| IVOD_ID |
168878 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168878 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-28T15:04:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-28T15:21:09+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/35437261a170eb030f321edb0d212ff866e90e72df29f72f83710ce15de464031932705a9722646d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭正鈐 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:04:59 - 15:21:09 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院民進黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「一、立法院不分朝野堅定支持我國總統進行對外國是訪問，堅持台灣人有走向世界，與世界各國交往合作的權利。二、嚴正譴責中華人民共和國政府以脅迫手段迫使第三國撤銷我國元首專機飛航許可之粗暴行為，違反聯合國憲章、國際民航公約精神、外交關係慣例，並構成對第三國主權之公然干涉。三、促請外交部、駐外館處、國際民航組織（ICAO）之友我代表及所有可行管道，將本事件列入國際紀錄，且尋求國際民航組織、聯合國人權理事會等多邊機制之關注與因應，並就中華人民共和國對我國長期之脅迫行為，研擬完整之法律文件與政策白皮書，於年度外交報告中專章說明。四、呼籲世界上所有理念相近之民主夥伴，正視中華人民共和國對他國實施經濟與外交脅迫之行為，將其納入各國『反脅迫』（anti-coercion）之政策工具與立法檢討。並以具體行動聲援我國維護正當國際交往之權利，共同捍衛以規則為基礎之國際秩序、自由開放之國際航空體系，以及中小型國家免於威權霸凌之主權空間。中華民國是主權獨立的民主國家，任何外部勢力之脅迫、封鎖或打壓，皆不能改變我國走向世界、與民主夥伴並肩同行之決心。本院全體委員將超越黨派立場，團結一致，捍衛國家主權、民主自由與國際尊嚴。」是否有當？請公決案等2案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、同意權之行使事項：本院司法及法制、內政兩委員會報告審查「總統咨，為最高檢察署檢察總長邢泰釗任期於115年5月7日屆滿，茲依法院組織法第66條第2項規定，提名徐錫祥為最高檢察署檢察總長，咨請同意案」案。（5月5日上午）四、審計長列席報告中華民國113年度中央政府總決算審核報告等案審核經過並備諮詢。（5月5日下午）五、4月24日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝主席 我想請一下行政院卓榮泰院長請卓榮泰院長備詢 |
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我想第一個問題的部分要跟文化部有關因為公視基金會董監事的問題其實持續很多年都引起國人很大的關注公視其實是全民的公視,我們大家都理解 |
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那監察院在2023年就已經有發文糾正行政院跟文化部而且很具體的提到了幾件事情第一個是直接講到第五屆到第七屆的董監事的改選長期延宕那這個問題很具體那麼第二對於整個補提名的部分不積極然後對於整個制度沒有完全的法制化 |
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那這個在五到七屆的時候監察院已經糾正過了現在第八屆 情況還是一樣同樣的問題還是一樣持續的一個上演當中那我們知道在去年的十二月十七號的時候就是第一波的一個董監事提名過了有四席董事 四席監事都過了不過到了四月九號的時候有八席的審查委員聯名 |
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辭職導致4月16號的問題流會我想請教一下卓院長三年前就已經糾正了問題為什麼今天還卡在同樣一個坑裡面可不可以請院長回答我們要去研究這幾位董事他提出辭職的原因是什麼 |
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他提出的辭呈原因的時候就表示就是文化部在提名就是新的董監事人選的時候不願意去提早去做溝通那麼在這個部分我們針對公共辨識是政黨協商出來的名單才數成這個董事會嗎所以任何的名單送進去就由委員來審查 |
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理解齁 這個都沒有問題齁我覺得就是理論上面來說的時候文化部可以直接提了沒有問題齁可是問題是齁我想請教一下齁因為對於整個公共電視法第13條它很清楚的基本上是一個高門檻的一個共識決的一個高共識的一個制度要三分之二的多數決才能夠通過齁那所以說行政院這邊不是提完名之後提了名單 |
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就結束了文化部也不是想要怎麼送這個名單就送這個名單因為你要達成三分之二的高門檻的共識這是一個很重要的一個法律的一個前提所以我們看到這個問題就是目前我們看到文化部他有一些回應他沒有提早去整合也沒有提早去建立共識就把責任推給了審查委員跟在野黨 |
