| IVOD_ID |
168913 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168913 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-29T10:27:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-29T10:37:19+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6301273cb2dfee84736585ce8f7d0cb74294381b535652e6e50068aa15462786bf58e434f61d1a005ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:27:08 - 10:37:19 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於農業部及所屬單位預算部分。
二、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關第27款直轄市及縣市政府第7項一般性補助款—農業部主管第1目農業部、第2目林業及自然保育署及所屬、第3目農村發展及水土保持署及所屬、第4目漁業署及所屬、第5目動植物防疫檢疫署及所屬、第6目農糧署及所屬、第7目農田水利署部分預算。
三、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於農業部主管：農業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金、農業特別收入基金及農民退休基金。(詢答)
【4月29日及4月30日二天一次會】） |
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好 下位質詢請鄭天才委員主席有請部長請農業部陳部長 |
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部長,從昨天開始,大家都非常關切美國花生零關稅的事情。部長,你們什麼時候知道的? |
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我想我們在談判的內容裡面大概就會針對整體的農業跟不同的品項去做這些互相的一個協商在那個協商的內容在我們當初的簡報我們也提出來了就是花生的部分是零關稅但是花生在美國現在目前進口只有1%不到它主要的進口是印度阿根廷跟巴西但是我們也會關注長期的影響 |
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會提出一個完整的配套的作為什麼配套 |
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我想台灣的花生有特殊的香氣台灣的品牌都是以鮮食帶殼的為主所以說配套這個就是配套那配套第一個就是我們導入我們的集團栽培我們會導入我們的區域的加工就是這些乾燥的一個中心讓農民不再就是在馬路上曬這個這個花生殼我們會採購私甲的收購然後必要的時候我們會做這些產業的這些轉做的調整好 |
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部長經過這樣的一個協助之後花生台灣產的花生的價格會是多少?預估我想我們的目標是不希望台灣現在目前的花生的價格會降低現在的價格大概是70到80之間產地價的部分所以還是沒有解決問題所以這個部分這個 |
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聽了我早上你的答選包括昨天的我聽了還是過去我們家都是種花生的從小時候我也是種花生的所以這個部分聽了老半天還是沒有一個解決方案希望你們多多聽起農民的聲音尤其是花生農的聲音 |
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所以當初啊這個提出這個因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安任性特別條例的時候那時候知道這個發生的問題嗎在那個時候還沒有還沒有好所以當初還沒有所以也這個經費預算提出來的時候也還沒有是那這個預算 |
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現在115年度了還有115年度還沒執行完畢還有116年度可不可以從這邊來因應不 我想整體的部分一定會從這裡來因應同時我們也宣布了我們要成立一個300億的農安基金那這些經費就是會針對在中長期可能必須關注的這些產業做必要而且是及時的一個協助 |
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部長所以這個部分這個一定要多聽起農民的聲音所以除了這個經費的預算還有什麼這個你剛剛講的農安基金但是一定要切合到花生 |
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農民的一個聲音種花生農民的聲音我要跟委員報告齁其實這次案的內容是讓我們有機會去重新翻轉台灣的花生產業那我們一定會跟農民在一起讓我們的台灣的花生的競爭力更具足好 加油齁我們接下來談一些這個很重要的案子齁 |
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這個野生動物保育法21條之一台灣原住民族基於傳統文化而有類譜宰殺或利用野生動物是必要不受這幾條規定的限制這裡面條文都沒有提到是在什麼地區沒有提到原住民族地區沒有提到原住民族地區但是這個所定的這個辦法裡面 |
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竟然就限制在原住民族第七年限制在原住民族第七年是錯誤的因為原住民族基本法第23條規定政府應尊重原住民族選擇生活方式習俗各項的一個這樣的一個權利所以沒有限制在原住民族第七這是第一個 |
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我們看這個海洋基本法海洋基本法第十條政府應建立合一機制尊重維護保存傳統用海智慧等海洋文化資產保障已傳承原住民族傳統用海文化及權益這裡也沒有提到原住民族第七海洋基本法第十六條規定 |
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前項法規制定修正也就是說兩年內啊海洋基本法施行兩年內必須要配合修正包括你的野生動物保育法包括你的執法包括你的漁業法都要配合修正沒有修正的話就要解釋可以依海洋基本法第16條規定解釋解釋 |
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一頁法第四條規定主管機關未支援管理及一頁結構調整得以公告規定阻力事項禁止限制很多人總共有九款在這樣的規定之下所以你這個一頁法或是一頁保法沒有修正之前就要依海洋基本法第十六條第二項來解釋來解釋 |
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有沒有這種案例呢 有案例啊原子民族基本法第二項也有規定要解釋 三年內沒有修 要解釋那有沒有解釋過 有針對遺業法跟延期法做了解釋不受遺業法第四條第一項公告規定之限制所以呢這個遺業法也必須要依 |
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海洋基本法第十六條的第二項來解釋不受一頁法第四條的規定的限制為什麼要去強調這個部分呢部長還有一頁署還有這個林保署現在原住民族的人口百分之五十幾啊 |
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再度會期有涉戶籍喔52%再度會期如果加上就學就業沒有涉戶籍的70%再度會期所以延期法也就訂了很久規定了政府應尊重原住民族選擇生活方式 |
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他會到渡月期這是必然的過去填台灣本來就是原住民流動的以前翻山越嶺都會從南投信義鄉會遷移到花蓮台東從仁愛鄉會遷移到秀林鄉都會在山上都會 |
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沿海也會所以這個部分要請農業部來去依海洋基本法第16條的第二項來去解釋可以嗎 |
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回應齁 剛才委員所說的很多東西我想基本上在原住民的第19條的部分的規範可以不受限制嘛 不受原法的限制但是一個重點就是原委會還沒有公告相關的海域你沒有公告的話所有東西不能往下走那個部長 署長完全是錯誤海洋基本法沒有規定在原住民族的傳統海域 不一樣啊 |
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傳統海域是另外啊不然你要公告你才能夠做後續的處理你不能說所有的海洋都是屬於相關的符合相關的這個原紀法裡面啊所以你一定要有公告的作為嘛部長我現在談的是海洋基本法海洋基本法是海委會對對對所以你們要跟海洋海洋委員會啊有沒有看到 |
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沒有提到傳統海譯沒有提到傳統海譯好不好這個一定要去依海洋基本法第十條還有第十一條來去解釋好 謝謝好 謝謝曾經任委員 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-04-29T10:27:25.348000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:27:26.389000+08:00 |
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主席，有請部長。 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-29T10:27:26.389000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:27:26.749000+08:00 |
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請農業部陳部長。 |
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1 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-04-29T10:27:26.749000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-29T10:27:36.665000+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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0 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-04-29T10:27:36.665000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:27:39.647000+08:00 |
