| IVOD_ID |
168905 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168905 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-29T10:05:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-29T10:17:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6301273cb2dfee84f0e66242bab596dc4294381b535652e6e50068aa15462786bb7f1b8e8d3d49e25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:05:07 - 10:17:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於農業部及所屬單位預算部分。
二、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關第27款直轄市及縣市政府第7項一般性補助款—農業部主管第1目農業部、第2目林業及自然保育署及所屬、第3目農村發展及水土保持署及所屬、第4目漁業署及所屬、第5目動植物防疫檢疫署及所屬、第6目農糧署及所屬、第7目農田水利署部分預算。
三、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於農業部主管：農業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金、農業特別收入基金及農民退休基金。(詢答)
【4月29日及4月30日二天一次會】） |
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下一位質詢 請楊瓊英委員謝主席 楊瓊英發言 邀請部長請農業部陳部長 |
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因為現在極端的氣候加劇尤其溫室效應的結果我們來討論一個天然災害的議題 |
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那因為一旦如果被歸類為非天然災害的時候那即使跟氣候它異常高度有相關它還是沒有辦法去啟動救助的機制尤其除了颱風、豪雨的傳統天災之外現在農業損害的形態已經很明顯的來變化 |
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那這個變化包括了病蟲害的擴散那野生動物這個侵擾環境變動所引發出的複合式的一個農損它似乎我們看到最近它是成為一個常態所以本席要請教過去我們農業部經常會說可以透過技術來改善為理由排除了病蟲害的損失在救助的範圍內 |
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在就住的範圍內所以氣候變件的風險等於是轉嫁到農民自己來承擔在制度明顯沒有跟風險結構同步調整的時候所以本席首先要請教部長當農損已經由單一天災轉為氣候驅動的複合型風險 |
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那現在我們還是以天然災害作為唯一鑑定的一個門檻那我們是不是覺得應該要去調整去調整真正的調整方案出來協助我們的農民他們的一個損失來請做說明謝謝委員對這個議題的關心那我們內部已經在重新啟動一些評估 |
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那一個重點就是過往天然災害大概就是對植物體本身的產量跟植株本身的受損去做救助但是當你的異常天候除了植物體影響也會影響到病蟲害的發生的週期跟密度 |
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但是這個發生的週期跟密度現在天然災害是沒有去做救助的那我有一個很基本的觀念就是如果這種天然災害異常天候引起的病床害的一個繁殖週期改變讓農民沒有辦法預先能夠想到或因應的時候那應該是可以考慮納入天然災害但是有一個重點就是 |
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它必須是有一致性跟普遍性的不是說一個農民兩個農民受損我們就來處理當然還是有它的趨勢剛剛您說的你們也開始在啟動因為大家看到這個問題就是要去解決問題這一些因子要怎麼樣納入真正照顧農民那你們多久時間會研議出來呢 |
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我想我們委員長我們一定會有用非常積極的速度一個月內將這些複合型的農損包括病蟲害的擴散野生動物的侵擾等環境變動的這些因子你們好好去討論來納入一個月後告訴社會大眾讓農民能夠安心接下來我們討論也就是在這個 |
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美國的國外貿易障礙報告裡頭那台灣呢在台美對等的貿易協定ART當中呢針對花生的市場那你們現在說承諾零關稅並豁免特別防衛措施是不是啊 |
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是不是啊 有沒有這回事啊應該這麼講就是我們的特別防衛SSG的部分當你是零乾稅的時候就沒有SSG啦對啊對但是我要跟委員報告您看了這張因為您告訴我們說 |
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你說從美國進口的占比不到1%但是你又很坦白的說會有2到3成的花生農會受到影響這個數字對等嗎我要特別跟委員說明我們胡適在說的時候有一個前提就是說 |
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長時間來看的時候美國現在只有一person然後如果因為價格的因素價格的因素而且政府沒有任何的支持作為的話可能會有兩到三成的影響所以你看到現在我們 |
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對 你這一句話很重要不是單一這樣子看因為如果公安數字就知道有貓膩在裡面目前花生75%是我們國產我們台灣的花生是世界讚的 |
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所以我們要更加努力去維持對啊 那進口的現在目前是25%你說占比美國進來的1%但是 誠如你說的現在它幾乎是去殼的是每公斤4.7克那我們的是多少啊 |
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我們的是多少?100多嗎?對,140對啊,甚至150、160啊那怎麼可能不衝擊到我們的花生農呢? |
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對不對所以你會以價格看好像是會衝擊但是您就剛才有說其實台灣花生有它的特色我們用價值去取代價格的戰爭不能一個政策讓農民自行去承擔那個風險絕對不會我們絕對不會所以我們會有一個完整的我們從頭到尾在談判的時候您也都一再強調本集一直問一定要先行照顧國內的農民為第一優先要件 |
