| IVOD_ID |
168879 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168879 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-28T15:21:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-28T15:37:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/35437261a170eb0387f518d048bf27b566e90e72df29f72f83710ce15de464031e0ef36d357a05ce5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:21:22 - 15:37:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院民進黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「一、立法院不分朝野堅定支持我國總統進行對外國是訪問，堅持台灣人有走向世界，與世界各國交往合作的權利。二、嚴正譴責中華人民共和國政府以脅迫手段迫使第三國撤銷我國元首專機飛航許可之粗暴行為，違反聯合國憲章、國際民航公約精神、外交關係慣例，並構成對第三國主權之公然干涉。三、促請外交部、駐外館處、國際民航組織（ICAO）之友我代表及所有可行管道，將本事件列入國際紀錄，且尋求國際民航組織、聯合國人權理事會等多邊機制之關注與因應，並就中華人民共和國對我國長期之脅迫行為，研擬完整之法律文件與政策白皮書，於年度外交報告中專章說明。四、呼籲世界上所有理念相近之民主夥伴，正視中華人民共和國對他國實施經濟與外交脅迫之行為，將其納入各國『反脅迫』（anti-coercion）之政策工具與立法檢討。並以具體行動聲援我國維護正當國際交往之權利，共同捍衛以規則為基礎之國際秩序、自由開放之國際航空體系，以及中小型國家免於威權霸凌之主權空間。中華民國是主權獨立的民主國家，任何外部勢力之脅迫、封鎖或打壓，皆不能改變我國走向世界、與民主夥伴並肩同行之決心。本院全體委員將超越黨派立場，團結一致，捍衛國家主權、民主自由與國際尊嚴。」是否有當？請公決案等2案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、同意權之行使事項：本院司法及法制、內政兩委員會報告審查「總統咨，為最高檢察署檢察總長邢泰釗任期於115年5月7日屆滿，茲依法院組織法第66條第2項規定，提名徐錫祥為最高檢察署檢察總長，咨請同意案」案。（5月5日上午）四、審計長列席報告中華民國113年度中央政府總決算審核報告等案審核經過並備諮詢。（5月5日下午）五、4月24日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝江副院長我想要請卓院長還有鎮部長吳主委我們請卓院長、鎮部長、吳主委請備選謝謝委員長卓院長午安我想要請問一下 |
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國發會還有預估2025到2028我們AI的人口的缺口即將要達到了35萬人那今年賴總統就宣布是AI的人才年我想要請問一下 |
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現在我們怎麼樣子協助企業因為根據人工智慧科技基金會他的調查顯示台灣的產業AI化大調查裡面 |
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在組織端有44.7%的企業都沒有制定任何的AI人才的培訓那有61.8%的AI的企業他的AI應用是在組織之外那真正有把整個AI融入核心的企業的這樣子的運作只有6.6%那我想要請問鄭部長的 |
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怎麼樣子不讓我們的AI教育只是成為學校的通識教育而是真的能夠運用到企業你從這樣子的一個調查看起來目前企業好像沒有辦法真的運用那還是我們在AI人才上面是真的缺乏呢 |
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跟我們報告謝謝我很關心我們在AI人才培育到學校的能量怎麼樣去加惠到產業的AI能力的提升確實我們隨著AI科技的快速發展跟我們報告一個數據在去年的時候你說二刀流對不對教育人才二刀流我們教育在中小學老師我們大概有兩萬 |
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兩萬個老師的一個這個在職徵人去年但是在今年在上個月我們已經增加到五萬人也就是說我們透過這一個許多這個研習這個老師的培訓徵人我們從 |
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這個校長老師到家長我們也包含怎麼樣去使用這個科技AI的這許多的注意事項包含老師的教學我們都有提供了這個你現在講的你不要只賴總統講二刀流你就講二刀流 |
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現在AI的運用不只要二刀流三刀流四刀流五刀流全面性嘛是不是各科技都要跟AI運用嘛我只是舉我們老師的一個教訓已經有增加50% |
