| IVOD_ID |
168865 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168865 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-27T11:11:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-27T11:21:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8fcf676897be76b9ad07f75cd1536710a502584eb9ab8e1f8df8c171d4c1cef9a602a2cfbf58b3ba5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐巧芯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:11:24 - 11:21:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「國防部創新小組將新興科技應用於不對稱作戰之效能分析與未來發展」，併請衛生福利部、國家科學及技術委員會列席，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席我們是不是能夠有請顧立雄顧部長顧立雄部長是徐委員好部長好我想先請您看一下這張照片是我們在憲兵的這個演訓過程當中左邊的這張照片那我想請問您一下在左邊這張照片的演訓有什麼樣的一個問題這個是不是請 |
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現兵來回答一下您不能回答是嗎我都幫你圈好了你要不要先看一下左邊跟右邊的差異然後您先回答一下再請我們這個現兵參謀長這邊再做補充好不好就 |
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你講的應該是說右邊這個畫一條線嘛是不是不是你講的是那個右邊左邊是演訊的照片右邊是你們的公關照那其實上一次我在審查預算的時候我有談到就說這個T112的新式戰鬥步槍我們希望大家都能夠配上瞄具可是呢沒有瞄具因為你們那時候覺得就是說這個可能成本啊然後這個經費的問題 |
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但是在沒有苗具的情況之下它還是有鐵苗所以兩個粉紅色的圈圈在我們使用T112的時候應該要把它立起來對吧所以您現在是說它的槍口往下是這個意思嗎不是 |
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兩個粉紅色的圈圈它是鐵苗一個立起來的時候它是一個圈另外前面那個立起來的時候它是一個就是類似於說我看這個我看這個鐵苗的時候我可以看到裡面的一個樣態我才能透過步槍去瞄準啊步槍不是手槍啊步槍它是比較長的所以它需要一個瞄準嘛 |
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所以右邊新一代的T112新式戰鬥步槍它有裝這個瞄具的時候我們的軍人他可以直接從瞄具裡面去做瞄準但先前審查預告我們其實有提到說希望新式步槍都可以配瞄具但是當然各種原因我們都尊重那就沒有辦法都配可是在演訓的過程當中我想提的是為什麼我們的軍人在演訓的時候我們的鐵瞄就是最傳統這種鐵瞄沒有把它立起來呢 |
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剛剛委員講的那個沒錯那個是瞄準具的基本的張孔然後對準那個準心這是一支裝備的原始的配備這是基本的就是說我們沒有任何的三進就是這把槍之前還是可以用這個去打沒錯啊我剛剛都說了你是在重複我的話 |
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那第二個為什麼這個三鏡呢這個三鏡我們已經有配備了上次委員講的我們部長給我們指導了最好是每一把槍都有所以T112出場的時候已經所謂的量產三鏡都會一起去做一個配備那順便問一下那什麼時候這個T112的這個瞄具就是右邊這種比較新型的那能夠每一個這個T112都配 |
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118年全部8萬多隻新的T-11然後又有新的建案我們現在做第二階段的包含後備部隊我們有一些東西我們只要是供軌的部分現在目前T-91也是供軌嘛我們也會去配備這種傳進來滿足這個需求 |
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我的問題主要還是在這個因為您剛剛講的對啊就是說在沒有配備新式苗具的狀況之下它有鐵苗的嘛這是它在出場的時候它本來就有的那為什麼我們在演訓的時候應該你要做到就是說我們整體的SOP就演習室同作戰那它都已經把TL2拿出來了為什麼它沒有把這兩個好 這兩個這個鐵苗把它立起來啊我的問題是這個意思就是它沒有 沒有 |
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我在解釋 你們要不要跟部長解釋一下這個來 去去去 都去都去沒事沒事 就是說T喔你跟他解釋好不好 報委員抱歉我媽已經講過一次了報委員抱歉 因為我從這個圖上我不太能理解您所謂鐵苗因為第一個槍的前面那根叫準心那後面是瞻孔那瞻孔它其實是一個就是有兩段式有一個就是前瞻孔後瞻孔 |
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可是我從這圖上我沒有辦法看到您所謂的鐵苗沒有立起來這個這句話你們苗具的鐵苗是沒有打開的嗎這個其實也是大家就是當天看了這樣的一個過程當中就很疑惑說你在這種T112你這個鐵苗你沒有把它立起來的狀況之下如果你今天是作戰的時候好我問你一個問題好了作戰的時候它這樣子是標準的做法嗎 |
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那我看不出 我說實在話 我看不出哪裡有問題但是如果真的 我不知道這個要表述的是什麼因為沾孔它是不會降 沾孔我們要去調整它才會降低那它再怎麼降還是一定有一個高度 那所謂的那我問一下喔 它這個T112你在它目前的這樣子一個演訓的過程當中它的瞄準 它又如何瞄準的 |
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傳統的瞄準一樣是所謂的準心透過沾孔準心透過沾孔它是有立起來的嗎我這樣子抱怨對不起我這圖上我真的看不出來看不出來但是實際上面他們現場就是已經有人告訴你說就是有這個問題他沒有做這件事情嘛這個大家還需要在這邊應該不會有一個槍的設計上面應該不會有準心跟沾孔沒有立起來的問題 |
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他今天的狀況他就是他今天的狀況就是他們出去之後然後呢在這個過程當中很多人就有疑惑這樣好不好如果真的真的這個下去我做了了解我跟您報告如果真的是有不對我們就來加強訓練但是這個圖上我建議你們要去改正因為其實在這個軍事包含是軍事記者村裡面在這個事情上面已經討論了 |
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好幾天了好幾天了所以你今天告訴我說這樣子是OK的那以後你們都是出去演訓的時候沒有因為我說這個上面我看不出哪裡有問題對不起好那你可能你要所以你要去了解一下他演訓的時候是不是如此嗎 |
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我是告訴你說大家在反應的事情是在演訓的過程當中沒有請他們在這個鐵苗上面去做一些可以瞄準的這個方向跟動作所以說大家對這個事情有爭議覺得你們來 請說報告委員 我是作業市長剛剛委員所指正的的確是訓練問題因為他們裝備新接裝 |
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那剛才在講說都很正常一切如常很棒的是怎麼回事我去問兩個部分跟委員報告一下第一個是剛接莊之後他的訓練問題沒有把他標準的相關的配置配到定位 |
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那第二部分也是委員指導的應該每一把槍都配三進因此未來每一把槍都配三進之後就不是再運用這個戰口去做基本的射擊我們希望強化官兵基本的戰力這也是部長今年要求我們我們在16年就提出建案每一把槍包含T91未來都會在隨著年度上的建案讓每一把都配附三進我同意所以未來T91 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
460.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
489.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
然後T112他都應該要配這個瞄具如果在沒有配瞄具的情況之下他在訓練上面也要按照他原廠初始設定他要有一個能夠瞄準的這個過程他該接裝要訓練的部分都要做到位我想要提醒的就是這件事情這麼簡單而已你們耗了我這麼多時間蔡某長你剛在那邊講了老半天人家也告訴你說確實在訓練上面是有一些要調整的地方嘛好不好我覺得這兩件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
491.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
508.23 |
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抱歉你別再講了我後面還有很多題目耶是是這個我們要不用再那個我下去了解我們會跟委員辦公室因為我是說這圖上我看不出什麼問題你說你下去了解可是人家剛剛就跟你說他確實在接裝訓練上面有一些要調整的地方了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
508.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
526.663 |
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社長的意思是說一個新的接莊我們的確不管是佩服苗具或是沒有佩服苗具我們要強化它跟傳統踢九腰的一個強化它的訓練它又不是踢勾腰這個是踢腰腰兩那你為什麼你那你剛剛跟我講的我跟你講踢腰兩你跟我講踢勾腰我們現在就講不同槍支啊這個是腰兩 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
529.245 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
535.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
對啊那你剛剛我說踢勾腰啊你記得你剛剛說什麼嗎報偉我說要強化跟踢勾腰差別的訓練我知道所以拜託我們以後出去訓練我們把我們最好的裝備拿出來該配備苗具的讓他配備新式的苗具而不是用這樣的這個方式那這個否則會讓大家覺得我們演習適同作戰結果我們的演習要做半吊子這個對大家來講在整體的觀感上面是不好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
