| IVOD_ID |
168825 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168825 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-23T12:43:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-23T12:49:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a0a6b12795be5442b69f27bfd22942106726ceb1fc87991608965b28c46199cc8406a17fcd3ca4bb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:43:41 - 12:49:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、農業部陳部長駿季、衛生福利部石部長崇良、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿就「馬鈴薯輸入之邊境管制、檢疫、查驗等機制如何保障國人食品安全，及後市場抽驗預算執行情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關主計總處暨審計部、審計部臺北市審計處、審計部新北市審計處、審計部桃園市審計處、審計部臺中市審計處、審計部臺南市審計處、審計部高雄市審計處部分。（僅詢答）
三、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關第27款直轄市及縣市政府第3項一般性補助款-財政部主管第1目財政部、第2目國庫署；第13項一般性補助款-其他第1至8目。災害準備金。第二預備金。（僅詢答）
【預算提案截止時間：4月23日（四）下午5時】） |
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請羅志強委員有請財政部阮次長、農業部胡次長以及衛福部莊次長胡次長、莊次長、阮次長 |
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委員好我想請教阮次長進口馬鈴薯將會整櫃檢查每一顆拿出來檢查請問這句話誰說的我跟委員報告我先問你這句話誰說的嘛我原句有quote錯嗎阮次長這個我不太清楚是誰說的但是我跟委員報告胡次長 |
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你也不太清楚誰說的我沒有在場但是我據旁邊的了解卓院長有提到說如果進到加工廠的話有花芽的我們會逐顆我引的就是卓院長原句啦當然你們後面怎麼補充我們待會來看嘛好不好可以齁那我想請問齁這個每年進口美國馬鈴薯大概多少公噸15萬 |
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15萬公噸對 當中當中生鮮跟加工的兩萬七千公噸其他的十三多萬公噸那個是調製的或者是已經做成這些馬鈴薯泥這個冷凍進來的那15萬公噸大概是多少顆馬鈴薯 |
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那個已經變成加工那個就不是一顆一顆進來如果一顆一顆進來是多少兩萬七千公噸的話大概是將近一億顆我想請教一下那檢查如果說檢查一顆要花多少時間檢查用機器這樣讓它滑動的話很快我想請問 |
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我們到底要怎麼做到把這一億顆都拿來檢查不是 報告委員在邊境的時候啊邊境有農業部 |
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| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
農業部不是講 最後還是講2%到多少%不是 那個農業部是60%衛福部的話 他們剛才是說所以做得到 每一棵拿來檢查做得到不是 那個檢查是在進到我們的這個加工廠還沒有讓它合格可以加工之前我來回頭來做比較嘛 好不好那我想請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
160.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
188.338 |
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這個我們知道馬鈴薯發芽會有龍奎鹼毒素嘛所以過去的做法是不是一發芽腐爛就整批退運沒錯吧有幾種做法我們是負責鹼液那龍奎鹼的部分那個是衛福部我講的是只要有發芽腐爛就整批退運嘛過去的做法吧對謝謝你啊那現在新的ART變成是出現發芽或品質異常不再一律整批退運嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
189.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
217.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
而是要改到送到指定加工廠嘛來區分竹科來檢測就是來進行選別把發芽腐敗或發霉的個體剔除並整顆銷毀嘛對不對對 如果嚴重的話也是會整櫃都退那我想問你啊 這算不算放寬啊以前的做法就是整批退沒有放寬 這叫沒有放寬沒關係 我們就看國人怎麼想啦事實上你可以看到一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
219.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
246.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
過去實務上為什麼採取有花芽腐爛就整櫃退運因為我們政府有這個條件有這個能力去逐批逐顆篩選嗎現在有這個能力跟條件嗎所有的做法是一樣的一樣的整批退運跟進來逐批篩選是要一樣喔在邊境我們是邊境檢查完之後如果有花芽的部分我們在林業部的部分我告訴你啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
247.449 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
261.839 |
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放寬就是放寬,你放寬之後改變做法,要的是食安品質的把關,那是後面在講的可是你不要連第一段都想要矇騙今天消費者嘛我直接講,現在不僅沒有整批退嘛你把腐爛發芽的篩選責任請交給誰?這個是衛福部衛福部就交給你啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
273.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
286.837 |
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包委員只要有發芽的部分那就是農業部他們當然會把它剔除掉啦那這些這一批沒有發芽我們會去檢驗它的農魁檢超過200ppm一樣整批把它退貨是 拜託一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
287.728 |
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298.781 |
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你剛剛說腐爛發芽就要交給衛福部 不是吧發芽腐爛還有花莓這個是衛福部他們會去檢查請問誰篩檢 本來誰篩檢 現在誰篩檢您現在所講的那個是在加工廠裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
306.269 |
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334.587 |
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在加工廠 加工廠去了嘛不是 那個還沒有入境那個必須要在那邊 我要先舉個例子齁你可以舉一個例子告訴我 過去啊在邊境檢查 有把整批貨櫃內每個物品都拿出來檢查每個馬鈴薯拿出來檢查 有做過嗎以前我們是全部所有的這個進口的馬鈴薯 每一顆一顆拿出來檢查60% 我們的做法是60% 我想問有沒有每一顆一顆一顆拿出來檢查人力部允許 答對了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
336.107 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
356.721 |
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過去人力不允許才會有所謂整批退的情形你現在跟我講你改變出來那請問要擴兌多少人力國際上每一個國家都一樣不是只有台灣啦那個邊際本來就是這樣子我告訴你食安的折扣沒有拿什麼國際不國際台灣食安標準變寬了以後你後面的責任要多多去加強是後面的問題所以最後還是一個很快的結論結束時間到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
359.884 |
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375.183 |
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做不到就不要亂承諾一顆一顆怎麼減啊花芽的部分我們會一顆一顆減因為花芽率只有百分之六這是我們過去的經驗所以一花芽我們會百分之百這個是絕對沒有問題謝謝委員的關注 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-04-23T12:43:49.977000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-04-23T12:43:55.643000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
有請財政部阮次長、農業部胡次長以及衛福部莊次長。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-04-23T12:43:55.643000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-04-23T12:43:56.504000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
胡次長、莊次長、阮次長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
阮次長清華 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-04-23T12:44:10.444000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-04-23T12:44:10.644000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-04-23T12:44:11.785000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-04-23T12:44:21.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
我想請教阮次長，進口馬鈴薯將會整櫃檢查，每一顆拿出來檢查，請問這句話是誰說的？ |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
阮次長清華 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-04-23T12:44:23.973000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-04-23T12:44:24.734000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
我跟委員報告…… |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-04-23T12:44:25.214000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-04-23T12:44:26.715000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
我先問你，這句話是誰說的？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-04-23T12:44:28.336000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-04-23T12:44:31.118000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
