| IVOD_ID |
168792 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168792 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-23T10:23:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-23T10:38:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a0a6b12795be544211b9a8776cd36bd76726ceb1fc879916d3cfaf5c3773194d23f4da59ad76bcb95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:23:57 - 10:38:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、農業部陳部長駿季、衛生福利部石部長崇良、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿就「馬鈴薯輸入之邊境管制、檢疫、查驗等機制如何保障國人食品安全，及後市場抽驗預算執行情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關主計總處暨審計部、審計部臺北市審計處、審計部新北市審計處、審計部桃園市審計處、審計部臺中市審計處、審計部臺南市審計處、審計部高雄市審計處部分。（僅詢答）
三、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關第27款直轄市及縣市政府第3項一般性補助款-財政部主管第1目財政部、第2目國庫署；第13項一般性補助款-其他第1至8目。災害準備金。第二預備金。（僅詢答）
【預算提案截止時間：4月23日（四）下午5時】） |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請我們農業部的次長胡政次請胡次長衛福部的莊次長財政部的阮次長三位長官一起好嗎 |
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委員好我請教農業部還有衛福部長官這個很簡單的就是一個問題就是行政院長說進口的馬鈴薯要竹科檢驗做得到做不到這個在加工廠裡面或者在配合檢疫的指定加工廠裡面事實上是可以做得到的 |
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邊境的 邊境進來邊境的話我們沒有百分之百邊境做不到啦那個那個 為何不能來莊市長做得到嗎依照規定我們是抽驗就是驗百分之二 百分之四如果不合格全部退是不是對 或者消毀是不是對 退役或消毀來 莊市長 |
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請問你海關邊境進來的有多少人?海關多少人?可以檢驗馬鈴薯的多少人?人數是吧?我們沒有專門為這個設定一個專門的團隊啦我只知道八十幾個人啦你們做得到嗎?儲物科這樣檢驗做得到嗎?全部我們加起來就是在運用人力大概一百多人啦是啊這個你知道進來有幾個來 農業部的長官來來來 |
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我們進來一批多少?幾顆?不是一批,現在一年的話是兩萬七千噸幾顆?幾量?幾量?一顆大概三百公克所以幾個?一櫃的話二十五公噸兩百幾顆?進口的量喔?一萬噸的話是三千三百三十三萬顆三千三百多萬顆?對,二點七萬噸的話將近一億顆 |
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一億顆,不只一顆,我算一塊五億顆喔一億啦,大概一億一億顆,一億顆你打下去撿,怎麼做不到啦不是啦,因為院長的意思是在加工廠裡面是逐批、逐貴、逐顆啦那個是在加工廠裡面我們做我講的是,因為他給人家感覺是邊境管理啦 |
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冰淨的話我們如果驗到不行就整退整退就退了所以這個就很明顯的他這個東西不知道腦子發熱了說可以足科去檢驗了足科去檢驗然後然後可以的壞的就把它退掉哪裡有這樣子是整必退啦 |
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現在就是這樣子了整逼退了人民的食安遠高於沒有任何的政治利益可以來交換這個請兩位長官要把守這個這個某種程度等於農業部跟衛福部打臉行政院的院長的講法好 兩位請回我請教財政部的次長 阮次長 |
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現在因為中東戰火 |
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一天數電 到底是要停我不停我 要停止封鎖不停止封鎖不知道變化太大了所以就有人想到說今年的報稅能不能夠延後一個月報稅可不可以跟委員報告我們去年是因為美國宣布我們有一個對等關稅32%所以那時候為了考慮到民間的需求所以我們是有展延一個月 |
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但是今年到目前為止,我們現在股市已經上了三萬七了所以整個來講,股市非常穩健,所以目前是沒有這樣的規劃 |
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沒有這樣規劃 去想一下喔 過兩天你可能就重溫了喔總之請人家一問的話 院長一答應你就乖乖答應喔這你們應該想好喔 然後人家一問問你啦你是管這個國庫的喔 財政部這次取得國票的經營權老實講這是一個 全世界都是 |
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工轉民啦 沒有民轉工啦這是開世界潮流的倒車啦齁只有一個 也要變成第九家的光谷航庫喔是吧真的嗎 委員的意思是 |
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你回答是不是嘛 第九家嘛目前當然 因為還沒改選完嘛改選完就變第九家嘛改選完以後要看改選出來的結果他想要這麼小的一個size這麼小的一個國票金 |
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你為什麼要併他只有一個原因我再猜了只有一個理由嘛你要推動公共併嘛結果以後他要併到我的公共銀行裡面因為現在民間銀行的金空越來越大越來越大我也要有競爭力所以我想辦法我也提升我的公共販公共的競爭力才有道理不然的話我實在想不出道理為什麼要推這個東西啊 |
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其實跟委員報告,其實最主要是國票清,那麼這個二十幾年來,內鬥不斷內鬥跟你有關的,那個民主的大使要跟你有關的公股的,潘公股一直都在裡面,可是一直沒有辦法解決這方面的問題內鬥就多了,內鬥就多了,何時才有,你就揭露 |