557.825 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
583.685 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
不要找這麼多的藉口該裝的就裝這些預算我們去年也都有在支持也沒有人去做刪減那大家也都很希望能夠去把這個事情給它做好所以你們就是好好的去檢討然後把這個苗具裝上讓大家都有好的配備能夠去使用立法院在之前預算審查也都提出了也都支持了你們也都建案了那是不是就要好好做呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
584.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
603.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
好不好 那就這個樣子 拜託去做一些調整不要每次上來這邊跟我耍嘴皮子 講一大堆有的沒的該調整的 該訓練好的 就要做好該支持的 我們已經支持了該建案的 你們也都說要建案了那就要在他演訓的時候 視同作戰把該做到的 做到位 謝謝好 謝謝徐小青委員 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-04-27T11:11:25.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-04-27T11:11:25.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
謝謝主席，是不是能夠有請顧立雄部長？ |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-04-27T11:11:25.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-04-27T11:11:25.970000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
有請部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-04-27T11:11:26.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-04-27T11:11:26.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
徐委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-04-27T11:11:26.230000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-04-27T11:11:26.310000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
部長好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-04-27T11:11:26.330000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-04-27T11:11:28.071000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
我想先請您看一下這張照片，這是我們憲兵的演訓過程，我想請問您一下，左邊這張照片的演訓有什麼樣的問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-04-27T11:11:28.071000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-04-27T11:11:56.613000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
是不是請憲兵來回答一下？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-04-27T11:11:56.714000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-04-27T11:11:58.275000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
您不能回答，是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-04-27T11:11:58.275000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-04-27T11:12:07.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
我都幫你圈好了，你要不要先看一下左邊跟右邊的差異，然後您先回答一下，再請憲兵參謀長做補充，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-04-27T11:12:09.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-04-27T11:12:13.881000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
你講的應該是右邊這個畫一條線，是不是？不是。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-04-27T11:12:14.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-04-27T11:12:16.283000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
你講的是右邊…… |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-04-27T11:12:16.283000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-04-27T11:12:19.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
左邊是演訓的照片，右邊是你們的公關照。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-04-27T11:12:20.886000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-27T11:12:42.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
其實上一次我在審查預算的時候有談到，我們希望T112新式戰鬥步槍都能夠配上瞄具，可是沒有瞄具，因為你們那時候覺得可能有成本、經費的問題，但是在沒有瞄具的情況之下，它還是有鐵瞄。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.91 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-27T11:12:44.203000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-27T11:12:47.507000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
這張照片上有兩個粉紅色的圈圈，在我們使用T112的時候，應該要把它立起來，對吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-27T11:12:47.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-27T11:12:49.729000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
所以你現在是說它的槍口往下，是這個意思嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-27T11:12:49.729000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-27T11:13:13.472000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
不是，兩個粉紅色的圈圈是鐵瞄，一個立起來的時候，它是一個圈，另外前面那個立起來的時候，它是一個類似於看這個鐵瞄的時候，可以看到裡面的樣態，才能透過步槍去瞄準。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-27T11:13:14.133000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-27T11:13:19.057000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
步槍不是手槍，步槍是比較長的，所以需要一個瞄準。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-27T11:13:20.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-04-27T11:13:28.202000+08:00 |
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照片右邊新一代的T112新式戰鬥步槍有裝瞄具的時候，軍人可以直接從瞄具裡面去做瞄準。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-27T11:13:28.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-27T11:13:44.470000+08:00 |
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先前審查預算的時候我們有提到，希望新式步槍都可以配瞄具，但是因為有各種原因我們都尊重，就沒有辦法都配，可是在演訓的過程當中，我想提的是，為什麼我們軍人在演訓的時候，沒有把這種最傳統的鐵瞄立起來呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
林局長文祥 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-27T11:13:50.721000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-27T11:14:01.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
