| IVOD_ID |
168884 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168884 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-28T11:16:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-28T11:32:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/35437261a170eb038c612697def2eb2766e90e72df29f72f7b9a1196f8d5921b99a31e873eea2ed35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
沈發惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:16:55 - 11:32:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院民進黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「一、立法院不分朝野堅定支持我國總統進行對外國是訪問，堅持台灣人有走向世界，與世界各國交往合作的權利。二、嚴正譴責中華人民共和國政府以脅迫手段迫使第三國撤銷我國元首專機飛航許可之粗暴行為，違反聯合國憲章、國際民航公約精神、外交關係慣例，並構成對第三國主權之公然干涉。三、促請外交部、駐外館處、國際民航組織（ICAO）之友我代表及所有可行管道，將本事件列入國際紀錄，且尋求國際民航組織、聯合國人權理事會等多邊機制之關注與因應，並就中華人民共和國對我國長期之脅迫行為，研擬完整之法律文件與政策白皮書，於年度外交報告中專章說明。四、呼籲世界上所有理念相近之民主夥伴，正視中華人民共和國對他國實施經濟與外交脅迫之行為，將其納入各國『反脅迫』（anti-coercion）之政策工具與立法檢討。並以具體行動聲援我國維護正當國際交往之權利，共同捍衛以規則為基礎之國際秩序、自由開放之國際航空體系，以及中小型國家免於威權霸凌之主權空間。中華民國是主權獨立的民主國家，任何外部勢力之脅迫、封鎖或打壓，皆不能改變我國走向世界、與民主夥伴並肩同行之決心。本院全體委員將超越黨派立場，團結一致，捍衛國家主權、民主自由與國際尊嚴。」是否有當？請公決案等2案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、同意權之行使事項：本院司法及法制、內政兩委員會報告審查「總統咨，為最高檢察署檢察總長邢泰釗任期於115年5月7日屆滿，茲依法院組織法第66條第2項規定，提名徐錫祥為最高檢察署檢察總長，咨請同意案」案。（5月5日上午）四、審計長列席報告中華民國113年度中央政府總決算審核報告等案審核經過並備諮詢。（5月5日下午）五、4月24日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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主席我們請卓院長請卓院長備詢 |
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社會好院長早 辛苦了這麼一個早上不會我想這邊有一個事情比較急所以利用今天這個總執行的機會來這邊請院長來表示意見與態度這個我們的我們立法院的這個未還委員會在明天 |
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我們在這個有排定一個審查國民黨委員的一個提案跟一個民眾黨黨團的一個提案有關於空污法空污防治法的這個一個修正草案在明天就要在委員會審查而且要在委員會通過來這個要出委員會那這次我看這幾項草案的修法重點 |
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除了這個第一個就是說他把這個空戶的許可這個許可證的效期縮短這是第一個重點第二個重點他授權這個地方政府可以自行決定禁用特定的燃料或者是燃料的限制用量這地方政府就可以自行決定 |
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第三個就是說有關行政機關怠惰未審定的這個期間之後他把過去這次你如果怠惰未審定是由政府負責你可以繼續這個許可他現在把這個說如果政府機關怠惰未審定你這個風險要由廠商來轉嫁給廠商這是第三個修法重點 |
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第四個他空白授權地方政府他可以進行變更許可他自己覺得特定的條件這空白的授權給地方政府他可以進行的這個變更這個許可那這個 |
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這個有關這樣子的修法草案上個禮拜這個工總全國工業總會跟這個廠聯會這個工業區的這個廠商聯合總會都有分別發表聲明認為說他們表示反對修法而且認為期期以為不可認為說這個衝擊非常非常的巨大 |
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因為明天的委員會審查由空污法的主管機關環境部部長出席但這個事情這個草案修正它其實不只是環境部的問題它試射我們全國幾個重大產業包括半導體產業鏈鋼鐵石化紡織造紙水泥甚至還有包括它的下游產業整個都還有甚至全國的能源跟電力的配置 |
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這些相關的問題全部都受到巨大的衝擊所以這個不單純是環境部的問題所以我今天利用這個機會我想請這個院長就這個空污法修正草案你是不是能夠表達我們行政院的政策立場好 最近幾天我們已經陸續收到 |