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不能讓他們受損 對不對現在承諾 是不是還是如此你現在還是如此 但是你看到的這個風險呢你一架子馬鈴薯 要開放技術性的規下現在到底要怎麼辦我想委員是一個非常明理的委員我們標準完全沒有改變我們的所有的檢疫標準我們發芽的絕對不會讓它入關 |
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我們的所有的標準都不會變只是在處理的程序來講就算拉到指定的地點去選別的時候也是在邊境的檢查的一環只要有巴雅的全部不能進來這是我們承諾而且一定會做的 |
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一個禮拜內的這個期間 又有說要足科每一科都要去檢查 會不會足科檢查會不會足科檢查 還是抽驗在指定地點選別的時候 它是用輸送在選別 由業者看在我們的監督之下去處理的一個政府連一個馬鈴薯 |
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花了那麼多禮拜還是講不清楚接下來再來一個花生所以請教部長喔針對花生的這個事情喔那你認為你說要叫他們去改變種這個毛豆啊輔導他們做甘薯但是每一個地形地物以及他的這個土壤特色氣候你們的規劃要怎麼辦這一個結論告訴你請你們要好好的 |
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讓我們的農民能夠安心不要技術性的跪下那你至於你說要轉做什麼甘薯啊毛豆的這些配套必須要做好必須要做好我跟委員非常簡單的說明您剛才一直提到轉做都是媒體在下標的時候那事實上轉做不是一個我們的目的我們的目的是在支持我們台灣國產的花生留在更有競爭力部長難怪我敬佩你 |
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你終於講出這一題提問的最重要的精神 |
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你的地形 地物 土壤 氣候 水質你可以溯息嗎這不是只有口號去讓人民安心耶實際的行動要怎麼樣照顧真正的花生農這才是重點嘛所以當媒體或寫錯你還是要請他們要把你真正的目標 你的方法要請他們寫明清楚啊對 我們昨天下午就有發的澄清稿我們也做了非常詳細的一個說明 |
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我種花生的我現在要改為種韓族種這個毛豆會輸是嗎 |
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對不對所以一定要理清楚我們一個原則還是一定要好好的照顧照顧我們的國內的我們的農民這是首重重要不可以口號之國不可以技術性的跪下這是我們都已經承諾的一個原則我們絕對不會這樣子所以你把方案來給本席最後一個議題我給你2015年5月份開始你們去推動這個美容定型化的契約利益很好 |
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但到目前為止 楊信陽做幾家?有做嗎?有做嗎?沒有辦家 那你接下來我請問已經要一年了 |
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你等於是很老民嘛你的配套都沒有做好 你連銀行沒有一家要願意做讓我們的毛小孩的父母啊很緊張欸 讓業者也不知所措欸我即使要去做 沒一間銀行要給我做你可以做這樣的配套嗎 經過了一年 我請問你接下來要怎麼辦 |
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我跟委員 我說明齁就是有關於寵物美容的企業大概分兩個層次一個層次是法規面的部分那法規面莫以我們已經納入非常多的一個意見已經大概 不管是毛小孩的氏族或是美容業的氏族請你針對議題來回答因為我們討論已經站上來 他是一個小型態對 在實務上本身齁我覺得我們有必須要檢討的空間 |
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626.82 |
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641.727 |
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你利益很好但是你要怎麼去落實你根本落實不了你完全沒有配方連最根本的銀行都沒有一間要跟你做你經過了一年你還不拿出方案出來那個定型化的企業的部分在下個月的部分就有那個貧寶協會願意來承作 |
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644.888 |
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653.513 |
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同業來承保 這個部位要五月份就可以我個人如果每一次在討論的時候你就跟我說我下個禮拜我下個禮拜因為本席認為說一個一年一個政策你弄到沒有一家銀行願意做你干擾了我們所有毛小孩的事主很緊張你也干擾了所有的業者 |
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669.787 |
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672.95 |
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他們也很緊張一個政府的政策怎麼可以如此讓三方都輸呢我跟委員報告要做定型化契約本身的這些信託的部分它只有是什麼你預先繳錢超過一萬塊你如果說月繳或次繳的話完全都不用所以它的這個內容很清楚所以你必須一個政策 |
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693.389 |
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700.115 |
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結果論就是你要完成所有的配套那你在執行一年有所困難連銀行都沒有一家要做的時候你的內容到底要怎麼樣調整你是要暫緩還是要怎麼樣你要告訴我們三方啊你要告訴業者啊你要告訴銀行端你要告訴市主啊才不會整個市場大家人心不安我已經跟鄧老師有討論過因為我們已經公告了一年 |
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739.026 |
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然後我剛才說了在資金面我們的確有做不好的地方我們會來努力在五月的時候五月中的時候就有所謂的同業的貧寶協會來做城堡那這樣的話就能夠解決相關的問題部長要加油啦不能讓我們的毛小孩的事主以及業者大家人心惶惶了謝謝楊瓊議員 |