我原句有quote錯嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
阮次長清華 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-04-23T12:44:34.780000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-04-23T12:44:35.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
我不太清楚是誰說的。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
阮次長清華 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-04-23T12:44:36.561000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-04-23T12:44:37.782000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
我跟委員報告…… |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-04-23T12:44:38.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-04-23T12:44:41.094000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
請教胡次長，你也不太清楚誰說的嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-04-23T12:44:42.576000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-04-23T12:44:51.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
我沒有在場，但是據我側面了解，卓院長有提到，如果進到加工廠有發芽的，我們會逐顆…… |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.886 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-04-23T12:44:51.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-23T12:44:53.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
我引的就是卓院長的原句。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-23T12:44:54.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-23T12:44:57.070000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
你們後面怎麼補充，我們待會兒來看，好不好？嗯。可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-23T12:44:58.131000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-23T12:45:02.975000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
我想請問，每年進口美國馬鈴薯大概多少公噸？15萬。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-23T12:45:06.559000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-23T12:45:07.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
15萬公噸？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-23T12:45:07.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-23T12:45:19.312000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
對，當中生鮮跟加工的2萬7,000公噸，其他的十三多萬公噸是調製的或者是已經做成馬鈴薯泥冷凍進來的。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-23T12:45:19.632000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-04-23T12:45:20.533000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
15萬公噸大概是多少顆馬鈴薯？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-23T12:45:25.862000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-23T12:45:28.485000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
已經變成加工的就不是一顆一顆進來，但是…… |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-23T12:45:28.485000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-23T12:45:30.527000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
如果一顆一顆進來的是多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-23T12:45:31.307000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-23T12:45:34.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
2萬7,000公噸的話，大概是將近1億顆。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-23T12:45:34.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-23T12:45:35.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
1億顆，對不對？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-23T12:45:34.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-23T12:45:42.277000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
我想請教一下，檢查1顆要花多少時間？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-23T12:45:42.277000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-23T12:45:45.681000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
檢查如果用機器讓它滑動的話，很快。很快。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-23T12:45:46.862000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-23T12:45:53.077000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
我想請問，我們到底要怎麼做到把這1億顆都拿來檢查？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-23T12:45:53.918000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-23T12:45:57.081000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
報告委員，在邊境的時候，邊境有農業部我們的…… |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-23T12:45:59.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-23T12:46:01.474000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
農業部不是講最後還是2%到多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-23T12:46:01.574000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-23T12:46:05.779000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
不是，農業部是60%，衛福部的話，他們剛才是說…… |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-23T12:46:05.779000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-23T12:46:07.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
所以做得到每一顆都拿來檢查？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-23T12:46:07.961000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-23T12:46:14.909000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
不是，那個檢查是在進到加工廠，還沒有讓它合格可以加工之前…… |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-23T12:46:15.609000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-23T12:46:18.032000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
我回頭來做比較，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-23T12:46:19.113000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-23T12:46:30.123000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
我想請問，我們知道馬鈴薯發芽會有龍葵鹼毒素，所以過去的做法是不是一發芽、腐爛就整批退運，過去是這種做法，沒錯吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-23T12:46:31.484000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-23T12:46:35.727000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
有幾種狀況，我們是負責檢疫，龍葵鹼的部分是衛福部。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-23T12:46:35.887000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-23T12:46:41.872000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
