個檢疫 只有2萬6千多噸所以你說在冷鏈裡面的就不會發芽了 |
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冷凍的 還有調齒過的像馬鈴薯條它這樣不會發芽那我們就是要每一顆都要檢驗現在你放寬了你的檢驗不是百分之百的把關喔是百分之六十的檢驗所有的檢驗那剩下的百分之四十的啊就不負責任了嗎不是不是 這個委員可能在邊境的檢查都是用抽驗的全世界都是用抽驗的我們依風險抽驗如果說它違規的話最高的抽驗是足批足貴 |
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但是平常的時候它有一定的標準所以它是一個浮動的那我們現在是以比較嚴格的標準是60%的方式去處理部長我們如果發現了60%之後的話第二關我們就會去抽檢它含有龍葵鹼的含量如果超過200ppm的話我們才退出來那 |
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他檢查了這一顆有那顆沒有你用多少的人力去檢查呢不是所以我說在抄驗的時候你如果抄到 抽到的話如果有 整櫃退整櫃退你抽到龍奎簡是整櫃退 |
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龍奎減超過200我們的病害是整櫃退蟲害的話是經過宣證發芽是當初是為了不讓它淋到田裡種植發芽是不是還有龍奎減我想龍奎減跟發芽它有關係但是它不是說發芽就一定超標因為我們有定龍奎減的標準嘛所以有發芽的話衛福部會來超檢如果超檢超標的時候就整櫃退了 |
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就不會進來了所以有發芽的沒有龍葵檢沒有超過標準的我們就允許他去做這些選別這些選別也是在編織上的一環問題這就是有披露的地方為什麼你檢驗的是這一顆他整個貨櫃有幾萬顆幾億顆的馬鈴薯 |
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你要每一顆去檢驗嗎好 剛發出苗的搞不好檢驗沒有200ppm那如果長得長一點的話就有含有更高的ppm所以你有辦法去有這個人力去把關去檢驗嗎這都是披露的地方我們在後續逐顆檢驗是在 |
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指定的地點業者做選別是由業者去做竹科用那個輸重帶用選別器去做選別選別完合格了以後我們才會發合格檢疫證這個時候他才能完成因為你檢驗的標準只有2%到10%而已啊 |
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非常非常不少 那是衛福部 那是衛福部 法官國人的健康這個不能夠放棄也不能夠 絕對不會 我在這邊保證絕對不會我們這一次的調整完全針對相關的檢疫的標準跟食安的這些標準是完全不變的所以那部長那你們說要增加人力嗎我想當然我們的邊境有各式各樣的 剩下三個月半年的時間這個人力要不要加強你們現在只有113個人 夠嗎我想當然我們 |
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邊境的這些CIQS同仁的不只是我們黃金屬業務量都非常重當然在適當的時間我們如果缺人的話部長你有信心把關這個死案邊境的檢疫更加的嚴格那我請你把你們抽檢的比例來提高 |
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沒有 我們的超檢是依風險的部分所以我剛才說了 風險最高是逐批逐貴風險你很難管控的啦你不知道他到底有多少人發芽了啦你需要人力一顆一顆去檢查我們相關的國際的規範不同的國家 每一個國家說每一個貨品 每一個箱子 每一件東西都來檢查這種抽菸的部分但是他如果抽菸到了以後做選別是輔科 |
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你聽我說當時你是檢查有發芽的整批退櫃所以可以用你剛剛講的標準可是你現在不是你只有抽檢60%而且你檢驗之後2%到10%非常的沒有辦法為我們的食安把關來嚴格標準所以你不能放鬆這個食安的標準我如果開了一櫃它如果超標的話是 |
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那一批的所有貨櫃都去做選擇部長我們希望你要嚴格不要放棄死案一定會死案絕對不能做任何的懲罰籌碼絕對不會好那接下來我想跟部長談到的就是偽農藥的問題喔那之前我有請你們回去研議這個偽農藥的問題因為我們地方有發現偽農藥的話各地方政府發現的話各自處理但是在桃園來講機場或是港口 |
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機場港口跟我們高雄港口一樣都有發現偽農藥的數量都會非常多不會說是像各地方政府這數量少那全國能夠處理偽農藥的只有五家廠商這五家廠商一年能夠處理300公斤的偽農藥部長桃園的偽農藥1645公斤要幾年來處理 |
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所以你們 結果我們的台北官發了文叫桃園 我們地方農業局把這回農藥載走 載去哪裡載去別的地方放而已啊結果我們的 另外我們那個邊境管理的這個房檢署也發了公文來叫我們桃園市政府自己處理怎麼處理 全國就五家 怎麼處理而且這個經費 這個人力 |
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是不是應該中央統籌一下針對我們的機場跟港口這個境外境外來的不是台灣自己的文農藥是境外來的我們應該統一來處理你們回去研議研議的結果怎麼樣我想基本上我們農藥茶貨的處理的地點是在所在地區的地方政府那您所提到的說如果在境外進來的 |
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550.263 |
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558.43 |
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在邊境檢查的時候你們是建議說是由海關那邊來處理我們也曾經做了協調但是相關的這些機關之間的進行的關係我想我們會專案會懲請政院這邊來開相關的協調會一個月了 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
568.851 |
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587.957 |
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一個月了 相關還沒處理是 還沒有辦法去做這樣的一個很認定的因為這個東西絕對不是說誰說了算因為現在的規定就是由地方政府來處理不是 部長你現在跟你離去 你那個觀念要重新來想清楚思維要想一下 |
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我說各地方政府的話他們的數量非常少不到兩件一年不到兩件三件而且公積數非常少他都可以自己處理但是現在針對機場我現在告訴你針對機場跟港口他們的件數非常的多兩百多件他們的尾聲要是幾千公斤的 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
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635.104 |
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所以這個必須要用中央政府跟專責的人力來處理那這樣的話只是地方政府把責任推到海關而已喔這不地方政府喔我講是機場港口境外進來的這就不是地方政府自己在裡面的偽農藥現在的規定就是說所在的地方政府那個地點所在的地方政府處理他從外面進來還在機場啊沒有那是來源都不一樣因為所有的偽農藥都是從國外進來的啦 |
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國內的部分會做成假農藥也是國外進口原料的部分這沒有絕對的部長我們現在針對你回去要研議這個機場跟港口的偽農藥是境外因為他數量多跟各地方政府不一樣地方政府的話只有兩件三件數量非常幾公斤而已現在是幾千公斤的東西所以我們希望 |
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部長 這個一定要延誼 由中央政府來統籌我們會把委員的意見 跟海關做協調你要積極去延誼溝通 橫向溝通好不好 不要一直放到那邊已經一個月來放到那邊溝通不是那麼單純 就像委員所說的你們認為是海關 海關認為是地方政府就是這樣子 |
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海關怎麼是地方政府處理的啊這個境外第一個 境外進來的第二個 機場跟港口第三個 這個必須中標統籌因為這五家他一年處理三百公斤這個一兩幾千公斤的這個偽農藥沒有辦法處理你們要找出處理的辦法我了解我們會共同努力來解決這個問題啦好 請積極好不好不要放到那邊管是好 謝謝李議員委員我站了五分鐘 |
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呂委員玉玲 |
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2026-04-29T10:45:42+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:45:43+08:00 |
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謝謝主席，請陳部長。 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-29T10:45:43+08:00 |
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1 |
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請農業部陳部長。部長。 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-04-29T10:45:44+08:00 |
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1 |
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委員好。 |
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呂委員玉玲 |
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嚴格檢疫，確保食安，這是農業部不可推卸的責任，對不對？是。 |
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1 |
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呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-04-29T10:46:09.038000+08:00 |
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好，要保障民眾健康，我們絕對不能讓我們的食安有任何模糊的空間，是不是？是。 |
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0.906 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
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2026-04-29T10:46:17.222000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:46:17.602000+08:00 |
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都是嘛！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
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2026-04-29T10:46:18.083000+08:00 |
