| IVOD_ID |
168776 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168776 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-23T09:36:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-23T09:47:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:12 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a0a6b12795be54426856d45216dd46996726ceb1fc8799165c559c9b7407d71c6175e7c94f56e9555ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
顏寬恒 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:36:55 - 09:47:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、農業部陳部長駿季、衛生福利部石部長崇良、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿就「馬鈴薯輸入之邊境管制、檢疫、查驗等機制如何保障國人食品安全，及後市場抽驗預算執行情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關主計總處暨審計部、審計部臺北市審計處、審計部新北市審計處、審計部桃園市審計處、審計部臺中市審計處、審計部臺南市審計處、審計部高雄市審計處部分。（僅詢答）
三、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關第27款直轄市及縣市政府第3項一般性補助款-財政部主管第1目財政部、第2目國庫署；第13項一般性補助款-其他第1至8目。災害準備金。第二預備金。（僅詢答）
【預算提案截止時間：4月23日（四）下午5時】） |
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陳主計長淑姿 |
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主席 各位電視觀眾大家早主席有請農業部胡次長好 請農業部胡政次先請我們那個主計總署的陳主計長陳主計長 |
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主席總署主要工作是針對社會指標國民所得家庭收入調查及各項物價指數的進行統計但我們今天要討論就是說這個數據本身如果無法反映真實 |
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那政府的市政方向是否會產生偏差這個有很大的一個疑慮 |
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只增加了0.01倍那這個數據呈現幾乎是完全沒有變動無法解釋這個民眾對於說薪資分配不均身為壓力巨大的感受落差那是不是可以解讀說大眾所關心的這些分配問題已經無法單靠五等分配倍數來展現這是第一個問題第二個問題就是我們家庭收支調查的樣本數從103年以來長達11年都維持在 |
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16,528戶那這11年以來全國總加戶數母體增加了超過97萬戶那以桃園為例這個母體戶數這11年來增加了26.48%但是本數卻始終是1500戶 |
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那又第17期調查的可支配所得變異數介於1.6%到1.9%那是民國84年以來各期最高的這就代表說統計誤差正在擴大 |
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那民眾要知道如何對這份數據有信心那我們身為專業的統計單位嘛那什麼時候要開始著手校正有沒有要校正先問我們主計總署這兩個問題 |
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我們一般抽樣的一個案件數並不是重點啦而是說抽樣的一個那個有沒有精準就是那些樣本有沒有精準分層有沒有分層的好不清楚請你大聲一點好不好就是說我們抽樣的樣本數並不是說因為我們是整個22縣市全部去做抽樣那大概如果個額直轄市做差不多1500個樣本這樣子但是問題就是說你有時候增加樣本不見得說對它整個 |
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有很大的一個那個所以本身我們目前一般像我們是抽出1.9嘛1.8那但是也都高於每日的一個抽出的樣本那所以這個部分就是看我們分層抽的一個準確度這個部分我們是會加強這個部分那你如果增加樣本數不見得能夠增加 |
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那怎麼樣能夠增加準確性啊所以這個部分我們就會盡量來研究那我請我們這個處長跟你報告一下就是說怎樣來改善這個盡量簡短好不好 時間有限其實那個在做調查的時候那個樣本數不是很絕對我們再抽得好的就好所以我們這分層這一部分我們做了很大的精進我們結合大數據的那個內政部那個國土資訊系統那個整個分層我們大概 |
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收支調查是政府制定社會福利最低工資還有負稅調整的重要指標 |
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那如果說系統性的偏差我們剛剛提到這個部分的話都將會失之毫厘失之毫厘就是差之千里所以在政策的制定如果因為這是偏差那可能就會導致後面整個整個一個系統性的一種不完整性一種敗壞那我再提到就是說像 |
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我們看到這四五個執行率連續三年到四年未達八成的基金特別是國立空中大學還有國立文化機構作業基金還有課發基金這三者連續四年執行率甚至不到四成所以連續四年執行率不到四成這代表這些計畫從頭到尾都在亂編 |
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你們有經費有編制但是呢這樣子的一個執行率那麼低那根據預設法第66條你們隨時可以派員赴各機關實地調查實際的一個情況那你們到底有沒有去調查有沒有上進督導考核那各種這個基金他會計制度實施狀況的責任有沒有去督導跟考核啦 |
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那如果有 為何執行率會這麼低那如果沒有那就是代表說主計總署執行現況完全脫節僅靠資本來管理上千億的特種基金預算來 總長 主委總 呃 主委長 |
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我們大部分都有請同仁到各基金然後去做輔導啦如果像這些那剛剛談到的那個科學園區管理作為基金這個部分執行比較困難大部分主要是台中嘛台中那個園區它擴建二期那個局長那個時間有限啦我想說預算不是提款金所以納稅的錢不能亂花是我要求是不是一個月內提出改善報告好不好好那個那個那個 |
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先請回主席 我們那個農業部次長來了嗎來 有請 |
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來 副市長委員好我們從小這個小時候就被長輩或老師或者是家長告知說馬鈴薯這個發芽有毒 不能吃如果發霉或是那些都不能吃有毒那但是只要說一袋馬鈴薯裡面有一顆兩顆我們基本上整袋就都丟掉了整袋就不敢用了但是現在我們政府告訴我們說只要剔除有問題的馬鈴薯 |
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而且加工用的螞蟻鼠這個龍許的那個那個所謂的龍奎鹼的一個毒素龍許只要放寬到200ppm那其實這個龍奎鹼是很毒的他不只是會破壞我們的細胞他甚至還有神經神經的神經毒素啦 |
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所以輕則就是嘔吐腹瀉然後痙攣但是如果嚴重的他血液血壓下降發燒還有神經系統的病狀甚至於死亡所以說你怎麼有辦法確認說你發現這一顆丟掉其他的沒問題好 這第一個啦那第一個說 辦法假設這些又流入一個加工端啊流入加工端那到時候誰敢吃 誰要負責啦 |
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你們邊境防疫也好,農業部也好,衛福部也好,然後邊境防疫讓他進來,然後到了加工端,那這樣子你要告訴國民說沒問題,沒問題拿掉了,我們一年從美國進口五億顆啦,五億顆,那有多少人可以去抽檢,有多少人可以去檢查,有辦法五億顆都看過嗎,這我不相信啦,這我不相信,沒有人做到滴水不漏啦, |
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還有外部說文宣上面說會進行市場沖運我們要等到他聯絡市場聯絡加工端變成食品之後再去沖運那這樣子到時候這些本來是美國業者要自行處理的問題 |
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現在跑到我們台灣之後然後由於我們台灣政府要擴置人力、物力然後去抽撿然後我們的基金人員還有我們台灣的加工業者我們台灣的人民變成白老鼠變成有這個中毒的風險他本來是他們國內美國要自己處理的現在變成我們台灣要幫他處理所以我們台灣現在我們的農業部、衛福部還有我們這些部會所長好像是在替美國服務咧不是替我們台灣人服務咧 |
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這個部分我想時間有限啦我們台灣的食品安全不可以一退再退啦縱使要討好美國也不可以一退再退啦這個部分我想時間有限我就要求我們農業部這個部分跟我們外部要從實要怎麼樣能夠完全的檢測這五億顆的馬鈴薯要怎麼樣滴水不夠做到你們可不可以提出一個說法 |
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在檢疫的部分農業部是負責檢疫啦那剛才委員你講到農奎檢農奎檢那是衛福部因為這個是食安的問題在檢疫的部分我們是針對三樣一個就是說你這個進來你有沒有八種病蟲害第二個有沒有帶土第三你有沒有花芽花芽有沒有超過0.5公分市長我知道農業部有農業部的職責衛福部有衛福部職責 |
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我們要做到低水不漏 |
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顏委員寬恒 |
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主席、各位列席官員，大家早。 |
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顏委員寬恒 |
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主席，有請農業部胡次長。 |
