| IVOD_ID |
168764 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168764 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T14:03:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T14:14:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f102a8a05407de39bdf38d440c98c629e7a03d87abdfaedbe31e55ec2f4bd2b2985ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊曜 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:03:01 - 14:14:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請環境部部長、國家科學及技術委員會、交通部、經濟部、內政部、農業部、衛生福利部、國家發展委員會就「我國氣候變遷調適現況檢討與全球調適目標接軌之推動情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部主管預算案。(公務及非營業特種基金預算案)
三、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款環境部主管部分預算。
四、審查環境部函送財團法人環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人115年度預算書案。
【預算案僅詢答，115年4月30日下午5時截止收案】
【專題報告及討論事項綜合詢答】
【4月22日及23日二天一次會】） |
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主席請一下彭部長有請彭部長姚委員好部長好部長我們大概今年開始要 |
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要繳交這個碳費那環境部跟經濟部大概已經審查完了224家廠商符合資格那這些通過合格的廠商其實他是可以取得碳費的優惠費率的 |
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那是不是還有一些廠商其實他是屬於高碳洩漏風險事業可是他並沒有完成 |
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或只是提出審查其實第一個是說報告委員因為所謂的高單洩漏的部分已經都全部審查完畢了那只有一個就是說有27個廠他是屬於他想要申請優惠費率優惠費率就是150然後他裡面的提的計畫書不夠完整我們要來改他後來自己自願退出或是說他自己本身覺得300塊他付得起他就直接交了所以有27個廠 |
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是有這樣的那至於說高碳洩漏的部分目前已經全部審查完畢了也都正式公告了給他們知道了所以那27家就是他不申請那不申請就沒有就不能獲得 |
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優惠的費率就是300塊這個也是企業自己去做決定不過我覺得站在環境部的立場應該還是加強溝通因為它假如是屬於高碳洩漏風險事業我們是預 |
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愈進愈增嘛我們收取碳費並不是最重要的重點怎麼讓他們能夠自主減量這個才是最核心的政策目標所以還是請部長這邊可以的話就27家嘛27家看到底問題在哪裡假如可以的話還是加強溝通好不好 |
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那2026年開始我們擴大溫室氣體排放量的盤查列管對象可能要納入服務業、運輸業、醫療機構、大專院校這個為什麼 |
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最主要這個是監察院給我們那個指教啦希望我們對於這個不是只有2.5萬噸以上的大概小一點點可能1萬噸以上的都要所以我們就訂了一些方案讓他們能夠來申報不過他們不用去盤查他不用花錢他只要把那個你的電費水費key進去大概就可以了電費key進去大概能源的使用它就是列管列管而已但是我們不會跟他們收 |
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沒有費用的收取目前沒有這是監察院的要求我請教一下部長這樣子的盤查列管到底 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
223.894 |
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真正的政策意義在哪裡他最主要是希望說每一家的業者他必須知道他雖然他沒有到2.5萬噸不用再碳費可是他也是屬於在社會裡面比較高碳排的單位所以他必須要去每年每年知道自己有多重就是要他我們的目標就是有點體重計在旁邊把他記錄下來那你每年每年每年量你就知道你該減了 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
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267.056 |
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就是讓這一些被擴大列管的對象知道自己就是有一點警覺啦唯一的作用就是這樣子嘛對不對那這個看起來部裡面也不需要耗費太大的人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
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跟委員報告我們這一次去年公告就是要擴大盤查的對象大概總共加起來是四到五百家那我們其實同仁也有都逐一跟這些需要擴大盤查要申報的對象都有聯絡上 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
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那這個部分最主要是我們去簡化他申報盤查的這個作業跟程序但是讓他們知道他是只有列管還是還是還是列管他要申報譬如說像醫院來講我們只有要求醫學中心需要做這個盤查的申報那醫學中心畢竟他規模比較大 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
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309.746 |
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所以我們去聯繫的結果這十幾家醫學中心也都可以如期來完成這個盤查跟申報也就是說不管他怎麼申報就是他只要沒有超過2.5萬噸也不是就是說跟委員報告就是因為這一些基本上都是用定高的這個這個住商的服務業的這一些行業 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
329 |
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337.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
那透過這個盤查他可以知道說他自己本身的這個譬如說用電用了多少那也可以幫助他們未來投入節電的工作我是這樣子就是說當然不是說監察院的意見不好只是說我覺得行政機關必須要有自己的 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
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376.427 |
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在政策上的決定的能力跟勇氣就是說警察院他有很多報告可能他在做的時候他並不像你們那麼專業需不需要做 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
378.308 |
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396.376 |
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他也不是你們的上級指導單位當然他有一些建議好的行政機關當然必須要有缺失的當然可能就是必須要改正嘛那假如說他是單純的建議行政機關並不一定要照單全收的 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
398.769 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
413.17 |
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部長我實現了關係所以我就把剩餘的問題一併讓部長做個答覆所以我們接下來溫室氣體管理基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
414.231 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
427.708 |
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會有每年像今年剛剛部長說大概預估會有45億那這一些錢的用途可能現在你也沒有辦法我剛剛聽到你們辦法也還沒出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
434.255 |
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459.193 |
