| IVOD_ID |
168827 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168827 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-23T12:46:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-23T12:58:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a0a6b12795be5442d35b5d86a1a8b8006e07bf52eec0dd4908965b28c46199ccc8e9d6e5b85468935ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:46:06 - 12:58:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長、教育部、法務部就「脆弱家庭兒少支持服務及兒少保護個案處遇之跨體系協作與銜接機制檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【4月22日及23日二天一次會】） |
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請時部長有請時部長部長好我想在這邊先追一下進度因為本席在去年4月24號第二次質詢你們衛福部的這個食品及相關產品標示宣導廣告設計不時誇張異生誤解或醫療效果認定準則那 |
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其中把醫療效果跟健康效應劃成等號然後都傻傻分不清楚的這件事情把這個準則把全部的健康都視為醫療去年特別有答應要檢討修改其實已經過了一年了 |
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我想要請教一下部長就是說你們這個看起來效果那個好像沒有什麼進度啊好像我的印象裡面也好像沒有進度的樣子這個我再回去瞭解一下因為今天食藥署的人沒有對我知道但是我想就是說還是要請就是有關於那個食品標示的部分嘛 |
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就是說很多應酬的場合都可以看到食藥署的大人但是如果說他可以把這樣的精神跟時間用來好好的檢討一下這個準則我相信應該很有進度才對啊不要應酬太多另外就是說在這次的這個兒少法修法的提案討論 |
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針對許多委員關切的重大兒童虐待案件需要有事故傷害監測及通報調查機制那衛福部的回覆看起來好像不是很支持因為你們的理由是說委員所提的方向由專業人員通報附由地方社政人員調查處理那影響調查準確性並增加社政人力的工作負荷我想這樣子的回應 |
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恐怕不是就是說讓人家很不樂見這樣子的回答啦就很難接受所以我今天想要特別再請教一下部長就是說兒少的傷害死亡案件他如何預防減少還有各項保護措施到底應該要如何落實那我們先看一下你們這個第八頁所提供的數據在112年統計顯示兒少事故傷害死亡是167人 |
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那受傷11964人這個數據其實還蠻驚人的請問這個我剛剛講的這個數據是真的嗎 |
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對應該是真的都是真的好那因為我們全國生育人數去年也才10萬多人那單單112年就有這樣大的這個傷亡那平均一個月受傷1000人次的通報那14位兒少的死亡而且還是兩年前的最新資料如果上述的資料是真的那 |
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我覺得本期實在是很難去接受這樣的一個統計那部長你能不能大概 |
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就是說明一下因為跟委員說明這個大概是來自於我們那個健保就醫資料去分析出來那採那個診斷碼跟外陰碼然後去分析出來所以那個受傷就是只要受傷就醫他就算所以那個人數會比較多那因為現在已經115年了那為什麼可以引用的資料是112年的統計 |
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那到底就是說難道是要經過什麼樣的認證程序才會納入統計因為我聽部長回應好像應該只是健保的對我們現在也在那個有一個是事故傷害的那個那個會議的話都是會用這個健保資料先跑不過他還是有一個時間落差所以這中間應該沒有什麼認證程序就是健保資料但是有時候比如說他是交通事故的話再勾擊那個交通部的資料 |
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那事實上 兒少傷亡的統計只是我們用來作為預防的手段那我們不是要一個完整的數字我們要的是什麼樣的傷害然後好發在什麼樣的族群然後我們可以去找出一個最大的這個保護跟最好的預防措施然後努力的去落實然後再看看說成效如何這樣子那目前呢 |
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通報監測統計的分析實在看不出來這個成效在哪裡因為 |
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剛剛對於就是說你們有提到這個現行事故傷害監測屬於這個公衛生議題那公共衛生的議題那我國是採取這個ICD-10的數據去進行統計分析 |