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部長好。 |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-04-29T10:27:39.647000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:27:48.855000+08:00 |
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從昨天開始大家都非常關切美國花生零關稅的事情，部長，你們什麼時候知道的？ |
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1 |
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陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-04-29T10:27:53.680000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:28:23.831000+08:00 |
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我們在談判的內容裡面大概就會針對整體農業跟不同的品項去互相協商，相關的協商內容在我們當初的簡報也提出來了，就是花生的部分是零關稅，但是目前美國花生進口只有1%不到，主要的進口國是印度、阿根廷跟巴西，但是我們也會關注長期的影響，提出一個完整的配套作為。 |
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0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-04-29T10:28:23.831000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:28:24.231000+08:00 |
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好，什麼配套？ |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-04-29T10:28:26.103000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:28:31.026000+08:00 |
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臺灣的花生有特殊的香氣，臺灣的品牌都是以鮮食帶殼的為主…… |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-04-29T10:28:31.846000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:28:32.047000+08:00 |
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說配套。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
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2026-04-29T10:28:32.707000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:28:33.207000+08:00 |
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這就是配套啊！ |
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0.833 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-04-29T10:28:33.207000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-29T10:28:34.268000+08:00 |
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主要重點。 |
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0 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-04-29T10:28:34.268000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:28:52.220000+08:00 |
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配套第一個就是我們導入我們的集團栽培，我們會導入我們的區域加工，就是這些乾燥中心，讓農民不再在馬路上曬花生殼，我們會採取溼莢收購，必要的時候我們會做這些產業轉作的調整。 |
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0.949 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-04-29T10:28:52.300000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:29:03.624000+08:00 |
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好，部長，經過這樣的協助之後，你們預估臺灣產的花生價格會是多少？ |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-29T10:29:05.304000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:29:14.206000+08:00 |
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我想我們的目標是不希望臺灣現在的花生價格會降低，現在產地的價格大概是70到80元之間。 |
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0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-04-29T10:29:16.467000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:29:46.334000+08:00 |
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所以還是沒有解決問題，這個部分我聽了你早上的答詢，包括昨天的，過去我們家都是種花生的，小時候我也是種花生的，所以這個部分聽了老半天，還是沒有一個解決方案，希望你們多多聽取農民的聲音，尤其是花生農的聲音。 |
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0.957 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-04-29T10:29:47.881000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:30:01.668000+08:00 |
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所以當初提出因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別條例的時候，那時候知道花生的問題嗎？ |
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0.953 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-04-29T10:30:01.668000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:30:02.708000+08:00 |
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在那個時候還沒有。 |
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| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-04-29T10:30:03.168000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:30:03.328000+08:00 |
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還沒有？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-04-29T10:30:04.249000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:30:10.892000+08:00 |
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好，當初還沒有，所以這個經費預算提出來的時候也還沒有？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-04-29T10:30:11.872000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:30:21.785000+08:00 |
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這個預算，現在115年度了，115年度的還沒執行完畢，還有116年度，可不可以從這邊來因應？ |
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0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
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2026-04-29T10:30:22.005000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:30:37.756000+08:00 |