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那我覺得有些指控其實非常的嚴重啦比方說文化部長直接提到說就是今天的困境就是因為在野黨擱置所致不能怪我們其實我有個疑問是如果不能夠怪文化部那是要怪卓院長嗎卓院長提了一個不願意去溝通的一個部長導致現在公視的董監事一直卡在這個地方可不可以請院長做個回答委員您的這番話對李遠部長是非常的不夠尊重 |
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他花了很多的時間去尋訪各界適合擔任董事的這些人名單出來而且真的是耗費非常多的精神一一的去說服拜託了解尋訪去找人沒有問題重點是需要審查委員會同意三分之二高門檻同意 |
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所以你找你花了很多的時間無用的時間去找到的人然後審查委員會不願意接受也沒有辦法提到審查委員會來審查委員會連審查都不審查就辭職那這是誰的責任 |
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之前的時候因為之前去年12月已經審查過一次所以顯然當時提出來的人沒有辦法讓審查委員會同意所以我在這邊的時候我想特別問到一個問題我想請教一下院長你知不知道第七屆的時候 |
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公事董監事審查委員的比例是怎麼樣的一個情況院長知不知道我知道每一屆公事董事都非常難纏可是第七屆他也就順利第二次就順利通過了你知道第七屆的時候公事董監事的審查委員比例是怎麼樣的一個組成嗎部長知不知道 |
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第七屆公視董監事審查委員的比例部長知不知道用政黨比例啊對 政黨比例是多少多少10比5啊10比5 誰10執政黨啊執政黨10可是那時候是四分之三啊那個時候那五個人也是杯葛啊你稍微那個我看一下2022年的時候第七屆的時候的人數比例也不是10比5不是你講的這個狀態 |
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第七屆的時候公視董建勢的審查委員民進黨有八席然後國民黨有四席當時民眾黨一席然後時代力量有一席 |
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這樣子的一個情況的時候在2022年當時李永德部長的時候他第一次提也沒有通過可是他很務實的去處理去面對整個審查委員會的一個結構所以他在第二波的時候就順利通過有12席董事通過12席董事通過的時候其中還有9席 |
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是一致決 世襲委員全部都通過的這個就是溝通的一個能量嘛那我們現在看到文化部的時候呢就是沒有打算要做好好的溝通你找了很多人沒有問題可是第一波的時候去年12月的時候已經很清楚知道只有世襲董事過關還有這麼多行沒有過關你第二次要在提名的時候是不是要做更多的溝通 |
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我覺得溝通是很重要的 你可以讓我回答可以 不打緊回答公視法裡面就是不能夠讓政黨介入 黨政軍退出才會用政黨比例派出社會公正人士所以現在的審查委員就全部都是政黨比例推出來的一個公正人士為什麼要政黨協商 |
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他已經代表民眾我們不講協商我們講事前的溝通你連溝通都不願意嗎我以後的一個狀態部長你在這邊的時候你連事前去做溝通都不願意我們看到你以前當作家的時候我以前曾經是你的讀者你在給要流浪的孩子裡面特別提到 |
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溝通是教育當中最重要的一個工作你在寫到爸爸我要休學面對的時候你都特別強調溝通的一個重要性跟價值可是我不知道為什麼當作家小野的時候不斷地強調溝通寫得很好 講得很好 |
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可是進到行政院之後感覺變了一個人連董監事的溝通都不願意去溝通你就覺得你自己蒙著頭去找到人出來之後審查委員就要買你的單哪有這件事情啊你怎麼知道我沒有溝通呢去年12月31號我約兩邊的人見面我非常低姿態的協調 |
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我不用政黨協調我跟委員協調委員說他要面試要寫報告我全部答應從來沒有過然後有一個委員馬上退出他是我的學生他看出來這件事情是集體做我有個學生國民黨的學生馬上退出他知道這件事情個人不能夠決定的是團體決定團體決定就是要政黨協調 |
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我覺得既然審查委員當時是按照政黨的比例推出來的人選你在溝通當中的時候你多花一些能力時間去溝通有這麼困難嗎可是我覺得當我們現在碰到這個問題的時候我們看到的情況是你直接把溝通講成政治勒索 |
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把協商說成是綁架我覺得把責任全部推到了在野黨跟審查委員當中我覺得這是很難被人家接受的事情如果說你們跟溝通的部長有效率有能力的時候我覺得審查委員不會聯名辭職如果聯名辭職你都覺得跟你沒有關係都是他們自己的關係的時候那我覺得院長我覺得這樣子的一個部長在溝通的過程當中顯然是有問題的 |
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部長已經跟委員講了連現在的溝通我都聽出來是委員有問題 |
