| IVOD_ID |
168884 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168884 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-28T11:16:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-28T11:32:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
沈發惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:16:55 - 11:32:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院民進黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「一、立法院不分朝野堅定支持我國總統進行對外國是訪問，堅持台灣人有走向世界，與世界各國交往合作的權利。二、嚴正譴責中華人民共和國政府以脅迫手段迫使第三國撤銷我國元首專機飛航許可之粗暴行為，違反聯合國憲章、國際民航公約精神、外交關係慣例，並構成對第三國主權之公然干涉。三、促請外交部、駐外館處、國際民航組織（ICAO）之友我代表及所有可行管道，將本事件列入國際紀錄，且尋求國際民航組織、聯合國人權理事會等多邊機制之關注與因應，並就中華人民共和國對我國長期之脅迫行為，研擬完整之法律文件與政策白皮書，於年度外交報告中專章說明。四、呼籲世界上所有理念相近之民主夥伴，正視中華人民共和國對他國實施經濟與外交脅迫之行為，將其納入各國『反脅迫』（anti-coercion）之政策工具與立法檢討。並以具體行動聲援我國維護正當國際交往之權利，共同捍衛以規則為基礎之國際秩序、自由開放之國際航空體系，以及中小型國家免於威權霸凌之主權空間。中華民國是主權獨立的民主國家，任何外部勢力之脅迫、封鎖或打壓，皆不能改變我國走向世界、與民主夥伴並肩同行之決心。本院全體委員將超越黨派立場，團結一致，捍衛國家主權、民主自由與國際尊嚴。」是否有當？請公決案等2案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、同意權之行使事項：本院司法及法制、內政兩委員會報告審查「總統咨，為最高檢察署檢察總長邢泰釗任期於115年5月7日屆滿，茲依法院組織法第66條第2項規定，提名徐錫祥為最高檢察署檢察總長，咨請同意案」案。（5月5日上午）四、審計長列席報告中華民國113年度中央政府總決算審核報告等案審核經過並備諮詢。（5月5日下午）五、4月24日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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主席我們請卓院長請卓院長備詢 |
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社會好院長早 辛苦了這麼一個早上不會我想這邊有一個事情比較急所以利用今天這個總執行的機會來這邊請院長來表示意見與態度這個我們的我們立法院的這個未還委員會在明天 |
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我們在這個有排定一個審查國民黨委員的一個提案跟一個民眾黨黨團的一個提案有關於空污法空污防治法的這個一個修正草案在明天就要在委員會審查而且要在委員會通過來這個要出委員會那這次我看這幾項草案的修法重點 |
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除了這個第一個就是說他把這個空戶的許可這個許可證的效期縮短這是第一個重點第二個重點他授權這個地方政府可以自行決定禁用特定的燃料或者是燃料的限制用量這地方政府就可以自行決定 |
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第三個就是說有關行政機關怠惰未審定的這個期間之後他把過去這次你如果怠惰未審定是由政府負責你可以繼續這個許可他現在把這個說如果政府機關怠惰未審定你這個風險要由廠商來轉嫁給廠商這是第三個修法重點 |
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第四個他空白授權地方政府他可以進行變更許可他自己覺得特定的條件這空白的授權給地方政府他可以進行的這個變更這個許可那這個 |
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這個有關這樣子的修法草案上個禮拜這個工總全國工業總會跟這個廠聯會這個工業區的這個廠商聯合總會都有分別發表聲明認為說他們表示反對修法而且認為期期以為不可認為說這個衝擊非常非常的巨大 |
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因為明天的委員會審查由空污法的主管機關環境部部長出席但這個事情這個草案修正它其實不只是環境部的問題它試射我們全國幾個重大產業包括半導體產業鏈鋼鐵石化紡織造紙水泥甚至還有包括它的下游產業整個都還有甚至全國的能源跟電力的配置 |
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這些相關的問題全部都受到巨大的衝擊所以這個不單純是環境部的問題所以我今天利用這個機會我想請這個院長就這個空污法修正草案你是不是能夠表達我們行政院的政策立場好 最近幾天我們已經陸續收到 |
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也看到公開的資訊很多的工協會對這個修法表示高度的憂慮因為修法的內容讓地方政府的權限是提高了但是它既可以自行來減排也可以自行來加碼減量同時它可以在不完成審查的兩個月當中就讓整個案子成為沒有辦法繼續運用這不只限定的是任何一個用燃料的電廠 |
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會影響到很多很多的工廠很多很多的產業好那即使說只限定在電廠電廠因為這樣子沒有辦法去發電那些工廠也沒有辦法去任何的生產營業所以影響所懼啊讓業界現在非常的恐懼那我們也希望透過在野黨黨團跟執政黨黨團能夠在 |
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即將到來的這種討論或是協商或是修法的過程當中務必要以國家整體性為念不要造成各地方政府的這個權限被無限的擴大之後沒有限制各地的標準反倒不一樣 |
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那這樣中央的執法會非常的困難產業會無法適應所以這個部分我認為在修法過程當中要特別特別的注意這個事情很急啦因為明天就要審查明天衛環委員會就要審查這個後果非常嚴重啦你再放任這個地方政府空白授權認為它裡面的條文修正條案說地方政府認為國民黨的文字是這樣地方政府認為有削減加嚴操作條件是必要 |
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他就可以變更許可這個民眾黨團的更絕了他說地方政府認為有健康風險有健康風險之餘他就可以變更這完全沒有任何的標準的空白授權這樣子這整個這個對於這我剛講過對全國的這個產業鏈能源的配置對於這個電力的這個穩定供應這些都產生巨大的影響了放在地方政府各地方政府都可以自行決定 |
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我們的經濟部環境部對相關的問題現在都有一套標準在嚴格的執行所以我在這裡我在這裡也呼籲在野黨能夠以蒼生為念真的是懸崖勒馬不要一意孤行不要一意孤行那我也在這裡請卓院長我們行政院應該要堅定立場 據理力爭守護台灣的產業跟能源的穩定我會加強溝通讓這個事情能夠合理的解決好 接下來這個 |
