| IVOD_ID |
168871 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168871 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-28T10:19:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-28T10:35:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/35437261a170eb03ad55d9bf5eba58ea66e90e72df29f72fb7c213fc50a082c61429c243362692245ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳玉珍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:19:37 - 10:35:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院民進黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「一、立法院不分朝野堅定支持我國總統進行對外國是訪問，堅持台灣人有走向世界，與世界各國交往合作的權利。二、嚴正譴責中華人民共和國政府以脅迫手段迫使第三國撤銷我國元首專機飛航許可之粗暴行為，違反聯合國憲章、國際民航公約精神、外交關係慣例，並構成對第三國主權之公然干涉。三、促請外交部、駐外館處、國際民航組織（ICAO）之友我代表及所有可行管道，將本事件列入國際紀錄，且尋求國際民航組織、聯合國人權理事會等多邊機制之關注與因應，並就中華人民共和國對我國長期之脅迫行為，研擬完整之法律文件與政策白皮書，於年度外交報告中專章說明。四、呼籲世界上所有理念相近之民主夥伴，正視中華人民共和國對他國實施經濟與外交脅迫之行為，將其納入各國『反脅迫』（anti-coercion）之政策工具與立法檢討。並以具體行動聲援我國維護正當國際交往之權利，共同捍衛以規則為基礎之國際秩序、自由開放之國際航空體系，以及中小型國家免於威權霸凌之主權空間。中華民國是主權獨立的民主國家，任何外部勢力之脅迫、封鎖或打壓，皆不能改變我國走向世界、與民主夥伴並肩同行之決心。本院全體委員將超越黨派立場，團結一致，捍衛國家主權、民主自由與國際尊嚴。」是否有當？請公決案等2案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、同意權之行使事項：本院司法及法制、內政兩委員會報告審查「總統咨，為最高檢察署檢察總長邢泰釗任期於115年5月7日屆滿，茲依法院組織法第66條第2項規定，提名徐錫祥為最高檢察署檢察總長，咨請同意案」案。（5月5日上午）四、審計長列席報告中華民國113年度中央政府總決算審核報告等案審核經過並備諮詢。（5月5日下午）五、4月24日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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前一陣子大陸提出惠台實驗政策,其中有幾項跟金門有關的,就是有關通水、通電、通橋、通氣,院長的態度如何? |
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有部分已經是在實施了嘛,比方說水的部分已經在實施了那其他的我們還是認為我們跟地方政府好好地來商量在國家安全優先的考量底下,如何確保當地民眾跟這個整個國防的這個重要的目標那我們逐項來探討,通水的部分,那您知道現在大陸供水占基本每天的這個水量是多少 |
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金門的供水現在每天大概需要2.6萬噸吧那現在大陸佔來的水是2.2萬噸但是我們自己的能量是可以調整的可以有彈性的我們先講現在的情形好嗎這個數據大家應該也都有了去年這個時候我也質詢過這個水的議題去年大陸的水供到金門就每日的供水量金門的水量裡頭有84%來自大陸供水 |
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那到了今年這是我們的數據到今年115年4月現在已經達到88%了因為我們不要用地下水源避免這個地層下陷所以現在以前大陸的水站大陸供水站基本每日用水量的八成現在已經達到近九成了那所以其他的部分包括海淡湖庫都比例非常的低這個是一個現在事實對吧 |
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是的現在是一個事實那我們一直剛剛院長也有在講到這個這個就是國家安全啊如果中國的飲水萬一短期間斷掉的話地下水是可以供應補給的地下現在佔8%的0%他八成多每天抽如果你說中國大陸今天如果把水源口關起來他今天我們一天我們地下水可以抽兩萬多噸是嗎那可以抽多久 |
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對 那當然我們還是不希望這樣啦如果有這樣情形發生的話可以湊多久所以我們現在為什麼啟動有那個海淡海淡廠嘛齁 去年我就執行過這個議題啦那個郭智慧部長那時候經濟部長吧他有答應要做海淡廠 現在進度呢現在在可行性分析可行性分析我們現在幫這個地方政府代辦 |
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我知道我有看到你們現在都肯定那我們現在海戰場只有站大概只有一個場嘛四千多噸四千噸嘛那你現在未來的可行分析你要做幾個呢可能會提升到目前是規劃是三萬噸多少三萬噸三萬噸一個三萬噸的場嗎對對對一個三萬噸的場嗎就是每天可以產這個很重要那但是我沒有看到奇怪國發會國發會覺得這不重要是沒有寫到的計畫你看看金門馬祖澎湖三個離島 |
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還是要看實際需求啦 |