跟委員報告，剛剛委員講的沒錯，那個是瞄準具的基本瞻孔，然後對準準星，這是一支裝備的原始配備，這是基本的。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-27T11:14:01.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-27T11:14:02.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
對，是的。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
林局長文祥 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-27T11:14:02.089000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-27T11:14:06.572000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
也就是沒有任何三鏡之前，這把槍還是可以用這個去打敵人。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.76 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-27T11:14:06.832000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-27T11:14:07.933000+08:00 |
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沒錯，我剛剛都說了，你是在重複我的話。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
林局長文祥 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-27T11:14:09.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-27T11:14:17.437000+08:00 |
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第二個，為什麼這個三鏡……三鏡我們已經有配備了，上次委員講了，我們部長也給我們指導了，最好是每一把槍都有……最好？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
林局長文祥 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-27T11:14:19.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-27T11:14:28.421000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
沒有，一定是，所以我們的T112出廠的時候，已經隨著量產，三鏡都會一起去做配備。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.656 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-27T11:14:28.881000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-27T11:14:36.825000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
順便問一下，什麼時候T112的瞄具（就是照片右邊這種比較新型的）能夠每一個T112都配？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
林局長文祥 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-27T11:14:38.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-27T11:14:38.945000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
118年全部。118年？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
林局長文祥 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-27T11:14:38.966000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-27T11:14:39.146000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
八萬多支新的T112…… |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-27T11:14:39.146000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-27T11:14:40.146000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
謝謝，我非常非常支持。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
林局長文祥 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-27T11:14:39.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-27T11:14:42.928000+08:00 |
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又有新的建案，我們現在做第二階段的，包含後備部隊，我們有一些東西，只要是共軌的部分，目前T91也是共軌，我們也會配備這種三鏡來滿足這些需求。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.918 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-27T11:14:59.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-27T11:15:06.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
OK、OK，但是我的問題主要還是在這個，因為您剛剛講的對，就是在沒有配備新式瞄具的狀況之下，它有鐵瞄的。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.809 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-27T11:15:06.679000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-27T11:15:25.767000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
這是它在出場的時候本來就有的，我們在演訓的時候應該要做到整體的SOP，演習視同作戰，那他都已經把T112拿出來了，為什麼他沒有把這兩個鐵瞄立起來？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-27T11:15:26.307000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-27T11:15:26.607000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
我的問題是這個。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-27T11:15:26.607000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-27T11:15:28.008000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
你的意思就是他沒有…… |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-27T11:15:30.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-27T11:15:33.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
我在解釋……你們要不要跟部長解釋一下這個？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-27T11:15:33.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-27T11:15:35.113000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
來，去、去、去，都去、都去。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-27T11:15:35.113000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-27T11:15:36.113000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
我不太理解您的…… |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-27T11:15:35.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-27T11:15:38.314000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
沒事、沒事，就是說T1……你跟他解釋好了。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-27T11:15:38.634000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-27T11:15:39.075000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