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對不對？ |
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| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-04-29T10:46:19.083000+08:00 |
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現在生鮮產品進口到臺灣來，我們必須要有嚴格的檢疫規定，尤其食安的規範非常嚴格，部長也都同意了。 |
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呂委員玉玲 |
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2026-04-29T10:46:29.470000+08:00 |
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那請問一下，我們這次在講馬鈴薯的部分，這一次與美方進行關稅談判，怎麼會把放寬馬鈴薯檢疫標準作為談判的籌碼？ |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-04-29T10:46:42.358000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:46:59.288000+08:00 |
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第一個我要跟委員澄清的是，我們所有的檢疫標準是完全沒有變更的，包括衛福部的檢驗，就是食安的標準也沒有任何變更，任何有發芽、有毒的馬鈴薯不會讓它入關進行後續加工，這是我必須澄清的。好。 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-04-29T10:47:00.088000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:47:20.026000+08:00 |
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然後您這邊講到的是邊境變成一顆一顆，我覺得這是一個誤會，現在在邊境檢查的第一階段，如果看到芽體的時候，若業者願意提改善計畫，他拿到指定地點，那他還是在邊境檢疫的一環，經過…… |
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0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
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2026-04-29T10:47:21.447000+08:00 |
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部長，這些你都解釋了。對。 |
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呂委員玉玲 |
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2026-04-29T10:47:23.648000+08:00 |
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我想請問的就是，當時我們的馬鈴薯，只要有發芽的，是整箱、整批、整個貨櫃退出去，對不對？ |
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0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
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2026-04-29T10:47:33.772000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:47:34.493000+08:00 |
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現在為什麼不是？ |
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| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
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2026-04-29T10:47:35.193000+08:00 |
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我要跟委員報告，我們當初定芽體的目的是為了防止這個芽體流到田間去種植，全世界沒有一個國家在檢疫的時候用芽體當標準…… |
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0.981 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
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部長，這些不用解釋，為什麼以前是整批，現在不要整批？ |
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0.636 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-04-29T10:47:49.779000+08:00 |
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我從我們過去的檢疫標準來看的話…… |
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1 |
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呂委員玉玲 |
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2026-04-29T10:47:52.621000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:47:53.481000+08:00 |
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過去法規這麼嚴格，為什麼現在要放棄食安、放棄這個檢驗？ |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
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2026-04-29T10:47:53.481000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:47:54.102000+08:00 |
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你要聽我講完，讓我把全部的觀念釐清以後，不然…… |
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0.65 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
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2026-04-29T10:47:54.222000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:48:07.550000+08:00 |
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都釐清了、都講了，所以我才會針對你的觀念有誤差、錯誤、紕漏的地方請教部長…… |
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0.844 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
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2026-04-29T10:48:07.830000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:48:24.304000+08:00 |
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對，我們過去是只要有看到一顆馬鈴薯發芽就整櫃退運，但是過去幾年來，我們看到很多馬鈴薯整櫃可能只有幾顆，我們覺得幾顆的時候，讓業者有另外一個選擇…… |
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0.985 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
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2026-04-29T10:48:24.304000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-29T10:48:25.305000+08:00 |
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部長，一個貨櫃有幾箱的馬鈴薯？25噸。 |
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0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
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2026-04-29T10:48:28.137000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:48:33.644000+08:00 |
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我們一年進口了15萬噸，一半以上是從美國進來的，將近7萬噸。 |
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0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
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2026-04-29T10:48:33.644000+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-29T10:48:34.644000+08:00 |
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這個要講，7萬噸裡面很多都是…… |
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0 |
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呂委員玉玲 |
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2026-04-29T10:48:33.644000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:48:35.707000+08:00 |
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所以你現在為了美國關稅就放鬆了，你撤回籌碼、放棄食安。 |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
