| IVOD_ID |
168821 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168821 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-23T12:22:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-23T12:32:14+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:22 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a0a6b12795be5442262560f035656d026e07bf52eec0dd4908965b28c46199cc6c52fa203661293f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:22:52 - 12:32:14 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長、教育部、法務部就「脆弱家庭兒少支持服務及兒少保護個案處遇之跨體系協作與銜接機制檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【4月22日及23日二天一次會】） |
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在你們今天的報告書當中,6月的專案報告我仔細看過了但是你們說了你們整合了34項的跨網絡的資訊系統也召開了很多次的會議 |
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但是這份報告報道我想全國年輕的父母他最關心最恐懼的是什麼呢你們沒有提出來也就是針對於社會安全網的這個部分不適任保姆跟不良安置機構這些的黑名單在這個報告當中都沒有 |
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在這個報導當中都沒有那你們說要確保兒少順利的一個銜接結果把孩子是銜接到哪裡去呢到有孽童記錄換個名字他一樣趙雲燕這樣子怎麼叫順利銜接呢最近發生了這麼多的這些事件所以本席要請教今天的專案報告非常好而且他的名稱很長叫做什麼脆弱家庭兒少支持服務及銜接機制 |
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的一個檢討這個是今天的主題那所以我想如果有以通話白話文來講就是說全國人民想要問的可能就只有兩句話為什麼有政府認證的保姆 |
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跟這個機構還是會有虐童那每次出事情的時候都是我們的基層社工員員要出來做祭祈這不公平啊這不公平所以您剛才說了今天下午你要開始來跟他們對話 |
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甚至如果因為大家工作很多到各區大家來做這個對話跟做溝通跟做鼓勵那所以你認為目前我們這些的機制及格嗎跟委員說明對於這個消極條件就是不適任的我們在有一個CRC專區資訊專區凡是違反了兒少法或者是這個幼保法等等的這些都可以查詢得到 |
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所以在任用的時候或者是這個家長也可以上我們這個專區去查詢這些所謂過去曾經有觸犯到這個兒少法等等的那另外在這個事件之後呢我們對於這個安置的這個條件也做了改變那未來我們還有很多的這個修法會納入在平建的制度裡頭平建制度就成為我們剛才說的 |
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他不是只有紙上作業 他寫得很好你就歐帕 你要想就是說你們也說了無預警的一個訪視還有你們的評鑑機制所以我個人認為評鑑機制不是只有紙上作業嘛你要真正實際 好 你無預警的訪視我個人要請教 孩子衣服下的歐氣被虐打 |
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有如此去仿似嗎我想這個也是我們在這個改善中也包含進來就是對於這個人員的訓練敏感度的提升等等這些我們也會融入在我們的這個改善的這個計劃裡頭所以當你認為你說這個保姆他是有記錄的可是他換了一個名字家人他一樣照顧 |
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不會 因為他有個人身份的資料上是會被identify是他的家人換了一個名字不是他本人 相關人但是實際上還是這個在照顧也會被查到嘛如果是共同居住的人會被查到才對不共同居住呢 |
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不共同居置才是我們的黑戶所在啊部長我們今天討論這個重點是在此有問題的時候我們要怎麼樣去處理他的相關人他換了一個名字就另外人申請還是一樣他在照顧那這怎麼辦我請同仁說明一下詳細的 |
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跟委員報告我們的保姆要職業都要跟地方主管機關申請很清楚本期剛才所說的如果是他的共同居住之人他也要申請登記符合資格他才能收孩子那不然的話本期告訴你的就是說我跟人告訴你的現況當然是別人申請你才會准他嘛符合資格嘛但是不是這一個申請人在照顧 |
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是一樣虐童的這個保姆在照顧 這怎麼辦你發現了這個事情怎麼辦後台裡面會有ID 透過ID可以勾結這個人有沒有被通報惡虐的記錄部長 本期提出現況 |
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部長本席提出現況我希望你能夠好好的去討論社會上真正需要協助的這個問題這個非常重要這個剛剛委員所提的這個就是怪羊頭賣狗肉啦對對對你講的就對了這個申請啦但是是這個過去被處分過的人 |
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所以這個我們要嚴懲你們要有機制 一定要嚴懲要怎麼樣 終生不可以靠近這個產業同不同意 這樣子終生不得靠近這個產業我覺得你們必須要有這樣子的一個機制出來那第二點就是我希望你們去建構全國統一兒保避雷查詢系統 |
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這個非常重要因為在我們的資料裡頭我們看到兒少通報的案件112年是多少10萬件但是我們看到114年是13萬件它增長的是3萬件換句話說是三成但是你只有到末端是給社工我們事實上在討論社工的人員目前在第一線都一定沒有夠而且你要去招募這些本身也不夠 |
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所以你們又設置了一個什麼呢你們設置了一個通報調查處處理中心這些人誰做請教誰要做你有了這個資訊然後還要分類然後才看 |
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怎麼處理那請問你這些人員誰做13萬件114年那現在我不希望越多但是你的人力要怎麼去處理沒錯這個是一個重點就是剛剛委員提到的因為我們鼓勵通報讓這個通報量很大進來可是裡面很複雜對所以你要篩選嘛篩選要有人做請問要誰做你還是拉第一線的社工人去做嗎因為都不夠耶 |
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這個調查處理中心我們是希望導入多元的人力讓社工做他專業的那分案的部分呢我們用其他的人力來做協助所以不會全部都是其他的人力你重新招募嗎 |
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是不是不要跌床架因為他已經不夠人我要告訴你的是因為他們做的所以你現在大家AI導入什麼這些可以去運作部長因為 |
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中錯未入學的 你現在的機制怎麼做 你現在的機制就是說去通報給鄉鎮公所 公所去看了 看了之後再通報給給這個學校 學校之後再去找人去看 至少要一個禮拜兩個禮拜 |
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對不對 那你應該可以做一個統一啊衛福部你應該可以跟教育部相同的一個系統如果這個孩子沒到學校來 馬上紅燈亮起來你不用再有這些的通報啊不用旅行公文嘛 我們要的是接住孩子啊 |
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對 對不對 我們跟教育部有合作有合作對啊 那你的流程大概一到兩個禮拜啊孩子都不知道跑到哪裡去啦所以你們這些可以統一的一個系統孩子只要沒有到學校 你的紅燈就亮起來嘛你為什麼還要叫這個公所去找 找不到人再通報給學校他層層的在上這個公文呢 |
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把時間都拖延啊所以這個議題我請衛護部跟教育部這個是可以融合在一起做一個預警系統的你們去研擬好不好不要讓那個旅行公文一到兩個禮拜我們接不到孩子是心痛啊好不好 你多久時間你一個禮拜把研議的方案給我好 那多久 沒關係 多久 |
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一個月一個月通報出來好方案謝謝統一好謝謝謝謝楊瓊英委員那我就會服務 |