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主要的方向我可能也沒有那麼多時間可以讓你做回答我就直接講就是說因為現在有很多國際的知名企業像蘋果他已經開始要求他的供應商的商品必須要定期盤查商品必須要盤查量化設定檢探目標跟溫室氣體的排放數據然後我國中小企業其實很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
460.194 |
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484.552 |
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那很多中小企業他可能連要怎麼做碳盤查怎麼計算碳排他都不知道我兩個問題好了就是說環境部要怎麼跟經濟部合作來輔導中小企業完成碳排的 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
487.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
495.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
國際接軌的要求那另外一個就是以後這一筆基金投入福島這裡的 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
497.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
521.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
可能性跟比例大概會多少好 謝謝委員其實第一個是上市櫃公司我們金管會就有要求他一定要做攤盤查那現在呢大概比較晚一點會做到範疇三現在只有範疇一跟範疇二那如果呢他是屬於要去跟國際做生意的例如說蘋果的供應鏈那也請委員放心都是大雖然是小型企業但是都是有規模也算是有賺錢 有本的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
523.183 |
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530.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
所以我們不用擔心他們都必須要做而且提早佈局 超前佈局那可是 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
532.228 |
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553.338 |
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以後假如範圍越來越大現在我舉的例子是蘋果以後會不會有一些供應廠商他並不像部長現在講的這麼大的公司也有可能他可能也是國際知名品牌的供應商可是他並不像我們現在概念上 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
553.818 |
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579.335 |
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可能他上櫃或者是比上櫃小一點規模的公司可能也會有很多中小企業會面臨這個問題我現在是說環境部要怎麼去讓輔導這些其實第一個是說因為最近全世界受到包含戰爭還有川普總統的影響所以其實不瞞您說其實有一點慢下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
579.995 |
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600.028 |
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所以要馬上要增加目前我們來看應該反而是慢慢很多人會往後退往後退那我們也觀察到這個現象所以我們會也提醒金管會要減碳目標不變但是最近不要逼得那麼緊所以我們是不是有一點調整的空間他們也同意那另外一個是企業的輔導其實我覺得如果說企業他單純 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
601.089 |
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617.271 |
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只是做自己的減量自己做他不用花特別的錢去做碳盤查來我們這邊登錄我們開給他一個證明他至少有一個多少的量基本的就可以了因為多數的企業不是大排碳量他不需要花那麼多錢去做碳的盤查這個很花人力的所以我們是一步一步的來 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
620.274 |
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638.689 |
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部長講得比較含蓄啦我大概知道因為川普的對氣候變遷的立場所以可能很多減碳的步調會慢下來這個也是事實啦不過可能也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
640.956 |
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663.946 |
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慢歸慢他總是會來啦以後一定會做大型的公司在面臨總統政策的因應他總是比較快速而且他比較有能力所以管理基金的部分有關中小企業怎麼因應未來跟世界接軌你們在擬定辦法的時候本席是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
664.486 |
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668.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
能夠放一些資源在這邊中小企業扶植的不好台灣的企業台灣的經濟很難成長 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-04-22T14:03:08.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-04-22T14:03:08.155000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
謝謝主席。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-04-22T14:03:08.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-04-22T14:03:10.297000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
請彭部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-04-22T14:03:10.297000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-04-22T14:03:13.840000+08:00 |
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有請彭部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-04-22T14:03:14+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-04-22T14:03:14.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
楊委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-04-22T14:03:14.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-04-22T14:03:14.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
部長好。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-04-22T14:03:15.721000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-04-22T14:03:37.367000+08:00 |
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我們大概今年開始要繳交碳費，環境部跟經濟部已經審查了有224家廠商符合資格，對不對？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-04-22T14:03:37.367000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-04-22T14:03:40.688000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
自主減量計畫。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-04-22T14:03:40.688000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-04-22T14:03:47.671000+08:00 |
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這些合格的廠商其實是可以取得碳費優惠費率，是不是？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-04-22T14:03:52.272000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-04-22T14:04:02.686000+08:00 |