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我在這個過去的三次總諮詢都特別關心這個我們的這個有關於亞洲資產管理中心中我那時候提出他的核心就是所謂的這個台灣個人投資儲蓄帳戶TISA有關TISA的問題我在9月20號 |
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是在立法院我第一個提出有關TISA的質詢我們行政院團隊很快的在6月23號就宣布TISA上線這部分我這邊先給予肯定我們在去年6月宣布TISA上線到現在差不多快一年的時間 |
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這一年的時間這個這中間當然還有其他的我在這個去年的十月我特別提出了有關這個也是我也是第一個提出了就是說參考美國的這個川普帳戶讓這個這個我們台灣的目前的這個兒少發展帳戶能夠普惠化能夠擴大那我看到我們院長院長在這個我們經發會的這個這個顧問會議上面表達我們要朝這個 |
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這個所謂未來帳戶的方向發展那我在這裡首先請問我們院長或者是請這個部長回答就是我們目前有關未來帳戶我們規劃時程是什麼時候大概什麼時候可以上路是先跟委員報告一下有關我們現在TISA的部分先那個這主要是謝謝委員過去有三度關心這個議題 |
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那我們在去年七月上線算是非常的順利在沒有租稅優惠之下我們平均一個月大概一萬兩千件的增加數我們現在的管理的資產是不是能夠提一下我剛所談的未來帳戶規劃跟上線 |
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未來帳戶的部分我們是只對這個兒少的部分那我們現在TESA主要主軸是針對成年人的部分我們接下來這裡會看這個兒少帳戶怎麼設計我們來銜接他的部分要銜接TESA這個是因為兩個性質不同那如果我們這個兒少帳戶能夠未來帳戶能夠順利的這個上路那未來他跟TESATESA主要是在於這個個人儲蓄投資這個是成年以後的事情成年以後對那這個銜接的話 |
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我們現在的未來帳戶因為他對象是低收中低收所以他的局限性比較大那我們期待我們是不是有一個更加的財政能力把它往後延伸把它往後延伸那延伸之後就會產生原來的這些現在已經有的這些未來帳戶的對象他是不是可以有選擇性加入TISA因為有一部分錢是他自己輸的那未來這個部分我們就可以用法律來 |
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做更好的規範是不是讓大家更有機會在TISA裡面也養成個人的一個金融理財的能力也讓他實質上增加他的實質的收入那非常好那我就是希望說我們那個這個有關目前的這個兒少發展帳戶能夠能夠普惠化能夠變成這個提供更多的在我們財政允許的情況之下提供更多的那未來能夠跟TISA整個銜接這樣就非常完整但是 |
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我現在剛剛打斷部長的報告很重要是部長在報告TESA這一年來的成果這一年來成果確實是不錯我們推動一年好像現在目前不管在開戶的開戶數或者是整個資金規模TESA的申購金額跟他庫存的金額整個都有大幅成長 |
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但是這是第一階段未來我們在這一年裡面我們整個基本上都是仰賴個人的自發參與的國民個人自發參與它的擴大大概到現在這樣做到十二萬戶未來要仰賴個人參與要再擴大還需要一些努力這些努力我個人認為剛剛有提到我個人認為我從第一次提啥就提 |
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租稅優惠絕對是一個重要最重要的一個因素了沒有租稅優惠的TISA你要未來你要整個要這個推動擴大規模我認為是有困難那租稅優惠的部分我這個我知道說我們這個金管會跟財政部現在都一直在針對這個未來租稅優惠的部分來努力這部分我因為時間的關係我就我們會後希望能夠了解 |
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但是我現在要談的就是一個問題就是說在現行沒有出稅優惠的情況之下其實我們要擴大它的規模還有兩條路可以走第一個就是我們目前勞工跟公務員的這個在退休薪資的這個自提的部分如果我們現在這些能夠把這個勞工公務員的退休的部分在自提的部分能夠把它導入TISA那我相信這個 |
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有關勞工退休的部分在勞退條例的第14條他本來就已經有規定免稅的已經有本來稅付優惠他就法定在那裡所以他把這個字體的部分投入TISA他就是享有本來勞退條例第14條所規定的這些這樣子的這個出稅優惠所以在現在的情況之下就可以做 |
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我認為這是第一件事情可以做了這個部分我現在剩下四分鐘等一下請部長一起回答第二條路我認為也非常重要就是 |
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我們要讓導入企業參與TESA的這個相關機制就是說這些企業如果企業他能夠我們設計機制讓企業他企業自己提撥一些部分然後讓他的員工也提供一些提供一部分來投入這個TESA那這部分第一個他就是他是在退休金以外 |
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為這個員工所做的這個退休的一個第三支柱就是我公司反正我一種變相的加薪我公司也提供一部分的資金然後我的這個金額相對應的你這個由員工來投入資金那這樣子來投入這個TESA的個人儲蓄賬戶 |
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這樣子的做法其實現在有一些企業已經在做了有企業在做但是我們沒有提供任何的鼓勵或者是其他的機制來鼓勵我們的企業能夠來做這個為員工來做這個個人的投資儲蓄賬戶這部分我認為是未來要擴大的一個很重要的一點這點是不是我們這個請部長就是剛我所講的兩點 |
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這是我簡單回答三件一個就是確實我們勞退薪資裡面本來就有自提的部分只是他這邊沒辦法自選但是這個部分只限於勞工那他是確實是現有既存的制度那其實可以這個方向也可以助力我們第三制度的建制 |
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對那我們接下來在跟財政部在規劃的這個內容是針對全民的我們不限於職業別所以這個範圍更廣剛剛委員講的非常的正確就是說這部分可以來支持變成另外一個支柱我們現在是希望不要有職業別的這樣的一個全面式的那個適用的一個提灑的制度那再來剛剛講企業參與的部分這當然可能要尊重財政部那邊他們在一些 |
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那租稅考量在我們過去在設計這個因為院長已經有指示我跟財政部部長針對這個所謂租稅優惠進行研議也非常感謝財政部在過程中提供非常多專業的見解我想我們會盡快來做這件事情 |
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這個我剛所講這個企業參與的部分因為現在我們的其實有很多的產業他不像每一個產業都像高科技一樣可以在那邊配股可以給這個員工加薪這個沒有但是現行的這個勞工的這些相關的這些退休的金額其實你要維持未來生計事實上還是相當的艱困所以我們鼓勵企業用這個TESA的方式企業提撥部分資金相對的資金然後你個人也提 |
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提供資金去投入個人的儲蓄跟投資這樣子的做法其實現在已經有工廠在做了已經有相關的民間企業在做我個人認為說這個是我們應該要鼓勵企業做而且我們應該要有相關的政策相關的機制來鼓勵企業做 |
