| IVOD_ID |
168808 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168808 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-23T11:23:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-23T11:36:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a0a6b12795be5442fd61f3261c1281266726ceb1fc879916a9438ec9e4ea00b3c28002b7c9e729de5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王世堅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:23:37 - 11:36:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、農業部陳部長駿季、衛生福利部石部長崇良、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿就「馬鈴薯輸入之邊境管制、檢疫、查驗等機制如何保障國人食品安全，及後市場抽驗預算執行情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關主計總處暨審計部、審計部臺北市審計處、審計部新北市審計處、審計部桃園市審計處、審計部臺中市審計處、審計部臺南市審計處、審計部高雄市審計處部分。（僅詢答）
三、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關第27款直轄市及縣市政府第3項一般性補助款-財政部主管第1目財政部、第2目國庫署；第13項一般性補助款-其他第1至8目。災害準備金。第二預備金。（僅詢答）
【預算提案截止時間：4月23日（四）下午5時】） |
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大家請陸陸續續就座好不好還在洗手間沒關係但是那個大家保持安靜一下來 謝謝王世堅委員 |
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謝謝主席 我請衛福部莊市長 |
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莊市長這次針對我們自美國輸入馬鈴薯這個防疫檢疫的標準這一個部分所以我們特別找你來那這一個問題針對馬鈴薯輸入台灣 |
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那麼他的檢疫這一部分的條件現在變成是由關務署還有貴部的食藥署以及農業部檢疫師他們處理那我特別沒有找農業部跟關務署上來不用 農業部你請回因為農業部我什麼都管但是什麼都管不好所以你請回你請回 |
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那關務署說實在話是無辜啦關務署其實主要是要針對查緝走私違禁品毒品以及關稅徵收管理那他們本身也已經夠忙啦所以這一次實在是也無妄自在多了這樣子的一個任務所以彭署長請回請回請回所以其實最主要關鍵我們輸入這樣子 |
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的農產品最重要是要檢疫看他這個是不是會對國人健康產生影響所以最關鍵是你們啦你們的檢查啦你們的檢查我們就是要針對是否含有龍葵檢來做檢測那這個部分就是屬 藥物屬就是屬 |
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那個你們衛福部的責任啦食藥署就是要針對這個部分可是很清楚的針對龍葵檢的檢驗那在我們台灣目前只有兩個機構 |
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我們目前有六個機構可以檢驗啦又有多少了嗎沒有就是有兩個是認證的其他也是都可以檢驗沒有認證的我們敢給他做嗎而且每一次檢驗檢驗龍葵你知道嘛你是專家每一次檢驗需要五到七天的時間三天三天好就算你三天我們每次進口啊這個頓數我們有百分之 |
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我們有進口的數量是佔高達15萬噸如果以顆數算那是數百萬顆上百萬顆以上那我請問這麼大的量你要來檢驗就算說檢驗一次要三天在你看只有兩家機構之下我們這個檢驗的量能夠嗎 |
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是這樣子我們現在是用抽驗的方式所以像從113年到現在總共馬鈴薯進來1652批所以我們就是抽2到10%目前我們是檢驗的61批大概4%左右那這個部分事實上量的目前是依風險 |
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那如果有需要的話我們會再加驗現在量能就已經不足了喔不是不足 我們本來就是我們如果查到我們如果查到發芽我們現在不是整批退欸不是了嘛應該是說驗到龍奎檢超過200批驗我們整批退他一批如果有三個貨櫃 三個貨櫃都退 |
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對啦 我是說 但是如果以農業署那個檢驗的方式啦現在沒有檢驗 如果是以發芽 以目測這個標準你沒有整必要 所以量會增大嘛對 鮑偉 如果說是有看到 就是農業部有看到有發芽的部分那他們會把它剔除 那我們會針對這一批的部分你放心啦 農業部看不到的啦 |
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我們會針對這一批去做檢驗我已經認為必須全部寄望於你而且實質下去驗為什麼好你現在說我現在就跟你講投一關用龍奎檢驗好這是第一項第二那之後再來就進來啦 |
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進來就是加工用的這些變成後端茶葉後端茶葉就是用食品工廠他們自己的管理或者我們怎麼樣去抽茶 |
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但是在這一個部分我想莊市長你很清楚我們國內的食品工廠加工廠參差不齊我們都會定期去查核定期查核 你查核的量能是怎麼樣我請問你查核的量能是怎麼樣可不可以請市長說明 |
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我跟你講我們說我們這一次同意同意說加工用的馬鈴薯那這樣子就是說我們不整批退啦我們說比照日本的標準很好光是日本在後端這個加工處理方面他要做這個薯條啊他們就必須要第一個他們有指定的工廠日本政府自己下去指定 |
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要5A級的食品廠才可以做而且特定的品牌要經過日本政府同意第二個他們要有一定的機器設備這個機器設備啊這個機器設備是可以 |
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這個機器設備是可以具備它高度自動化的色澤與形狀辨識機器它是這樣子 色澤跟形狀自動辨識才能夠進入它的加工程序我們有這樣的要求嗎 |
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報告委員對於我們國內的食品加工廠我們本身就有要求要去做一些業者第一個就是業者本身的設施設備本來就要符合相關的規定那在於他開始製造的之前他本身除了要自主的 |
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我們中央跟地方的稽查第一點都量能不足 |
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那這個我不怪中央說是不是監督配合不力不是因為各地方政府這樣子的案量也太大了在我們食安法通過之前在這一個部分我們地方政府實在是力有未待啦好了那這樣我這次就只問你就光這個書 |
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這個馬鈴薯的部分馬鈴薯最重要百分之百加工的就是薯條嘛我現在就問你嘛就光是日本他們說的必須要有色澤與形狀辨識設備這個部分有或沒有我告訴你我問民間的這個相關食品加工廠 |
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他們連聽都沒聽過啦 人家都很老實回答承認嘛那所以啊 我們要 我們說我們輸入我們的條件要比照日本那我們也相對也要有比照日本的設備跟工廠這樣的機制才能比照不是嗎 |
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委員您所關心的就是你只說人家他們進口他們拿一些可以寬一點可以輕鬆一點這是好喔這對大家各國之間貿易的往來這對我們台灣也不是不利我們對人家進口的友善方便通關相對他們也要對我們方便 |
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在農產品的部分但是食品健康的部分怎麼辦還有我再問你莊市長你是專家 |
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580.083 |
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那如果製成薯條或薯餅以後後端你有辦法再去查驗農窺檢嗎不可能啦在傳統市場或是像全聯超商這邊我們會去抽驗還有原料端我們會去抽驗那個已經經過油炸 |
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經過徵組經過N項程序以後我看我們不管食藥署或地方政府衛生局連一件也不會去查啦報告委員如果這個產品進入到工廠工廠裡面的產線從一開始我們工廠有稽查專案我們在去查的時候我現在就請問你可能我問的跟你問的不太一樣嘛我就問你你現在是不是趕快通令這些有做 |
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馬鈴薯加工的這些工廠請問他們有沒有說自動化的色澤與形狀辨識設備有沒有好不好委員您關心的是選別機那就是一個包括它的形狀 |
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648.607 |
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比照日本的標準選擇機裡面包括一開始原料去做一些選別然後包括設則部分那這個部分我們可以再去你可以再跟工廠我們會再跟工廠確認但是基本上這是一個工廠的基本設施設備那麼那個莊市長 |
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還有最後我請教一個問題就是關於我們重要的藥品的管制因為最近國際上有一些紛擾比較不安先前我們在進口藥品的部分就已經碰到一些干擾那這個問題就是說過去長期以來我們都沒有主動去查核這些重要藥品的量 |
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能的這個部分結果這個部分我們都是讓藥商來向我們他們反而是藥商主動必須跟我們報備那我們反而沒有反向去主動要求我們有立法是他們一定要跟我們報備如果說六個月之內有缺藥什麼他一定要跟我們通報這個事實上是有法可以罰這個是讓他來報備我們沒有主動去查查 |
