| IVOD_ID |
168764 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168764 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T14:03:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T14:14:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f102a8a05407de39bdf38d440c98c629e7a03d87abdfaedbe31e55ec2f4bd2b2985ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊曜 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:03:01 - 14:14:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請環境部部長、國家科學及技術委員會、交通部、經濟部、內政部、農業部、衛生福利部、國家發展委員會就「我國氣候變遷調適現況檢討與全球調適目標接軌之推動情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部主管預算案。(公務及非營業特種基金預算案)
三、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款環境部主管部分預算。
四、審查環境部函送財團法人環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人115年度預算書案。
【預算案僅詢答，115年4月30日下午5時截止收案】
【專題報告及討論事項綜合詢答】
【4月22日及23日二天一次會】） |
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主席請一下彭部長有請彭部長姚委員好部長好部長我們大概今年開始要 |
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要繳交這個碳費那環境部跟經濟部大概已經審查完了224家廠商符合資格那這些通過合格的廠商其實他是可以取得碳費的優惠費率的 |
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那是不是還有一些廠商其實他是屬於高碳洩漏風險事業可是他並沒有完成 |
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或只是提出審查其實第一個是說報告委員因為所謂的高單洩漏的部分已經都全部審查完畢了那只有一個就是說有27個廠他是屬於他想要申請優惠費率優惠費率就是150然後他裡面的提的計畫書不夠完整我們要來改他後來自己自願退出或是說他自己本身覺得300塊他付得起他就直接交了所以有27個廠 |
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是有這樣的那至於說高碳洩漏的部分目前已經全部審查完畢了也都正式公告了給他們知道了所以那27家就是他不申請那不申請就沒有就不能獲得 |
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優惠的費率就是300塊這個也是企業自己去做決定不過我覺得站在環境部的立場應該還是加強溝通因為它假如是屬於高碳洩漏風險事業我們是預 |
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愈進愈增嘛我們收取碳費並不是最重要的重點怎麼讓他們能夠自主減量這個才是最核心的政策目標所以還是請部長這邊可以的話就27家嘛27家看到底問題在哪裡假如可以的話還是加強溝通好不好 |
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那2026年開始我們擴大溫室氣體排放量的盤查列管對象可能要納入服務業、運輸業、醫療機構、大專院校這個為什麼 |
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最主要這個是監察院給我們那個指教啦希望我們對於這個不是只有2.5萬噸以上的大概小一點點可能1萬噸以上的都要所以我們就訂了一些方案讓他們能夠來申報不過他們不用去盤查他不用花錢他只要把那個你的電費水費key進去大概就可以了電費key進去大概能源的使用它就是列管列管而已但是我們不會跟他們收 |
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沒有費用的收取目前沒有這是監察院的要求我請教一下部長這樣子的盤查列管到底 |
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真正的政策意義在哪裡他最主要是希望說每一家的業者他必須知道他雖然他沒有到2.5萬噸不用再碳費可是他也是屬於在社會裡面比較高碳排的單位所以他必須要去每年每年知道自己有多重就是要他我們的目標就是有點體重計在旁邊把他記錄下來那你每年每年每年量你就知道你該減了 |
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就是讓這一些被擴大列管的對象知道自己就是有一點警覺啦唯一的作用就是這樣子嘛對不對那這個看起來部裡面也不需要耗費太大的人力 |
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跟委員報告我們這一次去年公告就是要擴大盤查的對象大概總共加起來是四到五百家那我們其實同仁也有都逐一跟這些需要擴大盤查要申報的對象都有聯絡上 |