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2026-04-29T10:48:35.907000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:48:55.540000+08:00 |
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第一個，數字要做一些更正，美國進來的7萬噸裡面，有四萬多噸是冷凍調製的部分，冷凍調製的部分不需要做這樣的檢疫，只有兩萬六千多噸…… |
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0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
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2026-04-29T10:48:55.540000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-29T10:48:56.841000+08:00 |
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所以你說在冷鏈裡面的就不會發芽了，是這樣嗎？ |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-29T10:48:59.723000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-29T10:49:03.666000+08:00 |
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冷凍的、還有調製過的像馬鈴薯條就不會發芽。 |
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0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
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2026-04-29T10:49:04.487000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-29T10:49:15.856000+08:00 |
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我們就是每一顆都要檢驗，現在你放寬了，你的檢驗不是百分之百把關，你是60%的檢驗，剩下40%就不負責任了嗎？ |
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0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-29T10:49:15.856000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-29T10:49:36.911000+08:00 |
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不是，委員，在邊境檢查都是用抽驗的，全世界都是用抽驗的，我們依風險抽驗，如果它違規的話，最高的抽驗是逐批逐櫃，但是平常的時候它有一定的標準，所以它是浮動的，我們現在是以比較嚴格的標準，是60%的方式去處理。 |
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0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
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2026-04-29T10:49:37.212000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:49:53.677000+08:00 |
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部長，我們如果發現了60%之後，第二關我們就會去抽檢它含有龍葵鹼的含量，如果超過200 ppm的話，我們才退出來，若檢查到這一顆有、那顆沒有，你用多少的人力去檢查呢？ |
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0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-29T10:49:54.157000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-29T10:49:57.578000+08:00 |
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不是，所以我說在抽驗的時候，如果抽到…… |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
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2026-04-29T10:49:58.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-29T10:49:59.519000+08:00 |
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抽到的話，如果有的話？ |
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0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-29T10:50:00.299000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-29T10:50:00.660000+08:00 |
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在邊境整櫃退…… |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
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2026-04-29T10:50:01.520000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-29T10:50:01.940000+08:00 |
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你抽到…… |
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1 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-04-29T10:50:02.560000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-29T10:50:03.100000+08:00 |
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龍葵鹼是整櫃退，超標…… |
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0.556 |
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呂委員玉玲 |
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2026-04-29T10:50:04.881000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-29T10:50:05.681000+08:00 |
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龍葵鹼超過200 ppm…… |
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0.375 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
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2026-04-29T10:50:05.681000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:50:09.643000+08:00 |
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我們病害是整櫃退，蟲害的話是經過燻蒸。 |
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0.882 |
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呂委員玉玲 |
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2026-04-29T10:50:09.643000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-29T10:50:13.444000+08:00 |
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發芽就可以整櫃退了？ |
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0.222 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-29T10:50:13.444000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-29T10:50:18.025000+08:00 |
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沒有，因為發芽的部分當初是為了不讓它流到田間種植…… |
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0.522 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-29T10:50:19.226000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-29T10:50:20.006000+08:00 |
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發芽是不是含有龍葵鹼？ |
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0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-29T10:50:20.486000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-29T10:50:35.371000+08:00 |
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龍葵鹼跟發芽有關係，但並不是發芽就一定超標，因為我們有訂龍葵鹼的標準，有發芽的話，衛福部會來抽檢，如果抽檢超標的時候就整櫃退了，就不會進來了。 |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-29T10:50:35.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-29T10:50:36.371000+08:00 |
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200 ppm就整櫃退了？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-29T10:50:35.931000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-29T10:50:45.574000+08:00 |