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他講得很清楚啊他都有去溝通啊雙邊坐下來談那他也提到說自己一個學生的特例你也知道他不是沒有溝通你還在說部長沒有溝通那這個溝通溝通無效嘛 溝通你要有成績比方說李愛德第七屆的時候很清楚我剛剛可以比到一個地方第七屆的狀態說更清楚更是民進黨的人員佔據更高的一個比例可是 |
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李勇德當時他都用更大的一個誠意去做溝通可是現在的情況當巴西委員他們會直接逐秀而去的時候他可能想到你有溝通第七屆的那一千天能夠再拖嗎 |
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現在我期待你們再派八個人過來我還是會堅持公視不能夠黨政軍介入你派八個公正人士 |
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你要刷我的人都沒有辦法 公視原本就沒有黨政經介入現在公視的狀態審查委員的時候政黨比例推出來的狀態可是文化部如果說要非常的二把覺得你推出來的人選審查委員都不能夠有意見的時候那我覺得接下來的一個審查可能也未必這麼容易就能夠過我覺得部長你以前書寫得很好也講得很好 |
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溝通一直掛在嘴巴上面我認為你現在在文化部當中對於公事董監事的溝通你一定要更盡一些心思而不是你覺得你講了之後大家都得要買你的這個單沒有這樣的一件事情審查委員他們也有獨立的意志好不好 |
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我始終如一我堅持公共電視黨政軍不能介入我們也希望文化部不要把黑手伸進公共電視裡面好不好公共電視那天不是文化部一眼旁部長想要找什麼樣的人都是你的意志去行使如果說審查委員不同意的時候你就不同意你就直接在這邊直接去 |
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抹黑審查委員跟在野黨我覺得這樣的溝通是無效的溝通我們希望看到小野時代的作家那個時候小野作家那個時代的一個強調溝通的一個能力能夠在文化部長的離遠的時候也能夠把它做得好好不好我看到的事實是八個委員要用自己八個委員的意志來影響改變決定整個提名的名單就是這樣子而已 |
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八個委員已經是在二分之一了我們公視董監視的部分是要三分之二多數決啊你連三分之二多數決你連二分之一都沒有辦法說服你三分之二多數決怎麼去做到連部長提名的這個權利都要被完全收回去嗎 |
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不用啊 可是部長平民的時候 重點是要能夠有效的溝通好不好重點 有效的溝通 這個部分我希望卓院長會有的關係我們希望公視的董監事不要在這邊延擋那麼久那委員應該認定部長有去溝通同意 請做有效的溝通 請做有效的溝通好不好那我接下來想請教一下跟體育部有關 |
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院長我想請教一下奧運雙金的運動部長運動部長的時候他是具有實權還是只是執政黨把他提名出來的一個花瓶或者是政治門面這個問題問部長答覆會比較真實委員您好 |
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你覺得你是花瓶嗎我想我們上任以來做了許多的改變不知道委員您說的我知道你是不是花瓶你覺得 |
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還是你覺得你是執政黨的一個政治門面我個人覺得今天院長非常信任我那也讓我給予我很多機會去改變那希望在這點上面也請委員指教我想請教院長你知道政事中政事他提出辭呈是在什麼時候你在什麼時候批准的 |
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日期我真的現在記不起來但是傳來給我看的那個辭職信當中部長是簽過名的部長是簽過名的來 所以你是什麼時候辭職那為什麼4月9號的時候李洋部長在接受委員質詢的時候直接表示你是4月9號看了媒體才知道是媒體有問題還是那公文有人造假 |
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部長請回答公委員您報告那當天公文確實在前一天有進入到我辦公室但我確實沒有看到你沒看到你沒看到那誰簽的我隔天備詢完之後回去簽的 |
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你備詢完之後才去簽的因為當天的時候這個地方因為媒體是直接講到說因為就是4月9號的時候院長已經批准了那我覺得這個部分因為坦白說因為李楊是雙金的奧運 |
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的選手 其實我們對他也有很多期待尤其是他之前捐出一千萬的獎金其實我們也都感同身受也都肯定李楊他對於整個台灣運動相關事務的誠意再加上他上任七個月的時候刪減了三億元的一個服兵的一個經費我們都可以看出李楊他想要認真的來推動這個事情可是為什麼我會特別提到戰次辭職的時候部長好像最後一個才知道 |
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再加上就是田徑 |
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我們都確定支持楊國長我說過 支持你這一排部長 |
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好 謝謝謝謝鄭委員 謝謝卓院長 |