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也看到公開的資訊很多的工協會對這個修法表示高度的憂慮因為修法的內容讓地方政府的權限是提高了但是它既可以自行來減排也可以自行來加碼減量同時它可以在不完成審查的兩個月當中就讓整個案子成為沒有辦法繼續運用這不只限定的是任何一個用燃料的電廠 |
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會影響到很多很多的工廠很多很多的產業好那即使說只限定在電廠電廠因為這樣子沒有辦法去發電那些工廠也沒有辦法去任何的生產營業所以影響所懼啊讓業界現在非常的恐懼那我們也希望透過在野黨黨團跟執政黨黨團能夠在 |
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即將到來的這種討論或是協商或是修法的過程當中務必要以國家整體性為念不要造成各地方政府的這個權限被無限的擴大之後沒有限制各地的標準反倒不一樣 |
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那這樣中央的執法會非常的困難產業會無法適應所以這個部分我認為在修法過程當中要特別特別的注意這個事情很急啦因為明天就要審查明天衛環委員會就要審查這個後果非常嚴重啦你再放任這個地方政府空白授權認為它裡面的條文修正條案說地方政府認為國民黨的文字是這樣地方政府認為有削減加嚴操作條件是必要 |
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他就可以變更許可這個民眾黨團的更絕了他說地方政府認為有健康風險有健康風險之餘他就可以變更這完全沒有任何的標準的空白授權這樣子這整個這個對於這我剛講過對全國的這個產業鏈能源的配置對於這個電力的這個穩定供應這些都產生巨大的影響了放在地方政府各地方政府都可以自行決定 |
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我們的經濟部環境部對相關的問題現在都有一套標準在嚴格的執行所以我在這裡我在這裡也呼籲在野黨能夠以蒼生為念真的是懸崖勒馬不要一意孤行不要一意孤行那我也在這裡請卓院長我們行政院應該要堅定立場 據理力爭守護台灣的產業跟能源的穩定我會加強溝通讓這個事情能夠合理的解決好 接下來這個 |
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我在這個過去的三次總諮詢都特別關心這個我們的這個有關於亞洲資產管理中心中我那時候提出他的核心就是所謂的這個台灣個人投資儲蓄帳戶TISA有關TISA的問題我在9月20號 |
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是在立法院我第一個提出有關TISA的質詢我們行政院團隊很快的在6月23號就宣布TISA上線這部分我這邊先給予肯定我們在去年6月宣布TISA上線到現在差不多快一年的時間 |
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這一年的時間這個這中間當然還有其他的我在這個去年的十月我特別提出了有關這個也是我也是第一個提出了就是說參考美國的這個川普帳戶讓這個這個我們台灣的目前的這個兒少發展帳戶能夠普惠化能夠擴大那我看到我們院長院長在這個我們經發會的這個這個顧問會議上面表達我們要朝這個 |
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這個所謂未來帳戶的方向發展那我在這裡首先請問我們院長或者是請這個部長回答就是我們目前有關未來帳戶我們規劃時程是什麼時候大概什麼時候可以上路是先跟委員報告一下有關我們現在TISA的部分先那個這主要是謝謝委員過去有三度關心這個議題 |
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那我們在去年七月上線算是非常的順利在沒有租稅優惠之下我們平均一個月大概一萬兩千件的增加數我們現在的管理的資產是不是能夠提一下我剛所談的未來帳戶規劃跟上線 |
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未來帳戶的部分我們是只對這個兒少的部分那我們現在TESA主要主軸是針對成年人的部分我們接下來這裡會看這個兒少帳戶怎麼設計我們來銜接他的部分要銜接TESA這個是因為兩個性質不同那如果我們這個兒少帳戶能夠未來帳戶能夠順利的這個上路那未來他跟TESATESA主要是在於這個個人儲蓄投資這個是成年以後的事情成年以後對那這個銜接的話 |
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我們現在的未來帳戶因為他對象是低收中低收所以他的局限性比較大那我們期待我們是不是有一個更加的財政能力把它往後延伸把它往後延伸那延伸之後就會產生原來的這些現在已經有的這些未來帳戶的對象他是不是可以有選擇性加入TISA因為有一部分錢是他自己輸的那未來這個部分我們就可以用法律來 |
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做更好的規範是不是讓大家更有機會在TISA裡面也養成個人的一個金融理財的能力也讓他實質上增加他的實質的收入那非常好那我就是希望說我們那個這個有關目前的這個兒少發展帳戶能夠能夠普惠化能夠變成這個提供更多的在我們財政允許的情況之下提供更多的那未來能夠跟TISA整個銜接這樣就非常完整但是 |
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我現在剛剛打斷部長的報告很重要是部長在報告TESA這一年來的成果這一年來成果確實是不錯我們推動一年好像現在目前不管在開戶的開戶數或者是整個資金規模TESA的申購金額跟他庫存的金額整個都有大幅成長 |