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是不是還有一些廠商，其實是屬於高碳洩漏風險事業，但並沒有完成或者提出審查？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-04-22T14:04:06.208000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-04-22T14:04:31.657000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
報告委員，所謂的高碳洩漏部分已經全部審查完畢，有27個廠想要申請優惠費率即100元、50元，然後因為它所提的計畫書不夠完整，我們要它改，它後來自願退出，或是說它自己本身覺得300塊付得起，就直接繳了，所以有27個廠有這樣的情形。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-04-22T14:04:32.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-04-22T14:04:38.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
至於說高碳洩漏的部分，目前已經全部審查完畢，也都正式公告給他們知道了。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-04-22T14:04:39.282000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-22T14:04:48.629000+08:00 |
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所以那27家就不申請，不申請就不能獲得優惠的費率，是不是這樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.808 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-22T14:04:49.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-22T14:04:51.072000+08:00 |
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就是300塊。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-22T14:04:51.072000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-22T14:05:33.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
這個也是企業自己去做決定，不過我覺得站在環境部的立場，還是應該加強溝通，假如他是屬於高碳洩漏風險事業，我們是寓禁於征嘛，收取碳費並不是最重要的重點，怎麼樣讓他們能夠自主減量，這個才是最核心的政策目標，所以還是請部長這邊，對這27家看看到底問題在哪裡，假如可以的話，還是加強溝通。 |
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0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-22T14:05:34.145000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-22T14:05:34.265000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-22T14:05:34.265000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-22T14:05:37.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
好，可以、可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-22T14:05:37.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-04-22T14:05:47.978000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
2026年開始，我們擴大溫室氣體排放量的盤查列管對象，可能要納入服務業、運輸業、醫療機構、大專院校，這是為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-22T14:05:53.055000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-22T14:06:17.895000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
最主要是監察院給我們指教，希望我們不是只有針對2.5萬噸以上的，大概小一點點的，可能1萬噸以上的都要，所以我們就訂了一些方案，讓他們能夠來申報，不過，他們不用去盤查、不用花錢，只要把電費key進去大概就可以了，大概能源的使用…… |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-22T14:06:18.736000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-22T14:06:19.577000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
就是列管…… |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-22T14:06:19.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-22T14:06:22.159000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
列管而已，但是我們不會跟他們收。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-22T14:06:22.759000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-22T14:06:24.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
沒有費用的收取？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-22T14:06:24.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-22T14:06:25.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
對，目前沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-22T14:06:28.042000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-22T14:06:31.403000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
這是監察院的要求？對。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-22T14:06:31.583000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-22T14:06:46.975000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
我請教一下部長，這樣的盤查列管到底真正的政策意義在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-22T14:06:47.195000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-22T14:07:07.667000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
最主要是希望每一家業者必須知道，雖然它沒有到2.5萬噸不用繳碳費，可是它也是屬於社會裡面比較高碳排的單位，所以它必須每年知道自己有多重，我們的目標就是有一點放體重計在它旁邊的意思，讓其記錄下來，因為它每年都要去量，就會知道自己該減量了。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.796 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-22T14:07:09.548000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-22T14:07:18.612000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
就是讓這些被擴大列管的對象自己能有一點警覺啦！對。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-22T14:07:20.013000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-22T14:07:22.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
唯一的作用就是這樣子，對不對？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-22T14:07:23.855000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-22T14:07:28.036000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
