| IVOD_ID |
168892 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168892 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-29T09:20:49+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-29T09:38:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:17:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6301273cb2dfee8473df619869c15373decd4e8d0095015936c9d108d903c1837f0c5e2542c48c5b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
翁曉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:20:49 - 09:38:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於監察院主管（不含審計部及所屬）收支部分。
【僅進行詢答；預算提案於5月6日下午2時截止收件】） |
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好 謝謝主席 在這邊有請黃秘書長好 有請黃秘書長秘書長好 是 謝謝在上一次本席在質詢的時候也提到了對於第七屆監察委員提名的事情不知道秘書長之後有沒有把本席所關切的總統到底會不會提名 |
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監察委員的這個事情有傳達給總統府那邊知道嗎他們應該會如期的提出監察委員的候選人吧我想我們會透過我們的行政系統院長這邊來傳達我可能不好不方便直接對總統報告那可能就麻煩代理院長要去傳達這件事情因為其實監察的業務 |
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這個案件量大而且呢也攸關就是人民的這些陳情的案陳情的事情那都跟大家的這個權益相關所以我希望就是說監察院那裡可能還是要適時的去反映就是有關於 |
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監察委員候選人提名的事情是那麼那本席其實也還關心就是有關於秘書長您在這個未來去留的問題因為事實上因為秘書長這個職務是政務官是理論上應該是會隨著 |
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監察院的副院長還有這一屆的監察委員同進退喔那麼如果說是在7月31號因為這一屆的委員應該是做到7月31吧還是到7月31到7月31號嘛那7月31號之後那秘書長您就會跟著一起同進退了嗎 |
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這我講依照慣例是會提出辭呈我們依照慣例會提出辭呈是所以如果說是在下一個就是假設這個監察委員不是無縫接軌的話那換句話說監察院的秘書長可能又會空一段時間空缺一段時間這必須依照慣例來進行我是不是請副秘書長他在監察院40年簡單的說明那請秘書長 |
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請複密有關於等到這一屆到7月31號結束那秘書長是會依照程序提出書面的詞呈給總統府這樣子 |
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那上次也是有提出來是給總統府,它不是應該是按照你的監察院組織法是由院長任命的所以理論上它應該是由跟著院長同進退嘛是是是,也有提 |
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好那本席要提醒的是說因為你看我這裡有大概看了一下在歷屆的秘書長幾乎都是跟監察委員們同進退的所以本席其實也很希望就是如果我們監察委員能夠無縫接軌的話那黃秘書長或許您還有繼續留下來的機會因為才剛上任沒多久的時間嘛那麼但是呢如果說萬一這個監察委員沒有辦法銜接上的話那麼變成黃秘書長您可能 |
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會是這個比較短命的院長就是短命的秘書長就是在任期上面了那麼這本市會覺得比較遺憾好那麼接下來本市另外再問一個問題就是我在上次因為有關注到 |
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監察院的委託調查案件很多比例很高啊比這個派查案件應該是說在從第四屆第五屆第六屆的這個監察委員的委託調查案件是成這個暴增在第四屆的委託調查案件當時只有一屆就是第四屆的六年任期只有一屆的委託調查案件第五屆 |
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就前一屆的監察委員當時的委託調查案件是86那到這一屆到目前為止到115年的3月委託調查案件就高達3809件其實這是一個非常驚人的數字相對於委託調查案件是非常多倍的成長 |
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派查案件就是真正監察委員自己去查的案件呢卻明顯下降啊那麼第四屆當然到時候的自己的調查派查的案件比例是他的案件數字最高高達差不多2800件然後第五屆是將近2000件然後第六屆然後則下降到大概1700件左右那本席想要了解的就是說那為什麼 |
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監察委員現在很多應該自己要去調查的事情自己不去做卻又委託給其他的指定機關去做調查我這邊舉個例子來講好了如果說今天有一個陳情案他是陳情針對法務部那麼監察委員會不會又把這個案子又指定給法務部讓他委託他又去調查 |
