| IVOD_ID |
168839 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168839 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-24T15:03:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-24T15:19:41+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6961fddac991000ba37d5ea0171b0eaeb5a46e9be1b9bc70510419556c8a0eae3582eaed42b6d64d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
翁曉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:03:00 - 15:19:41 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、同意權之行使事項：本院司法及法制、內政兩委員會報告審查「總統咨，為最高檢察署檢察總長邢泰釗任期於115年5月7日屆滿，茲依法院組織法第66條第2項規定，提名徐錫祥為最高檢察署檢察總長，咨請同意案」案。（5月5日上午）三、審計長列席報告中華民國113年度中央政府總決算審核報告等案審核經過並備諮詢。（5月5日下午）四、4月24日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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我們請翁曉林委員質詢下面請陳素月委請準備主席好在這裡先有請 |
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經濟部部長、工部長還有農業部的陳部長麻煩請經濟部、農業部備詢委員好委員好 |
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两位部长好那么在进入今天的总咨询之前呢其实本席想先花几分钟的时间那么对于行政院院长卓荣泰这两年的荒腔走板的这个表现那么我要予以最严正的谴责和批评那本席身为法律人其实最瞧不起的就是这种知法玩法藐视法律的人那没想到我们的行政院院长卓荣泰竟然是这样的人 |
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那麼上週吳宗憲委員在這個質詢台上面說賴卓治國是從頭騙到尾現在本席要告訴大家的是賴卓治國這兩年違法違憲毀憲亂政的事蹟是不計其數沁竹難書他們幹的壞事是不僅傷害台灣的民主憲政法治更是讓台灣的法治國的形象大崩壞讓全世界看笑話卓榮泰的所作所為不只是騙而已而本席認為是壞透了 |
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那卓榮泰上任這一年半來上任一年半內就對於立法院通過的法律案和運算案提出了八次的復議案而且是屢戰屢敗創下了我國憲政史上單一行政院長提起最多次復議和復議失敗的記錄像卓榮泰這種不斷被立法院打臉卻還厚著臉皮不動如山然後拒不下台沒有政治擔當的行政院院長全世界當然是絕無僅有 |
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不僅如此他還變本加厲與賴清德總統兩個人是航現一氣眼雙簧公然對抗立法權霸凌多數民主做了全世界民主法治國家連想都不敢想的事情就是沒收立法權拒絕一法行政 |
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全世界除了獨裁國家之外沒有哪個國家的葛魁是敢把行政、立法、司法三拳一把抓的但是我們卓榮泰院長可不一樣他囂張、跋扈、蠻橫 |
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他敢大言不慚的去解釋法律是核心還是違憲他可以選擇性的遵守法律選擇性的附屬法律還可以選擇性的去編列預算選擇性的給立委資料他該提名的不提名他該公布的人事案他不公布有了如此全能的行政院院長三位議題我們還需要立法委員我們還需要大法官嗎 |
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賴清德總統卓榮泰院長你們乾脆就模仿清末皇帝他們頒布的清定憲法大綱自己就頒布一份賴定憲法大綱上面寫反法律與預算雖經立法院三讀通過但未經賴黃卓魁同意者批准公告者不能施行施行者就視為無效 |
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我們韓國瑜院長真的好心提出建言說要化解僵局但是賴信德總統他你們真的是有心要化解嗎你們不斷的製造憲政衝突 憲政僵局就連最基本的守憲守法公佈法律的憲政義務你們都做不到滿腦子就是對付在野黨刻薄非律選民 刻薄非律縣市激化仇恨情緒本席根本不相信你們會改邪歸正 |
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我們韓院長是慈悲為懷願意給你們機會但是本行身為法律人我不會接受這種踐踏但以民主破壞權力分立藐視國會的行政院院長 |