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那這個部分最主要是我們去簡化他申報盤查的這個作業跟程序但是讓他們知道他是只有列管還是還是還是列管他要申報譬如說像醫院來講我們只有要求醫學中心需要做這個盤查的申報那醫學中心畢竟他規模比較大 |
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所以我們去聯繫的結果這十幾家醫學中心也都可以如期來完成這個盤查跟申報也就是說不管他怎麼申報就是他只要沒有超過2.5萬噸也不是就是說跟委員報告就是因為這一些基本上都是用定高的這個這個住商的服務業的這一些行業 |
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那透過這個盤查他可以知道說他自己本身的這個譬如說用電用了多少那也可以幫助他們未來投入節電的工作我是這樣子就是說當然不是說監察院的意見不好只是說我覺得行政機關必須要有自己的 |
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在政策上的決定的能力跟勇氣就是說警察院他有很多報告可能他在做的時候他並不像你們那麼專業需不需要做 |
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他也不是你們的上級指導單位當然他有一些建議好的行政機關當然必須要有缺失的當然可能就是必須要改正嘛那假如說他是單純的建議行政機關並不一定要照單全收的 |
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部長我實現了關係所以我就把剩餘的問題一併讓部長做個答覆所以我們接下來溫室氣體管理基金 |
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會有每年像今年剛剛部長說大概預估會有45億那這一些錢的用途可能現在你也沒有辦法我剛剛聽到你們辦法也還沒出來 |
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主要的方向我可能也沒有那麼多時間可以讓你做回答我就直接講就是說因為現在有很多國際的知名企業像蘋果他已經開始要求他的供應商的商品必須要定期盤查商品必須要盤查量化設定檢探目標跟溫室氣體的排放數據然後我國中小企業其實很多 |
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那很多中小企業他可能連要怎麼做碳盤查怎麼計算碳排他都不知道我兩個問題好了就是說環境部要怎麼跟經濟部合作來輔導中小企業完成碳排的 |
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國際接軌的要求那另外一個就是以後這一筆基金投入福島這裡的 |
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可能性跟比例大概會多少好 謝謝委員其實第一個是上市櫃公司我們金管會就有要求他一定要做攤盤查那現在呢大概比較晚一點會做到範疇三現在只有範疇一跟範疇二那如果呢他是屬於要去跟國際做生意的例如說蘋果的供應鏈那也請委員放心都是大雖然是小型企業但是都是有規模也算是有賺錢 有本的啦 |
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所以我們不用擔心他們都必須要做而且提早佈局 超前佈局那可是 |
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以後假如範圍越來越大現在我舉的例子是蘋果以後會不會有一些供應廠商他並不像部長現在講的這麼大的公司也有可能他可能也是國際知名品牌的供應商可是他並不像我們現在概念上 |
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可能他上櫃或者是比上櫃小一點規模的公司可能也會有很多中小企業會面臨這個問題我現在是說環境部要怎麼去讓輔導這些其實第一個是說因為最近全世界受到包含戰爭還有川普總統的影響所以其實不瞞您說其實有一點慢下來 |
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所以要馬上要增加目前我們來看應該反而是慢慢很多人會往後退往後退那我們也觀察到這個現象所以我們會也提醒金管會要減碳目標不變但是最近不要逼得那麼緊所以我們是不是有一點調整的空間他們也同意那另外一個是企業的輔導其實我覺得如果說企業他單純 |
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只是做自己的減量自己做他不用花特別的錢去做碳盤查來我們這邊登錄我們開給他一個證明他至少有一個多少的量基本的就可以了因為多數的企業不是大排碳量他不需要花那麼多錢去做碳的盤查這個很花人力的所以我們是一步一步的來 |
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部長講得比較含蓄啦我大概知道因為川普的對氣候變遷的立場所以可能很多減碳的步調會慢下來這個也是事實啦不過可能也是 |
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慢歸慢他總是會來啦以後一定會做大型的公司在面臨總統政策的因應他總是比較快速而且他比較有能力所以管理基金的部分有關中小企業怎麼因應未來跟世界接軌你們在擬定辦法的時候本席是希望 |
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能夠放一些資源在這邊中小企業扶植的不好台灣的企業台灣的經濟很難成長 |