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主席 |
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請農業部胡政次，還有哪一位？ |
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顏委員寬恒 |
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先請主計總處的陳主計長。 |
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主席 |
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陳主計長。 |
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陳主計長淑姿 |
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委員好。 |
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顏委員寬恒 |
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主計長早。 |
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顏委員寬恒 |
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先跟你討論民生方面的問題，主計總處的主要工作是針對社會指標、國民所得、家庭收入調查及各項物價指數進行統計，但是我們今天要討論的是，這個數據本身如果無法反映真實，政府的施政方向是否會產生偏差？ |
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顏委員寬恒 |
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這有很大的一個疑慮。 |
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顏委員寬恒 |
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101年家戶可支配所得中位數占平均數比率是87.45%，但是到了113年已經降到84.55%，這顯示家戶所得平均數的成長遠快於中位數，所以所得分配不均的趨勢越來越明顯，主計總處對外發布的5等分位差距倍數，從101年到113年，只增加了0.01倍，這個數據呈現幾乎是完全沒有變動，無法解釋民眾對於薪資分配不均、生活壓力巨大的感受落差，是不是可以解讀為大眾所關心的這些分配問題，已經無法單靠5等分位差距倍數來展現，這是第一個問題。 |
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顏委員寬恒 |
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第二個問題，我們家庭收支調查的樣本數，從103年以來，長達11年都維持在1萬6,528戶，這11年以來，全國總家戶數母體增加了超過97萬戶，以桃園為例，母體戶數這11年來增加了26.48%，但是本數卻始終是1,500戶。 |
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顏委員寬恒 |
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又，第17期調查可支配所得變異數介於1.6%到1.9%，是民國84年以來各期最高的，這就代表統計誤差正在擴大，但民眾要知道如何對這份數據有信心，而你們身為專業的統計單位，什麼時候要開始著手校正？ |
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顏委員寬恒 |
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有沒有要校正？ |
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顏委員寬恒 |
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先問主計總處這兩個問題。 |
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陳主計長淑姿 |
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我們一般抽樣的案件數並不是重點，而是抽樣的那些樣本有沒有精準，分層有沒有分層得好…… |
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顏委員寬恒 |
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2026-04-23T09:39:46.951000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:39:47.931000+08:00 |
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聽不清楚，請你大聲一點，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
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2026-04-23T09:39:49.212000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:40:27.170000+08:00 |
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我們抽樣的樣本數，因為我們是整個22縣市全部去做抽樣，各直轄市都差不多1,500個樣本，但是問題是，有時候增加樣本，不見得對它整個有很大的一個……所以目前一般像我們是抽出1.8%，但是也都高於美、日抽出的樣本，所以這個部分就是看我們分層抽的一個準確度，我們是會加強這個部分，如果增加樣本數不見得能夠增加它的精確度…… |
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0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
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2026-04-23T09:40:28.850000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-23T09:40:30.231000+08:00 |
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好，怎麼樣能夠增加準確性，有什麼做法？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
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2026-04-23T09:40:31.552000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:40:38.296000+08:00 |
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這個部分我們會儘量來研究，我請我們處長跟您報告一下怎樣來改善。 |
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0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
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2026-04-23T09:40:38.876000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-23T09:40:40.037000+08:00 |
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儘量簡短好不好，時間有限。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
李參事佳航 |
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2026-04-23T09:40:41.318000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-23T09:40:54.685000+08:00 |
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其實在做調查的時候，那個樣本數不是很絕對，我們只要抽得好的就好，所以我們在分層這一部分，我們做了很大的精進，我們也結合大數據，內政部國土資訊系統整個分層，我們大概抽好以後也給縣市看看大概整個的分布狀況，所以目前整個雖然是一萬六千多戶，但是整個變異係數控制大概在2%以內，所以這個部分大概是這個樣子。 |
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0.511 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
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2026-04-23T09:40:56.407000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:41:26.148000+08:00 |
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好，我再請教，收支調查是政府制定社會福利最低工資，還有賦稅調整的重要指標，如果系統性的偏差，我們剛剛提到的這個部分都將會失之毫釐，失之毫釐就會差之千里。 |
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0.855 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
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2026-04-23T09:41:26.688000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:41:40.951000+08:00 |
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所以在政策的制定，如果因為這些偏差，可能就會導致後面整個系統性的一種不完整性、一種敗壞。 |