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另外就是在大學端我們有TICA我們從這一個前年的一個9月我們就開始從大學裡面因為我們並不是每一個大學都像台城清交有非常豐富的AI專長的一個領域的老師我們也開始結合大學的資源你講到重點了是不是AI領域的老師甚至是在我們AI人才上都是缺乏的嘛對不對 |
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我們再快速的讓新世代的這些大學生研究生他們也能夠儘管學校可能沒有這方面的專長我們也透過線上用這個結合台城清交的師資來協助我講的是源頭吳主委 |
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你也非常重視AI人才的共同的培訓你知道企業如果缺乏AI人才未來整體我們台灣要發展AI那真的就是怎麼樣子緣木求魚嗎是不是報告委員因為AI進展非常快速所以我們大部分企業社會需要的人才都是要在職在業培訓我們學校教育當然是全民性在訓練現在的學生可是目前經濟部是很努力 |
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在推動在職培訓那我們教育部的這個技職體系的學校其實也很努力在做產學合作所以從學校跟企業端政府現在都大力在培訓我們AI的人才我知道你們都想要大力培訓可是從源頭就不夠那我想請問你們有沒有考慮過業界實質 |
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有沒有辦法導入業界實質就是從實務界AI界因為我們現在一直在推的是說什麼數位游牧我們希望說這樣子數位游牧他們的簽證可以比較久 |
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這個部分還有我們希望向外攬財再就向外攬財到台灣來以及整個我們怎麼樣減少學用落差那我想請問過去行政院有沒有討論過業界失職 |
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委員這個建議是很好你有討論過嗎?吳主委國會跟政府跟那個現在討論了是不是?不是,我們討論過了我講跟委員報告,對不起我來打岔首先要感謝我們這個大院的支持在我們特別預算裡面有提供了199.4億來支持這個攬財 |
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那包含我們也因為這樣提出了一個所謂類醫學院的包含這個產學怎麼樣合作我們確實是有這個考慮到說我們怎麼樣去把業界在科技產業的這些知識能夠引進到大學裡面有一個共聘合聘的一個機制那另外呢也跟委員報告我們確實教育部現在在規劃一個AI世代這個未來人才的一個想像圖像 |
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引用了這個借用了我們像這個以前Google這個簡立峰還有我們這個鴻海的一個研究院的這一個總經理他們的院長我們有許多業界來幫我們來規劃來想像我們在這個AI的世代裡邊我們未來的人才包含從小學到大學所有的 |
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這樣的一個能力我講的是從源頭所以產業這邊已經開始剛才吳主委也特別提到產業怎麼跟學校裡面有許多的產學合作我們這一個事實上管道都是暢通的產學合作跟合併現在我們會同步進行所以會善用業界的私製人才所以產學合作跟合併所以在法律上沒有問題 |
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就是沒有問題的沒有問題那怎麼樣子在這幾年間就是2025到2028我們要解決這個35萬的缺口那怎麼樣子能夠擴大這一種人才的培訓以及你不要再講二刀流了吧對不對 二刀流不夠嘛你為什麼不敢大膽的講 卓院長 |
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為什麼不敢大膽的講二刀流夠嗎二刀流夠嗎你現在需要跨領域的合作是不是各個領域都要介入各行各業百工百業現在你們在推AI在導入AI那你只有什麼二刀流那其他的都不用哪兩個科系哪兩個科系要是每一個科系都可能需要AI的導入是不是 |
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是我們的確對各行各業我們都會去協助所以我們也會發展相關的工具這個工具讓各行各業都可以使用那卓議院長那目標有沒有可能達成350萬的不是350萬35萬的AI人才缺口這個在我們AI新十大建設當中也有一個區塊是人才的培育跟資金的引入在人才培育當中從過去經濟部 |
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跟教育部 國科會等等都有不同的計畫在做執行比方說我們有一個steam的這個先進的人才的培訓就有一個4700位的人才希望能夠培訓出來當然人才培訓不是一朝一夕那我們在你有沒有辦法達成目標啦 |
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我們既然設定目標就是逐步向目標前進逐步連來達成這個目標但是這個現在的困難度是業界也非常的欠缺各種的人才我們要從業界的業師來除非說跟學校來做大規模的這種產學合作合併否則困難還是有的 |
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而且現在不只是在大學部分的AI的失智不夠所以我才提是不是叫業界失智然後在中小學高中的部分我回到彰化一看在偏遠在偏鄉的非六都以外的最大的縣市結果 |
