| IVOD_ID |
168796 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168796 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-23T10:33:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-23T10:42:26+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a0a6b12795be54421d9b84354c4b00fb47e947452b276263d3cfaf5c3773194d4bf6fd8005bdee605ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳超明 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:33:57 - 10:42:26 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議(事由:一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於公平交易委員會單位預算及附屬單位預算非營業部分關於公平交易委員會主管:反托拉斯基金。(詢答)
二、審查:
(一) 本院委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具「土石採取法第三條條文修正草案」案。
(二) 本院委員黃仁等36人擬具「土石採取法第三條及第十四條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 本院委員邱議瑩等21人擬具「土石採取法部分條文修正草案」案。
(四) 本院委員賴瑞隆等19人擬具「土石採取法部分條文修正草案」案。
(五) 本院委員許智傑等31人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(六) 本院委員柯志恩等19人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(七) 本院委員邱鎮軍等24人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條、第三十八條及第三十九條條文修正草案」案。
(八) 本院委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(九) 本院委員丁學忠等16人擬具「土石採取法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。
(十) 本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「土石採取法第三十六條、第三十八條及第四十一條條文修正草案」案。
(第十案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文,則不予審查) (詢答及處理)
【4月22日及23日二天一次會】) |
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市長請坐首先請我們公平委員會我們的陳主委請公平委員陳主委 |
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陳志偉今天請教的題目可能看起來比較新鮮我今天要請教我們陳志偉就是以市場監理的角度防範台灣臨場試驗中心聯盟的一個限制跟競爭的疑慮 |
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那這個生技產業這是一個新的開始尤其生技產業也是我們賴總統特別重視台灣一個健康的產業那目前台灣的生技產業也是一個蓬勃的發展它不亞於一個半導體的產業等它成形的時候因為它是關係著我們生命跟健康所以非常重視一塊 |
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但是這個臺灣臨床實驗中心的聯盟它是藥品或醫療器材在臨床實驗階段雖然還沒有具體的商品產出但是我相信你也曉得臨床實驗是本身是藥品取得上市許可的最重要條件 |
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它具有高度市場進入的門檻效果所以目前市場上也可以說是高度靈感的一個競爭要素會對後續的藥品市場競爭造成實質的影響我特別提出來我不曉得你對於藥品要進入人體試驗我們常常講美國的大公司要實驗要花了很多錢 |
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這一點台灣是開始準備要進入世界杯的時候一個最重要的基本工作所以你對於藥品的那個臨產試驗你有沒有深入一個體認跟認識 |
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我想剛剛委員提到的部分剛剛他一開始就談到監管因為公平會比較不是一個監管的機關這個因為涉及到產業的福祉產業政策但是對於這個福祉產業也要有兩家像我們台灣就很奇怪我們抽的那個加持院就只有美國日本進來台灣那麼進步又不給台灣人做 |
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所以我現在不是說我監管你的立場他現在只有單獨一家對 我們現在的觀點從公平會的角度來看就是說現在假設只有兩家那為什麼呢你們啊 前公平會的委員啊貴姓夫你是在115年3月15日投資中特別點數 |
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他說7年114年12月8日衛福部大力支持下集結全台32家頂尖醫療及研究機構的台灣臨床試驗中心的聯名 |
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叫做TACTC正式的成立它的目標是在整合制度的流程將台灣打造為亞太臨床試驗的一個輸流聯名之立與統一IRP就是人體試驗委員會的文件與審查 |
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合約的翻本人才庫的建築及受試者的一個招募平台這幾個都非常重要如果你有再申請要進去的這是一個必備的流程那我為什麼會提這個問題 |
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32家頂尖醫療機構,過從臺灣臨產事業的中心人們那只有一家,因為32家我很懷疑如果你在生機產業裡面有琢磨,你就發覺這裡面的學問很多 |
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你要就是國家成立一個獨立的機構來檢驗這個流程他現在找了32家我會說這跟他獨一無二的生意大家要乖乖的拜託他所以你們要特別注意不是你們監管沒有問題這個叫做壟斷再來你們那個公平委員他說雖然有助於降低聯傳委託試驗的前置成本確實 |
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但是從市場經理以公平交易法的角度不然我不會提出來你們以前委員談的我說這篇文章很有意思把它拿起來看他說當前台32家頂尖醫療機構 |
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在聯名內他的統一交易條件他交換敏感的世紀資訊他排除成年的參與或禁止存取資料時這是我已經觸及公平交易法的聯合行為或者限制的競爭 |
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因為如果你有做過藥品或是怎樣要去臨床試驗台灣現在很多都在推展這樣那只有這一間能做而且32家經濟的醫療機構我沒有跟這32家好好的聯絡一下 |
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我真的會我們真的小的生技公司非常困難你告訴我到底是你們管的嗎你們有資格人管嗎已經提出來了因為這是106年的案子那個我強求了解應該是這是國家 |
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衛福部他本身有參與這樣的一個計畫當中那這個可能是基於機關的產業政策來做的那公平會的角度我們當然不是說這樣的東西全部都沒有問題而只是說通常我們在機關形成這個產業政策過程當中我們會做某一種程度的我們所謂的競爭倡議就是說他們這樣的一個計畫本身有沒有哪一點可能會有競爭上的疑慮 |
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我是不曉得公平會過去是不是有做這一塊但是這對於像類似國家出面來主導的這樣的一個大型的產業政治的發展我們是可以扮演一定的市級的角色我是這樣啊有做過區議員有做過聲援都了解這裡面的奧妙在哪裡講是這麼講能不能公平性 |
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如果國家成立獨立機構,大家還相信他32家,這裡面那種交錯複雜的關係,實在會讓你眼花撩爛,不曉得從哪裡走走,說一個要要到成形很苦。那我這邊特別是提醒, |
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我們的公平交易委員會特別注意一個問題不要變成大企業那幾個企業在掌控這個市場現在的生技產業也很多中小企業他有獨特的技術特別的研發 |
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不是非聯盟你以後進去就非常的困難所以這個政策我倒是很懷疑存在某種的目的跟用意到底在哪裡要嘛你國家就成立像美國這樣FDA的一個機構全部來審怎麼跟32家在中間在一起變成獨一無二連場實驗都要在裡面你現在跟我說國家政策很多都是國家政策成立 |
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這些是藥品到最後是變成商品我是希望你提早我們會注意當然我們注意的點是在這個政策這個聯盟形成以後它後續的一些行為有沒有違反你好好去跟衛福部溝通這樣會引起大家其他的聯想好不好 |
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謝謝委員提醒我們會持續我們會注意這個問題AI舒服師的廣告現在很厲害你們要趕得上追得上我現在那個影片做得太好是我們會注意我們持續我們會關注這個問題好不好加強一下有有我們持續要注意這個問題謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝陳常委員 |
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主席,首先請公平委員會陳主委。 |
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請公平會陳主委。 |
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委員好。 |
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陳主委好。 |
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今天請教的題目可能看起來比較新鮮,我今天要請教陳主委的是,以市場監理的角度,防範臺灣臨床試驗中心聯盟限制競爭的疑慮。 |
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生技產業是一個新的開始,尤其生技產業也是賴總統特別重視的一個臺灣的健康產業,目前臺灣的生技產業也是蓬勃發展,等它成形的時候,不亞於半導體產業,因為它是關係著生命跟健康,所以是應當非常重視的一塊。 |