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0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-23T09:41:41.091000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:42:24.379000+08:00 |
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我再提到，像我們看到這15個執行率連續3年到4年未達八成的基金，特別是國立空中大學，還有國立文化機構作業基金，還有科發基金，這三者連續4年執行率甚至不到四成，所以連續4年執行率不到四成代表這些計畫從頭到尾都在亂編，你們有經費、有編制，但是執行率那麼低，根據預算法第六十六條，你們隨時可以派員赴各機關實地調查實際的情況，你們到底有沒有去調查、有沒有善盡督導考核？ |
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0.956 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
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2026-04-23T09:42:25.139000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:42:31.886000+08:00 |
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各種基金會計制度實施狀況的責任，有沒有去督導跟考核？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
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2026-04-23T09:42:32.546000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:42:44.350000+08:00 |
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如果有，為何執行率會這麼低；如果沒有，那就是代表主計總處執行現況完全脫節，僅靠紙本來管理上千億的特種基金預算。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
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2026-04-23T09:42:45.751000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:42:54.434000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，我們大部分都有請同仁到各基金做輔導，像這些。 |
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0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
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2026-04-23T09:42:55.795000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:43:04.418000+08:00 |
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剛剛談到科學園區管理作業基金這個部分執行比較困難，大部分主要是臺中，臺中那個園區擴建二期，土地取得的部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.837 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
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2026-04-23T09:43:05.939000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:43:11.181000+08:00 |
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主計長，時間有限，我想預算不是提款機，所以納稅人的錢不能亂花。是。 |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
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2026-04-23T09:43:11.641000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:43:15.043000+08:00 |
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我要求一個月內提出改善報告，好不好？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
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2026-04-23T09:43:18.664000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:43:19.005000+08:00 |
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好，先請回。 |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
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2026-04-23T09:43:19.685000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:43:20.647000+08:00 |
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主席，農業部次長來了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-23T09:43:20.647000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-23T09:43:21.647000+08:00 |
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農業部胡政次。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
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2026-04-23T09:43:20.647000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:43:35.378000+08:00 |
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有請，胡次長。 |
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0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
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2026-04-23T09:43:35.378000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:43:35.598000+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
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2026-04-23T09:43:36.639000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:43:55.444000+08:00 |
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我們從小時候就被長輩、老師或者是家長告知馬鈴薯發芽有毒不能吃，或者如果發黴等等都不能吃，因為有毒，一袋馬鈴薯裡面只要有一顆、兩顆，我們基本上整袋就都丟掉了、整袋就不敢用了。 |
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0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
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2026-04-23T09:43:56.165000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:44:27.581000+08:00 |
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但是現在政府告訴我們只要剔除有問題的馬鈴薯，而且加工用的馬鈴薯，龍葵鹼的毒素容許值要放寬到200ppm，其實龍葵鹼是很毒的，它不只是會破壞我們的細胞，它甚至還有神經毒素，輕則就是嘔吐、腹瀉、痙攣，但是如果嚴重的，會有血壓下降、發燒，還有神經系統的病狀，甚至於死亡。 |
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0.904 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-23T09:44:28.461000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:44:34.145000+08:00 |
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所以你怎麼有辦法確認發現的這顆丟掉，其他的沒問題，這第一個。 |
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0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-23T09:44:34.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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2026-04-23T09:44:41.570000+08:00 |
