| IVOD_ID |
168837 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168837 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-24T14:30:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-24T14:46:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6961fddac991000b91ce239d00924caab5a46e9be1b9bc706c6651c59f41735f9240d0f21f4d974d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
廖偉翔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:30:25 - 14:46:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、同意權之行使事項：本院司法及法制、內政兩委員會報告審查「總統咨，為最高檢察署檢察總長邢泰釗任期於115年5月7日屆滿，茲依法院組織法第66條第2項規定，提名徐錫祥為最高檢察署檢察總長，咨請同意案」案。（5月5日上午）三、審計長列席報告中華民國113年度中央政府總決算審核報告等案審核經過並備諮詢。（5月5日下午）四、4月24日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝主席 謝謝韓院長有請卓榮泰院長麻煩請卓院長備詢 |
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廖文豪院長好院長我想你是跨部會的指揮官相信接下來問題你大概都可以能夠親自回答那院長請問一下今年10月電價漲不漲 |
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委員應該清楚電價都是一直是電價審議委員會最終的決定我們只能評估現在的狀況但是這個審議委員會其實也是你們行政院組的嘛那委員也是你們大概也是你們提名的那我想院長你總有一個方向吧因為過去其實你們說一聲漲或不漲大概方向也是這樣子 |
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各有其責各失其職我們當然希望民生穩定工業也能夠穩定這是整個社會對我們的期待謝謝 院長因為你剛有提到要穩定物價所以現況就是這樣中油4月份對電業的用戶氣價調漲41.58%每立方公尺從13.2元也漲到18.7元也是電業史上最大的漲幅 |
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那首當其衝當然是台電那央行的3月的禮監事會也已經把2026年的CPI上修至1.8那3月份的核心CPI是1.94%畢竟2%的警戒線所以央行自己也試算 |
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電價每漲10%推升CPI0.36個百分點所以油電價跟CPI是連提因式的雙升曲線所以我就是想要問因為你今天院方你們也宣布說這個統裝瓦斯不漲價那我就想請問一下說那10月份的電價不知道院長你究竟是支持漲價還是不支持漲價 |
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確定的是9月之前不漲價沒有人會在沒有條件之下去支持或不支持一件事情總之控制在CPI2%這個是我們的一個目標目前雖然他往上調但是你也知道這兩三個月來的狀況是特別特別的緊張好 院長因為你現在沒有辦法明確的表達沒有錯你的意思就是說你不能確定因為報告員我們是 |
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充分的資料給審議委員會委員了解說實際的狀況,最後決定還是他們好部長,沒關係院長因為其實你們經濟部次長之前也親口說如果戰爭三個月內結束,十月的電價調漲壓力比較小可是今天已經四月二十四號其實四週已經過去,離三個月的時間也只剩下不到九個禮拜布蘭特原油也衝上一百塊以上 |
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所以停火停不住那油價到現在也還在漲那剩下九週要怎麼結束所以我覺得這三個月的這個所謂的平行宇宙的時間表真的是讓我們很擔憂啊那連川普自己都說到11月油價會維持在高檔那就算明天的戰事結束所謂的LNG的長約跟聯動的油價也有遞延的效果所以從 |
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這個二五戰爭的前例歐洲的這個天然氣也花了整整兩年才回到一定的水平而且不是三個月所以我想這個問題是一個很結構性的問題那我也想問一下關心一下說那現在這個相關的原油有什麼樣的進展一個具體的事情請教就是這個台塑的 |
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軍扇輪這個兩百萬桶的原油說大概五月六號到達台灣那你們當初大動作有新聞宣傳說這個可能有兩週的時間那我想要請問一下行政院有沒有掌握這批原油呢他是確定在內銷還有沒有說不能外銷這個部分想要請問一下因為畢竟他是私人公司 |
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我請部長來說明原則性說我們對油的掌握目前安全存量比較高是沒有大問題的比較緊張是天然氣但是我們到六月之前也都沒有問題細部的規劃我想請問一下這兩百萬桶原油你們有沒有掌握因為我們現在戰爭已經一個多月了那我們原來 |
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油品的部分我們的儲備量都有140天那也都沒有減少所以這200萬桶原油我想要請教不好意思我們有跟台塑有跟他聯絡嗎是不是以國內供應為主原則上以國內為主好那我想要另外再請教一個問題因為當初也有說過這個河母之海峽要收過路費那你們有沒有掌握這艘船它有付過路費嗎 |