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跟委員報告 關於所謂委託調查案 它的法源依據是監察法第30條這已經是明定在法律上的依據所以我沒辦法在這邊代表上一屆的委員等等上上一屆委員說明為什麼他們沒有運用這個權利但是這個權利的運用確實是法律所賦予的 |
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另外一個他這樣的一個作為當初立法的理由是為了希望能夠做一些簡易的調查以及派查的先行程序也就是說有些事情不用進入到派查然後大局調動調查官以及委員去查案然後就可以得到一個不錯的一個結果 |
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也在這個三千多件裡面我們也平反了三百九十八件到現在為止三百九十八件利用委託調查的方式來進行平反的案件好 謝謝秘書長的說明那麼其實剛剛秘書長這樣講我會認為說我們這一屆的監察委員太善用監察法第30條這個委託調查的 |
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這樣的一個權利那事實上第430條意思是監察院於必要的時候可以就案件指定案件委託其他機關調查是在必要的時候那看起來就是監察委員可能認為有太多太多必要的時候反正我基本上就是把這些案子就委託給其他的機關去做調查某種程度對外界來看會認為是不是在規避自己的應盡的責任 |
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應該要去行使的派查或調查權反而他把這個調查權呢又委託給其他的機關去處理而且委託的機關也不知道是不是就是同樣是被陳情被檢舉的機關本心其實認為說這個 |
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這個有關於委託調查的部分監察院應該要自己要去討論有關於他使用的時機而且剛剛我們聽這個秘書長說的就是委託調查的這3800多 |
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的案件當中大概有300多件所謂的平反是之後應該又回到監察院裡面然後再去進行派查不是 直接就在這個檢疫調查過程中就替人民解決了問題大概有398件到目前為止 |
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那這個也是讓我們的調查相關的工作查核 派查的相關工作能夠有效率的來進行所以基本上就是由那個被陳情的機關他再做一個自我審查嗎是的 等於是我們要求他自我審查點出了疑慮 點出了疑問之後他們自我的改進了所以相當程度其實也是一種求援兼裁判嘛因為你剛剛講說300多件被平反那就代表說可能還有3000多件基本上是 |
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這個被檢舉的調查自己有沒有錯誤的機關他認為他自己沒有問題啊調查報告回來之後就算是沒有給民眾平反我們這邊也會就調查的內容他們回覆的內容做相關的審核然後如果有問題我們還是會拒於指摘然後如果這個案件發現他們委託調查沒辦法解決問題最後還是會進入到派查這個系統讓監委直接跟調查官 |
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直接進入到調查的系統 |
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請監察院提供的資料就是說請你們將你們委託調查的案件的指定機關幫我做就是提供給我一個比較清楚的數據你們都是指定給哪些機關有多少的案件可以提供這個資料給我嗎我把相關委託調查的相關的工作跟您說明接下來本席還要再講的就是說事實上因為從你們的這一屆的監察委員的派查案件數來看 |
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其實的確是蠻少的本席幫你們算了一下這個監察委員總共二十九人然後任期六年以你們現在的派查案件只有一千六百九十一件到三月我就算是如果說以這個數字來看的話大概平均每人一年大概只有處理十件十個案件 |
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就算是如果说算到7月31号你们突然突飞猛进做了很多的调查案件大概平均一个人也就差不多15件吧我们花了那么多的这个经费监察院每年也编了将近10亿的经费但你们处理的案件数事实上是很少的 |
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那人民的陳情案件又這麼多那看起來你們的確是蠻多的案子其實是擱在那裡沒有處理或是慢慢的處理我們是不是委員容我跟第五屆做一點比較第五屆的派查案件大概是一八八二件我們現在目前為止是一五七二但是我們有三百九十八件也就是這些平反案件三千多件這些都是經過委員他簽署之後 |
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我希望監察委員要一屆比一屆的認真如果總是不能總是跟過去比更何況這一屆的監察委員是當時是有等於是都是民進黨政府他自己一手提名的這麼多的監察委員所以這些監察委員是不是 |
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他沒有積極的去查民進黨政府裡面有哪些官員違法失職以至於案件數量這麼少因為每一屆的監察委員他的政黨的比例他的性質不太一樣那在這一屆的監察委員很清楚的 |
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百分之百都是民進黨政府提的然後當時根本沒有經過審查全部全數都通過那明明我們就看到這十年來我們的政府出了很多的問題有非常多的弊案從農業部衛福部尤其是疫情的時候大家看到這麼多的弊案就好像也沒有怎麼去查 |
