| IVOD_ID |
168893 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168893 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-29T09:29:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-29T09:41:35+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6301273cb2dfee84b51e3f735c3de96e4294381b535652e636c9d108d903c183f0c0b32b082070385ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張嘉郡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:29:01 - 09:41:35 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於農業部及所屬單位預算部分。
二、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關第27款直轄市及縣市政府第7項一般性補助款—農業部主管第1目農業部、第2目林業及自然保育署及所屬、第3目農村發展及水土保持署及所屬、第4目漁業署及所屬、第5目動植物防疫檢疫署及所屬、第6目農糧署及所屬、第7目農田水利署部分預算。
三、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於農業部主管：農業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金、農業特別收入基金及農民退休基金。(詢答)
【4月29日及4月30日二天一次會】） |
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為質詢請張家俊委員謝謝主席我想請部長請農業部陳部長委員好 |
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部長早其實這一個禮拜以來我一直等著一定要今天來詢問部長因為馬鈴薯的事情引起大家非常非常的關注我現在手上有兩顆馬鈴薯部長你知道哪一顆是美國的哪一顆是台灣的嗎 |
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我沒辦法判斷啊看不清楚就是說部長都沒有辦法判斷了更何況是我們一般的民眾那現在呢我還有一顆發芽的馬鈴薯我想要請問部長現在有在呼籲說這個發芽的馬鈴薯也能吃是真的嗎 |
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至少我從來沒有說過這樣的話那我也跟委員報告就是馬鈴薯它是一個活的生物體所以在市面上看它發芽的可能就是它的儲存不適當所造成的但是不能影射是進口那本席先問一下部長您覺得發芽的馬鈴薯能吃嗎 |
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我想這要看它的條件因為相關的龍奎鹼它的形成是在發芽以後又綠化遇到光所以它會做累積但是芽體的長度跟它的龍奎鹼的濃度它是不是有非常正面的正相關因為假設假設我是一般的民眾我聽到部長這樣說聽起來好像是只有長一點點沒關係 |
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我覺得這一定要很小心不能夠誤導民眾因為如果假設他吃了他不斷的吸收說吃發芽的馬鈴薯沒關係這件事情他吃了他中毒了到底誰要負責我想我們也不應該去傳言說發芽馬鈴薯能吃我剛才說的我從來沒有說過這句話然後相對的因為龍奎減 |
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你應該知道龍奎簡是一種神經毒素它是不會經由高溫烹煮跟經由油炸它是不會消失的 |
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所以假設我們政府告訴大家說吃發芽的馬鈴薯沒有關係我想也不是政府說的喔但我絕對沒有說這樣說我想政府不會這樣說所以不能說政府說的我那天其實有看到部長也有吃馬鈴薯我現在擔憂的是說既然政府都知道 |
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有毒的馬鈴薯不能吃發芽的馬鈴薯可能有龍葵檢那為什麼還要開放就是不要這麼嚴格的檢測呢我跟委員報告我們所有的檢驗標準是沒有變的只要是發芽的馬鈴薯是絕對不能進關但是過去是只要有一個發芽馬鈴薯你就是要整櫃退啊 |
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但是你現在不是啊差別在哪裡你直接告訴我我給你一個釐清的機會我可以很清楚的講過去我們是遇到一顆巴亞的省櫃退那現在因為我們發現到過去的一些資料裡面 |
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整櫃裡面可能只有幾棵非常少數的發芽那我們讓業者可以有一個改善的機會如果他提改善計畫然後在指定的加工的地點他都發芽了他怎麼改善沒有 挑掉啊 |
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那其實這就更令人擔心了你剛才就告訴我說這個是有機物體所以一顆發芽可能其他還沒開始發芽了它已經被感染了但是肉眼看不出來發芽不是感染的不過我要跟委員報告馬鈴薯是活體的植物它本身你放在那邊你可能三天五天就發芽了所以你儲存不當就會發芽 |
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跟通關與否是無關的所以現在農業部是要變成進口商的挑菜小幫手的意思嗎不要用這種語言去處理我再問一下部長我們一年進口多少 |
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大概10應該美國的話是7萬噸差不多那全部的話是15萬噸那我就先問部長說假設是7萬噸一顆差不多150克你知道有多少顆嗎你要看一個貨櫃20萬噸差不多假設7萬噸來說至少有5億顆 |
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怎麼逐科檢查嘛 你怎麼檢查七萬噸裡面有非常多的是相關的是冷凍的調製的真正的生鮮蝕的部分是兩萬七千多噸好啦 就算兩萬七千多噸你現在告訴我有沒有可能逐科檢查那我剛才說過了在過往的紀錄裡面它是百分之零點六那接下來呢 接下來我再問今天 |