這個看起來部裡面也不需要耗費太大的人力。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
蔡署長玲儀 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-22T14:07:30.185000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-22T14:07:53.317000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
跟委員報告，我們去年公告擴大盤查的對象，加起來總共有四到五百家，我們同仁也都逐一跟這些需要擴大盤查、要申報的對象都有聯絡上，這個部分最主要是我們去簡化它申報盤查的作業跟程序，但是讓他們知道…… |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-22T14:07:53.537000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-22T14:07:57.079000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
它是只有列管還是有其他的？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
蔡署長玲儀 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-22T14:07:57.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-22T14:08:08.084000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
它要申報，像醫院來講，我們只有要求醫學中心需要做盤查的申報，畢竟醫學中心的規模比較大，所以我們去聯繫的結果，這十幾家醫學中心也都可以如期來完成盤查跟申報。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-22T14:08:08.084000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-22T14:08:09.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
也就是說，不管它怎麼申報，只要沒有超過2.5萬噸…… |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
蔡署長玲儀 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-22T14:08:09.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-22T14:08:37.425000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
也不是，跟委員報告，因為這一些基本上都是用電較高的住商服務業等等行業，透過這個盤查，譬如說它可以知道自己本身用電用了多少，同時也可以幫助他們未來投入節電的工作。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-22T14:08:37.445000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-22T14:09:17.407000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
好，我是認為，當然不是說監察院的意見不好，只是我覺得行政機關自己必須要有政策決定的能力跟勇氣，也就是說，監察院有很多的報告可能在製作的時候，並不像你們那麼專業，需不需要照著做？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-22T14:09:19.468000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-22T14:09:21.569000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
它也不是你們的上級指導單位。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-22T14:09:22.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-22T14:09:37.136000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
當然它有一些建議若是好的，行政機關……若有缺失的，當然行政機關可能就必須改正，假如是單純的建議，行政機關並不一定要照單全收。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.855 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-22T14:09:39.769000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-22T14:09:48.101000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
部長，時間的關係，我就把剩餘的問題一併讓部長做個答復。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-22T14:09:49.363000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-22T14:10:02.541000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
我們接下來的溫室氣體管理基金，像剛剛部長說的，大概預估會有45億，對不對？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-22T14:10:02.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-22T14:10:08.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
關於這一些錢的用途，我剛剛聽到你們說相關辦法也還沒出來，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.724 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-22T14:10:08.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-22T14:10:15.255000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
補助的辦法還沒出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-22T14:10:15.255000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-22T14:10:20.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
所以主要的方向，我可能也沒有那麼多時間讓你來回答。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-22T14:10:21.119000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-22T14:10:37.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
我就直接講，因為現在有很多國際知名企業，像蘋果已經開始要求它的供應商的商品必須要定期盤查，商品必須要盤查、量化、設定減碳目標跟溫室氣體的排放數據。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-22T14:10:38.572000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-22T14:10:49.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
我國中小企業很多，但很多中小企業可能連要怎麼做碳盤查、怎麼計算碳排都不知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-22T14:10:52.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-22T14:11:09.543000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
我有兩個問題，首先，環境部要怎麼跟經濟部合作來輔導中小企業完成碳排國際接軌的要求？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-22T14:11:10.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-22T14:11:20.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
另外，以後這一筆基金投入輔導這部分的可能性跟比例大概會是多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.828 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-22T14:11:21.959000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-22T14:11:31.621000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