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我認為針對主要的藥品我們會去查工廠也會針對藥商報備來的那現在怎麼會這些重要的藥品有缺貨呢主要有時候是因為突然它原料有缺貨或是說他們工廠要改建那這其實有時候是就是會發生類似這樣的狀況這個我下次好好跟你談一談謝謝你 謝謝謝謝王世堅 |
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王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:24:09.533000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席，我請衛福部莊次長。 |
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主席 |
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1 |
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請莊次長。 |
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0.25 |
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莊次長人祥 |
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2026-04-23T11:24:20.668500+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-23T11:24:31.804000+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:24:31.804000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:25:16.666000+08:00 |
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莊次長，這一次是針對我國自美國輸入馬鈴薯防疫檢疫標準的部分，所以我們特別找你來，關於這個問題，針對馬鈴薯輸入臺灣，有關其檢疫部分的條件，現在變成是由關務署還有貴部的食藥署，以及農業部防檢署他們處理，我特別沒有找農業部跟關務署上來，農業部請回，因為農業部什麼都管，但是什麼都管不好，所以你請回、你請回。 |
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王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:25:18.277000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:25:22.099000+08:00 |
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那關務署，說實在話是無辜啦！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:25:23+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:25:39.630000+08:00 |
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關務署主要是針對查緝走私、違禁品、毒品以及關稅徵收、管理，他們本身已經夠忙了，所以這次實在也是無妄之災，多了這樣子的任務，所以彭署長請回。 |
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0.934 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:25:42.152000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:26:17.813000+08:00 |
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其實最主要的關鍵，我們輸入這樣子的農產品，最重要是要檢疫，看它是不是會對國人健康產生影響，所以最關鍵是你們、你們的檢查啦，你們的檢查就是要針對是否含有龍葵鹼來做檢測，這個部分就是屬食藥署、就是屬你們衛福部的責任，食藥署就是要針對這個部分。是。 |
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0.945 |
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王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-04-23T11:26:18.174000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-04-23T11:26:26.460000+08:00 |
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可是很清楚的是，針對龍葵鹼的檢驗，目前臺灣只有2個機構…… |
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0.833 |
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莊次長人祥 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-04-23T11:26:28.721000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-04-23T11:26:30.802000+08:00 |
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我們目前有6個機構可以檢驗。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-04-23T11:26:31.282000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-04-23T11:26:32.823000+08:00 |
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又多找了嗎？ |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
莊次長人祥 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-04-23T11:26:32.823000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-04-23T11:26:37.225000+08:00 |
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沒有，就是有2個是認證的，其他的也是都可以驗。 |
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0.947 |
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王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-04-23T11:26:37.225000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-23T11:26:39.606000+08:00 |
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沒有認證的，我們敢給他做嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-23T11:26:39.606000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:26:50.011000+08:00 |
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而且每一次檢驗龍葵鹼，我想你應該知道，你是專家，每一次檢驗需要5到7天的時間。3天。3天？ |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-23T11:26:50.252000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-23T11:27:11.223000+08:00 |
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好，就算是3天，我們每次進口的噸數，我們進口的數量是高達15萬噸，如果以顆數算，那是數百萬顆、上百萬顆以上！ |
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0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-23T11:27:11.943000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-23T11:27:23.370000+08:00 |
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那我請問，這麼大的量你要來檢驗，就算檢驗一次要3天，在只有2家機構的情況之下，我們這個檢驗的量能夠嗎？ |
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0.932 |
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莊次長人祥 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-23T11:27:26.565000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-23T11:27:52.119000+08:00 |
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是這樣子，我們現在是用抽驗的方式，所以從113年到現在，馬鈴薯總共進來1,652批，我們就是抽2%到10%，目前我們是檢驗了61批，大概4%左右，而這個部分，事實上量能目前是依風險，如果有需要的話，我們會再加驗。 |
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0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:27:52.119000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:27:53.840000+08:00 |
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現在量能就已經不足了，現在因為我們…… |
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0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
莊次長人祥 |