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實際上現在沒有需求啊但是為了國家安全啊 為了供水的韌性啊 應該要做啊所以我們現在做可行性分析沒有沒有 請問院長這個我都沒報告 現在經濟部水利署這個海淡廠的規劃還需要金門縣政府來一起把可行性評估給它完成政策很重要 你的政策決定很重要嘛現在沒有需求 因為全部的水都是 |
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八成 九成都是大陸來的所以您覺得需不需要做常理來看是需要做是需要做嘛 為了不要萬一哪一天大陸爬石頭關起來那需要做 我也支持做這是任性嘛 大家都在講任性做 請問計畫在哪裡114年到119年都沒有寫進來啊 |
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沒有 現在已經有可行性的計畫在規劃了然後呢 供給計劃175年啊 114到19 寫在哪裡咧不是 不是 他現在是可行性的研究當中可行性研究的話就是什麼時候可以研究完成年底今年年底喔不是 一個計畫的可行性研究事實上要一段時間啊做地質的了解 等於是情況 |
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然後接著呢我們可能有海戰場就避免我們的韌性被掐住的時候到什麼時候會完成那個是可行性研究我說從可行性研究開始做到結束大概要多久 |
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那要看可行性的這個研究才能夠製造所以可行性的研究有可能是不可行性的研究是這樣的通常我們希望克服一些困難包括有困難就把它克服掉所以政策上我們院長是支持的我想知道政策變好 這個是水的部分那我們希望這個動作可以加速不然的話 |
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所以委員的意思是中國政府隨時會把水關掉嗎 |
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不是抵制部來事務有以待之好不好你把他定位你把他定位為第一你把他 我沒有這樣講但是你把他定位做境外抵制我們就要做更多的準備地方的本來就應該自給自足嘛如果一個政權不以人民的生計為優先考量的話那不值得你這麼沒錯 所以政權應該以人民生計為優先考量我們就要來講電我們來講電好嗎那水的部分已經那麼多年限制多年那所以電的話是不是現在台電在幫我們做電廠做得不錯所以在這肯定 |
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那現在我們的電大部分還是自給自足但是每一年政府也是在台電虧得滿多錢應該說補貼很多錢好幾十億那待會也要供電這個我們接受嗎以地方的民生為考量接受嗎沒有啊現在我是問院長我在問政策 |
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台電做得很好這點我們肯定我們就盡量是用自己的發電來滿足自己民生的需求但是如果接電我們是不是先接先來用對不對然後我們自己也有夠我的意思是說我們先用他的我們自己也夠我們每年先省二三十億為我們中華民國政府先省二三十億現行的法規啊現在我們的法令上還是不允許這個行動不允許喔那所以如果政府想要做是不是法規上應該做修改 |
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政府想要做的就是把離島的電力發展水電是一樣的現在水可以接我想電爐也可以接電也可以接然後接著我們自己也建立我們自主供應的能力這個是並行不備的現在自主供應能力是有的 |
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是 沒錯那產業如果繼續發展可能是不足嘛所以你們還要做11場12場11個12號機組嘛我聽說水進來已經如果大陸也接我們馬上一年省2、3、11萬一他把電也關起來我們也有自主的能力我說我們在這個同時同步並行沒有不好啊 |
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院長你了解 我先問院長 政策所以修法可以吧 那我們來修法 我們來協助修法修法是說地方產業民生有這個需求不是啦 那目前為止在離島 尤其對金門跟其他離島我們在供電的系統上面的供電量你怎麼會覺得民生沒這個需求 |
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目前的供應量是挺好的那你就看得太不夠遠了啊現在台灣要做專利中心就是電不夠啊如果我們要接電過來我們有充足的電我們馬上也可以設立專利中心再把我們的路傳輸出去啊這我前天跟一個NVIDIA人討論到這個議題他說台灣就是電力不夠啊因為我們現在的供應量可以足以供...我知道我知道我沒有說不夠那個部長我今天沒有說你不夠我也很肯定台電謝謝我是在問政策的問題第三個通氣嘛 |
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對不對 現在金門用怎麼樣發電院長金門怎麼發電主要是 院長 你要當院長是不是我問院長好不好 請他回答院長金門現在怎麼發電 |
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現在燃油的發電 燃油嘛 用柴油燒燒燒成電嘛這樣是不是很大的汙染 重油啦重油也有 柴油也有 對 是很大的汙染 碳排量是不是很大因為我們也還有金酒公司啊這樣 因為它規模沒有那麼大啦規模不大 所以基本百分之那個柴油發電會造成空氣汙染嘛所以因為它規模不大 所以我們就必須忍受空氣汙染嗎我們基本的費就必須用費發電嗎 |
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但是基本上這個...你不要回答我要問院長政策問題我肯定部長我肯定這個台電的表現謝謝現在這個水幫我們做好我想問政策問題我的意思是說氣這個東西也重要我們不一定要從大陸接其實沒有一定要說因為方便省錢這是從經濟利益考量那如果可以的話院長對於我們今天這個天然氣是幫我們做這個比如說我們也做一個接收站我們也希望可以接天然氣是不是也幫我們做一個可行性評估 |