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那在這裡我想除了我講這些相關的機制我這邊就請院長能夠考慮院長能夠考慮這樣子的做法是不是我剛所講的這樣子由企業來投入參與TESA這樣子的做法我們是不是從我們的這個公營事業從我們的國營事業從我們的這個相關的公普行庫從我們的這個 |
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金融的這個F4這些證交所啦 櫃買中心啦這些F4這些公司我們開始來試辦來開始推動推動讓由我們國營事業來來投入這些員工鼓勵員工引導員工進入這個開設這個TESA帳戶這樣子的方向不知道院長是不是能夠努力 |
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在司法上如果沒有異議而且雙方也都同意用這種方式我覺得往這個方向去做是一個帶頭的作用好 那我就期待我們行政院能夠這個在相關的在最短的時間內做出相關的對話這一年來TESA確實是成果不錯那我們希望能夠更加擴大 好不好好 謝謝省委員 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝沈委員 謝謝卓院長 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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主席，我們請卓院長。 |
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主席 |
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請卓院長備詢。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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沈委員好。 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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院長早，辛苦了！ |
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沈委員發惠 |
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一個早上的備詢。不會。 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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這邊有個事情比較急，所以利用今天總質詢的機會來這邊請院長表示意見與態度。 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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2026-04-28T11:19:07.630000+08:00 |
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立法院衛環委員會排定審查國民黨委員跟民眾黨黨團的提案有關於空污防制法修正草案，明天就要在委員會進行審查，而且要在委員會通過並送出委員會，我看這幾項草案的修法重點，大概除了第一個是把空污許可證的效期縮短，這是第一個重點；第二個重點，授權地方政府可以自行決定禁用特定的燃料或者是燃料的限制用量，這個地方政府就可以自行決定；第三個，有關行政機關怠惰未審定的期間，過去如果怠惰未審定是由政府負責，你可以繼續這個許可，但他現在把政府機關怠惰未審定的風險轉嫁給廠商，這是第三個修法重點；第四個，空白授權地方政府，他可以逕行變更許可，在他自己覺得特定的條件下，空白授權給地方政府，他可以逕行變更許可。 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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有關這樣的修法草案，上個禮拜全國工業總會跟廠聯會，就是工業區廠商聯合總會，都有分別發表聲明，他們表示反對修法，而且認為期期以為不可，覺得這個衝擊非常非常巨大。 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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2026-04-28T11:19:31.064000+08:00 |
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因為明天委員會的審查由空污法的主管機關環境部部長出席，但這個草案修正其實不只是環境部的問題，它事涉全國幾個重大產業，包括半導體產業鏈、鋼鐵、石化、紡織、造紙、水泥，甚至還有包括他的下游產業，甚至全國的能源與電力配置，這些相關的問題全部都遭受到巨大的衝擊，不單純是環境部的問題，所以我今天利用這個機會請院長就空污法修正草案是不是能夠表達行政院的政策立場？ |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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最近幾天我們已經陸續收到，也看到公開的資訊，很多公協會對於這個修法表示高度憂慮。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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因為修法的內容讓地方政府的權限提高了，但是他既可以自行減排，也可以自行加碼減量，同時他可以在不完成審查的兩個月當中，就讓整個案子沒有辦法繼續運作，這不只是限定任何一個用燃料的電廠，會影響到很多、很多的工廠及產業。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-28T11:21:07.015000+08:00 |
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即使只限定在電廠，電廠因為這樣沒有辦法繼續發電，那些工廠也沒有辦法做任何生產、營業，所以影響甚鉅，讓業界現在非常恐懼。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-28T11:21:07.175000+08:00 |