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因此在卓中泰完成依法一憲的憲政法律義務之前也就是要附屬法律編列軍人家籍預算還有提名NCC委員等這些人事案之前本席根本不屑與這種失位素餐只會耍嘴皮強詞奪理的行政院院長進行對話詢答違法違憲不適任的院長不配上台接受備詢 |
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所以耳後的質詢本席就只會請教這個專業的主管部會的首長好那麼接下來本席要請教首先要先請教這個工部長經濟部長工部長 |
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台湾在今年这一二月分别跟美国的商务部和贸易代表总署完成签署台美投资备忘物MOU还有对等关税贸易协定ART那赖政府宣称说这次的台美对等贸易协定谈得很好这是对台湾带来莫大的利益是挥出成功的拳雷打 |
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可是事实上本席在ART签署公布后的第一个时间里面我就想读了这整份ART的协议文件文本我当时就发现这项协定哪是什么对等谈判从头到尾就是份不平等的条约美国高度的介入和干预我国的贸易关税治理主权甚至还要求我们要放弃原有更严格的商品检验标准 |
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幾乎就是以美國的標準為標準本席不客氣的說這份關稅貿易協定 ART根本就是個上全入國的貿易協定 |
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上个月美国贸易代表署公布了2026年的贸易障碍报告他们列举了台美有多项的贸易障碍以及台湾在贸易协议所做的承诺那么其中特别是大幅放宽美国进口商品的检验和这个检疫标准当然也还有就是说未来对美国的农产品这个就不再对美国的农产品依WTO的规定科证关税 |
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那這些事情其實引起了輿論嘩然因為從這時候開始大家才知道說發現從馬鈴薯發芽馬鈴薯的事件發現呢原來台美的對等貿易協定對台灣而言果真是一份喪權入國放棄國家監管權利而且習近平說台灣經濟權益的習近平我沒有請教您陳部長 |
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原来所谓的全壘打是让美国集出全壘打而对台湾则是全面失守让利太多几乎是全面让步了 |
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那麼當然除了ART之外國人也非常關心的就是台美投資MOU的內容一直想要清楚了解到底台美雙向投資計畫有些什麼項目有沒有像賴清德總統說的那麼美好所以呢在此本席想要請教就是說為什麼現在我們都還沒有看到MOU的完整內容不知道這個有沒有公布 |
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有關於MOU的部分現在台美之間實質上的貿易狀況我們現在是全世界最大的順差國對美國來講我現在要請教您的是當時在1月份跟美國商務所所簽訂的這份MOU已經公布了嗎 |
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還沒有所以我們台灣為什麼到現在沒有公布Faceship公布了就是那個Faceship就是等於是簡易啦說明只有簡易才公布那其他的東西都沒有公布我們的MOU我們簽了兩千多項MOU的這個被網路施加都沒有公布為什麼呢?是因為美國沒有完成程序嗎?美國有沒有完成內部程序?因為他要公告以後才完成程序到目前為止還沒有 |
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做這個行政上的公告所以也就是說美國到現在也還沒有完成內部的程序我們已經談定了但是他還沒有做行政上的公告了解 謝謝部長您的說明所以美國到現在也還沒有完成MOU內部程序那麼請問ART的內部程序美國也完成了嗎 |
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因為他的法律依據是IPA那IPA因為最高的法院說已經超出總統的職權所以他現在在重建他的法律依據那我們雙方也持續的保持聯絡希望原來談好的那個結果可以鞏固住 |
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好所以也就是說現在因為美國最高法院宣告這個對等關稅是違憲的所以讓ART和MOU的這兩份協議到目前為止就等於說它的進度是就延宕了那甚至可能未來就停擺也可能不會現在繼續這個協定可能也不會再生效是嗎 |
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目前來講的話就是大家還是同意說那個結果談定了以後就不要變但是那個法律中間的這個法律重建可能要一點時間好那麼簡單來說就是說現在美國方面他們也還沒有正式的完成所有MOU跟ART的相關的這個合訂的程序那當然台灣這邊的話想當然你們也不會把這個ART和MOU送到立法院來進行審查對吧 |
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因為確定以後就會送立法院未來你們可能會重新展開新的談判嗎未來對就是說這件事情接下來如果說是他沒有通過會有沒有可能把這個ART然後重新又拿出來裡面的事情重新再拿來談判還是會基本上已經談好了那個結果是雙方都已經同意的所以現在是在法律的這個部分的基礎重建的工作不是在 |