報告委員，抱歉！ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-27T11:15:39.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-27T11:15:40.115000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
我剛剛已經講過一次了。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-27T11:15:40.515000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-27T11:15:40.856000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
報告委員，抱歉！ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-27T11:15:40.936000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-27T11:16:02.889000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
因為從這個圖上我不太能理解您所謂的鐵瞄，因為第一個，槍的前面那一根叫準星，後面是瞻孔，瞻孔其實有兩段式，就是前瞻孔、後瞻孔，可是從這圖上我沒有辦法看到您所謂的鐵瞄沒有立起來這句話。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-27T11:16:02.889000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-27T11:16:05.611000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
你們瞄具的鐵瞄是沒有打開的嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-27T11:16:06.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-27T11:16:18.602000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
這個其實也是大家當天看了這樣的過程就很疑惑，在這種T112鐵瞄沒有立起來的狀況之下，如果你今天是作戰的時候。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.979 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-27T11:16:18.963000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-27T11:16:22.286000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
好，我問你一個問題好了，作戰的時候，他這樣是標準的做法嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-27T11:16:24.267000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-27T11:16:38.916000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
報告委員，說實在話，我看不出哪裡有問題，但是如果真的……我不知道這個要表述什麼，因為瞻孔不會降，瞻孔我們要去調整才會降低，它再怎麼降還是有一定的高度，所謂的瞄準距…… |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.847 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-27T11:16:39.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-27T11:16:47.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
我問一下T112在目前這樣的演訓過程當中，他又如何瞄準的？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-27T11:16:49.141000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-27T11:16:52.063000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
傳統的瞄準一樣是準星透過瞻孔，然後到目標…… |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.632 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-27T11:16:52.803000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-27T11:16:56.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
準星透過瞻孔，它是有立起來的嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-27T11:16:58.065000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-27T11:16:58.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
報告委員，對不起！ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-27T11:16:58.886000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-27T11:16:59.886000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
這個圖上我真的看不出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-27T11:16:59.886000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-27T11:17:06.509000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
你看不出來，但是實際上面，他們現場就是已經有人告訴你有這個問題，他沒有做這件事情嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-27T11:17:07.289000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-27T11:17:08.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
這個大家還需要在這邊…… |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-27T11:17:08.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-27T11:17:14.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
應該不會有，槍的設計上面應該不會有準星與瞻孔沒有立起來的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-27T11:17:16.943000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-27T11:17:25.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
今天的狀況它就是，今天的狀況就是他們出去之後，然後在這個過程當中，很多人就有疑惑，包含…… |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-27T11:17:25.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-27T11:17:26.486000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
報告委員，這樣好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-27T11:17:27.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-27T11:17:33.648000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
如果真的……這個下去我做個了解，我跟您報告，如果真的是有不對，我們就來加強訓練，但是這個圖上我沒有辦法理解。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.851 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-27T11:17:33.848000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-27T11:17:43.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
我建議你們要去改正，因為其實在軍事，包含軍事記者圈裡面，在這個事情上面已經討論好幾天了。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-27T11:17:43.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-27T11:17:44.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
是，我們會做個理解。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-27T11:17:44.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-27T11:17:49.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