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我們也希望透過在野黨黨團與執政黨黨團能夠在即將到來的討論、協商，或是修法的過程當中，務必要以國家整體性為念，不要造成各地方政府的權限被無限擴大之後，沒有限制，各地的標準反倒不一樣，這樣中央執法會非常困難，產業會無法適應，所以這個部分我認為在修法過程當中要特別、特別的注意。 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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這個事情很急，因為明天衛環委員會就要審查，這個後果非常嚴重，放任地方政府與空白授權，國民黨的修正條文文字是這樣，地方政府認為有削減或加嚴操作條件之必要就可以變更許可。 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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民眾黨團的更絕，說地方政府認為有危害健康風險之虞就可以變更。 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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完全沒有任何標準的空白授權，這樣子我剛剛講過，對全國的產業鏈、能源配置，對於電力的穩定供應，這些都產生巨大的影響，放任地方政府，各地方政府都可以自行決定，這個影響非常大。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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經濟部、環境部對相關的問題，現在都有一套標準在嚴格執行。 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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所以我在這裡也呼籲在野黨能夠以蒼生為念，真的要懸崖勒馬，不要一意孤行。 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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我也在這裡請卓院長，行政院應該要堅定立場，據理力爭，守護臺灣的產業及能源的穩定。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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我會請部會加強溝通，讓這個事情能夠合理的解決。 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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接下來，我在過去3次的總質詢都特別關心亞洲資產管理中心，那時候我提出它的核心就是臺灣個人投資儲蓄帳戶（TISA），有關TISA的問題，9月20號在立法院我是第一個提出有關TISA的質詢，行政院團隊很快地在6月23號就宣布TISA上線，這部分我先給予肯定。 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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2026-04-28T11:23:54.635000+08:00 |
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去年6月宣布TISA上線到現在，差不多快一年的時間，去年10月我特別提出，也是第一個提出，就是參考美國的川普帳戶讓臺灣目前的兒少發展帳戶能夠普惠化、能夠擴大。 |
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1 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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2026-04-28T11:23:55.435000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:24:05.600000+08:00 |
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我看到院長有在經發會的顧問會議上面表達要朝未來帳戶的方向發展。 |
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0.967 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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2026-04-28T11:24:06.201000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:24:16.209000+08:00 |
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我在這裡首先請問院長或者是請主委回答，就是目前有關未來帳戶的規劃時程大概什麼時候可以上路？ |
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0.93 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-28T11:24:16.209000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-28T11:24:18.091000+08:00 |
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請主委回答。 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-04-28T11:24:18.091000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:24:39.267000+08:00 |
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先跟委員報告一下有關現在TISA的部分，謝謝委員過去有三度關心這個議題，我們在去年7月上線算是非常順利，在沒有租稅優惠之下，平均一個月大概1萬2,000件的增加數，現在管理的資產…… |
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0.987 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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2026-04-28T11:24:39.267000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:24:42.649000+08:00 |
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主委，時間有限，你是不是能夠提一下我剛剛所談的未來帳戶的規劃及上線時程？ |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-04-28T11:24:45.191000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:24:55.916000+08:00 |
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未來帳戶的部分，我們是只針對兒少的部分，我們現在TISA主要的主軸是針對成年人的部分，接下來我們會看這個兒少帳戶怎麼設計，我們來銜接這個部分。 |
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0.894 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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2026-04-28T11:24:56.076000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:25:11.644000+08:00 |