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不管是AI的失之也好不管是设备也好可能都有欠缺这怎么解决呢 |
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我們希望這個數位的落差我們能夠照過去的計畫能夠逐步的把它擬平起來各個城鄉之間數位的落差這個是在硬體設備上面的那至於說實質因為小學國中我們讓他提早進入到AI的領域當中絕對是需要的那他所需要的就不是那種最高深的而是基本的那基本的人才我們經過這樣的培訓是可以在學校裡面找到培訓的對象 |
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卓院長你不要講得太快喔我跟你講這有陷阱喔問題是你問問鄭部長鄭部長你們是不是有針對13歲以下的學生你們有一個英才網易度這樣子的一個工具他說在防範學生私下使用通用型的AI就像CheckGDP還像Gimli我想請教喔 |
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我們這樣子會不會有政策矛盾一方面我們希望學生可以趕快的銜接AI一方面我們又不希望他用AI當然我們現在在使用網路或者是科技的工具的時候你用Gemini用ChatGPT好像是日常一樣 |
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那你應該是教導學生怎麼樣正確的使用嘛這個就是教育的一部分不能讓他盡興依賴你這樣子來看吳主委你看一下如果這樣子中小學的教育會不會導致我們AI的政策有矛盾性 |
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委員講的我非常同意就是說我們從小要教小朋友讓他知道AI的能力跟他的限制他可能會造成的危害讓他了解這一點然後老師要教他善用這個AI的工具在沒有指導之下讓他自己去使用的確是有危險 |
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但是我們要善用嘛要教他怎麼樣檢查嘛檢查就是說我們運用Google找出來的資料是否有正確性嘛這都是我們大人我們在社會上大家都會正確的在想辦法在使用這個可是如果我們在中小學的這個AI教育以及AI師資大學都沒有了 |
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我們中小學AI怎麼辦中委員包括委員所關心的跟所擔心的確實就是我們教育部現在所規劃的我們希望在小學階段裡面12歲以下他不要用深層式AI是在老師裡的一個指導怎麼使用因為許多的這一些深層式許多的一個資訊到底怎麼樣去判斷很多的東西能力他都是必須要被指導然後被引導被老師來教導然後慢慢的而且他不能只是完全靠電腦深層 |
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所有的資訊所以代表中小學生不能用Google不能用Google因為現在Google已經你知道嗎我說Google已經都已經要讓學生建立一個正確的觀念我想在許多的一個學習過程我們希望他能夠更養成一個能夠提問題而且能夠辨別 |
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這個訊息的一個真偽而且不是只是解決問題的時候只是把題目丟給電腦然後深層式AI幫他找答案我想這裡邊我們是有一套的從產業的專業到這個學科領域的專家我們事實上現在就是在討論這一個基本能力而且我們初步的那一個的規劃的圖像已經各個年級的一個目標能力的一個培養跟要怎麼樣有 |
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使用這個科技的一些倫理這些我們都納入規劃那怎麼樣解決偏鄉以及就是目前AI失之還甚至我提到了甚至是雙語的教育也有失之的這樣子的問題 |
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我想我們確實在這一個部分這一個政策當我們今年的預算過以後我們事實上已經跟22個地方縣市這個不用等預算過啦這個現在就可以做了啦我們確實這裡邊包含地方跟中央怎麼合作讓所有的學生在未來裡邊我們逐年能夠每一個學生都有所謂的 |
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這個iPad能夠直接在學校裡面的學習包含我們的酷音網事實上我們都在整個網頁的許多的線上的一個學習的一個資源都已經開發好了而且這也都是結合AI裡面 |
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所以這個部分也利用這個機會跟我們報告我不是在說這個 而是我們中央跟地方已經有一個合作模式包含電腦的採購中央要多少地方付多少都已經傳統了這還是賴總統所自己宣示的嘛今年是AI人才年嘛那我們怎麼樣培訓AI的人才嘛 |
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這個東西不用等預算這個東西你們整個行政院都應該大力去做啊是不是那你們沒有做導致於現在在基層在各縣市大家在找這個AI的師資在找雙語的師資等等的都面臨相關的問題未來在我們怎麼樣子全力發展AI產業的時候這都是一個非常嚴重的問題我希望 |
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主席 |