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我想整體的部分一定會從這裡來因應，同時我們也宣布要成立一個300億的農安基金，這些經費會針對中長期可能必須關注的產業做必要且即時的協助。 |
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0.984 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-29T10:30:39.868000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:31:03.450000+08:00 |
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所以這個部分一定要多聽取農民的聲音，除了這個經費預算，還有你剛剛講的農安基金，一定要切合到種花生農民的聲音。 |
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0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
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2026-04-29T10:31:03.830000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:31:16.619000+08:00 |
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我要跟委員報告，其實這次ART的內容讓我們有機會重新翻轉臺灣的花生產業，我們一定會跟農民在一起，讓臺灣花生的競爭力更俱足。 |
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0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-04-29T10:31:18.400000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:31:19.141000+08:00 |
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好，加油！ |
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| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-29T10:31:19.801000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:31:38.017000+08:00 |
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我們接下來談一些很重要的案子，野生動物保育法第二十一條之一規定，臺灣原住民族基於傳統文化、祭儀，而有獵捕、宰殺或利用野生動物之必要者，不受這幾條規定的限制。 |
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0.831 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-04-29T10:31:39.278000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:31:58.348000+08:00 |
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這裡面的條文都沒有提到是在什麼地區，沒有提到原住民族地區，但是所訂的辦法裡面，竟然就限制在原住民族地區內！ |
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0.898 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-04-29T10:32:00.269000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:32:22.020000+08:00 |
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限制在原住民族地區內是錯誤的，因為原住民族基本法第二十三條規定，政府應尊重原住民族選擇生活方式、習俗的各項權利，所以沒有限制在原住民族地區，這是第一個。 |
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| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-04-29T10:32:25.349000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:32:46.648000+08:00 |
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我們看海洋基本法第十條，政府應建立合宜機制，尊重、維護、保存傳統用海智慧等海洋文化資產，保障與傳承原住民族傳統用海文化及權益，這裡也沒有提到原住民族地區。 |
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| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-04-29T10:32:50.531000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:33:18.504000+08:00 |
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海洋基本法第十六條規定「前項法規制（訂）定、修正……前」，也就是兩年內，海洋基本法施行兩年內必須要配合修正，包括野生動物保育法、子法，包括漁業法都要配合修正，沒有修正的話就要解釋，可以依海洋基本法第十六條規定解釋。 |
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0.946 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-04-29T10:33:25.001000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:33:37.585000+08:00 |
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漁業法第四十四條規定「主管機關為資源管理及漁業結構調整，得以公告規定左列事項……」禁止或限制的很多，總共有九款。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.735 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-04-29T10:33:38.905000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:33:55.158000+08:00 |
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在這樣的規定之下，漁業法或野保法沒有修正之前，就要依海洋基本法第十六條第二項來解釋，有沒有這種案例？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-04-29T10:33:55.898000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:33:56.339000+08:00 |
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有案例。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-04-29T10:33:58.140000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:34:06.808000+08:00 |
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原住民族基本法第二項也規定，三年內沒有修要解釋，那有沒有解釋過？有。 |
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0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-04-29T10:34:09.430000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:34:36.071000+08:00 |
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針對漁業法跟原基法做了解釋，「不受漁業法第四十四條第一項公告規定之限制」，所以漁業法也必須要依海洋基本法第十六條第二項來解釋，不受漁業法第四十四條規定的限制。 |
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0.849 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-04-29T10:34:37.111000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:34:38.412000+08:00 |
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為什麼要強調這個部分？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-04-29T10:34:40.073000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:34:57.841000+08:00 |
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部長還有漁業署、林保署，現在原住民族人口百分之五十幾在都會區，有設戶籍的喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.794 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-29T10:34:58.401000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:35:08.185000+08:00 |