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對，要銜接TISA，因為兩個性質不同，如果這個兒少的未來帳戶能夠順利上路，未來它跟TISA，TISA主要是個人儲蓄投資的部分，這是成年以後的事情…… |
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0.864 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-04-28T11:25:11.684000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:25:13.004000+08:00 |
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成年以後，對。 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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2026-04-28T11:25:13.625000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:25:13.805000+08:00 |
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這個銜接的部分…… |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-28T11:25:15.426000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:25:25.110000+08:00 |
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三點跟委員報告，我們現在未來帳戶的對象是低收、中低收，所以侷限性比較大，我們期待是不是有一個更佳的財政能力，把它往後延伸…… |
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0.818 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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2026-04-28T11:25:25.110000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-28T11:25:27.312000+08:00 |
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對，我現在就是希望…… |
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0 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-28T11:25:27.312000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:25:49.183000+08:00 |
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延伸之後，就會產生原來這些未來帳戶的對象是不是可以選擇性加入TISA，因為有一部分錢是他自己出的，未來這個部分，我們就可以用法律來做更好的規範，是不是讓大家更有機會藉由TISA養成個人的金融理財能力，也實質上增加他的收入。 |
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0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
沈委員發惠 |
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2026-04-28T11:25:49.563000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:26:06.152000+08:00 |
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那非常好，我就是希望有關兒少發展帳戶能夠普惠化，在我們財政允許的情況之下能夠提供更多，未來跟TISA整個來做銜接，這樣就非常完整。 |
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0.933 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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2026-04-28T11:26:07.393000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:27:09.128000+08:00 |
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我剛剛打斷主委的報告，主委在報告TISA這一年來的成果，這一年來的成果確實是不錯，我們推動一年不管是開戶數或是整個資金規模，TISA的申購金額跟庫存金額都有大幅成長，但這是第一階段，在這一年裡面，基本上都是仰賴國民個人的自發參與，擴大到現在大概是12萬戶，未來要仰賴個人參與再擴大，還需要一些努力，而這些努力，我從第一次提到TISA就有提，租稅優惠絕對是最重要的一個因素，沒有租稅優惠的TISA，未來要推動擴大規模，我認為是有困難。 |
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0.898 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
沈委員發惠 |
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2026-04-28T11:27:09.248000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:27:23.471000+08:00 |
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租稅優惠的部分，我知道金管會跟財政部都有一直在針對未來租稅優惠的部分努力，因為時間的關係，這部分我們就會後來進行了解。 |
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0.855 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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2026-04-28T11:27:25.233000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:28:18.631000+08:00 |
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但是我現在要談的一個問題就是，在現行沒有租稅優惠的情況之下，我們要擴大它的規模，其實還有兩條路可以走，第一個就是在目前勞工跟公務員退休金新制的自提部分，如果能夠把勞工及公務員的退休自提部分導入TISA，因為有關勞工退休的部分，在勞退條例的第十四條本來就已經有規定免稅，本來就有稅賦優惠，本來就已經有法律規定，所以把這個自提的部分投入TISA，就是享有本來勞退條例第十四條所規定的租稅優惠，所以在現在的情況下就可以做，我認為這是第一件可以做的事情。 |