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對，所以有發芽的、龍葵鹼沒有超過標準的，我們就允許他去做這些選別，這些選別也是邊境查驗的一環。 |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-29T10:50:45.574000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-29T10:50:48.716000+08:00 |
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所以部長，這就是有紕漏的地方，為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-29T10:50:48.716000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-29T10:50:55.738000+08:00 |
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你檢驗的是這一顆，整個貨櫃有幾萬顆、幾億顆的馬鈴薯，你要每一顆去檢驗嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-29T10:50:55.738000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:50:58.140000+08:00 |
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好，剛發出苗的搞不好檢驗沒有到200 ppm，如果長得長一點的話就含有更高的ppm，所以你有辦法有人力去把關、去檢驗嗎？ |
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0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-29T10:50:58.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-29T10:50:58.680000+08:00 |
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這都是有紕漏的地方。 |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-29T10:50:58.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-29T10:51:26.584000+08:00 |
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我們後續逐顆檢驗是在指定的地點，業者選別、是由業者逐顆，用那個輸送帶、選別機去選別，選別完合格了以後，我們才會發合格檢疫證，這個時候…… |
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0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-29T10:51:28.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-29T10:51:31.229000+08:00 |
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因為你檢疫的標準只有2%到10%而已，非常非常少。 |
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0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-29T10:51:31.289000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-29T10:51:32.210000+08:00 |
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沒有，那是衛福部，它也是依風險。 |
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0.462 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-29T10:51:33.670000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-29T10:51:37.492000+08:00 |
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所以把關國人的健康不能夠放棄，也不能夠把原則下降。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.609 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-29T10:51:37.492000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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2026-04-29T10:51:46.716000+08:00 |
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絕對不會，我再跟您保證，絕對不會，我們這次的調整，完全針對相關的檢疫標準及食安的標準，這是完全不變的。 |
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0.822 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-29T10:51:47.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-29T10:51:51.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
所以，部長，你們要增加人力嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-29T10:51:51.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-29T10:51:53.659000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
我想當然我們的邊境有各式各樣的…… |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-29T10:51:53.839000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-29T10:51:56.460000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
剩下三個月或半年的時間，這個人力要不要加強，你們現在只有113人夠嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-29T10:51:56.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-29T10:52:10.998000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
當然我們邊境CIQS的這些同仁，不只是我們防檢署，業務量都非常重，當然在適當的時間，我們如果缺人的話，人總…… |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-29T10:52:10.998000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-29T10:52:18.547000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
部長，你有信心把關食安，邊境的檢疫更加嚴格，我請你把你們抽檢的比例提高、再加強。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-29T10:52:19.386000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-29T10:52:24.329000+08:00 |
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沒有，我們的抽檢是依風險，所以我剛才說了，風險最高是逐批逐櫃。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-29T10:52:25.349000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-29T10:52:26.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
風險你很難管控的啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-29T10:52:26.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-29T10:52:29.351000+08:00 |
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你不知道到底有多少會發芽的啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-29T10:52:29.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-29T10:52:31.553000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
你需要人力一顆一顆去檢查，這個要勞動多少人力？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-29T10:52:32.073000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-29T10:52:44.280000+08:00 |
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不是，我們相關的國際規範，不同的國家、沒有一個國家說每一個貨品、每一個箱子、每一件東西都來檢查、都抽驗，但是他如果抽驗到了以後選別是逐顆。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-29T10:52:45.260000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-29T10:52:50.902000+08:00 |
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部長，你聽我說，當時你是檢查到有發芽的整批退櫃，所以可以用你剛剛講的標準。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-29T10:52:51.242000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-29T10:52:54.823000+08:00 |
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可是你現在不是，你只有抽檢60%，而且你檢驗只有2%到10%，非常沒有辦法為我們的食安嚴格把關，你不能放鬆食安標準。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-29T10:52:54.903000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-29T10:53:09.368000+08:00 |