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如果民生跟產業有需要當然有需要現在用柴油發電難道你只要用油發電嗎請經濟部請這個先去評估當地的需求那我們在如何解決目前的需求現在是不是用油在發電那是不是會造成空氣汙染以全球你們現在整個我們整個中華民國在講什麼什麼減碳啊對不對然後要蒸汽啊台灣大部分都用天然氣啊為什麼我還是要用柴油在發電呢第一個很貴對不對很貴 |
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我們在思考有沒有比較環保的發電可以啊 如果有其他的 如果還有更好的方法我們也支持啊我沒有說 我只是說天然氣是一個選項這是政府在推的嘛那你要把金門算這是海膨金馬的一部分台灣在做金門也應該跟著走啊我們為什麼一直要用油發電油發電很多空氣汙染啊 |
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費會受到影響啊二次能源轉型是我們要全國來發展這個多元發展綠能我支持啊那金門的部門你怎麼跟我們幫忙金門當地地區也有相當的環境可以做這個工作現在天然氣一部機組就130萬千瓦 |
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事實上遠遠超過這個金門地區的這個需求你說我們不需要我們不需要你怎麼不是啊欸人家如果NVIDIA到金門設算力中心呢這個他就需要很多的電然後在金門設算力中心以後他運算台灣都不夠電啊所以他沒有辦法設啊你說前你剛剛我還在前一個委員質詢的時候還說全台各地你都要這樣發展啊 |
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目前已經比較明確是在台北市台北市是設一個他的辦公室好不好我還特別問了一下不是在台北市說他是辦公室問題是電力不夠要有電那你現在跟我講說金門不需要那麼多電我需要你如果我有電我就可以做更進步的東西啊 |
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你怎麼會反過來限制我們呢沒有現在需要現在是夠的我剛才提到過了現在可以現在就是產業不夠發展嘛跟委員報告我們在全國六大產業生活區當中金門離島我們是列為低碳生活離島那低碳你還給我燒柴油你會不會有點矛盾所以我說我們可以朝二次能源發展的多元綠能發展那打算怎麼做更具體一點給我具體的答案怎麼做你不要口號啊低碳啊熱火啊然後燒柴油 |
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燒柴油發電真的 現在是燒柴油發電未來也許可以思考用氫能的方式氫能是不是 氫能好像我也研究過現在AI很進步所以我上網查了一下這個氫能好像還沒有到那個階段所以你現在就要給我們解決的方法那你做一個評估好嗎我今天不要答案你告訴我你給我就是新的這個能源就是說或者是天然氣也可以吧 |
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做接收站 做管線就不要讓金門 要讓金門走向低碳島那你不要用柴油再燒油來發電啊這樣是做不到的金門現在這個用電量跟未來的蓄電趨勢底下我們進一步來研究在二次能源轉型的情況底下如何來逐年檢討是否降低它整個燃油機制逐年要快一點 這個題目非常好可以快一點嗎 |
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我們請經濟部討論這個農業的問題 |
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我覺得 院長 我覺得水可以接電 理論上接齁每一年先省個這個30億然後如果它真的怎麼樣 我們也有可以發電的這個我們沒有吃虧 你知道嗎那先佔一點便宜也沒有什麼關係也沒影響我們自主有供電能力嘛這不是吃虧的問題 這一次吃虧就不得了了啊 不會吃虧 你有本身有自主的供應能力啊你有自主的供應能力嘛對 所以我們要自主的供應能力那在這時如果接個電 每一年先省30億嘛 是不是 |
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政府還是有能力把離島的基礎建設做好我來幫助你修法沒關係我們政府還是有能力把離島的基礎建設都做好是是是 海灘廠要趕快那這是低碳啊 低碳要趕快做那個部長 經濟部長這個農業的部分齁在地農業發展 高粱齁金門高粱是農業保險齁以前投保率很高啦現在非常的低 你知道原因嗎金門高粱 |
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我第一個跟委員報告就是之前的保險的部分因為當初的產量比較低所以所以他反而不容易得到理賠那現在產量比較高了所以我們現在正在積極的跟跟我們金門的這些農民講那我特別要感謝委員因為金門的高粱高粱酒有沒有是來自於台灣的這些高粱那也感謝委員這樣的一個促成 |
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那持續的我們對於金門本身包括高粱包括小麥的部分我們現在要先去處理什麼它的基本的產量跟損失的數據有這個數據才能設計保險那我們現在在算它的產量跟損失的數據 |
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一起算一下 包括現在兩個產業 肉牛跟乳牛 乳牛也列入嘛肉牛這個保險的部分 因為這是一個可以發展的產業對 酪農也是一樣 我想酪農的部分我們會比照肉牛也是一樣 我們會比照台灣的制度這個是不是也列入那個農業保險的部分 趕快幫我們評估一下好嗎我們現在全部在評估金門有的這些產品請你盡快做好嗎 好你有概念喔 好 那個最後一題 這個院長 |
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兩岸的交流只要合乎對等我們都願意 |
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而且我希望雙方的小兩會能夠馬上展開大陸已經提出來了那你們跟他討論我說對於上海開包機到金門旅遊這個你應該可以評估嗎這個可以評估嗎確保他來或是我們去都要長期是是是好 謝謝 謝謝陳委員 謝謝卓院長 |
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發言會經濟組織諮詢 |