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0.833 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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2026-04-28T11:28:20.315000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:28:24.463000+08:00 |
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我現在剩下4分鐘，等一下再請部長一起回答。 |
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0.944 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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2026-04-28T11:28:25.565000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:28:47.982000+08:00 |
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第二條路我認為也非常重要，就是我們要導入企業參與TISA相關機制，我們設計機制讓企業自己提撥一些部分，讓它的員工也提供一部分投入TISA。 |
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0.954 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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2026-04-28T11:28:49.062000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:29:07.314000+08:00 |
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有關這部分，第一個，這是在退休金以外為員工所做的退休的第三支柱，就是公司的一種變相加薪，公司提供一部分資金，另外相對應地員工也來投入資金，以這樣來投入TISA的個人儲蓄帳戶。 |
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0.863 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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2026-04-28T11:29:17.320000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:29:36.228000+08:00 |
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這樣的做法其實現在有一些企業已經在做了，但是我們沒有提供任何的鼓勵或是其他機制來鼓勵我們的企業也為員工來投入個人的投資儲蓄帳戶，這部分我認為是未來要擴大的很重要的一點。 |
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0.951 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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2026-04-28T11:29:36.228000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:29:38.209000+08:00 |
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是不是請主委就剛剛我所講的兩點來做回應？ |
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0.632 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-04-28T11:29:42.211000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:29:50.301000+08:00 |
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是，我簡短回答三點，一個是確實在勞退新制裡面本來就有自提的部分，只是他這邊沒辦法自選。 |
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0.872 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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2026-04-28T11:29:50.301000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-28T11:29:51.301000+08:00 |
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對，沒辦法自選。 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-04-28T11:29:50.301000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:30:00.152000+08:00 |
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但是這個部分只限於勞工，這確實是現有既存的制度，這個方向也可以助力我們第三支柱的建置。 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-04-28T11:30:01.273000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:30:17.728000+08:00 |
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我們接下來跟財政部規劃的內容是針對全民的、不限於職業別，所以這個範圍更廣，剛剛委員講得非常正確，這部分可以來支持、變成另外一個支柱，我們現在是希望不要有職業別、全面式適用的TISA制度。 |
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0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-04-28T11:30:18.569000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:30:40.531000+08:00 |
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再來，剛剛講企業參與的部分，這可能要尊重財政部的租稅考量，我們過去設計這個的時候，因為院長已經有指示我跟財政部部長針對所謂的租稅優惠進行研議，也非常感謝財政部在過程中提供非常多專業的見解，我想我們會儘快來做這件事情。好。 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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2026-04-28T11:30:41.932000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:31:19.395000+08:00 |