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2026-04-23T11:27:55.362000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:27:58.224000+08:00 |
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沒有，不是不足，我們本來就是抽2%到10%。 |
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0.688 |
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王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:27:59.225000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:28:04.689000+08:00 |
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我們如果查到發芽的話，我們現在不是整批退、不是了嘛！ |
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0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
莊次長人祥 |
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2026-04-23T11:28:05.190000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:28:10.134000+08:00 |
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應該是說，驗到龍葵鹼超過200 ppm，我們是整批退，它一批如果有3個貨櫃，3個貨櫃都退。 |
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0.794 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:28:12.115000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:28:23.286000+08:00 |
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對啦，我是說如果以農業部那個檢驗的方式，如果是以發芽、以目測這個標準，你並沒有整批退…… |
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0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
莊次長人祥 |
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2026-04-23T11:28:23.286000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-23T11:28:24.286000+08:00 |
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報告委員…… |
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0 |
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王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:28:24.106000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:28:25.948000+08:00 |
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所以量會增大嘛！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
莊次長人祥 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-23T11:28:27.089000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:28:34.216000+08:00 |
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報告委員，如果說是有看到，就是農業部有看到有發芽的部分，那他們會把它剔除，我們會針對這一批的部分…… |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:28:34.516000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:28:36.498000+08:00 |
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你放心啦，農業部看不到的啦！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
莊次長人祥 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-23T11:28:36.878000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:28:38.719000+08:00 |
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我們會針對這一批去做檢驗，沒有發芽的部分也是抽驗。 |
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0.522 |
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王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:28:38.719000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-23T11:28:39.719000+08:00 |
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所以我才會說寄望於你。 |
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0 |
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莊次長人祥 |
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2026-04-23T11:28:39.719000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-23T11:28:40.719000+08:00 |
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我們也會去抽驗。 |
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0 |
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王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:28:38.719000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:28:42.800000+08:00 |
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我已經認為必須全部寄望於你，而且實質下去驗，為什麼……好，我現在就跟你講，頭一關要驗龍葵鹼，這是第一項；第二，那之後，再來呢？ |
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0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-23T11:28:42.800000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-23T11:29:04.324000+08:00 |
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再來就進來了，進來就是加工用的這些，變成怎麼辦？ |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:29:05.285000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:29:28.047000+08:00 |
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變成後端查驗，而後端查驗就是用食品工廠他們的管理、他們自己的管理，或者我們怎麼樣去抽查，但是在這個部分，我想莊次長你很清楚，我們國內的食品工廠、加工廠參差不齊。 |
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0.806 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
莊次長人祥 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-23T11:29:28.047000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:29:29.389000+08:00 |
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我們都會定期去查核。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-23T11:29:29.929000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:29:33.272000+08:00 |
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定期查核，好，你查核的量能是怎麼樣？ |
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0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-23T11:29:33.272000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:29:34.894000+08:00 |
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我請問你查核的量能是怎麼樣？ |
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1 |
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莊次長人祥 |