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所有的報紙頭版頭都是說美國花生要零關稅進口我想要先問一下部長到底美國花生現在ART還沒有正式生效已經開始無限量的進口了嗎 |
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沒有啊所以什麼時候會開始進口我想我們所有的所有的花生的進口有一定它的一定的期節一定的季節現在還是我先問嘛就是ART都還沒有生效為什麼要提前棄手呢有沒有什麼時候要進口因為大家擔憂的不得了就是我們ART還沒有生效前應該要繼續維持關稅配額一年五二三五嘛我們一直維持的啊那是媒體在操作的啊 |
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所以你們預計是什麼時候我想現在目前我們整個ART的簽署的內容是我們是確定的但是整個ART本身它的一個法律的框架架構上面美方正在尋求新的一個法律架構 |
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所以他還不會正式實施在台灣不會正式實施也會進到立院去做相關的一個確認跟審查才會正式的實施現在所有的花生農都非常擔心本來你告訴本席我記得3月的時候我在總諮詢也問過你說花生進口要三次啊那你告訴本席說美國花生進來 |
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競爭的是阿根廷跟印度的花生你是不是有這樣告訴過印度阿根廷跟巴西跟巴西是那你覺得美國花生進來他會乖乖的只跟阿根廷印度巴西的花生競爭不跟台灣的花生競爭嗎 |
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所以我要跟委員說明我們要看總需求量當你一個產品進口的時候那原來的進口是印度阿根廷巴西佔的96%然後美國才不到1%所以它進來一定會先取代或者是更競爭但是它的價格優勢是我們台灣的三倍啊它的價格優勢是我們台灣的三倍我再問一個重點假設 |
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食品加工廠他進口了美國的花生他做出來的這個食品加工是Made in Taiwan還是會標示是美國花生做我相信產地一定會標示產地一定會標示產地這標籤是規定的本席去查了他說他會寫Made in Taiwan |
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所以呢這是現在的使館法規定的他進口來之後他在台灣加工他就變成Made in Taiwan這才是真正的息產地我告訴你那個叫做實質轉型那這個部分我想我們也實質轉型是不是息產地 |
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我想不能用這樣的角度去看這個問題所以這個才是你要重視的我要提醒的我們會重視整個台灣的花生我今天不是要檢討你我是希望你要看到問題在哪裡是不是能夠標示假設是美國來的你就不能寫Made in Taiwan你就要寫美國產甚至台灣本地的花生你要本地產然後當初3月5問你的時候你告訴我說 |
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轉做價格會提高現在那時候我就提醒你我就提醒你說既然美國花生的優勢是我們價格是我們的三倍我們花生轉做現在轉做金額是多少 |
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我告訴你我們現在花生轉作金額是一公頃三萬五我知道那那個時候我就說我們如果要跟美國有競爭的這個空間我們至少轉作金要提高三倍吧那三萬五乘以三倍是多少 |
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10到5千這樣才有辦法穩定軍心嘛你穩定所有花生農的心你昨天農業部出來說可能會有三成的農民三成的農民影響你再去三成去種麻豆去種對不起喔委員我必須要再澄清一次齁我們昨天胡市長講的兩成到三成是 |
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純粹用價格的角度而且沒有政府的支持之下可能會有這樣的影響但是農業部絕對不會沒有作為所以我們有非常多的配套措施會去啟動來支持我們的花式博量產業那你告訴我是什麼配套措施 |
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好我第一個部分我想我們整個配料因為我們台灣我本身的仙甲的部分是以這個產品為主所以我們會啟動所謂的仙甲的一個收購那另外我們會啟動區域型的烘乾的中心讓農民免疫這樣的一個烘乾還有相關的基礎產品你這個問題就是沒有辦法解決問題嘛 |
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它已經冒不出去了你還在幫它烘乾它的價格就已經沒有競爭力了怎麼烘乾烘乾了要賣誰我覺得你如果這樣講的話其實台灣的農業沒有那麼脆弱台灣農業是有韌性的部分透過我們的引導我們可以讓台灣的花生維持一定的品牌我們市佔率是75%我知道 你知道市佔率75% |
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是我們多少農民 多少農民努力出來的才有75% 結果你現在要無...這是台灣花生的一個特色這是台灣花生的一個特色所以我們希望別人...我們絕對會... |
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那怎麼辦呢我想我們會針對台灣花生做一個特殊的一個台灣花生的一個品牌然後我們也會去爭取所有的國外進口的花生它的原產地一定要標它的原產地不能標台灣這是你在這裡承諾本席的喔我是真的期待你一定要做到因為這個不落實影響的是很多家庭我想我們會跟昨天那個 |
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農業部表示說要輔導他們轉型種別的作物你知道嗎所有老農他種了一輩子他種土豆他種花生他就只會種花生我想不要動不動就說我們的老農我們所有農業不是只有老農在做我知道但是老農比較脆弱我們也會來協助我們一定 |
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我希望說委員在地方跟我們在農業部這邊一起來合作讓我們的產業能夠繼續往前走這才是重點是你自己說要合作的呀那你要下來啊你不下來你至少要派署長下來吧我想我們很樂意跟地方一起努力去做這樣的事情但是也不要透過任何的政治操作去做這樣的一個問題我跟你說我最不想要這個政治操作我只想要他們能夠安全 |
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然後可以把這個產業保護住我們可以一起努力把這個產業做到好 謝謝 |