所以你今天告訴我說這樣子是OK的，以後你們出去演訓的時候，你都是用這樣的…… |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.794 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-27T11:17:49.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-27T11:17:52.164000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
沒有，因為我說這個上面我看不出哪裡有問題，對不起！ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-27T11:17:52.805000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-27T11:17:57.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
好，那你可能要……所以你要去了解一下他演訓的時候是不是如此嘛！是。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-27T11:17:57.812000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-27T11:18:12.681000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
我是告訴你，大家在反映的事情是在演訓的過程當中，沒有請他們在鐵錨上面去做一些可以瞄準方向跟動作，所以大家對這個事情有爭議，覺得你們…… |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-27T11:18:12.681000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-27T11:18:12.681000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
來，請說。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
連次長志威 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-27T11:18:12.681000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-27T11:18:14.722000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
報告委員，我是作計室次長，剛剛委員所指正的確是訓練問題，因為他們裝備是新接裝，所以…… |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.838 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-27T11:18:24.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-27T11:18:28.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
他剛才在講說都很正常、一切如常、很棒的，這是怎麼回事？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-27T11:18:28.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-27T11:18:29.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
我沒有，我看不出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.125 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
連次長志威 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-27T11:18:29.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-27T11:18:30.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
報告，這個…… |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-27T11:18:30.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-27T11:18:31.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
參謀長，你不要…… |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
連次長志威 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-27T11:18:28.688000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-04-27T11:19:01.738000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
我區分兩個部分跟委員報告一下，第一個，剛接裝之後的訓練問題，沒有把標準的相關配置配到定位；第二個部分也是委員指導的，應該每一把槍都配三鏡，因此未來每一把槍都配三鏡之後，就不是運用瞻孔去做基本射擊，我們希望強化官兵基本戰力，這也是部長今年要求我們，我們在116年就會提出建案，每一把槍包含T91，未來都會隨著年度的建案讓每一把都配附三鏡。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-27T11:19:01.878000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-04-27T11:19:02.258000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
我同意。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-04-27T11:19:02.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-04-27T11:19:24.934000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
所以未來T91、T112都應該要配瞄具，如果在沒有配瞄具的情況之下，在訓練上面也要按照原廠初始設定要有一個能夠瞄準的過程，該接裝要訓練的部分都要做到位，我想要提醒的就是這件事情，這麼簡單而已，你們耗了我這麼多的時間。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.989 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-04-27T11:19:25.394000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-04-27T11:19:30.998000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
參謀長，你剛剛在那邊講了老半天，人家也告訴你說確實在訓練上面是有一些要調整的地方嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-04-27T11:19:31.118000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-04-27T11:19:31.258000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-04-27T11:19:31.938000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-04-27T11:19:33.159000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
我覺得這兩件事情……參謀長，你來說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.533 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-04-27T11:19:33.159000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-04-27T11:19:35.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
報告委員…… |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-04-27T11:19:35.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-04-27T11:19:37.021000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
你別再講了，我後面還有很多題目。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
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2026-04-27T11:19:38.042000+08:00 |
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2026-04-27T11:19:45.706000+08:00 |
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是，這個我們不用再……我下去了解，我們會跟委員報告，因為我是說這圖上我看不出什麼問題。 |
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0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-04-27T11:19:45.706000+08:00 |
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2026-04-27T11:19:52.110000+08:00 |
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你說你下去了解，可是人家剛剛就跟你說，它確實在接裝訓練上面有一些要調整的地方了，不是嗎？ |
