| IVOD_ID |
168785 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168785 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-23T09:59:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-23T10:11:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a0a6b12795be5442b6dea82cdec4d9936726ceb1fc879916d3cfaf5c3773194de5986559e7e11f9b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林德福 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:59:01 - 10:11:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、農業部陳部長駿季、衛生福利部石部長崇良、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿就「馬鈴薯輸入之邊境管制、檢疫、查驗等機制如何保障國人食品安全，及後市場抽驗預算執行情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關主計總處暨審計部、審計部臺北市審計處、審計部新北市審計處、審計部桃園市審計處、審計部臺中市審計處、審計部臺南市審計處、審計部高雄市審計處部分。（僅詢答）
三、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關第27款直轄市及縣市政府第3項一般性補助款-財政部主管第1目財政部、第2目國庫署；第13項一般性補助款-其他第1至8目。災害準備金。第二預備金。（僅詢答）
【預算提案截止時間：4月23日（四）下午5時】） |
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謝謝主席是不是請陳審計長還有財政部的阮次長還有農業部的胡次長還有衛福部的莊次長 |
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還有食藥署的這個蔡副署長蔡副署長委員好那個審計長你好因為我國花生進口辣椒粉含工業用的蘇丹酮素等食安的事件危害國人的健康引發民眾的恐慌那審計部有提出這個專案審計報告同樣的道理 |
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本席也希望審計部針對馬鈴薯食品安全的議題進行一個專案調查從農業部、衛福部、馬鈴薯加工廠所在地地方的衛生局到底投入多少的預算設備確保民眾食品的安全尤其是實驗室的檢驗能量是否足夠 |
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本市是希望說省紀部啊會後啊能夠給我們所有立委啊一份書面的報告可以可以齁這個很重要按照過去這個衛教宣導都在告訴民眾勿食用花芽的馬鈴薯然而近期馬鈴薯的爭議啊許多網紅分享不正確的信息告訴民眾切掉花芽部分的還是可以食用 |
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那現任食藥署江志剛署長在2018年在台大當醫師的時候寫了一篇文章看見綠頭的薯條怎麼辦內容提到花芽的馬鈴薯龍葵鹼含量則在1000ppm其中花芽的馬鈴薯這個 |
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龍奎鹼含量更高達2000ppm可見啦專家都認為花芽馬鈴薯食安風險非常的高那我請問衛福部遇到花芽馬鈴薯建議民眾要如何處理衛福部有關花芽馬鈴薯一定是整顆丟棄不能使用 |
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要丟棄嘛那媒體報導說林口長庚醫院臨床毒物中心的主任顏忠海指出即使僅有少數馬鈴薯出現化藥的情形其所含的龍葵鹼 |
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能可能污染同批其他正常的馬鈴薯呼籲主管機關應要加強龍葵鹼的抽驗不管今天進口美國馬鈴薯是加工用的還是實用的最後都是到消費者的市場變成民眾吃下肚 |
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你不管是加工也好其他進口也好幾乎都是下渡那為何使用馬鈴薯輸入簡歷條件馬鈴薯花芽必須整批退運而加工的馬鈴薯花芽後卻換寬整批馬鈴薯有條件的進入加工廠處理你的看法勒 |
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報告委員現在的做法是這樣如果是農業部在邊境發現有發芽的馬鈴薯那他們會把這些發芽馬鈴薯剔掉那我們會針對這一批馬鈴薯會再去做抽驗這個有關龍葵檢 |
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那當然如果驗出超過200ppm就會整批退運本席是希望農業部跟衛福部要以民眾食品安全作為優先所以本席也希望說加工馬鈴薯花芽應該整批退運你不能留存因為留存以後都會到消費者身上讓他們來承擔食安的風險你認不認同這個有關花芽部分可能是農業部這邊 |
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對不對 你們要說清楚講明白啊花芽不代表就有龍葵茧因為那個必須要在經過花芽不代表就有龍葵茧因為花芽在0.5公分以內的話那個是 |
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都會被承認的日本人根本就不檢查有沒有花芽你不要講日本我們今天是針對我們食安食安的風險因為你為什麼整批進口加工就可以來做處理不加工的話你就是只要有花學它確實有龍奎鹼有花芽就要整批退這個裡面就是考量到為什麼食安是多重要啊 |
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對不對 不要把人民的那個健康來開玩笑沒有錯 我也是國民啦我的家人我的親友都是國民我們非常重視這一塊啦 |
