iVOD / 168815

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IVOD_ID 168815
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168815
日期 2026-04-23
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-5-20-10
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第5會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 5
會議資料.會次 10
會議資料.種類 委員會
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會議資料.標題 第11屆第5會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2026-04-23T11:48:47+08:00
結束時間 2026-04-23T12:00:45+08:00
影片長度 00:11:58
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
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委員名稱 林思銘
委員發言時間 11:48:47 - 12:00:45
會議時間 2026-04-23T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議(事由:一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、農業部陳部長駿季、衛生福利部石部長崇良、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿就「馬鈴薯輸入之邊境管制、檢疫、查驗等機制如何保障國人食品安全,及後市場抽驗預算執行情形」進行專題報告,並備質詢。 二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關主計總處暨審計部、審計部臺北市審計處、審計部新北市審計處、審計部桃園市審計處、審計部臺中市審計處、審計部臺南市審計處、審計部高雄市審計處部分。(僅詢答) 三、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關第27款直轄市及縣市政府第3項一般性補助款-財政部主管第1目財政部、第2目國庫署;第13項一般性補助款-其他第1至8目。災害準備金。第二預備金。(僅詢答) 【預算提案截止時間:4月23日(四)下午5時】)
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transcript.whisperx[0].text 請林思敏委員謝謝好謝謝主席我請那個農業部的胡次長還有衛福部莊次長
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transcript.whisperx[1].text 馬鈴薯輸入檢疫條件,農業部在107年的相關規定是怎樣?對於這些發芽的馬鈴薯,是不是可以輸入?
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 在輸入的部分,我們農業部是做三項檢疫的工作第一個,你如果帶土的話,那個絕對不準107年的規定是怎麼樣?是,就是這三項,我們檢疫的部分帶土的,或者是有八種病害的,病蟲害的還有花芽超過0.5公分這三項是我們檢疫的5毫米以上的芽體就不得輸入嘛對,所以這個要全部退運,或者是銷毀市長我請問你,當時的規定為什麼要這樣規定?
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 因為帶土的話我先不用問你帶土的 問你發芽的因為發芽的部分有可能它會流入市面會去種會種毒嗎不是種毒 是會去種啦 種在田裡面種 我說吃了會怎麼樣不是 吃的是食藥署他們所主管的所以你不管吃的問題對對對 我們是負責檢驗的那就請莊市長可以回答
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 報告委員就是有關這個如果一旦這個農業部有看有發芽的部分他們會剔除啦但是我們會針對那個他們那一批沒有發芽我們會去驗如果驗出農苦鹽超過200ppm我們整批都會退印
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 吃了這些發芽的馬鈴薯有什麼後遺症?會不會中毒?我們不建議發芽就不建議吃吃了會有什麼後遺症?會有什麼後果?可以跟大家分享一下嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 如果吃了會造成身體什麼樣的不適嘛因為你介意不要吃就可能看含量多少啦會有不等的症狀如果說那個含量發芽的他可能會就是那個那個節儉的那個濃度會比較高嘛或者那個未成熟的吃了就會造成人體的不適嘛那會有什麼症狀
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 可能會有嘔吐、神心性的一些症狀就是會有噁心、嘔吐、腹痛、腹瀉輕微中毒者一至二天內他會自動痊癒重者則因劇烈的嘔吐導致脫水、電解質、不平衡及血壓下降更嚴重者會造成昏迷、抽搐、呼吸重疏、麻痺導致死亡
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transcript.whisperx[8].text 所以我看到我搜尋了一下我們全國各縣市政府的衛生局啊都在呼籲說請勿食用發芽的馬鈴薯啊所以衛福部那你的意見呢
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 我們也是呼籲民眾如果看到芭芽就不要吃吃的就是很可能造成我們身體健康的危害所以衛福部的立場是跟全國各縣市的衛生局是一樣的有做這方面的宣導那我再請教農業部
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 胡市長 是那你在今年的2月6號你就公告訂定對於現在美國產加工用的馬鈴薯輸入檢疫條件做出調整是請問為什麼做出調整調整就是把本來進口的不管是先時或者是加工如果一旦查到的話就退運那後來2月6號調整是把先時的跟加工的把它分開