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0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
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2026-04-27T11:19:52.790000+08:00 |
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2026-04-27T11:20:02.017000+08:00 |
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次長的意思是說，一個新的接裝，不管是配賦瞄具或是沒有配賦瞄具，我們要強化它跟傳統T91的訓練。 |
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0.78 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-04-27T11:20:02.017000+08:00 |
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2026-04-27T11:20:05.620000+08:00 |
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它又不是T91，這是T112，那你為什麼…… |
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0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
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2026-04-27T11:20:05.620000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-27T11:20:06.620000+08:00 |
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對，我講新接裝的部分。 |
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| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-04-27T11:20:06.620000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-27T11:20:07.620000+08:00 |
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不是，我跟你講T112，你跟我講T91，我們現在就在講不同槍枝啊。 |
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0.042 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
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2026-04-27T11:20:07.620000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-27T11:20:08.620000+08:00 |
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這個是T112。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-04-27T11:20:06.160000+08:00 |
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2026-04-27T11:20:14.446000+08:00 |
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對啊，那你剛剛跟我說T91啊，你記得你剛剛說什麼嗎？ |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
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2026-04-27T11:20:14.446000+08:00 |
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2026-04-27T11:20:14.926000+08:00 |
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不是，報告委員，我是說要強化跟T91差別的訓練，也是您剛剛所指導的。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.429 |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-04-27T11:20:14.926000+08:00 |
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2026-04-27T11:20:19.049000+08:00 |
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我知道、我知道、我知道，所以拜託以後出去訓練，把我們最好的裝備拿出來，該配備瞄具的讓它配備新式的瞄具，而不是用這樣的方式，演習視同作戰，結果我們的演習做半吊子，這個對大家來講，在整體的觀感上是不好的…… |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.888 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-04-27T11:20:19.049000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-27T11:20:41.825000+08:00 |
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這個是…… |
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0 |
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徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-04-27T11:20:41.825000+08:00 |
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2026-04-27T11:21:07.665000+08:00 |
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不要找這麼多藉口，該裝的就裝，像這些預算，我們去年也都有支持、也沒有人去做刪減，大家也都很希望能夠把這個事情做好，所以你們就是好好地去檢討，然後把瞄具裝上，讓大家都能夠有好的配備使用，立法院在之前預算審查時也都提出了、也都支持了，你們也都建案了，那是不是就要好好做呢？是的。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-04-27T11:21:08.486000+08:00 |
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2026-04-27T11:21:09.767000+08:00 |
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好不好，那就這樣去做。 |
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0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-04-27T11:21:09.767000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-27T11:21:10.767000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
是，謝謝委員。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
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2026-04-27T11:21:10.187000+08:00 |
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2026-04-27T11:21:27.753000+08:00 |
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拜託去做一些調整，不要每次上來這邊跟我耍嘴皮子，講一大堆有的沒的，該調整的、該訓練好的就要做好，該支持的我們已經支持了，該建案的你們也都說要建案了，那就在演訓的時候視同作戰，把該做到的做到位，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-04-27T11:21:27.773000+08:00 |
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2026-04-27T11:21:27.993000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
謝謝徐巧芯委員。 |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-04-27T11:21:28.493000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-27T11:21:30.207286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
各位長官請坐。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-04-27T11:21:30.507286+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-27T11:21:33.364429+08:00 |
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下面請馬文君委員質詢。 |
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0 |