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那在農業部的部分我們是防疫主要是說防疫就怕這些流入的馬鈴薯它流到田裡面又去種種的時候把國外的病人菌把它帶進來這個是我們所擔心的至於食品安全的話這個要麻煩衛福部來做回應本席先跟財政部跟農業部確認啦美國加工用的馬鈴薯在海關的貨品號 |
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列的號碼是不是07019000-003因為昨天我的助理有特別打電話去聯繫農業部的防檢署確認而農業部在4月15日衛防委員會書面報告裡面提到新檢疫條件2月6日 |
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實施到現在為止上有美國加工用的馬鈴薯輸入但是本期請助理查了一下上述貨品號列的馬鈴薯今年3月從美國進口的馬鈴薯數量有137公噸 |
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價值是221萬新台幣外界沒有辦法分辨哪些是加工用的馬鈴薯哪些是實用的馬鈴薯那我請問農業部跟財政部美國加工用與實用的馬鈴薯都在一個貨號如何來避免外界的誤判 |
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是 報告委員到目前為止美國進來全部都是現實用的都是生鮮的 沒有加工的那第二個我們也發現這個貨號是相同所以已經跟財政部提出申請相信在最近的這個時間以內財政部就會給我們分開 |
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那因為美國的這個加工用的這個馬鈴薯啊七月之後才會進口所以這一段期間我們應該財政部我們已經因為齁 人民很關心這個事情啊對對對 外面的都很關心因為根據媒體報導 衛福部對進口馬鈴薯目前才一般的抽批 查檢那抽驗率啊2%到10%而已那請 |
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這個衛福部分別說明美國食用與加工用的馬鈴薯依規定抽檢龍葵檢含量超過200ppm時會如何處置不管是否食用或加工都是整批退運或銷毀嗎包委員就是如果我們一旦驗到這個龍葵檢超過200ppm我們整批退運也就是說它一批裡面可能有三個貨櫃這三個貨櫃就是退運或銷毀一定不能進入到我們的市場 |
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因為人民非常重視就是這個食安的問題農業部房檢署邊境除批茶葉馬鈴薯打開貨櫃發現馬鈴薯花芽依現行的規定可封存然後運往加工廠若該批馬鈴薯食藥署沒有抽到茶葉 |
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農業部是否會通知食藥署去補查驗該批馬鈴薯的龍奎檢到底有沒有超標會不會因為如果龍奎檢超標那請問各主管機關你們要如何處理 |
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就是我們會驗龍奎檢重金屬跟農藥殘留這三項只要超標就一定退運或銷毀我是希望說這個要嚴謹農業黃檢署打開貨櫃沒有發現馬鈴薯花芽但是藥署抽到要檢驗龍奎檢請問該批馬鈴薯是否需等化驗後出爐才能將整批貨櫃送往加工廠加工 |
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對 一定要等他 的確沒有超過兩百多億因為現在的老百姓他們非常非常關心有關於馬鈴薯的融回錢因為這個跟很多民眾在吃馬鈴薯以後到底會不會產生食安的問題我認為這個是非常非常重要我希望各行政官員本著良心 |
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自己吃才能讓一般的老百姓吃啦你不要說因為我檢驗的時候然後這個上面規定怎麼樣我要是去放寬然後到最後出問題那時候汪洋補勞都來不及了啦我們要事前去杜絕緩緩那這個最後一個議題關於中央政府永續發展政府的債券目前看來財政部啊 |
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115年115第一期的公債金門大學校舍興建外發行金額為新台幣4億元年期為30年那我請問財政部115年是否還有其他計畫會發行永續發展的債券 |
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我們除了金門大學的這個永續艦的發行之外另外我們就是高雄的航空站那金額是790億那我們現在在福島他能夠發行永續載 |
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那這部分我們會積極來推動目前除了中央之外我們也希望地方政府能夠加入來發行所以現在目前中央跟地方已經發行了大概345億所以未來我們會跟金管會還有櫃買中心我們合作尋找相關案員來發行相關的永續債好 這樣我了解其實剛剛前一位委員所講的有一些我都聽不下去 |
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大家都很清楚 沈記長那個竹記長你上來我請教你你那個電會說電梯沒有電沒有電會可以支運可能嗎那是經常門啊你就是預算沒有過一樣可以發會啊那個都是在騙老百姓不是他如果沒有編預算就不能沒有編預算拜託電會沒有編預算你每年都編了沒有編預算 |
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經常門欸那不是資本門欸對不對你組計長你做那麼久難道連這一點你都不懂嗎對不對因為他業務全部被減的百分之九十七啦九十七啦去年的時候經常門都可以用去年用的今年都可以用 |
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對不對 你就是預算沒有過也可以用大家心知肚明 對不對 不要騙老百姓經常門啦 你的水電 該用的 本來經常門就可以用資本門我不敢講經常門主要是人事費和業務費為大宗啦那再來譬如說 |
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店會沒有嗎所以他可以留用的部分你這個店會沒有嗎你大宗的被減掉很多債不要去扭曲啦店會每年固定編的你喔身為組織長你一定要講實話讓老百姓清楚我們是針對問題不要去扭曲去騙我們沒有扭曲啦好不好謝謝 |