| IVOD_ID |
168816 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168816 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-23T12:00:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-23T12:14:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a0a6b12795be5442345a11bff8980f216726ceb1fc87991608965b28c46199ccd6989c2027b9690b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅明才 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:00:50 - 12:14:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、農業部陳部長駿季、衛生福利部石部長崇良、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿就「馬鈴薯輸入之邊境管制、檢疫、查驗等機制如何保障國人食品安全，及後市場抽驗預算執行情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關主計總處暨審計部、審計部臺北市審計處、審計部新北市審計處、審計部桃園市審計處、審計部臺中市審計處、審計部臺南市審計處、審計部高雄市審計處部分。（僅詢答）
三、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關第27款直轄市及縣市政府第3項一般性補助款-財政部主管第1目財政部、第2目國庫署；第13項一般性補助款-其他第1至8目。災害準備金。第二預備金。（僅詢答）
【預算提案截止時間：4月23日（四）下午5時】） |
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本席對於國人的健康是很堅持的健康的破口絕對零容忍我們請相關人員這是衛福部莊市長 |
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農業部胡次長財政部的公務署彭署長記得之前有一個是雞蛋之亂雞蛋之亂完了以後就是塑膠袋之亂 |
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現在要突然變成一個馬鈴薯之亂我們總是要健康治國啊不可以什麼事都是以亂然後來治國亂你亂中有序民眾不相信啊我想請問一下就是衛福部是,我也好請教一下 |
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莊次長是請問那個小朋友小朋友幾歲可以開始吃馬鈴薯副食品應該是三、四歲之後吧有的兩、三歲就開始吃了對啊 對不對好 問題就來了 |
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帶的話他一定不會拿有發芽的馬鈴薯給他吃啊問題來了我們打開報紙每次看到一些都是虐童案哇你那個保姆帶的時候小朋友如果是每個小朋友都會哭哭鬧鬧的正常嘛你遇到那個黑心的保姆 |
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他就看他小孩子在那邊哭哭鬧鬧他就換了一招不打不罵他就一直餵他吃有毒的餵他吃這個發芽的馬鈴薯這鮮食用的馬鈴薯跟加工用是不一樣的報告委員就是說在這種屬於加工用的應該跟你剛剛講的那些是鮮食用的應該不太一樣啦市長有的都你在說啦 |
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小朋友兩歲三歲四歲他怎麼會知道說應該是加工應該不加工黑心的保母一塞過來小朋友傻傻的來的嘴巴就張口啊就這樣吃吃吃就吃了半天肚子裡面全都是發芽的馬鈴薯吃了怎麼辦 |
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因為沒有這樣的,這是一個假設的議題啦那因為市面上事實上這個我們都把關的非常好跟農業部這邊其實是雙重把關這樣事情應該不會發生所以你要讓國人都相信你是好那哪一天如果有剛剛講的情況出現的話你要怎麼處理 |
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你說不會嘛這一定是不會啦那你用什麼方式來保證絕對不會跟委員報告就是說在只要在海關的時候農業部有發現有發芽的這個我們都就是對自己在檢驗200ppm就會把它全部退後你講別的就算你講到海關來我講海關的事給你聽 |
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海關喔叫做關務署黃署長有你做得很辛苦喔海關的編制人員現在多少報告委員大概4200個以前多少人曾經有到6、7千人以前7千人現在4千多人現在海關啊它光是查緝毒品查緝 |
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其他的一些什麼電子煙啊等等的就忙不過來啦你那搞死所有海關人員啊剛剛莊市長說每一批都要檢查每一顆馬鈴薯都要檢查不能有渙水摸魚 |
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所以每個都要查嗎署長你有辦法每一棵馬鈴薯都查嗎怎麼查你說給大家聽報告委員這個部分我們海關還有房間署還有這個衛福部這邊都有分工啦那海關是做這個查緝走私跟透漏關稅這是我們的查緝重點那食品安全的部分檢疫的部分那都是有房間署跟這個食藥署這邊大家分工來處理 |