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2026-04-23T11:29:34.894000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:29:35.935000+08:00 |
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可不可以請食藥署來說明？ |
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0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:29:38.840000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:30:40.635000+08:00 |
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我跟你講，我們這一次同意加工用的馬鈴薯，就是說我們不整批退，我們說比照日本的標準，很好，光是日本在後端加工處理方面，如果要做薯條，他們就必須：第一個，他們有指定的工廠，日本政府自己下去指定要5A級的食品廠才可以做，而且特定的品牌，要經過日本政府同意；第二個，他們要有一定的機器設備，要具備高度自動化的色澤與形狀辨識設備，它是這樣子耶！ |
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0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:30:41.675000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:30:48.537000+08:00 |
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色澤跟形狀自動辨識，才能夠進入它的加工程序，我們有這樣的要求嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
蔡副署長淑貞 |
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2026-04-23T11:30:52.753000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:31:09.951000+08:00 |
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報告委員，對於國內的食品加工廠，我們本身就有要求業者，第一個就是業者本身的設施設備本來就要符合相關的規定，在開始製造之前，它本身除了要自主檢驗、自主管理之外，以及自主監測，那是它自主的第一層；第二層的部分，必要的一個規模之下，可以由第三方來驗證；另外還有一個就是委員非常關心的衛生單位的稽查，衛生單位有中央跟地方共同合作的專案稽查之外，地方也會依它的產業特別去做稽查，三重的把關。 |
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0.368 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:31:10.311000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:31:53.043000+08:00 |
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我跟你講，我們中央跟地方的稽查，第一點，都量能不足，我不怪中央是不是監督、配合不力，因為各地方政府這樣子的案量也太大了，在我們食安法通過之前，在這一個部分，地方政府實在是力有未逮。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:31:54.885000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:32:15.902000+08:00 |
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那這樣我這次就只問你，光是馬鈴薯的部分，馬鈴薯最重要的，百分之百加工的就是薯條，我現在就問你，光是日本他們說的，必須要有色澤與形狀辨識設備，這個部分我們有或沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.945 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:32:16.563000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:32:44.613000+08:00 |
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我告訴你，我問民間的相關食品加工廠，他們連聽都沒聽過，人家都很老實的回答、承認，所以我們說我們輸入的條件要比照日本，那我們相對也要有比照日本的設備跟工廠，有這樣的機制才能比照，不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
蔡副署長淑貞 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-23T11:32:46.212000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:32:47.913000+08:00 |
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委員，您所關心的就是…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:32:48.973000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:33:13.413000+08:00 |
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你只說人家進口，他們哪一些可以寬一點、可以輕忽一點，這是好的，這對各國之間貿易的往來，這對我們臺灣也不是不利，我們對人家進口的友善、方便通關，相對的，他們也要對我們方便，在農產品的部分，但是食品健康的部分怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:33:13.413000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:33:25.746000+08:00 |
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還有，我再問莊次長，你是專家，如果製成薯條或薯餅以後，後端你有辦法再去查驗龍葵鹼嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.892 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:33:25.746000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:33:28.407000+08:00 |
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不可能啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:33:28.407000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-23T11:33:29.407000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
不是嗎？ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
莊次長人祥 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-23T11:33:28.567000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:33:34.769000+08:00 |
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我們通常是在傳統市場或是像全聯超商會去抽驗，還有原料端我們會去抽驗。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.844 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:33:34.769000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:33:51.300000+08:00 |
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那個已經經過油炸、經過蒸煮、經過N項程序以後，我看不管是食藥署或是地方政府衛生局，連一件也不會去查啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
蔡副署長淑貞 |
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2026-04-23T11:33:52.541000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:33:57.842000+08:00 |
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報告委員，如果這個產品進入到工廠，工廠裡面的產線…… |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-23T11:33:57.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-23T11:33:58.842000+08:00 |
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工廠你們有去查？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
蔡副署長淑貞 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-23T11:33:58.762000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:34:00.102000+08:00 |
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我們工廠有稽查專案。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-23T11:34:00.502000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:34:20.180000+08:00 |
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你們再去查的時候……我現在就請問你，可能我問的跟你問的不太一樣，我就問你，你現在是不是趕快通令這些有做馬鈴薯加工的這些工廠，請問他們有沒有自動化的色澤與形狀辨識設備，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