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沒有講真話 市長 你在這裡沒有講真話我們這個是為了要整頓這個 整頓國安金整頓國安金 哇 浩偉大你怎麼可以這個長臂拐斜的拐到民間 這個全世界自從蘇聯解體以後 全世界就一股公變成民的熱潮 |
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全世界都是名誉 宮古的 韓國的變成名誉化比較多而不是像現在是開倒車所以只有一個原因啦 我猜啦 |
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你準備要推動 進一步的推動公共病目前是沒有這樣的規劃我現在跟委員報告我們現在會介入這個案子因為老實講 國票監控是我們現在所有監控裡面最少的那我們要介入 其實最主要就是 |
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市長你今天人蠻力 你今天都言不由衷啦我這個沒有時間問你 下次再問你這一題今天叫言不由衷 滿口胡話啦請你回答我們請一下陳主席長請一下陳主席長跟沈機長一起沈機長 |
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2031年人均GDP要高出日本韓國一萬塊我們的主計總數平均薪資四萬八 |
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請問主席長平均是四萬八六成以上的領不到平均薪資啦現在景氣是都集中在AI概念股你知不知道如果今天我們股票說剛才講了財政部長說一直漲很熱三萬七、三萬八如果把台積電抽掉 |
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有人給他算一算啦如果把台積電今天沒有台積電我們大概就兩萬億我們就兩萬一千點我們就兩萬一千點所以這是暴力的台灣非常嚴重的經濟荷蘭病 |
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我查了我們現在今年1月到3月上市股票漲幅大於高盤大盤的211家11%左右上櫃116家8.33左右上市櫃公司總共有1933家換言之現在台灣的百姓是只要你的資金都沒有去買股票的話你就相對吃貧乎了 |
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如果你要不要買到AI概念股,那你也一樣就變這個樣子,所以我們是嚴重的扭曲哇好看,非常好看啊,這個叫什麼?賺的指數賠了股價,沒賺錢啊主計長,我們再看下一張,我再給主計長看一下有沒有機構發佈說明經濟信心 |
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警機長王下滑 消費業下滑 股市投資下滑37%認為今年的GDP超過7%因為你講7點 主計長說過7點多吧超過7%的37%60%認為CPI要超過2%這個數字 |
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是老百姓普遍人心聲不到四成的人認同你的講法說我們今年GDP會高於七八即便高於七八也都是AI概念股台積電如果抽掉只剩兩萬億你有沒有回應一下 |
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對就是AI概念AI的部分的確佔重要的部分但是其他它也帶動其他沒有啊它的沒有啊對所以它譬如說它上游的原料啊那擴充產能廠房增添設備沒有啊帶動建材還有金屬這些的一個成長所以它不是只有AI概念回到上一章來回到上一章你就可以看嘛 |
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你這個大盤,這大盤就是台積電撐起來的大一大盤的只有11%嘛上櫃的大一大盤的只有8.38%就很明顯加起來不到兩成啊那我要上升喔,我們沒有所謂荷蘭病啦因為荷蘭病它只是集中一個產業但是我們其實相對的產業其他其他傳統產業也有上升只是它上升的弧度還有歪的一個那麼大 |
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你有糾正過我要替台北市政府降花回來村的水庫長期被台電壓榨他回水庫過去四年一度店賣給台電1.5到2塊錢左右 |
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光電4塊到5塊 風電有時候高達7塊錢一年它賣了2億度電了所以等於我們一年來講的話台北市政府就被台電坑了4億了檢察院糾正過你們糾正說收購匯率偏低現在還偏低 全部檢察院對這個事情怎麼處理 |
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因為整個是綠電喔因為它水利發電是綠電綠電光電4到5塊風電有時候高達7塊5到7塊但是為什麼翡翠水庫就給它收1塊半到2塊錢而已過去4年 |
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這一個部分是我們審計部去查的有這樣的一個現象就我們後來監察院在看我們的審計報告的時候他會把這個問題他們再調查一次所以他們提出糾正這個我們會繼續追蹤 |
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我們會追蹤怎麼樣是一個合理處理的方案把一個事情 把它合理就是台電加價 回居石庫加價吧這個是我們同仁努力的最後一個 現在什麼高德地圖在台灣很老用的就是一個APP |
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裡面就是放這個讓紅利的描述很準的結果說這個可能有治安的問題可能要什麼 一個非紅供應鏈我就問你 請問非紅供應鏈是不是在審計部的審計範圍裡面要查所有的零組件通通不可以佔到大陸一點點 |
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這一個部分我們要看國家的規定國家的規定如果都是說不可以為什麼會規定不可以是不是合理我們也會進行了解所以這一個部分就是我們審計在做的每次審計不容易做到一個舉例我們要發展無人機無人機全世界最大戰火力是大中歐大陸 |
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百分之七十關鍵民主圈也來自於中國大陸所以你阿拉伯阿拉伯你看剛才講高德地圖這個我們不是跟大陸買的啊是跟荷蘭買的啊可是呢它裡面有一點東西是大陸的啊就變成這樣沒來沒去都會賭到勒 |
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所以這個規定啊 政府的規定啊 我們會注意到它規定的一個造成 是不是普遍的不適合我們會提出我們軍人穿的衣服 對所以我們也在查 你的投標稀珠啊 是怎麼規定的去好好去落實 如果做不到也要讓行政部門知道 這個其實 |
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不容易做到了好 我們謝謝 後續的再請用書面回覆 |