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我跟委員報告，對，我們絕對不會放鬆，我開了一櫃如果超標的話，是那一批的所有貨櫃都去選別。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.59 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-29T10:53:09.368000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-29T10:53:11.629000+08:00 |
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部長，我們希望你要嚴格，不要放棄食安。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-29T10:53:11.629000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-29T10:53:12.629000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
一定會，我們也希望委員能夠支持。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.214 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-29T10:53:12.149000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-04-29T10:53:12.589000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
食安絕對不能做任何的談判籌碼。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-29T10:53:12.589000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-04-29T10:53:12.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
絕對不會、絕對不會。 |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-04-29T10:53:12.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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2026-04-29T10:53:15.971000+08:00 |
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好，接下來我想跟部長談到的就是偽農藥的問題，之前我有請你們回去研議有關偽農藥的問題，因為我們地方有發現偽農藥的話，各地方政府發現是各自處理。 |
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0.954 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-04-29T10:53:16.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-04-29T10:53:45.297000+08:00 |
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但是在桃園來講，在機場或者港口，機場跟高雄的港口一樣，發現偽農藥的數量都會非常多，不像各地方政府數量少。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.936 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-04-29T10:53:45.937000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-04-29T10:53:51.280000+08:00 |
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全國能夠處理偽農藥的只有5家廠商，這5家廠商一年要處理300公斤的偽農藥。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-04-29T10:53:51.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-04-29T10:53:52.061000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
部長，桃園的偽農藥1,645公斤，要幾年來處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-04-29T10:54:00.762000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-04-29T10:54:10.609000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
結果我們的臺北關發了文，叫桃園地方農業局把偽農藥載走，載去哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-04-29T10:54:10.609000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-04-29T10:54:23.979000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
載去別的地方放而已，另外，邊境管理的防檢署也發了公文，叫我們桃園市政府自己處理，怎麼處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-04-29T10:54:24.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-04-29T10:54:26.001000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
全國就5家，怎麼處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-04-29T10:54:26.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-04-29T10:54:40.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
而且這個經費及人力是不是應該由中央統籌一下，針對我們的機場跟港口……這是境外來的，不是臺灣自己的偽農藥，是境外來的，我們應該統一處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-04-29T10:54:40.812000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-04-29T10:54:43.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
你們回去研議的結果怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-04-29T10:54:44.096000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-04-29T10:54:49.020000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
基本上，農藥查獲處理的地點是所在地區的地方政府。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-04-29T10:54:49.721000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-04-29T10:54:50.421000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
您所提到的…… |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-04-29T10:54:51.182000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-04-29T10:54:51.342000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
境外進來的。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-04-29T10:54:52.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-04-29T10:55:00.270000+08:00 |
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在邊境檢查的時候，你們建議是由海關那邊來處理，我們也曾經做了協調，但是相關這些機關之間的競合關係，我們會專案呈請政院開相關的協調會，會來處理…… |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.892 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-04-29T10:55:00.410000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-04-29T10:55:12.451000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
上次也處理了、一個月了，相關的還沒處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.647 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-04-29T10:55:13.712000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-04-29T10:55:15.152000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
對，還沒有辦法去做這樣的…… |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-04-29T10:55:15.152000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-04-29T10:55:17.573000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
所以，部長今天請你…… |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-04-29T10:55:17.573000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-04-29T10:55:22.715000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
因為這個東西絕對不是誰說了算，現在的規定就是由地方政府來處理，地方政府…… |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.879 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-04-29T10:55:24.175000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-04-29T10:55:39.240000+08:00 |