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不過就是我想大家國人都很關切就是說因為裡面其實有蠻多的內容是很不合理的所以我們也希望假設之後有機會重新談判的話希望我們經濟部我們農業部還是要能夠堅守台灣的這個立場我們的經濟的利益還有我們國民健康的安全的一些立場那最後對於工部長這邊我還有一個附帶的提醒就是因為你們其實一直沒有提出很清楚的產業衝擊影響評估報告 |
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在行政院的官网上面其实写的都非常非常的简略完全没有重点也不够深入那我想国人其实是非常关心台湾跟其他国家尤其跟美国的这个对等关税贸易协定里面它可能会对于台湾产业带来什么冲击所以本席希望就是说两个部会回去之后是不是能够尽速把可能对于农业或对其他经济产业的冲击然后能够把相关资料补齐然后写得更深入的报告可以吗 |
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八號委員因為我們當初的設想是說那等到雙方談定以後我們要送到大院那個就會完整的資料都提供給大院但是因為這個時程上有一點點拖了所以你們現在就暫時也不會補嗎那接下來本市要請教的是陳部長因為農業部最近搞出了發芽馬鈴薯之亂讓國人赫然驚覺說原來台美貿易 |
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谈判当中民进党政府竟然出卖了国人的食安健康然后也弃守了农产品的检疫防线而令人非常的气愤那关于马铃薯发芽马铃薯的这个事情要怎么样去检验因为已经有很多讨论所以本席在这里也不会再细谈可是本席不得不说这整个行政体系对于发芽马铃薯的事情的处理 |
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態度我覺得處理方式我覺得是荒腔走板尤其是我們的行政院長卓榮泰竟然說馬鈴薯要一個一個去檢驗這種如此荒謬很愚蠢的話竟然會說出來這讓人太沒有讓人這稱呼結舌沒有知識也有常識吧我特別跟委員說明一下 |
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馬鈴薯是要怎麼檢驗?沒關係部長我不會再追究這件事情但是本心想要問的就是說當初修改發芽馬鈴薯檢疫標準這件事情你們當時有公告社會大眾有讓農產業、農業界知道這件事情嗎?我想我們在任何的法規的公告一定有預告在經過公告的一個程序謝謝,你們當時預告的時候是幾天? |
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我這個可能要查一下,我們一定有一個預告的程序在公告好,那看起來部長您不清楚,因為我去查了你們第一次當時說要修改這個檢驗標準的時間,說預告時間是60天但是呢,預告公告才剛出去,沒幾天,立刻就撤回改成只有預告14天所以你們知道嗎,你們這份檢驗標準的這個規定的預告修正程序只有14天 |
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我想整個預告最長是60天最短可以到7天好 那你們的理由是說因為這個加牙因為這個規定的修正不會影響到農業生產環境也對於民眾的權益沒有實質的影響所以整個預告時間縮短為14天但是會對於民眾的健康沒有影響嗎是絕對沒有影響 我要跟你們報告所有的八牙 |
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不會對我們國人的一個食安照的影響我們對於檢疫跟檢驗是沒有任何改變的如果說我們未來立法院我們認為說現在這樣的檢驗標準太低我們要恢復之前的門檻我們修法 |
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農業部會照辦嗎我跟委員報告牙體的檢查全世界只有我們台灣在做這件事情所以其他的國家都沒有針對牙體做檢查農業部會不會照辦 |
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我要跟委員講,我們在做檢疫一定是雙邊在做談判然後相對的本身一定要符合國際規範我們一定是符合國際規範其實不只是馬鈴薯事件,未來還會有其他的未爆彈為什麼?因為依據我們ARTD3.3條農業的專章第二項的規定裡面就講 |
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台湾未来对美国是要移除所有会破坏互惠的不合理的食品安全检验与动植物的防疫 |
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檢疫的障礙說的白話一點就只要是美國人不滿意的動植物的防疫管檢疫管制措施我覺得委員對這個條文解讀是錯誤的所有的檢疫的單位都是雙邊進行會商簡單來說就是凡是美國人不滿意的動植物防疫檢疫管制措施你這樣解讀是錯誤的我覺得你這樣解讀是錯誤的 |
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我現在要講的是說接下來依照現在ART裡面的規定我們可能未來會對於像是美國禽流感疫區的進口管制會大幅鬆綁現在的進口管制的規定是如何對於來自於美國禽流感疫區的這些所有的禽流感的限定範圍 |
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好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝好 謝謝 |