| IVOD_ID |
168753 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168753 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T12:19:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T12:28:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f1cbc1d79b010f2d8963812774c6aab6af5c95c54bff74e416f6bc0ca9412fb4e05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
劉建國 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:19:10 - 12:28:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款經濟部主管部分預算。
(以上二案僅詢答)
【4月22日及23日二天一次會】） |
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請劉建國委員質詢好 謝主席有請部長有請幹部長還有台電的曾董事長台電曾董事長部長你看每一戰爭的衝突每一戰爭的衝突會持續多久大約你的觀察 |
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這個我再猜應該是不會我個人啦這個是我個人因為不會太久因為美國選舉快到了好不會太久到底是到底是多久你猜嘛我尊重部長的用猜的方式是在三個月在半年在一年大約啦大約你猜應該是不會那麼久啦你猜是多久我猜是你怎麼看董事長 |
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你們兩個套好了你猜的是你猜的為什麼要看董事長還是董事長提供猜的日期給你 |
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因為對我們來講我們還是把事情準備好比較正常沒有錯沒有錯但是總是你有講說你猜嘛大致上所以我是請教你的對事情的觀察我們就做好萬全的準備啦比如說我們先看到把所有的事情六月跟七月的事情做好你是一個做事情非常積極然後也非常會做事的一個部長所以你覺得萬全準備沒有問題 |
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但是我只是請教你說你猜大約會多少因為是剛剛你回應我嘛但是你看了曾董事長之後你就不猜了 |
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這是曾董事長在干擾你 還是怎麼樣沒有 報告委員 因為我們現在準備都是比如說現在3月份的時候我們都看到6月份我們先把它準備好那再過一個月我們就一直往下準備這樣子好啦 沒關係 部長就看了董事長之後就已經回應我的方式就已經有改變了齁那我等一下就好好再請教曾董事長齁 |
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每一兩週的停火協議即將在台灣時間4月23號的早上8點對不對然後一週到齊了啦這也不用猜嘛然後也就是說明天早上川普已經也直接表態停火協議不可能延期那甚至兩年除非伊朗乖乖簽字或者這個赫姆茲海峽會繼續封鎖甚至不排除再度風炸這是即時的一個新聞嘛 |
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然後在此同時 伊朗方面也持續釋出更強硬的訊號他們的國會議長卡利巴夫稱伊朗已經做好在戰場上的準備也亮出了這個一個新底牌好 那我想我是要提醒部長當初在2022年的這個烏俄戰爭原本是說閃電 閃電戰結果他一閃 從2022閃到現在還沒有閃完 |
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所以部長原本猜後來不猜我覺得我也能夠理解了這部長有也很難有了因為你也不是川普總統的經濟部長董事長即便你們是你們也會猜不到了 |
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所以攀油啊 攀油你怎麼去面對我們就是要做 剛剛秦副部長所講的就要做萬全的準備 這個我接受所以現在經濟部跟台電面對每一衝突 赫普之海只要封鎖要實施短期調度 賣電了 賣了電廠那你的短期要作為這個多元備援方案分散天然氣供應風險強化這整個電力嘛 對不對 |
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那我就是要請教部長跟曾董事長嘛你所謂的短期三個月就5、6、7嘛對不對好那5、6、7未來會不會8、9、10未來會不會10、11、12現在沒有這樣的規劃沒有這樣的規劃所以就5、6、7那一天我有詢問市長嘛處長沒有這樣的規劃就是到5、6、7嘛好5、6、7就截止了 |
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就5、6、7就截止短期嘛短期就5、6、7嘛5、6、7之後就不會再動了跟台電的合約台塑的合約對就是所以不會再簽下去了目前就是5、6、7目前5、6、7嘛會不會再延嘛 |
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目前沒有這樣的規劃除非戰爭真的又變激烈就像烏克戰爭這樣嘛對不對閃電變成一閃四年嘛那你會不會對於賣電的整個調動的電力請到這個衝擊之後又像烏克戰爭這樣 |
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一年 延到四年不會你怎麼會不會那時候你不明是經濟部長啊你或許是行政院的院長啊你或許是中華民國的下任總統啊 |
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怎麼不會你用猜的還是你未卜先知我們跟他合約是有一個那個他有那個你剛剛合約就是短期的五六七嘛那你的合約你因應每一戰爭的情況之下你要完全準備之後你會不會八九十嘛不會那你就馬上跟答我我說不會 |
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對 因為操作許可是到2027年嘛所以他就不能 即便是我們要也不行操作許可是到2027 即便是要也不行但是你的5、6、72027不到 這個8、9、10不到2027啊對不對 11、12也不到2027啊所以你的短期不叫做三個月啊你的短期 你猜 |
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可能會再多增加一劑你猜可能又會再多增加一劑那為什麼叫短期報告委員因為戰爭一開發一發生的時候我們當然要做多元的韌性的調度跟準備但是過了三個月以後我想我們又比較有時間可以做比較充分的調度 |
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那也不一定要用到這個...戰爭開打也不是現在這個時間啦齁然後他也有挺我的這樣的一個協議然後照理講在協議過程裡面我那天有特別拜託處長趕快跟你們回報快速的去盤整不要再想到已經整個停機的賣1跟賣3嘛不要再想到那個地方而且部長你自己講的咧賣了機組重啟將減少台中電廠用煤我們運營人的睡覺比較少 |
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所以台中降載那雲林再來徵用麥一跟麥三來用煤發電你覺得對於雲林的人這樣交代的過去嗎不是我們是承諾這你講的啊這你講的啊降低中火用煤量啊所以在中火降低用煤量對於雲林就是要增加用煤量嘛基本上邏輯就這樣這不正常這不用猜嘛 |
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我是要跟補充說補充你處理工序處理事情的延期和應變的領域其實我都很敬佩但是這種的思維模式是不對的它原本是賣一二三二就已經拆掉了剩下一三這個地方到二六二七就結束了嘛對不對好 為什麼還去徵用這個地方根本 |
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不需要做這種事情全國的這個發電廠基本上裡面都可以去做盤整去做調度你為什麼唯獨要去思考到這個地方而且過去過去這一個電廠是最糟糕的過去還在燒什麼石油膠這個石油膠當時民進黨之爭之後結果馬上把它廢止掉了沒了是不是說話了呢 |
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所以現在沒有 燒完之後還必須要整理五公告才禁止燃燒石油膠來作為能源的使用對 現在已經禁止了你過去了 石油膠連印度金融也用的東西一起自來位然後我們持續在燒不修法 還是持續啊那為什麼還要重蹈覆轍 還要糾起 |
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這個地方過去的痛苦那完全是因為戰爭的發生所以我們要讓台中的戰爭不變就對了繼續來修明這邏輯怎麼說的過去 但是你又說得好真的這門也有 邏輯上不通啦邏輯上不通 主席你站上來了 我拜託你你跟董事長都是一個很會做事 然後做人也做好的人拜託一下 你如果這麼好你不要對我們香港人不好 這樣好不好 |
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這可以休,這不休息,一瓶就降災,一瓶你還要休起來,你就是對我們分量不好啊沒有,這個還是要感謝雲林啦謝謝啦,謝謝你的感謝,感謝就是不要再想賣一跟賣三我堅決反對到底,拜託部長,拜託政統,謝謝,謝謝主席,謝謝 |