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部長，現在要跟你釐清，你那個觀念要重新想清楚，思維要想一下，我說各地方政府的數量非常少，一年不到兩件、三件，而且公斤數非常少，他都可以自己處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.937 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-04-29T10:55:39.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-04-29T10:55:54.747000+08:00 |
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但是我現在告訴你，針對機場跟港口，他們的件數非常多，兩百多件，他們的偽農藥是幾千公斤的，所以這個必須要由中央政府編列預算跟專責的人力來處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-04-29T10:55:55.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-04-29T10:55:58.310000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
像這樣的話，只是地方政府把責任推到海關而已，因為現在的規定…… |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.704 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-04-29T10:55:59.390000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-04-29T10:56:06.516000+08:00 |
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這不是地方政府，因為機場、港口是境外進來的，這就不是地方政府自己在裡面的偽農藥，這要釐清你的思想…… |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-04-29T10:56:06.516000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-04-29T10:56:11.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
現在的規定就是所在的地方政府，即那個地點所在的地方政府處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-04-29T10:56:12.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-04-29T10:56:13.521000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
它從外面進來還在機場啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-04-29T10:56:14.362000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-04-29T10:56:24.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
沒有，那是來源不一樣，因為所有的偽農藥都是從國外進來的啦，國內的部分會做成假農藥也是國外進口原料的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-04-29T10:56:25.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-04-29T10:56:44.166000+08:00 |
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這沒有絕對的，部長，我們現在針對這部分，你回去要研議，機場跟港口的偽農藥是境外，因為它的數量多，跟各地方政府不一樣，地方政府的話只有兩件、三件，數量非常少，幾公斤而已，現在是幾千公斤的東西，所以我們希望部長一定要研議，由中央政府來統籌…… |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-04-29T10:56:44.166000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-04-29T10:56:48.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
我們會把委員的意見跟海關協調。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-04-29T10:56:48.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-04-29T10:56:51.992000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
請你積極去研議溝通、橫向溝通好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-04-29T10:56:52.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-04-29T10:56:55.074000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
不要一直放在那邊，已經一個月了還放在那邊。 |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-04-29T10:56:55.074000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-04-29T10:57:00.818000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
因為溝通不是那麼單純，就像委員所說的，你們認為是海關，海關認為是地方政府，就是這樣子。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-04-29T10:57:02.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-04-29T10:57:03.539000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
海關怎麼是地方政府？ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-04-29T10:57:03.539000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-04-29T10:57:05.490500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
你們權責分不清楚嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-04-29T10:57:05.490500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-04-29T10:57:07.442000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
他認為應該是地方政府要處理的啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.267 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-04-29T10:57:07.442000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-04-29T10:57:09.083000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
第一個是境外進來的。 |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-04-29T10:57:09.963000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-04-29T10:57:11.084000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
第二個是機場跟港口。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-04-29T10:57:11.624000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-04-29T10:57:22.492000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
第三個，這個必須由中央統籌，因為只有五家，他們一年處理300公斤，幾千公斤的偽農藥沒有辦法處理，你們要不要找出處理的辦法？ |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-04-29T10:57:23.193000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-04-29T10:57:25.894000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
我了解，我們會共同努力來解決這個問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-04-29T10:57:26.095000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-04-29T10:57:26.895000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
好，請積極處理好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-04-29T10:57:27.035000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-04-29T10:57:28.316000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
不要放在那邊不管。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-04-29T10:57:29.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-04-29T10:57:31.619000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
謝謝呂玉玲委員，我已經站了5分鐘，請部長先回座。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.45 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-04-29T10:57:32.119000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-04-29T10:57:35.261857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
下一位質詢請洪毓祥委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0 |