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這個我們就沒有你們不曉得你們沒有掌握我們確定就是說它進來的量可以優先使用在國內然後呢四月份五月份該進來的部分至少四月份的四條的這個原油的進來船已經都到港了所以也沒有問題那五月份也陸續會到港按照這個時程對因為我們現在看到的事情是這個原油價格 |
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一定一路高檔次再到年底啊所以我們很擔心民眾的生活所以你們今天也提出說要計程車要補貼六千元對不對 |
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你們今天有提出嘛可是本席想要說的事情是我們不反對但是現在的這個所有的不管是油價、瓦斯器、民生全部都在漲那我想要請問一下那一樣的用油的外送員物流業、小貨車業一樣繳電費的攤商、夜市家庭 |
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我覺得這個是全面性的衝擊啊所以本席想要建議行政院的應變應該是一個全方位的包含這些中產甚至弱勢邊緣戶受衝擊的產業跟家庭都要接得住不是單就部分的職業我們應該是全方位的一個這個預算去支持他們 |
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所以我想要問一下因為今天早上我也看到新聞行政院也有發言人也有說中央政府要推出民生物價的平穩措施整體的裁員上在盤整將事實對外說明想要請問一下什麼時候然後你們盤整大概是什麼方向請院長回答 |
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就是針對各部會目前所受到的產業的衝擊正在做更細部的規劃那麼昨天提出的是我們對一些大宗運輸的事業首先來做一些補貼因為它的價錢是不能浮動的 |
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所以他的支出負擔重了就是產業所以有沒有時程表不好意思院長你們大概有沒有什麼時程表你說各個部會去盤點那盤點到什麼時候主計處主計這個主計長也有說這個這次的能源衝擊大約說衝擊需要1300億那想要請問一下這個盤點這算是盤點完的價格嗎金額嗎還是不是那是各部會送出來的一個出估那我們還要看各部會之間的一個橫向的一個協調有些可能可以互相的支援 |
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那什麼時間呢我認為最好的時間就是我們評估完之後能不能用現在的公務預算或是現在先行之前的那個特別預算來用如果我們必須再追加預算的話那必須就是在大院審查預算結束之後 |
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再提出是合理如果還沒有審查完我們提出大院也能夠接受那我們也可以把事實的計算之後來提出最佳因素這本席就是要告訴你說這個時間要快一般的民眾現在真的是等不起現在就在漲民眾是等不起那我也請 |
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大約那個審查預算的速度快一點因為你剛剛有說到還有其他特別預算那你還要盤點嘛所以你們盤點的速度然後以及到時候提出的方案也請盡速提出來好不好我們都來加快那另外我想要進一步來問一下我們國家的這個新十大的AI建設我想要 |
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我拜讀過你們的新十大建設的核定本那四年1900億裡面有所謂的智慧交通、智慧防災、智慧觀光、智慧醫療也都在裡面那昨天呢4月23號速發部的資安署認定說這個高德地圖是危害國家資通安全的產品所以公務機關跟國軍都已經禁用那民用層級的部分你們是呼籲說民眾不要下載你們說5月才可以公布完整的資安評測 |
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那在這個不管是圖資或者是國安的考量上我們是尊重行政院的立場但是站在民眾的立場上面你們呼籲民眾不要用我想是沒有用的因為關鍵是你有沒有辦法有一個更好用的APP |
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我現在我就用Google Map |
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阿不是我是說那現在Google Map就是沒有辦法滿足這些相關的需求嘛所以我剛剛就問說你們呼籲人家不要用但是民間的反應就是說覺得他很好用所以重點是我們有沒有你的這新時代AI建設裡面有沒有可以有辦法扶植出一個這樣子的好用的民用的APP |
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新十大AI新十大建設我們有十項的項目在裡面其中最頂端那一項就是加強我們的軟體登峰我們必須把我們的軟體做得更好目前在處理會做出來比他更好用的民用APP嗎 |
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我不能夠馬上說一定會做出一個類似這樣的APP但是地圖的APP我們現在就有其他可以安全使用的院長因為我有看到你們在這個裡面的十大建設裡面有所謂智慧交通緊急車輛救援還有智慧景區精準天候預測然後哪一項是在哪一項裡面你們會在哪一項裡面去做這件事情 |
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這個部分的話跟委員報告就是說這個部分會屬於AI軟體產業登峰這一塊那這一塊其實是跟我們的全民社會生活全是連結在一起的所以速發部會全力的來開發很多的APP軟體所以你們有沒有信心做得比他更好 |
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這個我們會有信心那我也會你會有信心我會跟那個抒發部一起來協調好 院長真的要做到因為既然政府認定高德是境外敵對勢力的產品那我們就不能讓中國大陸的APP做得比我們國家自己的APP更好用我想這是民間的競爭力也是國家的尊嚴好 所以我想要講到你所謂的AI的部分要做這樣的APP要有 |
