| IVOD_ID |
168920 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168920 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-29T10:45:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-29T10:57:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6301273cb2dfee84c075e6d3dbc556fc4294381b535652e6e50068aa1546278671244ce773f284e95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
呂玉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:45:42 - 10:57:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於農業部及所屬單位預算部分。
二、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關第27款直轄市及縣市政府第7項一般性補助款—農業部主管第1目農業部、第2目林業及自然保育署及所屬、第3目農村發展及水土保持署及所屬、第4目漁業署及所屬、第5目動植物防疫檢疫署及所屬、第6目農糧署及所屬、第7目農田水利署部分預算。
三、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於農業部主管：農業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金、農業特別收入基金及農民退休基金。(詢答)
【4月29日及4月30日二天一次會】） |
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嚴格檢疫 |
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確保食安這是我們農業部不可推卸的責任對不對是好那要保障我們民眾的健康我們絕對不能讓任何我們的食安有模糊的空間是不是 |
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都是嘛 對不對那現在因為有新鮮的產品進口到台灣來我們必須要有嚴格的檢疫的這個規定尤其我們食安安全的規範非常的嚴格那部長也都同意了那請問一下我們這次在講馬鈴薯的部分為什麼會在這一次在美方進行關稅談判怎麼會把這個放寬馬鈴薯檢疫的標準作為談判的籌碼 |
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我要第一個跟委員澄清的是我們所有的檢疫的標準是完全沒有變更的包括衛護部的檢驗就是實案的標準也沒有認得變任而有發芽有毒的馬鈴薯是不會讓它入關進行後續的加工這是我必須澄清的然後您這邊講到的是邊境變成一顆一顆 |
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我覺得這是一個誤會因為我們現在目前如果在邊境檢查的第一階段如果看到牙體的時候如果業者願意提改善計畫他拿到指定地點那他還是在邊境檢疫的一環 |
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部長這些你都解釋了我想請問的就是說我們的當時我們的馬鈴薯只要有發芽的是整箱整批整個會不會退出去對不對那現在為什麼不是我要跟委員報告就是我們當初訂芽體的目的是為了防止這個芽體流到田間去種植全世界沒有一個國家在檢疫的時候用芽體當標準為什麼以前是整批現在不要整批 |
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我從我們過去的檢疫的標準來看的話過去的保管這麼嚴格為什麼現在要放棄食安放棄這個檢驗我覺得讓我把全部的觀念釐清以後都釐清了都講了所以我才會針對你的觀念有誤差錯誤漏對 |
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披露的地方我們過去是只要有看到一個一顆馬鈴薯發芽就整櫃退運但是過去幾年來我們看到的很多馬鈴薯整櫃以後可能只有幾顆那我們覺得說用幾顆的時候我們讓業者有另外一個選擇一個貨櫃有幾箱的馬鈴薯 |
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我們一年進口了15萬噸一半以上就是美國進來的就將近7萬噸所以你現在為了美國關稅就放鬆了以這為籌碼放棄食安第一個數字要做一些 |
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那個更正齁 美國借來的7萬噸裡面只有2萬6 有4萬多噸是冷凍調製的部分 冷凍調製的部分是不需要做這樣的一個檢疫 只有2萬6千多噸所以你說在冷鏈裡面的就不會發芽了 |
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冷凍的 還有調齒過的像馬鈴薯條它這樣不會發芽那我們就是要每一顆都要檢驗現在你放寬了你的檢驗不是百分之百的把關喔是百分之六十的檢驗所有的檢驗那剩下的百分之四十的啊就不負責任了嗎不是不是 這個委員可能在邊境的檢查都是用抽驗的全世界都是用抽驗的我們依風險抽驗如果說它違規的話最高的抽驗是足批足貴 |
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但是平常的時候它有一定的標準所以它是一個浮動的那我們現在是以比較嚴格的標準是60%的方式去處理部長我們如果發現了60%之後的話第二關我們就會去抽檢它含有龍葵鹼的含量如果超過200ppm的話我們才退出來那 |
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他檢查了這一顆有那顆沒有你用多少的人力去檢查呢不是所以我說在抄驗的時候你如果抄到 抽到的話如果有 整櫃退整櫃退你抽到龍奎簡是整櫃退 |
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龍奎減超過200我們的病害是整櫃退蟲害的話是經過宣證發芽是當初是為了不讓它淋到田裡種植發芽是不是還有龍奎減我想龍奎減跟發芽它有關係但是它不是說發芽就一定超標因為我們有定龍奎減的標準嘛所以有發芽的話衛福部會來超檢如果超檢超標的時候就整櫃退了 |
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就不會進來了所以有發芽的沒有龍葵檢沒有超過標準的我們就允許他去做這些選別這些選別也是在編織上的一環問題這就是有披露的地方為什麼你檢驗的是這一顆他整個貨櫃有幾萬顆幾億顆的馬鈴薯 |
