| IVOD_ID |
168894 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168894 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-29T09:35:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-29T09:45:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6301273cb2dfee849fe0467f58b3d5dc461c7aa0775da53136c9d108d903c183fa9616673f2f40025ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
郭國文 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:35:01 - 09:45:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部、國庫署、關務署及所屬、國有財產署及所屬、財政資訊中心歲出預算部分暨融資財源調度。（僅詢答）
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分有關財政部主管債務基金－中央政府債務基金。（僅詢答）
【4月29日及30日二天一次會】
【預算提案截止時間：4月30日（四）下午5時】） |
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繼續問 台股在4月23號的時候報了最高的交易量是1.8兆那單單整個第一季我們就收到1237大概上半年可能就達標達到2501的這個年度目標 |
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那甚至如果再好下去搞不好就會double就是超收的部分可能是兩倍那現在在野黨一直想說要法制化那法制化常態化的情況底下要進一步二讀我想問一下部長你現在有沒有什麼因應的方式 |
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重點回答麻煩請我想這個部分我們還是要強調說明這個實際徵收的數超過預算數這個部分目前的預算法也好公債法也好財政紀律法也好都有相關的規定而且 |
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而且我覺得國家的財政韌性是非常重要如果說我們的實際稅務的實際執行數超過預算數的話第一個我們要減少舉債減少舉債之外你剛剛講過就不用再重複了就譬如講很多中油的補貼啦台電的補貼啦這可以減少通膨啦或是補勞保啦健保啦弱勢族群的津貼這應該比較優先吧我覺得你講這些反倒是會比較有說服力啦 |
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如果超收之後大家會有一些期待很正常那一直講說程序上一定要繳回國庫啊什麼那個其實在社會上我們沒有在對話我是建議你可能要調整一下啦第二個呢老舊的稅制真的要檢討部長老舊的稅制上次我們已經廢掉這一個娛樂稅我跟你講輿論反應非常的好數十年來所以老舊的稅制還有一個印花稅更需要廢掉 |
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運發稅基本邏輯都類似 不論是業界 行政院 立法院都主張廢除行政院還在108年還提出廢止案你看 每次都是地方政府在反對邏輯都一樣啊 跟娛樂稅邏輯都一樣啊問題是地方政府現在已經多拿到四千多億了那你要告訴我 現在已經電子化了為什麼弄一個統一發票還要用運發稅 |
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這說不過去嘛而且印花稅跟營業稅的性質又有重疊為什麼印花稅一年兩百億當中最終的來源就是金融業金融已經有金融營業稅了部長是不是也應該順著娛樂稅的邏輯把它廢掉這一個印花稅 |
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道理相同嘛對 我想印花稅的稅額會比娛樂稅高出很多沒有高很多啦 總共也不過是零點總共也不過是這個稅額可以算起來夯不啷噹也不過是兩百啦我想這個部分 阿佐的佔比也是非常的低啦邏輯相同啦 不一支稅就應該廢除啊我們再要同地方政府來做討論要求地方政府做討論 |
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每次都推給地方政府 地方政府不要同意啦他們說的理由已經不存在了你就不應該再附和他們 他們已經拿到四千多億了時空已經不同了 條件也不同了說法也應該要不同啊 部長 聖思啊 民變啊接下來還有一個啊 |
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這個國有土地的部分 那個國產署在這邊國產署的部分 清理了一下我覺得呢 國產署這整個一整年的這個收益不到一千億我不是說要提高租金或幹嘛重點呢 有兩成 曾署長 你很認真啊但是還是有兩成被佔用或閒置啊我看了一下國產署 第二期原本要清理十七萬筆 |
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的這個土地那回收這個2.6萬公頃的佔用實際上清理了19萬筆收回了2.7公頃但是被佔用的2公頃只有下降到1.5公頃那為什麼也就是這6年當中新佔用新發現被佔用的土地高達2.2萬公頃曾署長 |
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一邊收回一邊又發現新的佔用方式那你這樣子一直輪迴你要收到什麼時候才會收得好啊難道沒有一辦法說新佔用不要增加然後舊佔用的可以清除不能用兩手進行嗎不然總數差別不大嘛 署長 |