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所以這是本席要講的就是說當然這不能夠說怪罪於祕書長因為我今天只是要把這一屆監察委員的問題點出來那麼接下來您說這一屆委員容我回應一件事這一屆委員有一個比較大的特色在過去沒有就是國家人權委員會的成立 |
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國家人權委員會的成立是從這一屆開始結果它每年會有十個委員將至少至於一半的時間放在國家人權委員會的工作上面是 謝謝民主黨你提到這個國家人權委員會本席認為這就是個跌床架屋的組織 |
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監察院應該好好去辦正事國家人權委員會的這相關報告坦白說幕僚作業就可以了啦然後寫好了報告之後再由監察委員去評估實際上這些監察委員真的重要的這個公務機關違法失職的案件你不去辦然後都去弄一些人權委員會國家人權的案子國家人權你看法務部也做司法院也做教育部也做 |
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幾乎很多機關都在有他們自己的人權的政策或是也在做相關的人權研究所以本席是希望下一屆的監察委員能夠真的好好的把注意力放在 |
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相關的派查案件上面 調查案件上面那接下來本期還有一個問題也是剛剛陳昭志委員有提到了就是監察院現在就是要來審查有關於林智堅論文抄襲案那這個林智堅的論文抄襲案當時是發生在2022年到現在已經將近隔了四年五年了 |
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那麼這一屆的監察委員他們上任是在2019年也就是說是當時林志堅的論文抄襲案發生的時候這些監察委員他們當時就已經在任了他們如果說認為說是台大那邊的這個台大學校的論文審定委員會可能有違反學術倫理或是在審查的流程有問題應該要積極的 |
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依職權啟動調查可是我現在聽到秘書長還有之前副秘有講的就是說現在監察院案子是怎麼樣都是要等待陳情又有陳情人陳情之後才會去調查嗎這根本與法不合啊這是你們的監察權就應該依職權啟動調查所以這不禁讓人懷疑就是說到底現在陳情人是誰是林志堅本人嗎 |
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我們沒辦法瞭解這個案子監察行政沒辦法瞭解這些事情當然之後就會知道陳情人是不是明智階因為在先前不管是像是浩鼎案當時的翁啟惠院長或者是還有這個有兩度彈劾陳龍祥檢察官的詢問窮案等等其實看起來很多時候就是陳情人可能也許就是自己當事人 |
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對 那在這個案子裡面就是讓大家也會對於監察院監察委員到底有沒有真的認真的 |
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去行使他們的職權這件事情感到疑惑都要快卸任了還要差三個月就要卸任了然後這時候再重啟調查來得及辦完嗎這是113年的113年沒有這是113年起動的案子現在才開始要進行調查本市要更正不是嗎 |
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他調查了將近快兩年的時間並不是說他本身這個時候才開始啟動調查你能不能再講清楚你這個案子到底是什麼時候開始調查的?13年的4月9號 |
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所以當時就已經有這個陳情案了對就有陳情案所以調查了兩年多而且這也不一定是我們委員並沒有單指說是任何一個個人包括剛剛委員所指摘的某個個案並沒有是這樣子它是以在學術相關的案件但是它不是單指個人的案件我想請秘書長最後用很短的時間再告訴我們到底現在這個陳情案件是什麼時候成立的你可以告訴大家是什麼時候成立的嗎 |
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派查的時間是113年的4月9號派查時間是113年的4月9號當時就已經成立了對 這樣兩年前了兩年前 所以你們還在調查中這個整個的調查機關呢調查機關被調查機關或是當時的相關機關教育部以及台大 |
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教育部以及台大是所以从113年到现在是那是这个经常委员才要开始认真的去办案还是说现在已经准备要结案了 |
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這個我沒辦法替委員回答這個問題就是說他的最後的結論等等這還是屬於調查的內容總之就是這個案子這個監察院似乎也沒有說得很清楚所以讓外界會誤以為說你們是2026年然後才正式啟動調查那麼如果說之前13年就立案了那為什麼要拖拖這麼久 |
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然後這個案子連林志堅抄襲的在法院都已經判決定業了因為他們事後是和解嘛那林志堅自己的論文被撤銷他也沒有提起訴訟嗎他有向台大提起訴訟嗎有去告台大嗎這我不瞭解沒有嘛這我不瞭解所以就對大家來講大家覺得說這個案子都已經都已經確定了那你現在突然之間監察院又說我要來這個調查 |
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台大然後調查教育部這是蠻奇怪的這就大家會有什麼會質疑說這一屆的監察委員那麼是不是都是選擇性辦案而且看起來是要在這個現任之前然後就給民進黨政府再交一份成績單嗎好那麻煩請你們回去這個轉告監察委員們希望這個案子趕快就有一個什麼結果趕快就 |
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就這個案子要做出來不要再拖拖拉拉 |