我講的是只要有發芽、腐爛就整批退運，過去的做法嘛。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-23T12:46:41.872000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-23T12:46:41.872000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
謝謝你。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-23T12:46:43.113000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-23T12:46:52.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
現在新的ART變成是出現發芽或品質異常，不再一律整批退運，而是要改為送到指定加工場，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.881 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-23T12:46:53.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-23T12:46:55.987000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
來區分，逐顆來檢索。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-23T12:46:55.987000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-23T12:47:02.572000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
就是進行選別，把發芽、腐敗或發霉的個體剔除並整顆銷毀，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-23T12:47:02.572000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-23T12:47:04.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
對，如果嚴重的話，也是會整櫃都退運的。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-23T12:47:05.214000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-23T12:47:06.815000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
我想問你，這算不算放寬？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-23T12:47:09.837000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-23T12:47:11.738000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
以前的做法就是整批退…… |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-23T12:47:11.738000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-23T12:47:13.320000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
沒有放寬、沒有放寬，報告委員，沒有放寬。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-23T12:47:13.320000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-23T12:47:14.060000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
這叫沒有放寬？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-23T12:47:14.060000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-23T12:47:15.561000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
沒關係，我們就看國人怎麼想。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-23T12:47:16.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-23T12:47:29.703000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
事實上你可以看到一件事情，過去實務上採取有發芽、腐爛就整櫃退運，是因為我們政府有這個條件、有這個人力去逐批逐顆篩選嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-23T12:47:29.703000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-23T12:47:33.144000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
現在有這個人力跟條件嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-23T12:47:33.144000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-23T12:47:34.805000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
所有的做法是一樣的。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-23T12:47:35.645000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-23T12:47:35.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
一樣的？嗯。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-23T12:47:36.925000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-23T12:47:39.606000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
整批退運跟進來逐批篩選叫一樣喔？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-23T12:47:39.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-23T12:47:46.789000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
在邊境，我們是邊境檢查完之後，如果有發芽的部分，我們在農業部的部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-23T12:47:46.849000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-23T12:47:59.657000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
次長，我告訴你，放寬就是放寬，放寬之後改變做法，要的是食安品質的把關，那是後面在講的，可是你不要連第一段都想要矇騙消費者嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-23T12:47:59.657000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-23T12:48:00.657000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
沒有，因為如果只要發芽的部分進到加工…… |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-23T12:47:59.837000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-23T12:48:02.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
我直接講，現在不僅沒有整批退，你把腐爛、發芽篩選的責任權交給誰？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-23T12:48:02.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-23T12:48:03.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
請問，交給誰？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-23T12:48:02.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-23T12:48:02.418000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
這個是衛福部。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-23T12:48:02.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-23T12:48:02.819000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
來，衛福部，就交給你啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
莊次長人祥 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-23T12:48:14.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-23T12:48:19.266000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
報告委員，只要有發芽的部分，農業部他們當然會把它剔除掉…… |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-23T12:48:19.266000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-23T12:48:20.588000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
他又說交給你。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
莊次長人祥 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-23T12:48:20.588000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-23T12:48:27.036000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
這一批沒有發芽的，我們會去檢驗它的龍葵鹼，超過200 ppm，一樣整批把它退貨。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-23T12:48:27.417000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-23T12:48:31.872000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
次長，回來，拜託一下，你剛剛說腐爛、發芽的就要交給衛福部，不是吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-23T12:48:32.913000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-23T12:48:37.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