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第二個，假設這些流入了加工端，到時候誰敢吃，誰要負責？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-23T09:44:42.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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2026-04-23T09:44:52.934000+08:00 |
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你們邊境防疫也好，農業部也好、衛福部也好，邊境防疫讓它進來了，然後到了加工端，這樣子你要告訴國人沒問題，有問題的拿掉了。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.906 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-23T09:44:53.335000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:45:03.339000+08:00 |
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我們一年從美國進口5億顆，有多少人可以去抽檢、有多少人可以去檢查，有辦法5億顆都看過嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-23T09:45:03.339000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-23T09:45:06.360000+08:00 |
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這我不相信，如何做到滴水不漏？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-23T09:45:07.840000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:45:42.119000+08:00 |
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還有衛福部文宣上面說會進行市場抽驗，我們要等到它流入市場、流入加工端，變成食品之後再去抽驗，這些本來是美國業者要自行處理的問題，現在跑到臺灣之後，臺灣政府要編制人力、物力，然後去抽檢，我們的稽核人員，還有臺灣的加工業者、臺灣的人民變成白老鼠，變成有中毒的風險。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.863 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-23T09:45:42.279000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:45:53.347000+08:00 |
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本來是美國國內他們要自己處理的，現在變成我們臺灣在幫他處理，所以在臺灣，我們的農業部、衛福部，還有這些部會首長，好像是在替美國服務，不是替我們臺灣人服務。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.899 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-23T09:45:57.348000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:46:02.989000+08:00 |
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臺灣的食品安全不可以一退再退，縱使要討好美國，也不可以一退再退。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-23T09:46:04.549000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:46:19.233000+08:00 |
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我想時間有限，我就要求農業部及衛福部針對這個部分要好好研議，看看怎麼樣才能夠完全檢測這五億顆馬鈴薯、怎麼樣才能夠做到滴水不漏，你們可不可以提出一個說法？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.732 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-23T09:46:20.629000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-23T09:46:23.370000+08:00 |
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在檢疫的部分，農業部是負責檢疫。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-23T09:46:24.290000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-23T09:46:29.351000+08:00 |
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剛才委員提到的龍葵鹼，那是由衛福部負責，因為那是食安的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-23T09:46:29.351000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-23T09:46:35.693000+08:00 |
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在檢疫的部分，我們主要針對三樣：一個是進來的時候有沒有八種病蟲害。 |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-23T09:46:36.213000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-23T09:46:37.333000+08:00 |
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第二個是有沒有帶土。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-23T09:46:37.833000+08:00 |
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2026-04-23T09:46:40.634000+08:00 |
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第三個是有沒有發芽、發芽有沒有超過0.5公分，如果…… |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-23T09:46:41.654000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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2026-04-23T09:46:42.935000+08:00 |
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次長，我知道農業部有農業部的職責，衛福部也有衛福部的職責，就是我們要把自己的工作做好，國人擔心的是有毒物、擔心的是食安，為什麼只有美國可以，其他國家不行？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-23T09:46:42.935000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-23T09:46:43.935000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
現在只有美國…… |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-23T09:46:43.935000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-23T09:46:44.935000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
不是啦…… |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
顏委員寬恒 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-23T09:46:44.915000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-23T09:46:46.056000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
我們要做到滴水不漏，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
胡次長忠一 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-23T09:46:46.556000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-23T09:46:47.556000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-23T09:46:47.856000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-23T09:46:51.856000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
謝謝，我們結束顏寬恒委員的質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-23T09:46:52.156000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-23T09:46:54.727429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
接下來請吳秉叡委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0 |