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報告委員我想這個是本來就是一個是把那個源頭減少第二個是去化這個跟委員剛剛講的都一樣也跟委員報告因為國產署來源的土地有很多有一些像抵稅地進來的時候我一定是變成是佔用是這種原因像抵稅地或無人繼承財產的 |
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原來的土地可能被這個抵稅的人他還沒有搬走或是沒有清空那對我來講就是占用那如果這樣子有這種類別那請你給本席分類一下如果是抵稅地所占的比例可以高達2.2公頃的話那你發了你 |
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問題如果不是的話有一些新增的項目可能是可以避免的你也要區分一下你要用AI的方式或無人機的方式用什麼方式去避免拿去清查有沒有可能是我們說我們現在部長是國產署出身的啊對啊 |
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跟委員報告我們現在比較大面積的部分國有土地比較集中我們現在都是用航拍的方式那航拍的話其實從空中一覽無遺甚至有沒有證件建物都知道我想在這邊討論這個意義不大2.2公頃被新佔的這些分類跟比例你匯後給本席一份然後你要怎麼避免再增加 |
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你也把solution講出來這才有意義嘛 好不好好可以嗎 好 署長謝謝還有一個 署長也是跟您業務有相關那部長應該也是內行你去看我們的台北之星閒置每年要花這個管理費啊高達千萬欸 |
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一戶啊 這一個每個月的管理費啊 大概都四萬 超過四萬你現在正義國宅的都跟那裡分為十八戶啊 結果都還沒有賣出去每天都在繳這一個管理費 每年加起來要交 只十八戶而已 就要交了一千萬一千萬就一個小公寓了 |
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那個署長你有沒有什麼方法單單你在台北市的蛋黃區案件啊我給你統計起來不是18戶總共有65件那本席要說的是說你這樣子的情況底下你賣不出去你負擔越來越重這是其一其二的部分是什麼其二的部分你除了豪宅列別之外有沒有蛋白區的或其他縣市的做一個整理 |
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那本席為什麼要你就做整理呢?你把這個整理出來之後你可以仿造什麼?仿造台灣經聯台灣經聯的部分以前啊只要一百戶都賣出八十幾戶現階段今年景氣算是最不好的喔我跟你講一個數字那一百戶沒多久就六十一戶賣完了 |
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就61戶那房子的這個價位都不同但是可以賣得很好為什麼一個免重借費二來它比市價稍微低一點打了九二折這個有什麼不好這個一來呢政府就希望說呢能夠讓房價軟著陸這有軟著陸的一個帶動的效應這是第一 |
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第二部分目前這個央行也希望這個建商稍微讓利一下那這個變成一個示範的效果 |
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那個 楊經理說 你只要稍微讓一讓 你的量就出來了啊這個台灣經營中心 這個就很清楚啊 不是嗎所以說 署長 有沒有可能考慮一下你把台北市的物件的65件 再加上其他的物件 加總起來仿照台灣經營的模式 打個折 省個費用然後不要再承擔那些管理費用 這不就一舉多得了嗎 署長 |
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報告委員那個國有財產打折不像民間買賣說我賣不好我就再打折他有他的一定的程序譬如說我已經估價過三次他可能還是沒有辦法如期飆售我們可能會減個5%的方式 |
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那第二個就是像這種都跟分回來的那個一戶大概都上億啦現在這個市場大家也很難拍賣的出去所以我們也循著標租的方式那以前我們國產法規定房地標租一次只有五年那五年的時間那個人家要裝修根本沒辦法團體 |
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所以我們已經也修法了大概租的部分你租都可以修法你售也可以稍微調整一下那個估價的部分我們會做適當的對阿你可以調整一下然後另外跟委員報告其他縣市的部分其實我們現在有打包方式用租給包租代管業再由包租代管業的最關鍵的還是把它售出去能夠平抑這個房價才是對政策上比較有所幫助啦是對啦 |
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另外社會委員報告我們現在都更分回來已經交了200多戶給住都中心做分譽宅也就是說那種大概40坪以下的房子的部分那我們也是以社會住宅為主署長你的腦袋很聰明 |
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我認為最直接有效的方式就是採取台灣經典的這種模式我建議你弄一個國產署的類台灣金融版的一種方式把你所投的這些這個餘污把它做一個清理同時也可以達到這個平益這一個房價的效果本席對你的期待是這樣子的麻煩你回去好好思考一下可不可以我們再來研究相關研究一下好不好好 謝謝署長 謝謝部長 |
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主席 |