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所以馬鈴薯一顆一顆檢查,是誰來檢查?房間署,那換房間署剛剛都聽了,他現在四千多個編制,人員已經不足了我們現在海關回來也很辛苦,以前還沒有什麼非洲豬瘟現在有,我看所有的工作人員是有那個檢查 |
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以前是沒有檢查的現在國外回來都是要排隊檢查有沒有農產品有沒有帶肉品防止非洲豬瘟已經整死了這一些第一線的關務署的同仁了今天要再多一個馬鈴薯好 那你剛剛講的是叫做檢疫署是不是房檢署檢疫署嗎房檢署來 房檢署 |
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房間署是杜署長杜署長請問你你有沒有吃過馬鈴薯有我還喜歡吃我很喜歡吃所以我一聽到我就一定要問清楚不然你在台灣有很多的炸薯條或者是Hashbrown就是薯餅 |
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每次吃 我吃我怎麼知道到底有沒有問題所以我們會以那個把關現在由你來檢查你這個房檢署有多少員工 |
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房間署大概就五百多個人多少五百多個人五百多個人那如果扣除一些休假請假的情況並假平常在工作崁位上有幾個人大大委員我還分為動物跟植物要再切為一半那你所以馬鈴薯是植物嘛你動物扣掉那剩多少人 |
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那但是報告委員現在這個的任務上我們大概已經在做已經在做準備所以因為它是從高雄分署進來所以我們現在已經在制定整個流程跟檢驗那我們會跟食藥署在第一關CIQS的時候就嚴格執行這個所以這個馬鈴薯變成是一個我們防禦的大敵這樣子 |
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馬林署以後只從高雄關進來?大部分都是從高雄關入關從基隆不行嗎?當然可以啊,但我們的標準是一致的我們的標準一定是一致的就依照這個標準去做執行那也會執行訓練,沒有問題你講給別人聽聽還可以啦那一天我才去基隆關我們去考察你有沒有去過? |
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有 基隆關最近大概就是觀光貨輪不是貨輪等一下署長再講給你聽我們去看所有的現在的電子商務 |
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快遞的郵件你知道一天有多少量快遞郵件是公務署為主政那動作的檢疫是我們來搭配好那請問那個杜署長快遞進來的東西如果裡面有假有一包一包的那個薯餅是只要炸薯條講起來薯條三兄弟啦 |
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如果從那邊進來那你也查不到啊報告立委我們的是殷司檢疫項目那炸薯條它不是殷司檢疫項目 |
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我們所有的都是檢疫的項目以現在進來來講其實生鮮一年大概2.7噸那主要是涉及病蟲害根帶土那其他一年進口的15噸它包括有冷凍進來有調製進來那這些有的是做馬鈴薯泥馬鈴薯澱粉甚至於做其他的用途 |
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對那這個是整個跟關稅跟食品比較有相關那我們只就病蟲害的問題你的意思就是說你們一共有一百多個人然後 |
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要我們國人來相信你100個多人可以把這個防護做得滴水不漏不會有發芽的馬鈴薯進來來干擾民眾的健康問題報告委員這是我們的職責我們一定要全力以赴另外跟您報告非洲豬瘟的時候那個剛剛講的手檢區也是我們負責的所以我們也都是這樣子在執行 |
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你講得很辛苦啊你也講得很認真可是你要叫國人怎麼樣相信那成堆成山的馬鈴薯然後有你們一百多人在把關然後不會出問題報告委員剛剛我們這個次長也有講以去年114年為例那它的不合格率只有0.6也就是說 |
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合格的部分大概都可以通關但不合格的部分我們就會專櫃 就是專批然後送達指定的地點那會提改善計畫那在嚴格的要求之下那這個區域是會等同或比照市區的監督之下足櫃 足批 足科來做篩檢我們的原則就是這樣足科啊 |
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對,在加工廠的時候我們的原則就是這樣竹科的意思就是說不是新竹那個竹科不是不是不是竹科的你的意思是說一顆一顆要檢查一下是,是,我們覺得監督業者來做這件事情你講的話說得很漂亮啊不是,這個做是一定要做的 |
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你一顆一顆很難想像啊你在打幾個人 成千上萬顆報告 報告委員他的申請是一批一批進來的那一批一批進來 以我們現在在於邊境的檢驗其實也是如此整個的他的沙網頓帶的時候也是這樣子來檢疫的你們有沒有檢討過是到底是誰是那個trouble maker |
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以前就沒有這個事情為什麼現在如臨大敵然後把一顆馬鈴薯變成是大家覺得是健康危害的一個首惡然後我剛舉那個例子你講得很認真哪一天有一個小朋友被虐童結果智商變差或者身體出了狀況原因就是為他吃有毒的馬鈴薯 |
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報告委員我想就有兩個層次第一個美方進來的時候就要把關三強到我們這裡也是一樣會嚴格把關我們一定不會讓有不合格的流入到市場跟加工廠 |