| IVOD_ID |
168796 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168796 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-23T10:33:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-23T10:42:26+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a0a6b12795be54421d9b84354c4b00fb47e947452b276263d3cfaf5c3773194d4bf6fd8005bdee605ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳超明 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:33:57 - 10:42:26 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於公平交易委員會單位預算及附屬單位預算非營業部分關於公平交易委員會主管：反托拉斯基金。(詢答)
二、審查：
(一) 本院委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具「土石採取法第三條條文修正草案」案。
(二) 本院委員黃仁等36人擬具「土石採取法第三條及第十四條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 本院委員邱議瑩等21人擬具「土石採取法部分條文修正草案」案。
(四) 本院委員賴瑞隆等19人擬具「土石採取法部分條文修正草案」案。
(五) 本院委員許智傑等31人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(六) 本院委員柯志恩等19人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(七) 本院委員邱鎮軍等24人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條、第三十八條及第三十九條條文修正草案」案。
(八) 本院委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(九) 本院委員丁學忠等16人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(十) 本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「土石採取法第三十六條、第三十八條及第四十一條條文修正草案」案。
(第十案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文，則不予審查) (詢答及處理)
【4月22日及23日二天一次會】） |
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市長請坐首先請我們公平委員會我們的陳主委請公平委員陳主委 |
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陳志偉今天請教的題目可能看起來比較新鮮我今天要請教我們陳志偉就是以市場監理的角度防範台灣臨場試驗中心聯盟的一個限制跟競爭的疑慮 |
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那這個生技產業這是一個新的開始尤其生技產業也是我們賴總統特別重視台灣一個健康的產業那目前台灣的生技產業也是一個蓬勃的發展它不亞於一個半導體的產業等它成形的時候因為它是關係著我們生命跟健康所以非常重視一塊 |
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但是這個臺灣臨床實驗中心的聯盟它是藥品或醫療器材在臨床實驗階段雖然還沒有具體的商品產出但是我相信你也曉得臨床實驗是本身是藥品取得上市許可的最重要條件 |
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它具有高度市場進入的門檻效果所以目前市場上也可以說是高度靈感的一個競爭要素會對後續的藥品市場競爭造成實質的影響我特別提出來我不曉得你對於藥品要進入人體試驗我們常常講美國的大公司要實驗要花了很多錢 |
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這一點台灣是開始準備要進入世界杯的時候一個最重要的基本工作所以你對於藥品的那個臨產試驗你有沒有深入一個體認跟認識 |
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我想剛剛委員提到的部分剛剛他一開始就談到監管因為公平會比較不是一個監管的機關這個因為涉及到產業的福祉產業政策但是對於這個福祉產業也要有兩家像我們台灣就很奇怪我們抽的那個加持院就只有美國日本進來台灣那麼進步又不給台灣人做 |
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所以我現在不是說我監管你的立場他現在只有單獨一家對 我們現在的觀點從公平會的角度來看就是說現在假設只有兩家那為什麼呢你們啊 前公平會的委員啊貴姓夫你是在115年3月15日投資中特別點數 |
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他說7年114年12月8日衛福部大力支持下集結全台32家頂尖醫療及研究機構的台灣臨床試驗中心的聯名 |
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叫做TACTC正式的成立它的目標是在整合制度的流程將台灣打造為亞太臨床試驗的一個輸流聯名之立與統一IRP就是人體試驗委員會的文件與審查 |
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合約的翻本人才庫的建築及受試者的一個招募平台這幾個都非常重要如果你有再申請要進去的這是一個必備的流程那我為什麼會提這個問題 |
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32家頂尖醫療機構,過從臺灣臨產事業的中心人們那只有一家,因為32家我很懷疑如果你在生機產業裡面有琢磨,你就發覺這裡面的學問很多 |
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你要就是國家成立一個獨立的機構來檢驗這個流程他現在找了32家我會說這跟他獨一無二的生意大家要乖乖的拜託他所以你們要特別注意不是你們監管沒有問題這個叫做壟斷再來你們那個公平委員他說雖然有助於降低聯傳委託試驗的前置成本確實 |
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但是從市場經理以公平交易法的角度不然我不會提出來你們以前委員談的我說這篇文章很有意思把它拿起來看他說當前台32家頂尖醫療機構 |
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在聯名內他的統一交易條件他交換敏感的世紀資訊他排除成年的參與或禁止存取資料時這是我已經觸及公平交易法的聯合行為或者限制的競爭 |
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因為如果你有做過藥品或是怎樣要去臨床試驗台灣現在很多都在推展這樣那只有這一間能做而且32家經濟的醫療機構我沒有跟這32家好好的聯絡一下 |
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我真的會我們真的小的生技公司非常困難你告訴我到底是你們管的嗎你們有資格人管嗎已經提出來了因為這是106年的案子那個我強求了解應該是這是國家 |
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衛福部他本身有參與這樣的一個計畫當中那這個可能是基於機關的產業政策來做的那公平會的角度我們當然不是說這樣的東西全部都沒有問題而只是說通常我們在機關形成這個產業政策過程當中我們會做某一種程度的我們所謂的競爭倡議就是說他們這樣的一個計畫本身有沒有哪一點可能會有競爭上的疑慮 |
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我是不曉得公平會過去是不是有做這一塊但是這對於像類似國家出面來主導的這樣的一個大型的產業政治的發展我們是可以扮演一定的市級的角色我是這樣啊有做過區議員有做過聲援都了解這裡面的奧妙在哪裡講是這麼講能不能公平性 |
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如果國家成立獨立機構,大家還相信他32家,這裡面那種交錯複雜的關係,實在會讓你眼花撩爛,不曉得從哪裡走走,說一個要要到成形很苦。那我這邊特別是提醒, |
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我們的公平交易委員會特別注意一個問題不要變成大企業那幾個企業在掌控這個市場現在的生技產業也很多中小企業他有獨特的技術特別的研發 |
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不是非聯盟你以後進去就非常的困難所以這個政策我倒是很懷疑存在某種的目的跟用意到底在哪裡要嘛你國家就成立像美國這樣FDA的一個機構全部來審怎麼跟32家在中間在一起變成獨一無二連場實驗都要在裡面你現在跟我說國家政策很多都是國家政策成立 |
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這些是藥品到最後是變成商品我是希望你提早我們會注意當然我們注意的點是在這個政策這個聯盟形成以後它後續的一些行為有沒有違反你好好去跟衛福部溝通這樣會引起大家其他的聯想好不好 |
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謝謝委員提醒我們會持續我們會注意這個問題AI舒服師的廣告現在很厲害你們要趕得上追得上我現在那個影片做得太好是我們會注意我們持續我們會關注這個問題好不好加強一下有有我們持續要注意這個問題謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝陳常委員 |