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你要每一顆去檢驗嗎好 剛發出苗的搞不好檢驗沒有200ppm那如果長得長一點的話就有含有更高的ppm所以你有辦法去有這個人力去把關去檢驗嗎這都是披露的地方我們在後續逐顆檢驗是在 |
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指定的地點業者做選別是由業者去做竹科用那個輸重帶用選別器去做選別選別完合格了以後我們才會發合格檢疫證這個時候他才能完成因為你檢驗的標準只有2%到10%而已啊 |
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非常非常不少 那是衛福部 那是衛福部 法官國人的健康這個不能夠放棄也不能夠 絕對不會 我在這邊保證絕對不會我們這一次的調整完全針對相關的檢疫的標準跟食安的這些標準是完全不變的所以那部長那你們說要增加人力嗎我想當然我們的邊境有各式各樣的 剩下三個月半年的時間這個人力要不要加強你們現在只有113個人 夠嗎我想當然我們 |
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邊境的這些CIQS同仁的不只是我們黃金屬業務量都非常重當然在適當的時間我們如果缺人的話部長你有信心把關這個死案邊境的檢疫更加的嚴格那我請你把你們抽檢的比例來提高 |
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沒有 我們的超檢是依風險的部分所以我剛才說了 風險最高是逐批逐貴風險你很難管控的啦你不知道他到底有多少人發芽了啦你需要人力一顆一顆去檢查我們相關的國際的規範不同的國家 每一個國家說每一個貨品 每一個箱子 每一件東西都來檢查這種抽菸的部分但是他如果抽菸到了以後做選別是輔科 |
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你聽我說當時你是檢查有發芽的整批退櫃所以可以用你剛剛講的標準可是你現在不是你只有抽檢60%而且你檢驗之後2%到10%非常的沒有辦法為我們的食安把關來嚴格標準所以你不能放鬆這個食安的標準我如果開了一櫃它如果超標的話是 |
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那一批的所有貨櫃都去做選擇部長我們希望你要嚴格不要放棄死案一定會死案絕對不能做任何的懲罰籌碼絕對不會好那接下來我想跟部長談到的就是偽農藥的問題喔那之前我有請你們回去研議這個偽農藥的問題因為我們地方有發現偽農藥的話各地方政府發現的話各自處理但是在桃園來講機場或是港口 |
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機場港口跟我們高雄港口一樣都有發現偽農藥的數量都會非常多不會說是像各地方政府這數量少那全國能夠處理偽農藥的只有五家廠商這五家廠商一年能夠處理300公斤的偽農藥部長桃園的偽農藥1645公斤要幾年來處理 |
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所以你們 結果我們的台北官發了文叫桃園 我們地方農業局把這回農藥載走 載去哪裡載去別的地方放而已啊結果我們的 另外我們那個邊境管理的這個房檢署也發了公文來叫我們桃園市政府自己處理怎麼處理 全國就五家 怎麼處理而且這個經費 這個人力 |
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是不是應該中央統籌一下針對我們的機場跟港口這個境外境外來的不是台灣自己的文農藥是境外來的我們應該統一來處理你們回去研議研議的結果怎麼樣我想基本上我們農藥茶貨的處理的地點是在所在地區的地方政府那您所提到的說如果在境外進來的 |
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558.43 |
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在邊境檢查的時候你們是建議說是由海關那邊來處理我們也曾經做了協調但是相關的這些機關之間的進行的關係我想我們會專案會懲請政院這邊來開相關的協調會一個月了 |
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587.957 |
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一個月了 相關還沒處理是 還沒有辦法去做這樣的一個很認定的因為這個東西絕對不是說誰說了算因為現在的規定就是由地方政府來處理不是 部長你現在跟你離去 你那個觀念要重新來想清楚思維要想一下 |
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我說各地方政府的話他們的數量非常少不到兩件一年不到兩件三件而且公積數非常少他都可以自己處理但是現在針對機場我現在告訴你針對機場跟港口他們的件數非常的多兩百多件他們的尾聲要是幾千公斤的 |
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607.503 |
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635.104 |
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所以這個必須要用中央政府跟專責的人力來處理那這樣的話只是地方政府把責任推到海關而已喔這不地方政府喔我講是機場港口境外進來的這就不是地方政府自己在裡面的偽農藥現在的規定就是說所在的地方政府那個地點所在的地方政府處理他從外面進來還在機場啊沒有那是來源都不一樣因為所有的偽農藥都是從國外進來的啦 |
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638.994 |
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國內的部分會做成假農藥也是國外進口原料的部分這沒有絕對的部長我們現在針對你回去要研議這個機場跟港口的偽農藥是境外因為他數量多跟各地方政府不一樣地方政府的話只有兩件三件數量非常幾公斤而已現在是幾千公斤的東西所以我們希望 |
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部長 這個一定要延誼 由中央政府來統籌我們會把委員的意見 跟海關做協調你要積極去延誼溝通 橫向溝通好不好 不要一直放到那邊已經一個月來放到那邊溝通不是那麼單純 就像委員所說的你們認為是海關 海關認為是地方政府就是這樣子 |
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海關怎麼是地方政府處理的啊這個境外第一個 境外進來的第二個 機場跟港口第三個 這個必須中標統籌因為這五家他一年處理三百公斤這個一兩幾千公斤的這個偽農藥沒有辦法處理你們要找出處理的辦法我了解我們會共同努力來解決這個問題啦好 請積極好不好不要放到那邊管是好 謝謝李議員委員我站了五分鐘 |