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但是臺灣臨床試驗中心聯盟是針對藥品或醫療器材,在臨床實驗階段雖然還沒有具體的商品產出,但是我相信你也曉得,臨床試驗是藥品取得上市許可的最重要條件,具有市場進入門檻的效果,目前也可以說是市場上高度敏感的競爭要素,會對後續的藥品市場競爭造成實質影響。 |
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我特別提出來,我不曉得你對於藥品要進入人體試驗……我們常常講美國的大公司實驗要花很多錢,這是臺灣開始準備要進入世界盃最重要的基本工作,所以對於藥品的臨床試驗,你有沒有深入體認跟認識? |
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剛剛委員一開始就談到監管,公平會比較不算是一個監管機關,因為這個涉及到產業扶植、產業政策,但是對於涉及的…… |
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要扶植產業也至少要有兩家,臺灣就很奇怪,我們抽的加熱菸就只從美國、日本進來,臺灣那麼進步卻不給臺灣人做,所以我現在不是說你監管的立場,現在只有單獨一家。對。 |
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陳代理主任委員志民 |
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2026-04-23T10:36:40.079000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:36:42.021000+08:00 |
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從公平會角度來看,假設現在這兩家…… |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
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2026-04-23T10:36:42.681000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:36:42.961000+08:00 |
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為什麼呢? |
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1 |
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陳委員超明 |
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2026-04-23T10:36:44.403000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:37:48.497000+08:00 |
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前公平會委員魏杏芳女士在115年3月15日投書特別點出,去(114)年12月8日在衛福部大力支持下,集結全臺32家頂尖醫療及研究機構的臺灣臨床試驗中心(TACTC)正式成立,它的目標是在整合制度流程,將臺灣打造為亞太臨床試驗的樞紐,聯盟致力於統一IRB,就是人體試驗委員會的文件與審查,包括合約範本、人才庫建置及受試者招募平臺,這幾個都非常重要,如果有在申請藥物試驗,這是一個必備的流程。 |
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0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
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2026-04-23T10:37:49.798000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:37:50.619000+08:00 |
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我為什麼會提這個問題? |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
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2026-04-23T10:37:52.941000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:38:08.216000+08:00 |
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32家頂尖醫療機構構成臺灣臨床試驗中心聯盟,變成只有1家,我很懷疑,如果你對生技產業有著墨,就會發覺這裡面的學問很多。 |
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0.725 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
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2026-04-23T10:38:11.979000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:38:30.974000+08:00 |
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要麼就是國家成立一個獨立的機構來檢驗這個流程,他現在找了32家,這變成獨一無二的生意,大家要乖乖拜託他,所以你們要特別注意,不是你們有沒有監管的問題,這個叫做壟斷。 |
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0.904 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
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2026-04-23T10:38:30.974000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:38:52.636000+08:00 |
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再來,前公平會委員說,「雖然有助於降低臨床試驗委託者的前置成本」,確實,「但是從市場監理與公平交易法的角度」,不然我不會提出來,這是你們前委員談的,我覺得這篇文章很有意思把它拿起來看。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.838 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
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2026-04-23T10:38:53.877000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:39:17.624000+08:00 |
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他說當全臺32家頂尖醫療機構在聯盟內統一交易條件、交換敏感數據資訊,排除非成員參與或禁止存取資料時,是否已經觸及公平交易法的聯合行為或者限制競爭? |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.896 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
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2026-04-23T10:39:25.497000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:39:45.094000+08:00 |
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臺灣現在很多公司都在推展藥品或臨床試驗,如果只有這一家能做而且聯合32家頂級醫療機構,小的生技公司不跟這32家好好聯合一下,生存真的非常困難。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.524 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
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2026-04-23T10:39:45.094000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:39:47.516000+08:00 |
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你回答我,到底是不是你們管的? |
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0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
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2026-04-23T10:39:47.857000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:39:49.879000+08:00 |
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你們有資格管嗎? |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
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2026-04-23T10:39:49.879000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:39:50.860000+08:00 |
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已經提出來了! |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
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2026-04-23T10:39:51.340000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:40:02.049000+08:00 |
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這是106年的案子,就我了解,應該是衛福部本身有參與這樣的計畫,這個可能是基於機關產業政策來做的。 |
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0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
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2026-04-23T10:40:02.570000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:40:27.831000+08:00 |