謝謝委員，其實第一個是上市櫃公司，金管會有要求他們一定要做碳盤查，比較晚一點會做到範疇三，現在只有做到範疇一跟範疇二。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-22T14:11:32.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-22T14:11:42.463000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
如果它是屬於要去跟國際做生意的，例如說蘋果的供應鏈，也請委員放心，雖然是小型企業，但都是有一定的規模，有賺錢、有本的啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-22T14:11:42.463000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-22T14:11:44.604000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
沒有想像中那麼小啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-22T14:11:44.604000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-22T14:11:49.330000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
我們不用擔心，他們都必須要做，而且提早布局、超前布局。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-22T14:11:51.392000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-22T14:12:06.394000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
好，可是以後假如範圍越來越大，現在我舉的例子是蘋果，以後會不會有一些供應廠商並不像部長現在講的是這麼大型的公司，那也是有可能啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.898 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-22T14:12:07.415000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-22T14:12:28.227000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
它可能也是國際知名品牌的供應商，可是並不像我們現在概念上可能有上櫃或者是比上櫃小一點規模的公司，可能也有很多中小企業會面臨這個問題，我現在是說環境部要怎麼去輔導這些企業？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-22T14:12:30.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-22T14:12:56.866000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
第一個，因為最近全世界受到包含戰爭還有川普總統的影響，不瞞您說，其實速度有一點慢下來，若馬上要增加，就我們來看，反而是慢慢的，很多人會往後退，我們也觀察到這個現象，所以我們也提醒金管會要減碳，目標不變，但最近不要逼得那麼緊，是不是要有一點調整的空間，而他們也同意了。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-22T14:12:57.426000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-22T14:13:18.271000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
另外一個是企業的輔導，其實我覺得如果企業單純只是自己做自己的減量，它不用花特別的錢去做碳盤查，就是來我們這邊登錄，我們開給它一個證明，它至少有一個多少的量、符合基本就可以了，因為多數的企業不是大排碳量，不需要花那麼多錢去做碳盤查，這是很花人力的，所以我們是一步一步地來。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.911 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-22T14:13:21.274000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-22T14:13:39.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
好，部長講得比較含蓄，我大概知道因為川普對氣候變遷的立場，所以可能很多減碳的步調會慢下來，這個也是事實啦！是。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-22T14:13:41.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-22T14:13:43.637000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
慢歸慢，但總是會來！ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-22T14:13:43.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-22T14:13:45.177000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
以後一定會做。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-22T14:13:45.558000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-22T14:14:07.508000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
大型公司在面臨種種政策的因應上，反應總是比較快速，而且它比較有能力，所以管理基金的部分，有關中小企業如何來因應未來跟世界接軌，你們在擬定辦法的時候，本席是希望能夠放一些資源在這邊。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.892 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-22T14:14:07.508000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-22T14:14:08.508000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
好，沒問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-22T14:14:07.508000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-22T14:14:09.409000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
中小企業扶植得不好，臺灣的企業、臺灣的經濟很難成長。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-22T14:14:09.909000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-22T14:14:11.337571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
謝謝彭部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-22T14:14:11.637571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-22T14:14:12.780429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
謝謝主席。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-22T14:14:13.080429+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-22T14:14:14.223286+08:00 |
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謝謝委員。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-22T14:14:14.523286+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-22T14:14:16.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
謝謝楊曜委員發言。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-22T14:14:17.109000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-22T14:14:19.966143+08:00 |
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接下來請陳瑩委員發言。 |
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0 |