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 用途不同因為先時進來先時跟加工但是你現在是針對加工的部分有沒有你就是讓他不是像這個我們剛才講的發血有發癌的就全部不得輸入你現在是讓他輸入
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 然後再去做篩檢不是我們有三道把關第一個就是我們如果檢疫的時候發現有發芽的部分我們就會跟這個如果他發芽的太長了或者是比例太高了比如說達到兩三成我們也會要求他退運或銷毀那如果很少因為過去這幾年來平均
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 查驗到發芽是只有0.6如果我們發現了以後我們會要求這些進口人他要提出一個改善計畫其實市長我想問你就是說你新的法規跟舊的法規為什麼要做這種調整你原本規定就是說只要超過5毫米啊發芽超過5毫米就不得輸入嘛是那你現在為什麼再去做不一樣的改變現在是放寬嘛不是 用途不同啦
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 他說他這個發芽的長度是多少是你再去查 請加工廠來查驗是不是這樣不是 我們查驗的不是加工廠查驗是他如果要進來的話因為我們有做海關查驗喔不是你查驗 不是我們有檢疫人員在海關就檢查到了如果有的話而且情況不是很嚴重那這樣的情況我們會問這些進口的人那你是抽檢還是每一顆都查
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 一個貨櫃有幾顆馬鈴薯?一個貨櫃25公噸
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transcript.whisperx[16].text 除非說有懷疑它懷疑說這個有黑色斑點我們把它送到我們的實驗感染場所我們現在的整個我們就是對馬鈴薯的輸入我查到的資料除進口的冷凍馬鈴薯外馬鈴薯種屬除外生鮮或冷藏的主要的輸入國是美國約佔85%還有澳大利亞約佔15%
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 那我請問你,你這次是針對美國的加工再做一個調整那澳大利亞進口的部分呢?照原來的方式就排除啦?按照舊法規?他們如果只有針對美國因為那個是美國產加工馬鈴薯的輸入檢疫條件
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transcript.whisperx[18].text 那澳國的呢 澳洲的呢澳洲他就是照目前他沒有跟我們談那你為什麼要這樣子去做區別呢美國跟那個澳大利亞為什麼要做區別因為美國給你們施壓是不是不是 這個是本來我們就不斷的兩國之間的諮商這個是一直都在做的所以我說其實我們對美國產加公用馬鈴薯輸入嫌疑條件二月份做這樣的公告
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transcript.whisperx[19].text 其實放寬這個條件就是針對美國這個地區進口的馬鈴薯來做變更調整嘛這整個談判我們就覺得是非常不公平啦是在國際上啊其實也都只有針對加工啦針對加工沒有相值加工那澳大利亞的你為什麼不把他歸類進去因為事實上我們要供
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 我們在民國94年的時候那時候就一致性跟每一個國家那後來陸陸續續有國家之間的相互之商107年的規定跟現在你2月份的公告只針對美國的加工的馬鈴薯做出新的一個公告其他國家你就說剛才跟我講還是用舊的法規
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transcript.whisperx[22].text 吃的就是為他們國人的健康所以在法官上我們真的是要更加的慎重
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transcript.whisperx[23].text 如果經濟部做這樣的一個開放我想真的對國內的健康其實2月6號公告之前我們在國內已經有公告讓我們的公共政策討論我們有公開14天那在WTO我們也提出公告給他們剛才我們也很多委員關心說你未來對加工廠的選別監管
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transcript.whisperx[24].text 大家很關心啦 如果這些加工廠 他們如何去去這個 去檢測出這些發芽的馬鈴薯 是不適宜的所以你未來加工廠的選別監管你將會如何進行在加工廠裡面啦 我們會會同衛福部在加工 事實上啦 那個加工廠指定的地點其實我們是準用那個保稅區 它所有的監
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transcript.whisperx[26].text 一定是要更需要更多的人力嘛所以你檢驗人力足夠嗎你照過去過去就沒有這個規定嘛對但是比例不大啦那個會就是我們所抽到的那個太低了0.6而已所以會增加人力沒有錯0.6就很危險了現在你講0.6或許進來的不止0.6
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transcript.whisperx[27].text 這有一個黑素存在啦市長你們不要太有信心啦不是在美國他要進來的時候他們美國國內他自己就要做檢驗了我在書面檢查我剛都看了你們在書面檢疫證明他們提出來你們就同意他進來了最近我們還要檢查啊你才去送到加工廠去做檢測嘛不是不是海關就先檢查啦所以美國進來完全是書面的檢測而已嘛有美國當方面說我這個是沒問題的我這個是沒有發芽的
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transcript.whisperx[28].text 那你們未來到底是採取每批都檢驗還是抽樣的檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[29].text 這個問題很重要在邊境的話當然是抽樣那個是在加工廠裡面加工廠裡面我們是逐批這個比如說這個申請人他有這一批裡面有三個貨櫃逐批 逐櫃 逐顆在加工廠裡面我們全部逐顆 每一顆都會檢查對要落實啦謝謝委員的關心我們很重視我們非常重視 謝謝
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