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這個提供給各部會去就是說它作為這個政策的參考其實像這樣子國際疾病與這個相關健康問題統計分類這樣子其實你們現在應該是到第10版第10版了對 要準備要進11了ICT-10但其實這樣子其實是很困擾的 |
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因為我們看一下這個國際疾病分類第十版對於這個意外事故它的確有特別的分類代碼剛剛部長也特別講說如果交通它還有一些認證但是這套系統主要是用來作為疾病傷害中毒診斷的分類 |
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然後健保給父的用途啊不是用來做這個兒少虐待傷害甚至性侵害的統計分類那你們不能因為ICD-10有帶到這個外因性的傷害然後就忽略我們兒少法就是要針對這個兒少有特別的保護 |
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所以針對他們可能接受到的這些親愛的類型去特別設計一套有別於成人的通報監測跟統計的分類的制度部長你們回去是不是可以再好好的檢討規劃思考一下 |
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我想今天這個是很重要的一個點我想這個非常贊成委員的看法因為要有好的這個數據根據才能夠作為這個政策上的評估或者是建立那所以我們在那個兒少全法的草案我們現在預告的草案的 |
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49條就把它納入這個兒少事故傷害的資料登錄統計及分析這個業務在裡面只是說過去因為我們的健保資料庫很好用它的這個 |
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收集的最方便最完整所以以健保資料庫為準但是在事故傷害的分析上還需要採用到其他的指引比如說世界衛生組織也有事故傷害分析指引等等去搭配可能還要涉及到跟其他資料庫的串接所以這個我們會把它納入在我們未來的工作裡面 |
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好 那我想我們不想過多的統計但也不想有漏網之魚是所以一個符合的一個統計分析是很重要的那我知道就是歐美國家對兒童的保護是非常重視那部長如果有機會的話也應該有可以親自到國外去考察好 |
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那了解一下他們的法律核心保護的精神跟這個實際上的操作呢的這些職權跟措施我們法律訂的再好如果說單靠衛福部的資源其實還有這個各地方政府的這個社福人力加上就是說沒有足夠的這個職權其實很難很難真正去落實法令的規定那 |
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加上就是說我在這邊也提供一個意見就是說盡速去協調這些社福人員跟這個富有警察的職權建立一個合作的機制才能真的落實那在經過很多這些兒少的這些傷害案件 |
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好像也沒有看到這個婦幼警察的功能就效果不彰那你們在調查兒童受到虐待或者不法侵害的事件的時候有沒有協同婦幼警力陪伴有嗎有吧 應該會一起 |
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有 好如果說發現有具體事實那是不是可以以這個現行犯實施必要的即時的處置也可以 好那衛福部跟這個婦幼警察的指揮協調聯繫啊就是說你們部長可不可以稍微說明一下因為很多時候感覺是兩條平行線在走沒有太多交集好 我請我們那個保護司司長來說明好 來 |
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是委員因為其實平常這個各地方政府都已經建立了涉陣警政這個聯繫的管道所以他們如果遇到緊急事件其實都是立刻都可以一起去協同方式好我想這個中間可能有一些你們可以再多加了解因為今天這樣我倆時間也沒有很多所以可能後續可以再把一些細節再多加說明 |
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那我是希望說在這次的修法可以落實整個婦幼警察的角色那沒有法源依據婦幼警察可能他們可能也只是在警察的職權範圍內呢就是很被動消極的在執行業務但是公務人員呢恐怕也很難去協調去就是說很難協調去他們很難協調他們去協助調查那如果部長認為有必要的話呢 |
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本席也將立刻就是我們也會來馬上來提案來支持就是說我們的兒少虐待跟這個性侵害調查那地方這個警政機關呢應該要派員協助調查並且要做這個很必要的處置那我希望說衛福部能夠展現你們的魄力那也希望部長就是說現在或許去有些國家比較困難但是 |
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但是還是鼓勵就是說部長可以親自到國外了解一下他們的做法那盡速跟這整個警政單位來溝通思考利用這次修法機會讓我們的這個保護兒少的新時代可以做得更好好謝謝好謝謝委員未來在修法的時候我們再向委員請教好謝謝 |
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好謝謝陳穎委員我想衛福部可能要針對陳穎委員因為他針對原住民本來在事故傷害 |