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關於我剛剛所講的企業參與部分，其實不是每一個產業都像高科技一樣可以配股、可以給員工加薪，但是現行相關的勞工退休金額對於維持未來的生計事實上還是相當的艱困，所以我們鼓勵企業用TISA的方式，企業提撥部分相對的資金，然後個人也提供資金去投入個人的儲蓄跟投資，這樣子的做法其實現在已經有工廠在做了、已經有相關的民間企業在做。 |
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| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
沈委員發惠 |
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2026-04-28T11:31:20.095000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:31:27.301000+08:00 |
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我個人認為這個我們應該要鼓勵企業做，而且我們應該要有相關的政策、相關的機制來鼓勵企業做。 |
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1 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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2026-04-28T11:31:30.302000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:32:13.774000+08:00 |
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講到這些相關的機制，我在這邊請院長能夠考慮這樣子的做法，關於我剛剛講到由企業投入參與TISA的做法，是不是可以從我們的公營事業、國營事業、公股行庫、金融F4像證交所、櫃買中心等等這些公司開始來試辦、推動，由國營事業來投入這些員工並鼓勵員工、引導員工開設TISA帳戶，這樣子的方向不曉得院長是不是能夠努力？ |
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0.878 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-28T11:32:14.864000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:32:22.690000+08:00 |
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在適法上如果沒有疑義，而且雙方也都同意用這種方式，我覺得往這個方向去做是一個帶頭的作用。 |
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0.927 |
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沈委員發惠 |
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2026-04-28T11:32:23.110000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:32:29.415000+08:00 |
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好，我就期待我們行政院能夠在最短的時間內做出相關的規劃。 |
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0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
沈委員發惠 |
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2026-04-28T11:32:30.195000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:32:34.999000+08:00 |
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這一年來TISA確實是成果不錯，我們希望能夠更加擴大，好不好？ |
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0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-28T11:32:35.499000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:32:35.599000+08:00 |
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是，謝謝沈委員。 |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-04-28T11:32:35.599000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:32:35.599000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員。 |
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0.5 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-28T11:32:42.943000+08:00 |
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2026-04-28T11:32:43.805000+08:00 |
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謝謝沈委員、謝謝卓院長。 |
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1 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-28T11:32:44.305000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-28T11:32:47.447857+08:00 |
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下一位請葛如鈞委員質詢。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-28T11:32:47.747857+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-28T11:32:58.033571+08:00 |
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報告院會，現在在議場2樓旁聽席的是花蓮縣手工藝業職業工會的朋友，在這邊歡迎你們。 |
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0 |