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52%在都會區，如果加上就學、就業，沒有設戶籍的70%在都會區。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.708 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-04-29T10:35:12.286000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:35:42.697000+08:00 |
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原基法也訂了很久，規定「政府應尊重原住民族選擇生活方式」之權利，他會到都會區，這是必然的，過去原住民本來就是在全臺灣流動的，以前也都會翻山越嶺，從南投信義鄉會遷移到花蓮、臺東，從仁愛鄉會遷移到秀林鄉，這些都會！ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.785 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-29T10:35:42.697000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:35:56.344000+08:00 |
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在山上都會、沿海也會，所以這個部分要請農業部依海洋基本法第十六條第二項去解釋，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-29T10:36:03.703000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:36:18.106000+08:00 |
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剛才委員所說的很多東西，我想基本上在原住民部分第十九條的規範，可以不受漁業法的限制，但是一個重點就是，原委會還沒有公告相關的海域，沒有公告的話所有的東西就不能往下走。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.896 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-29T10:36:21.926000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:36:31.508000+08:00 |
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部長、署長，完全是錯誤，海洋基本法沒有規定在原住民族的傳統海域，也不一樣啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-29T10:36:33.277000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:36:34.097000+08:00 |
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傳統海域是另外…… |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-29T10:36:35.618000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:36:44.065000+08:00 |
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要公告，你才能夠做後續的處理，你不能說所有海洋……都是符合相關的、原基法裡面的啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-29T10:36:44.746000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:36:46.287000+08:00 |
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所以一定要有公告的作為。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-29T10:36:47.268000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:36:49.970000+08:00 |
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部長，我現在談的是海洋基本法。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-29T10:36:50.671000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:36:53.493000+08:00 |
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海洋基本法是海委會的。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-29T10:36:53.493000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:36:57.637000+08:00 |
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對，所以你們要跟海洋委員會……有沒有看到？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-29T10:36:59.593000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-29T10:37:01.295000+08:00 |
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沒有提到傳統海域。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-29T10:37:01.555000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:37:04.558000+08:00 |
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沒有提到傳統海域啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-29T10:37:05.419000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-29T10:37:06.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-29T10:37:07.581000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:37:15.829000+08:00 |
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這個一定要依海洋基本法第十條還有第十一條去解釋。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-29T10:37:15.989000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T10:37:16.329000+08:00 |
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謝謝鄭天財委員，部長先回座。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-29T10:37:16.829000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-29T10:37:18.543286+08:00 |
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現在休息8分鐘。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-29T10:37:18.843286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-29T10:37:19.986143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
休息（10時37分） |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-29T10:37:20.286143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-29T10:37:22.000429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
繼續開會（10時45分） |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-29T10:37:22.300429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-29T10:37:32.586143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
列席官員請先就座，會場儘量保持肅靜，像交談的時候請放低音量，以免影響到議事進行。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-29T10:37:32.886143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-29T10:37:34.886143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
好，我們繼續開會。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-29T10:37:35.186143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-29T10:37:38.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
下一位質詢請呂玉玲委員。 |
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0 |