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運轉的AI要有算力要有電那台灣政府的算力到底準備有多少呢我想要直接告訴你這個還要另外再問一件事情也是關於時事的部分等一下會一併來討論這個AI今天還有一件事情川普公開點名台灣說美國要取得全球50%的晶片市場 |
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而台灣是最大宗的來源那他已經讓台積電承諾1650億美元要赴美那美光承諾2000億那總共要1兆美元投資到美國那一年半以後對於這個不到美國設廠的晶片公司課予極高的關稅所以想要問一下院長針對這個新聞川普講這個東西行政院怎麼看打算怎麼因應第一由此可見台灣的重要性 |
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我們在這種晶片製造上的重要性再來台灣會繼續站在最領先的地位不論是它的值或是量台灣永遠站在最領先的地位第三我們跟美方現在進行三利益的調查很多的過程我們在當中我們必須清楚的說明台灣最有利於雙邊的一些立場 |
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院長你可以看到這張圖喔其實我想我們是非常擔憂的啊這黃仁勛也說過五層蛋糕啊好第一層最下面是能源再來是晶片再來雲端再來模型再來應用結果我們現在製造的第二層蛋糕正在被挖走當中並沒有被菜團邀我們去那邊設好 |
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台積公司在台灣設廠的速度跟量我想未來委員會更清楚這五層蛋糕剛剛中間這層晶片現在已經被要求大量的去美國設廠 |
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但是我們的算力呢我們算力有沒有辦法跟上呢想要問一下一個很殘酷的事實台灣最會賺錢的公司就是我們剛說台積電正在賣算力給全世界但是我們有準備好嗎台灣的政府有沒有算力可以買 |
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台積電在資本支出它一年在2026年它是大概560億美元左右在新台幣1.6兆到1.7兆左右它一間的資本支出是台灣政府AI新十大建設4年1900億的8到9倍 |
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824.597 |
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那現在大家都很關心所謂的AI的Token算力喔那所以包含輝達的工程師他說黃仁勳說如果年薪50萬美金他要用至少用到25萬美金的Token才可以算是有賺錢而且越用越多每一次運算就是會賺錢然後每一次運算也都需要電所以院長你知道各國政府現在在AI算力上面做了些什麼事嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
826.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
850.947 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
我們也有自己算力的建設在AI新時代建設裡面有嗎?有啊我想要告訴你看起來比較起來是遠遠不夠因為英國4月才剛啟動說5億的這個約合新台幣大概200億的主權AI基金新加坡也紮了約新台幣將近40億、30億來補助中小企業買雲端算力 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
851.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
875.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
那韓國呢2月也首批的這個有4300多片的GPU到貨那2030年他打算要26萬片共同的一個點就是這幾個政府都希望政府先把企業接上算力把政府把企業接上算力好那我們台灣呢現在看起來我們只有算力只有140片GPU那這個量級到底夠不夠呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
876.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
883.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
我們在2028年的時候公部門加市部門的話我們大概會有算力會有131,912.6的PF那針對這個公部門的部分我們是不是應該建樹先提供給企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
894.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
923.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
公部門加私部門那私部門的話大概就是紅海這個部分的話大概2028年會大概9萬左右院長和各位行政官員我想要說的事情就是其實剛剛說到最底層算力來自於電力之前我想院長也很清楚電力跟算力跟國力所以現在各個國家政府都領先的在衝刺去買雲端的算力我們是不是應該先去預購這些雲端算力回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
924.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
935.136 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
我們是不是應該先準備起來所以短期的部分是不是應該雲端先再加大的預購然後企業現在就能用或學術單位就能用那當然中長期我們要 |