發芽、腐爛、還有發霉，這個是衛福部他們會去檢查…… |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-23T12:48:38.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-23T12:48:38.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
請問誰篩選？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-23T12:48:38.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-23T12:48:38.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
誰篩檢？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-23T12:48:38.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-23T12:48:38.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
本來誰篩檢，現在誰篩檢？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-23T12:48:38.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-23T12:48:48.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
您現在所講的是在加工廠裡面，在加工廠裡面去挑…… |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-23T12:48:48.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-23T12:48:49.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
對嘛，又到加工廠去了。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-23T12:48:50.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-23T12:48:53.533000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
不是，那個還沒有入境，那個必須要在那邊…… |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-23T12:48:53.533000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-23T12:48:57.796000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
我要先舉幾個例子，你可以舉一個例子告訴我。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-23T12:48:58.136000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-23T12:49:04.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
過去在邊境檢查，有把整批貨櫃內每個物品都拿出來檢查、每個馬鈴薯拿出來檢查，有做過嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-23T12:49:04.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-04-23T12:49:08.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
以前我們是全部所有的進口馬鈴薯…… |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-23T12:49:08.622000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-04-23T12:49:09.403000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
一顆一顆拿出來檢查？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-04-23T12:49:10.203000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-04-23T12:49:11.344000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
我們的做法是60%。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-04-23T12:49:11.344000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-04-23T12:49:13.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
我想問的是，有沒有每一顆、一顆一顆拿出來檢查？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-04-23T12:49:13.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-04-23T12:49:14.666000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
人力不允許。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-04-23T12:49:14.906000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-04-23T12:49:15.567000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
答對了嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-04-23T12:49:17.107000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-04-23T12:49:22.551000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
過去因為人力不允許，才會有所謂整批退的情形，你現在跟我講你們改變做法，請問要擴編多少人力？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.854 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-04-23T12:49:23.572000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-04-23T12:49:27.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
國際上每一個國家都一樣，不是只有臺灣，邊境本來就是這樣做。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-04-23T12:49:27.314000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-04-23T12:49:35.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
我告訴你，食安的折扣沒有拿什麼國際、不國際來看的，臺灣的食安標準變寬了以後，後面的責任要多麼加強是後面的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-04-23T12:49:35.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-04-23T12:49:36.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
那個是食安的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-04-23T12:49:35.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-04-23T12:49:37.701000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
所以最後我還是很快做結論結束，因為時間到了。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-04-23T12:49:40.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-04-23T12:49:44.188000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
做不到就不要亂承諾，一顆一顆怎麼檢啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-04-23T12:49:44.188000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-04-23T12:49:45.188000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
1億顆耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-04-23T12:49:45.188000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-04-23T12:49:46.188000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
謝謝你！ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-04-23T12:49:45.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-04-23T12:49:49.855000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
發芽的部分我們會一顆一顆檢。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-04-23T12:49:49.855000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-04-23T12:49:56.163000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
因為發芽率只有6%，這個是我們過去的經驗，所以一發芽，我們會百分之百，那個是絕對沒有問題，謝謝委員的關心。 |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-04-23T12:49:56.663000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-04-23T12:49:57.805857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
好，謝謝你。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-04-23T12:49:58.105857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-04-23T12:50:01.534429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
謝謝，羅智強委員的質詢結束。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-04-23T12:50:01.834429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-04-23T12:50:04.405857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
接下來請楊瓊瓔委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0 |