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從公平會的角度,當然不是說這樣的東西全部都沒有問題,只是通常在機關形成產業政策的過程當中,我們會做某一種程度的競爭倡議,就是他們的計畫本身有沒有哪一點可能會有競爭上的疑慮,我是不曉得公平會過去是不是有做這一塊,但是對於像類似國家出面來主導的大型產業政策發展,我們是可以扮演一定的事前角色。 |
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0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
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2026-04-23T10:40:27.951000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:40:29.173000+08:00 |
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我是這樣啦! |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-23T10:40:30.013000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:40:38.523000+08:00 |
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有做過企業、有做過生意都了解這裡面的奧妙在哪裡,講是這麼講,能不能有公平性,我們存著很大的懷疑? |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.674 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-23T10:40:42.503000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:40:56.891000+08:00 |
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如果國家成立獨立機構,大家還會相信,這裡面32家交錯複雜的關係實在會讓你眼花撩亂、不曉得從哪裡著手,所以一個藥要到成形很不容易。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.807 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-23T10:40:58.152000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:41:26.971000+08:00 |
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我這邊特別提醒公平交易委員會特別注意一個問題,不要變成大企業、那幾個巨頭在掌控這個市場,現在的生技產業也有很多中小企業,他有獨特的技術、特別的研發,不是非聯盟的以後進去就非常地困難,所以對這個政策我倒是很懷疑,存著某種的目的跟用意到底在哪裡? |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
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2026-04-23T10:41:26.971000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:41:50.808000+08:00 |
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要嘛國家就成立像美國FDA的機構全部來審,怎麼跟32家頂尖的這幾間在一起,變成獨一無二,臨床試驗都要在裡面,你現在跟我說這是國家政策,但很多都是國家政策成立的,這是藥品,到最後變成商品,我是希望你提早注意這個問題。是! |
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0.804 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
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2026-04-23T10:41:51.469000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:41:57.415000+08:00 |
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我們會注意,當然我們注意的點是在於這個政策、這個聯盟形成以後,後續的一些行為有沒有違反市場競爭。 |
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0.886 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-23T10:41:57.895000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:42:04.122000+08:00 |
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你好好跟衛福部溝通,這樣會引起大家其他的聯想,好不好? |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-23T10:42:05.162000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:42:07.083000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員提醒,我們會持續注意這個問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-23T10:42:07.083000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:42:14.625000+08:00 |
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AI生成式的廣告現在很厲害,你們要趕得上、追得上,那個影片做得太好,好不好? |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-23T10:42:16.186000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:42:17.146000+08:00 |
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我們會注意,我們持續也在關注這個問題。 |
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0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
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2026-04-23T10:42:17.146000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-23T10:42:18.146000+08:00 |
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你們要在這方面加強一下,好不好?謝謝。 |
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0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-23T10:42:17.366000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:42:17.886000+08:00 |
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有、有,我們持續在注意這個問題,謝謝委員。 |
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0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-04-23T10:42:17.966000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T10:42:18.126000+08:00 |
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謝謝陳超明委員。 |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-04-23T10:42:18.626000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-23T10:42:20.911714+08:00 |
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我們現在休息8分鐘。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-23T10:42:21.211714+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-23T10:42:22.354571+08:00 |
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休息(10時42分) |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-23T10:42:22.654571+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-23T10:42:24.368857+08:00 |
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繼續開會(10時52分) |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-23T10:42:24.668857+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-23T10:42:25.811714+08:00 |
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繼續開會。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-23T10:42:26.111714+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-23T10:42:29.254571+08:00 |
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接下來請邱志偉委員質詢。 |
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0 |