蔡副署長淑貞 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-23T11:34:20.320000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:34:20.821000+08:00 |
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委員，您關心的是選別機對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
蔡副署長淑貞 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-23T11:34:20.821000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:34:22.843000+08:00 |
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那個就是一個包括它的形狀跟色澤…… |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:34:25.607000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-23T11:34:28.170000+08:00 |
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因為我們說比照日本的標準嘛。 |
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0.538 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
蔡副署長淑貞 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-23T11:34:28.411000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:34:34.878000+08:00 |
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選擇機裡面包括一開始原料去做一些選別，然後包括色澤的部分，這個部分我們可以再去調查。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.872 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-23T11:34:35.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-23T11:34:36.560000+08:00 |
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你可以再跟工廠問問。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
蔡副署長淑貞 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-23T11:34:36.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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2026-04-23T11:34:40.425000+08:00 |
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我們會再跟工廠確認，但是基本上，這是一個工廠的基本設施設備，以上報告。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.871 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2026-04-23T11:34:40.465000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:35:20.433000+08:00 |
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莊次長，最後我請教一個問題，就是關於我們重要的藥品的管制，因為最近國際上有一些紛擾，比較不安啦，先前我們在進口藥品的部分就已經碰到一些干擾，這個問題就是過去長期以來我們都沒有主動去查核這些重要藥品量能的部分，這個部分都是藥商主動必須跟我們報備，我們反而沒有反向主動要求…… |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
莊次長人祥 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-23T11:35:20.753000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:35:29.019000+08:00 |
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應該說現在我們有立法他們一定要跟我們報備，如果六個月之內有缺藥什麼的一定要跟我們通報，這個事實上是有法可以罰的。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-23T11:35:29.019000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:35:29.079000+08:00 |
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對，這個是讓他來報備。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-23T11:35:29.079000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:35:37.865000+08:00 |
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我們沒有主動去查察，我認為針對主要的藥品…… |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
莊次長人祥 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-23T11:35:37.985000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:35:41.568000+08:00 |
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有，我們會去查工廠，也會！ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-23T11:35:41.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-23T11:35:42.689000+08:00 |
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針對藥商報備來的？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-23T11:35:42.789000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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2026-04-23T11:35:47.052000+08:00 |
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那現在怎麼會這些重要的藥品有缺貨呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
莊次長人祥 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-23T11:35:47.332000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:35:57.259000+08:00 |
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主要有時候是因為突然原料有缺貨，或是工廠要改建，其實有時候就是會發生類似這樣的狀況。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-23T11:35:57.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-23T11:36:00.582000+08:00 |
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好，這個我下次好好跟你談一談。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
莊次長人祥 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-23T11:36:00.582000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:36:00.702000+08:00 |
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謝謝你，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-23T11:36:00.702000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T11:36:00.982000+08:00 |
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謝謝王世堅委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-23T11:36:01.482000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-23T11:36:18.910571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
王世堅委員剛剛指導的，包括指定加工廠有沒有這樣的量能跟有沒有這樣的設備可以篩檢，就是我剛剛提出來的，請莊次長這邊做完整的書面答復。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-04-23T11:36:19.210571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-23T11:36:22.353429+08:00 |
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接下來請李坤城委員，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0 |