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但是這是第一階段未來我們在這一年裡面我們整個基本上都是仰賴個人的自發參與的國民個人自發參與它的擴大大概到現在這樣做到十二萬戶未來要仰賴個人參與要再擴大還需要一些努力這些努力我個人認為剛剛有提到我個人認為我從第一次提啥就提 |
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租稅優惠絕對是一個重要最重要的一個因素了沒有租稅優惠的TISA你要未來你要整個要這個推動擴大規模我認為是有困難那租稅優惠的部分我這個我知道說我們這個金管會跟財政部現在都一直在針對這個未來租稅優惠的部分來努力這部分我因為時間的關係我就我們會後希望能夠了解 |
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但是我現在要談的就是一個問題就是說在現行沒有出稅優惠的情況之下其實我們要擴大它的規模還有兩條路可以走第一個就是我們目前勞工跟公務員的這個在退休薪資的這個自提的部分如果我們現在這些能夠把這個勞工公務員的退休的部分在自提的部分能夠把它導入TISA那我相信這個 |
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有關勞工退休的部分在勞退條例的第14條他本來就已經有規定免稅的已經有本來稅付優惠他就法定在那裡所以他把這個字體的部分投入TISA他就是享有本來勞退條例第14條所規定的這些這樣子的這個出稅優惠所以在現在的情況之下就可以做 |
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我認為這是第一件事情可以做了這個部分我現在剩下四分鐘等一下請部長一起回答第二條路我認為也非常重要就是 |
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我們要讓導入企業參與TESA的這個相關機制就是說這些企業如果企業他能夠我們設計機制讓企業他企業自己提撥一些部分然後讓他的員工也提供一些提供一部分來投入這個TESA那這部分第一個他就是他是在退休金以外 |
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為這個員工所做的這個退休的一個第三支柱就是我公司反正我一種變相的加薪我公司也提供一部分的資金然後我的這個金額相對應的你這個由員工來投入資金那這樣子來投入這個TESA的個人儲蓄賬戶 |
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這樣子的做法其實現在有一些企業已經在做了有企業在做但是我們沒有提供任何的鼓勵或者是其他的機制來鼓勵我們的企業能夠來做這個為員工來做這個個人的投資儲蓄賬戶這部分我認為是未來要擴大的一個很重要的一點這點是不是我們這個請部長就是剛我所講的兩點 |
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這是我簡單回答三件一個就是確實我們勞退薪資裡面本來就有自提的部分只是他這邊沒辦法自選但是這個部分只限於勞工那他是確實是現有既存的制度那其實可以這個方向也可以助力我們第三制度的建制 |
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對那我們接下來在跟財政部在規劃的這個內容是針對全民的我們不限於職業別所以這個範圍更廣剛剛委員講的非常的正確就是說這部分可以來支持變成另外一個支柱我們現在是希望不要有職業別的這樣的一個全面式的那個適用的一個提灑的制度那再來剛剛講企業參與的部分這當然可能要尊重財政部那邊他們在一些 |
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那租稅考量在我們過去在設計這個因為院長已經有指示我跟財政部部長針對這個所謂租稅優惠進行研議也非常感謝財政部在過程中提供非常多專業的見解我想我們會盡快來做這件事情 |
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這個我剛所講這個企業參與的部分因為現在我們的其實有很多的產業他不像每一個產業都像高科技一樣可以在那邊配股可以給這個員工加薪這個沒有但是現行的這個勞工的這些相關的這些退休的金額其實你要維持未來生計事實上還是相當的艱困所以我們鼓勵企業用這個TESA的方式企業提撥部分資金相對的資金然後你個人也提 |
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提供資金去投入個人的儲蓄跟投資這樣子的做法其實現在已經有工廠在做了已經有相關的民間企業在做我個人認為說這個是我們應該要鼓勵企業做而且我們應該要有相關的政策相關的機制來鼓勵企業做 |
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那在這裡我想除了我講這些相關的機制我這邊就請院長能夠考慮院長能夠考慮這樣子的做法是不是我剛所講的這樣子由企業來投入參與TESA這樣子的做法我們是不是從我們的這個公營事業從我們的國營事業從我們的這個相關的公普行庫從我們的這個 |
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金融的這個F4這些證交所啦 櫃買中心啦這些F4這些公司我們開始來試辦來開始推動推動讓由我們國營事業來來投入這些員工鼓勵員工引導員工進入這個開設這個TESA帳戶這樣子的方向不知道院長是不是能夠努力 |
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在司法上如果沒有異議而且雙方也都同意用這種方式我覺得往這個方向去做是一個帶頭的作用好 那我就期待我們行政院能夠這個在相關的在最短的時間內做出相關的對話這一年來TESA確實是成果不錯那我們希望能夠更加擴大 好不好好 謝謝省委員 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝沈委員 謝謝卓院長 |